Skiing with Legends and the White Pass Turn
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2023
- Franz Klammer, Tamara Mckinney, Phil and Steve Mahre, Ken Reed, Franz Weber and Deb Armstrong have a fun ski day. Phil and Steve discuss the White Pass turn in Taos at the World Pro Ski Tour
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What a wonderful video. Seeing Phil an Steve Mahre reminded me of my big light bulb moment in terms of skiing technique. I am Austrian, I first stood on skis, when I was 3 years old, broke my leg at age 5, like you're supposed to do, and then became a pretty decent skier, taking all of the courses up to the expert level. But skiing always seemed to feel sort of hard work still, although I was able to ski on all slopes and under full control. That was until I was at the World Cup Finals in Saalbach in 1980, at age 14, and it was not the races, which changed my world. At that event, I watched the Mahre twins numerous times just skiing freely with no gates down the slope, on which the Giant Slalom was to be held later in the week. I must have watched them going down the entire track about 5 or 6 times, and suddenly something clicked and told me "That's how you are supposed to do it". From that moment on, my skiing changed completely and was taken to a different level. Nothing felt forced anymore, everything was just smooth effortless motion. It was all about how they finished every turn still on the edges, something which carving skis obviously have made a lot easier since then. But at that time, it was mind-boggling to see it and then to be able to reproduce it. Now, if only I could have a similar experience with my golf swing. 😂
Thanks Debbie. I doubt anyone but you could have gotten so many legends together in one place; that includes you of course. Thanks! I will have to view this one over and over.
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As a functional skier (safe and can go everywhere but not pretty or stylish) watching champions and other elite skiers turn is pure artistry.
Imagine being on the mountain with these legends and not even know it.
Wow! What video! In my childhood, everyone wants to be Franz Klammer... he is my idol. Also a joy to see the Mahre brothers, Ken Reed and the others. The days of my childhood when I would look forward to the race weekend to see all these big names in skiing. Some of my childhood heroes. Thanks Deb, for bringing back those days!
Taos rocks as it is. Add a handful of Alpine legends and Taos way rocks! Great video and thank you.
Deb. I love this video listening to everyone!! The positive energy from all of you and especially on narrow skis where turns are everything! 😊
How much fun!!! Thanks for sharing 🙏
Elegant turns, my goal.
Great interview Deb. You're the best at interviewing these greats.
Your videos are so much fun to watch - thank you. When I was young, watching these legends (including yourself) attack a hill was something to remember! Those cowbells jangling on the Saturday afternoon broadcast of the Wide World of Sports! And to see everyone still doing it is a testament to what a great sport it is!
All are legends and admired people for their persistence of skiing.
I grew up watching all these skiers! Loved it.
Wow what a crew! Great content and inspiration for all of us.
I ski 100mm plus skis most days in Whistler but everyone should own a 70mm ish carver and take some lessons learning to really learn how to carve. The high edge angles, the energy the feedback is not just addititive its great for your skiing and skill development. That and once you get good on a real piste ski or race ski it forever changes how you ski for the better!
This was great. I really enjoyed Franz Klammer and Phil and Steve.
Deb, this is a fantastic video. Really enjoyed comments by all, particularly the Mahre brothers. Thanks!!
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Wow! I love this, Deb! I see a bunch of skiing role models here. I’m going to watch this many times.
I love learning more about the history of
The “white pass turn” as I’ve been forced to do them many times. 😂
Hey Deb,
Amazing, I wish I was there with you all…
Thank you 💯
Phil and Steve are so nice and so fun, with endless amazing stories. I'll be at their masters camp on Hood this summer! They give super intuitive advice, last summer I finally started to understand what it feels like to dynamically drive a ski through the turn (a combination of their feedback and your videos). They had nothing but nice things to say when I mentioned you. Thanks for continuing to inspire!
OMG - you are all so beautiful with your synchronization. Thank you for sharing!
Wow !! What a treat, Debbie watching the great Franz klammer inspired me all those years ago ! Watching him in the 1976 Olympic games in Innsbruck! & Now I am a qualified level 2 Canadian ski instructor & that whole love affair started in skiing with watching Franz !! Love your channel Debbie !!!
What a great video. My brush with greatness was in 81 or 82 skiing moguls at Bear Mountain Killington Vermont when it was the US Ski Team training ground. I was 15-16 , varsity ski team and I thought I could ski. My friend and I were slamming the moguls as hard as we could when Phil and Steve skied past us like we were standing still. I'm still a good skier, but those guys (and the others in the video and especially Deb) are amazing. Pay attention to what they say and how they ski.
