Even a shield could not save him - Chivalry 2
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
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I will be uploading daily, this is video number 51.
Kinda edited by Sam Fisher: / souldude69
Music: Map Screen - Waterworld SNES
I'm happy to know I'm the wasted archer slot, cause I can't hit anything and I get way to close to melee units. This is probably why Skirmisher is my favorite Archer class.
Me too man, I suck at bows too. It is really bad, I know that feeling.
Godspeed brother we can only hope all of you can be horrible shots XD
Wild how someone would pay 30 dollars for a extremely complex melee game just to play the one class who's whole gimmick is that it does not have to fight.
💯
Archer is fun at first... kinda loses its luster because it's so easy but it's enjoyable sometimes to be in the backlines supporting your team, and Skirmisher is a lot of fun if you can handle being very glassy
Archer is fun though. Headshots are satisfying and so is going for other archers
@@ExOTiC1234 if most of what you did was headshot other archers i wouldn't complain
Kinda like Spitfire campers in Titanfall 2, a game with one of the most fast paced and fun movements systems in a game, yet some people would rather sit in a corner and let a weapon with busted damage and aim assist do all the work for them.
Oh no this 5000h veteran forgot he could counter arrows, if only he did so he would’ve had no problem during this match. I read on Reddit that countering archer is very easy so n’est time be sure to do so ziggy!
I think with the newest update the cavalry is a very strong counter to archers. They should add cav charges to maps with large open areas of long sight lines where archers are a little too good. Personally im really enjoying the horses they added and they dont feel super broken either, the controls for them feel very Mount and Blade but once you get used to it theyre not bad at all
A lot of people don't realize that pulling the horse to a stop at sprint will "drift" it. It allows you to turn on a dime and keep your speed
Archers too good?
I thought people hated them since they are inefficient and killed "randomly"
There was a guy named Kevin lvl 300+ in the Asia server who only kills archer, and he uses the highland sword. No other target, just the archers.
My hero
Archers in small lobbies can be cancer sometimes but overall they aren't that bad especially after the crossbow nerf
I agree with the the one minute timer, because HOLY FUCK; the amount of times I'm just dropped dead because some asshole from 75m away plucked me in the head with a longbow, I gotta sit there and potentially wait 12 seconds for the wave spawn to happen in 32 v 32, and sometimes, EVEN SOMETIMES; the fucking timer will go up, so I have to wait even longer. Like Chiv 1 archers to me weren't awful to deal with, but good grief are they ever annoying and just straight up unbalanced in Chiv 2. Who the hell thought it would be fair for a class to one, two, or three shot you without any danger? If you're going to make them be on the same respawn timer, give them 50HP so they just fucking die in one hit like they can do to others.
Fun playing with you ziggy. Even after watching all your videos on how to play better, it was still shocking how easily you kicked my teeth in.
You'll get there, keep your chin up and keep practicing and you'll one day be able to smack me down. Just like I have done to the good players that came before me.
Meanwhile I can barely beat a peasant. I'm fucking garbage.
@@nilakalis854 *we*
@@nilakalis854 I recommended trying to reserve your stamina as much as possible by timing counters to regain stamina and only guarding/parrying when the attack comes. That's probably a big contributing factor as to why you aren't playing as well as you could be. Good luck
@@landoncube769 I just use Man At Arms and chuck medkits now, and avoid fights that aren't heavily favoring me
This reminds me of my favorite thing to do as vanguard back in chiv 1. Pick the zweihander, do a big flank and go on an archer murder spree. Those were good times.
whenever I play archer I immediately get murdered
Archers need a longer respawn timer. Min 30seconds.
Minimum 15 minutes feels better to me
30 minutes
2 day ban for dying
Came for the archer bashing, stayed for the President Obama impression.
The worst part about archer is that you have to play it and level it to 7 to get to Skirmisher, the only respectable archer class.
The chiv redditors will still swear up and down that archers are completely fair and balanced. No amount of footage and evidence will convince archer mains that they are FAR too strong. There’s nothing wrong with playing them, you bought the game, play it how you want, but don’t act like you’re not using an overtuned class.
@LargeCockDisorder I find that hard to believe, but I have no place to call you a liar. I consider myself pretty good at this game, not as good as Ziggylata by any means, but I have immense problems with archers every single game, to the point of me just not wanting to play TO anymore. If I go 10 deaths and 80 takedowns you can bet your ass 9 of those will be me just getting domed by a crossbow for 150 damage. Most of the players I see complaining about archers are really good, skilled guys who understand that there’s just nothing you can do against them, and most of the people who think archer is fine are low level players who don’t fully understand the game (not saying this is you, just speaking generally). I don’t think it’s ok to have a class in the game that every other class just can’t do anything against. You watched the video, Ziggy is a great player and still just couldn’t do anything against archers for the majority of the game, even though he brought a shield and did his best to stay out of the archers paths. There’s just no good way to counter them.
I think of it like this, in almost every melee situation where I die, it’s my fault. There’s at least SOMETHING I could’ve done to avoid death or play the situation out better. When an archer kills me, they just kill me. There’s really nothing I could’ve done better, I just have to get shot and deal with it. What exactly am I supposed to do? Just run away and hide behind a wall while 5 knights are chasing me? It’s just not practical, and that’s why I hate archers (the class, not the people who play them).