That was fun to watch! Thanks for creating and posting this!
Really enjoy your content Deb! thank you so much I have learned so much from you!
Way back in the day when Phil and Steve were skiing on K2 Race skis I had the good fortune to attend a K2 Dealer Demo that they attended. They were absolutely down to earth friendly and spent time skiing with us. Needless to say these guys something to watch. Skiing with them is one of my favorite experiences of working in the ski industry over the last 45 years.
Great video! Loved hearing from Phil and Steve. Two of the very best. Thanks Deb😍
Fun video, thank you Deb. You all were my hero’s, great to see you all turning together. Cheers
Loving this so much! Still skiing 68 underfoot and at White Pass! Thanks for all the inspiration from every single one of you Legends.
Wow! All the greats I grew up watching skiing our gem of a mountain... What a treat! Thanks Deb!
Love the synchronized short turns… so fun to watch, and a heck of a work out to do!
"This isn't retro day" spot on, it looks a soul day of skiing generously and humoursly shared by skiing's luminaries, ski on, ski on 🌄
That is so great!!!!!
The White Pass turn was an exam task at one point; and here they are saying that nobody needs it in their bag of tricks. I love it!!!!
I love how their takeaway is that it was a mistake; meanwhile, coaches today are using it to teach early inclination at the top of the arc.
Keep up the great content Deb!
Thank you.
This is awesome!! I grew up skiing at White Pass! I would occasionally see Phil and/or Steve there. I could never catch them though ;)
Love your videos!!
So many of my childhood heroes 😊
As someone who grew up in Phil and Steve’s hometown and started ski at White Pass. This is so cool to see. To see all of those legends together sharing their thoughts is special. Ironically I’ll be up at white pass today! Thanks for what you do Deb!
Deb, thank you so much to give us access to those guys, such a pleasure!
Thank you Debbie for getting me the interview with Franz. Great video. You are so much fun. So sad I did not get to share my home resort with you on my race skis...edit... On my all mountain skis tuned and ready to cruise all the chute's off Kachina and the West Ridge.❤
Awesome, Franz is a machine!
so agree with Phil...get over the boot and on the shin...sitting back destroys knees
Totally agree with Steve, always in search of that perfect turn...it keeps me coming back too! Also, I was coached by the great, "Blitz from Kitz" at Summer Ski Camps at Red Lodge. Andrel Molterer was a great Coach back in the day!
Thank you. What an amazing lineup. All I was saying about fore and aft is when things get steep, hip has to go forward. This builds the stepping stone down the hill. Ps, they absolutely do ski on Mars.
Loving this little Washington reunion!
Fun video Deb. Thanks!
Watching the skill and agility shown, especially the micro-turns at 3:48 and close calls at 0:45 and 4:20, it is obvious that the skis are an integral extension of body and mind to these experts. To mere mortals such as myself, skis are still felt to be a foreign attachment snapped to the feet.
Just WOW... Absolute GOLD...I feel like I've gone to ski heaven...Thank you, Deb! :)
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I can't even explain to you how awesome this was to watch. Thank you so much for the content!
Still skiing after all these years, being a PNSA racer in the 70’s, I thoroughly loved this….could relate on so many levels!
Thanks so much for putting that together and sharing it with us!
Love, love, love this. Could watch you guys ski all day, beautiful.
Absolutely fabulous. The talent and knowledge in that group in incomprehensible. Thank you.
Thanks Deb! It is so much fun to watch each of you!
Love it! This video made my Friday night! So many legends on the hill together! How fun! Thanks for sharing 🙏
Must have been fun for you, as it was fun for me just watching all of you still enjoying skiing together! Than k you!
Wow Deb! You did it again. I love the questions you ask. I love the folks that you give us access to! You make it so fun, and so educational at the same time! I really loved your syncro turns as well as all the technical discussion. "skiing is turning!" ..... so many quotable quotes.
So cool to see the generations and different approaches.
My favorite thing as a younger skier, 30 years old, 8 seasons across 17 years(took a break during and after college bc skiing is expensive for a college kid)
is high speed carving. Big wall to wall carves, I ride a stiff wider skis with a 21m radius, and it's my favorite thing to do on the mountain.
Phil! Steve! Franz (2), Reed, Tamara and DEB!! OMG! The mountain didn't stand a chance. River and Liggity missed a party.