@LargeCockDisorder could be. I probably die to archers 50 times a day, so I’d consider yourself veeeerrry lucky to only get hit by them every once in a while. Different playstyles could change archers deadliness too. I’m super aggressive and often fight multiple enemies at a time to take agro off of teammates, so I’m completely defenseless against archers. I could see how playing with a shield and being a bit more defensive could make archers not such a hassle. Either way, I don’t like how the archer basically dictates how I can and cannot play just because they exist.
@@asketillus8679 agree with this. Archers are fine at the beginning, when they are low level. I am playing them time to time to increase their level and unlock the other weapons and at first, the archer is balanced. But once you get high level, they become a beast. And I didn´t even have level above 15! I think longer respawn time would be a good idea for starters.
No offense but what does video prove anything about archers being op? Most of his deaths in this video occur when he is over committing and is well into the enemy's territory by himself. What difference does it make getting killed by an archer exiting their spawn vs another class that managed to get behind him because he is outnumbered? Whilst I do enjoy Ziggy's video and do think that he is a very good player, I feel like he is just whinging about how archers punishes him for over extending, which is exactly what their role is designed to do, both in game and historically.
@@Alpha-mo1kg all I can say in response is watch what other top/really good players have to say about archers. They pretty much all hate archers. There’s a reason they hate them, because they’re not possible to counter unless you just sit behind a shield and let your teammates get shot instead of you. Ziggy played super passive this game relative to what he usually does, and he still got mauled by archers.
i’ve never heard a console player say that pc and console are even i’ve played chivalry since the first one only on pc and have only been able to play chivalry 2 on my xbox bc my pc broke and yah it’s not totally 100% different but there is a definite palpable advantage when i play on my friends pc but there’s 100 pc chivalry youtubers who all say it’s not that bad but then simultaneously say that throwing, aiming, inputs and dragging are all easier on pc i love you ziggy you’re my favorite chivalry youtuber and you’re kickass but there’s a reason there isn’t any console chivalry youtubers or at least i haven’t found any
It's like first vs third person. Yea one is objectively better than the other but it's not really gonna win you any games. It's not like in cod where controllers need agressive aim assist just to remain not garbage
@@highestqualitypigiron if something is “objectively better” than something else then yes it’ll probably help you win fights lmfao that literally means its an advantage
@@highestqualitypigiron i alternate between 3rd and 1st when i’m doing a 1vX i use 3rd but usually i like the precision of 1st i don’t think one’s objectively better ik you don’t give a fuck but still lol
czcams.com/channels/0gZZDKRGllP01T5IL8mYQw.html here's one, his name is pizza Steve and he uses controller, I'm told he's quite good, he was the first level 1000 chiv 2 player as well
One of the biggest problems with console is crouching is the same button as punch, and kicks, weapon switching, and weapon throws tend not to register half the time.
And there is a way to accidentally suicide yourself (unlike on keyboard where suicide isn’t a mixture of keys, you have to blatantly press it)
archers can be crazy strong, felt like the pirate from chiv deadliest warrior was more balenced than this.
The big issue is something I am super guilty of and that is picking up ranged weapons from dead archers. It’s something that can be kept up indefinitely if you are an ambushed too
Archers are my favorite, they just don't let up, and usually can't fight very well
I like how the thumbnail says "even a shield" as if there was ever a legitimate counter to archers
On top of what you already said, you could make it so projectile damage doesn't halt hp regeneration, remove out of bounds killzone so you can flank them more easily (makes the vanguard's third class more relevant maybe) and crank up their their reloading times to realistic durations. That should cripple their rate of fire and so maybe they wouldn't be able to spam anymore
Kinda looks like the archers were focusing you, maybe your reputation precedes you? That or they were just good at shooting enemies instead of their teammates (unlike the ones in my lobbies).
Perhaps, no way to tell.
Fancy customization and being on top of the leaderboard draws fire to you. If an archer can choose between shooting a scrub and a sword god it's obvious which takes priority.
Wearing the gold helmet in chiv 1 was a death sentence with good archers around.
And here i am, the archer who cant hit shite even before nerfs and almost all my kills on this class are probably from "ahh fuck it, im going melee with a knife" moments
That is a respectable backup option
It’s weird that people on the subreddit will literally complain about every little thing in the game and yet the second someone mentions that archer might be annoying they’ll go ballistic
I just like bow and arrow I watched Lord of the Rings when I was a kid and the elf guy was my favorite
Legolas
@@spider-drewman2998 yeah that guy I just didn't want to try to spell his name
When I use the crouch-dodge button when being shot at, I notice that archers switch targets to my teammates because they always prioritize easy targets. If they associate you with someone who will try to dodge their shots they will be less inclined to fire at you.
*AHEM* FUCK ARCHERS. I slam my mouse on the desk each time they get me.