What a great reunion... 10 thumbs up!
loved loved loved this episode - thank you - such wonderful people, let alone great skiers - ausgezeichnet
An Amazing group of Talent, Experience and most certainly Energy. Thanks Deb for sharing
Great point Deb. Glad you posted this. I always tell my student to always move forward into your turn. Not lean forward into your turn. Using the running as a metaphor does help the athlete inclined. Many students actually do the opposite out fear.
Wow, so much fun, Amazing Amazing! Thank you Deb!
Great video, happy to see these legends still skiing and knowing they are still seeking the perfect turn. I so agree about carving your turns! It's the reason to put the skis on. Tip and Rip! Thanks!
Legends!
What a great, ripping reel!
love watching steve and phil ski.
My heroes! ❤ Smiled through that entire video. Wedlen. 😊
Oh my! Want an AWESOME group! I still have to do the White Pass for my L3! I guess it’s all about versatility! Thank you so much for all these!
Love it Deb! This one’s a gem.
What a great video! I just love to listen to these legends talking about not making perfect turns.....although I guess the rest of us would think they looked amazing!
What a badass video. I’d love to witness a bunch of legends in their late 50’s, no helmets, 60 underfoot, come ripping down the mountain. Try that on your 110’s park kids!
Thank you Deb!!
This is great to see so many of the icons who got me interested in skiing all in one place!
I sometimes practice "White Pass" turns on gentle terrain even if they were a mistake or something we don't need in our "bag of tricks" as Steve says. I like them because the new "inside" leg has to be fully engaged at the start of the turn and there has to be ankle flexion and shin/tongue engagement for them to work. Also the center of mass has to move down the hill and over the base of support - something so often emphasized in videos here. With so much focus in skiing and coaching on the new "outside" leg and ski, it's nice to sometimes focus on the other side too.
That was fun, thanks
Great to see Phil and Steve with Deb!!! I've been to Phil and Steve's 3 day camp three times (this year at Whitefish). If you haven't been - GO! ...interested in skiing with Deb.
Love this so much! 🎉
Thanks Steve. "Learn the turn"
Nothin better than feeling the ski "load" under ya then the rebound
Great videos… Deb !
Carving is fun!
Wow Debs, that's one hell of a crew to go skiing with! No-one going to be holding you up in that group. Hope you had fun.
White pass turns were my biggest stumbling block when I was going for my PSIA lv3. So glad that these legends think so highly of them. 🙄
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Sorry!!!!!
SAME!!! I am not good at White Pass turns. Does PSIA know that the Mahre's think its unnecessary to practice them? That would make me happy. 🤪
@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong Appreciate it, but if I'm being honest I still learned about my skiing from having to do those tasks. So not all bad.
Your videos are very fun. I live in Colorado and have skied Vail and Breckenridge extensively - but I prefer skiing at Taos. I love my Stockli skis I got from Alain Veth.
Thanks Deb! Good to hear the low down on the "White Pass turn." It's in the progression at my ski school to get the inside ski edging to happen earlier. I could see it as a step towards one ski skiing, but could be about as useless as putting training wheels on a bicycle.😊
Absolute LEGENDS!!
Love that the Mahre’s do/think of SUCKY turns too😂. Dream Team Video of legends yet Deb Armstrong still my favorite! ⛷️ Thanks❤
So beautiful.
I love this video! I especially like the White Pass Turn story. I always thought it must have been done by accident. I was right. I still think practicing it has great benefits. Thanks Deb!
One ski skiing, and White Pass turns have great value on our current generation of skis. It teaches inside ski awareness and control, which is critical to maintain edge angle similarity.
@@shooter7a Agree. Making the old outside ski the new inside ski before weight transfer allows you to ski a slightly shorter distance (the new inside ski is closer to the gate/pole than new outside ski) , i.e., ski faster. Also, turn transition becomes seamless.
@@KenpoOjoko I raced in the late 80s and early 90s...then stopped skiing by about 95. I started again last spring after 27 YEARS of not skiing. It is a very unique perspective to have skied at a high level on old technology skis....stopped for a long time, and started again. Coming from the 80s...I had "dumb" inside legs. I just had no feel for edge angle control for the inside leg. One ski drills have really improved my edge similarity, and transition speed as you note.
@@shooter7a Interesting. I, too, restarted skiing in 2015 after 12-year hiatus. In the 80s and 90s, I tried not to put weight on my inside ski because I couldn't trust it. But, with the shaped skis, I can engage the inside ski edge in the early part of the turn ("upside down" before the skis point to the fall line) so that the edge hold. As a result, I can do smoother turn transitions. I couldn't do that with old straight skis. :)
Hi Deb, your videos are always wonderful, and this one is a gem. Truly an incredible collection of Legends.
You make an art of giving your students what they need at the moment, and not overloading them. It is so heartwarming to see the little one incorporated so organically into presentations, hope for the future. You have an incredible eye: “No, that is not a subtle move!” You perform a valuable service to the skiing public, and I recommend your videos constantly.
I did not ever meet Franz, but did make a trip to the Tyrolian Alps with his agent Peter to study the old barn houses (1000-1500 yrs) and develop an architectural vocabulary for expression in their contribution to Mountain Village. According to locals, his skiing was jaw dropping.
The Mahre brothers inspired a generation of youth to become better skiers. As a drill, the White Pass turn helps me focus on moving fore/aft balance from the middle of the ski at the end of the turn to the front of the ski at the start of the turn, the little retraction necessary to transition. And it may help eliminate pop.
Tamara is so smooth and energetic. “Lazy” LOL.
The inter-generational difference between Franz and Bode is astounding. Really beautiful, both of them.
Steamboat has plenty of hometown legends. 50ish years ago my wife rented a room from a widow that eventually donated a park to the town to formalize a path for kids to get to school. She was active in the LRC, Ladies Recreation Club, which was, for 100 years, the social outlet for some of the oldest names in town. The Pioneer Museum is a treasure.
Steamboat is also home to a PSIA Demo team member (cross country) who, if you have not already crossed paths, I think you would enjoy.
Thank you for this skip down memory lane. It is refreshing, encouraging, to see that Legends can dial it back and enjoy sport as sport, and not just hang it up. All the best to you.
Thank you!!!!!
White Pass turn around is when the sign says "CHAINS REQUIRED past this point." I been working on the back thing a lot.
super cool one! i am inspired to ski a narrow ski. taos looks fun, not the usual mega resort experience. hey, theyre forecasting lift service turns early next month, nov.23. ive forgotten so much skiing this summer, maybe you can do a simple drill video to help us find our balance?
Deb! Oh my gosh! Wow! Incredible group. You just brought me back to 1983 when I was a chef at the Lodge at Vail watching these guys during the worlds. I think I remember an interview with Tamara where she said that she was looking forward to the day when she didn't have to carve every turn. It's ironic that Franz made the comment that it looked like she was lazy.
What I would have done to ski with or behind this group of Legends. Franz says I like to make the small turns like the old days wedeling. Deb... One of these days... I dream of skiing with you. By the way, conditions looked awesome.
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Amazing video, fascinating listening to all these legends!
So glad to hear you and Franz favouring the narrower skis. Deb can I ask what your opinion is on recreational skis with raceplates on them? Quite a few manufacturers are making what they say are "world cup construction" skis fitted with raceplates but with recreational sidecuts. Are they ok for advanced to expert skiers who want to push themselves or should they be reserved for skiers with top notch technique already? Thanks!
great video! 🎥 really like it
Such fun watching that group ski together! Thanks for validating what I was thinking whenever doing white pass turns in a PSIA clinic: why the heck are we doing these?:)
Gotta love the "stupid human tricks"
My go to ski every day under a 30cm powday is the Head e-race 68mm underfoot. I must be a legend too.
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Thanks!!
Awesome Deb, thank you for letting Chris Hill-Mazda and I hang with you Legends! Til next year or next WPST event
Loved it!!!!
Really appreciate the access you have (and share) to elite level people and their mindsets. Nice whoa save by Ken around 4:20 ish .... I thought he was going to stuff it into that sign but he made it look easy hahaha
Also love the 'how bout that' hah so sassy ... looks like a great fun day.
Thanks for sharing the joy of skiing, it's so apparent in all your content.
Oh my gosh .. did those folks on the deck have ANY idea how many medals and podiums they were in the presence of? I agree with Ken Reed that short turns ARE work .. 😉 .. and Phil still totally works ski to ski, completely picking up his inside ski. Actually, you all probably do but that one sequence behind him was so textbook to watch.
I normally ski so differently from everyone in this video making big turns on tall and wide skis but would like to try a more traditional ski one day
Deb, can you pls explain the counter, how much and when. I noticed it can be used to control speed- less counter=more speed on the curving arc, more counter= better grip edge but less speed
Wow - an episode of ALL-STARS! Did I have a Deb sighting in Steamboat about two weeks ago?
Maybe??
Thanks-“Something nobody should have to learn”-!