Thanks to your vids I'm slowly getting the hang of this game, but I often get instagibbed by arrows out of fucking nowhere.
so good dude^^ but that helmet is next level ugly XD
Don't lie to yourself it's buetiful
Buff shields. Give them a ability that when a shild blocks a jav, bult, or arrow the shild does not lose disability and gains stamina for a successful block. Shelids would remain the same in melee they just get a buff againts ranged
There should be a debuff for archers when they shoot at footmen and knights
Certified mega pint moment
Do you ever play first person?? Or is it just not your thing??
I do, yes, but its weapon dependent for me. I used to only play first person.
I like your barack obama impression lol
I feel archers are underpower in chiv2. Back in the days, in chiv 1 we one shot the knight with crossbow I miss those days.
I play archer only to counter other archers. If I get killed twice by archers, I switch and make them hate their decisions.
at 11:22 someone wrote "archers don't topscore". Well thats not true :D did it quiet a few times. (proof is in one of my vids). I think they could nerf archers if they would just take away the zoom or the crosshair. I also think we sould get more punished for teamattacks (like loosing points or get autosuicided after 3 teamhits in 1 life). Would make everything more interresting.
They should make archers way slower then every other class and they should remove there secondary so they only have the bow and no way to defend themselves in close quarters.
As i always say "you pick archer to be a annoying, i pick archers to headshot enemy archers, we are not the same" anyway a longer respawn time for archers would make sense, archers were rare stuff, good archers were even more rare, longer respawn time would simulate that. Plus it would actually make sense to aim to them and try to kill them. Because now even if you do kill them they will just resoawn 3 seconds after and start shooting you again.
I know this is 3 months late but yes that's a very good nerf
jeah archer have a limit , but everyone can pick up bows and fight with them , so even if there is a cap for the class , there isnt a cap for players picking up other weapons ^^
I am way too bad at ranged aiming to play anything along these lines. Like I'm pretty good at the melee part, but my hands feel way too shaky to aim.
Damn I wish that helmet was available for console
It will eventualy be. They said on stream that all the limited or exclusive helmets will eventually in the future be publicly available. How or when? Idk lol
The problem is a Controller doesnt have enough buttons for all the moves you can do in chivalry 2
I’m sure the archers had a great time playing grim fandango
Ps4 and Xbox one players are at a huge disadvantage tho cause they got a unstable 30 fps which makes it very hard to parry and also on mouse and key board faint differently to controller
Well of course we can fight them,but it’s basically like a man vs a woman,and it just so happen the man is also a level 500 something 😂
I love how TB know how cancerous archers are, and just added voice lines for it instead of nerfing them lmao.
Archers have been nerfed 6 times since launch, more than the highland sword which most people think was a huge mistake adding to the game.
Obama guest star, crazy.
What is that horned helmet you have?
Steam exclusive helmet, temporarily.
You should regenerate stamina if you block an arrow
You should kill an archer if you block an arrow, it should just fly into their eyeball
There should either be the introduction of a Infantry class as a reboot to the Archer class if their bows and crossbows are removed that acts as a jack of all trades melee while skirmisher is kept with some bow and crossbow stands scattered around defensive and offensive heavy areas for other classes to utilize or limit the amount of ammunition that can be carried. I like skirmisher because I want to recreate that infantry soldier bot class that's basically a melee archer that dies easily and enjoy how the players who think you're going to be an easy kill suddenly become surprised when you're capable of defending yourself and getting some kill combos. Like seriously Torn Banner Studios, just give us the infantry soldier as an official class so that we don't have to keep using ambusher to level up our daggers.
The helmet the game gave us for having chiv 1 on our acc is the ugliest fucking thing ever, I feel like they could've done something much cooler for the OG players...
You mean beautiful.
@@Ziggylata If you only see it from the back, maybe...
What if making archery combat was just like kingdom come deliverance archery combat
How about make the arrows slower not by too much but enough to try to counter them
The arrows are already really slow, it’s almost impossible to hit a moving target past 35m
@@Marcus1Arelius3 no
Incredible Obama impression
Archers should straight up be removed from the game. They are anti-fun for everyone but themselves.
archers also need way more scatter imo
and probably limited munitions like in battle brotherse
also yeah archers should get punished for dying lmao, they're literally in the back out of harms way
Could be good if they spawned in a different spot than the rest of their team maybe closer to enemy lines . 😈 Half the problem is you can never reach them. Also, idk how they should nerf it but somehow it just feels fucking wrong for a knight in full plate to get headshot for more damage than a special attack.
i felt the same way when fighting for the french near azincourt, shit was retarded 💀
i like the archers they make the game more chaotic
horses on the other hand...
this games controller support is so good besides the keybinds i use steam big pic mode to change controls thats my biggest complaint but it feels great on controller dragging feels like u cant do it as good as mouse and keyboard but u can still do it
I don't hate archers. But their is a serious problem with a server being 20 on 20 in a 64 match.(something u can't control...) and each team having 5 archer's without exception unless people decide to play the game as marketed. Again, i dont hate archer. I understand the plight of getting gunned down with no max health as an archer. But still... they have gun... shield can't be the only thing to help.
Archers where marketed
I’m a archer main and I’m proud🏹
Archers are annoying, but this video was horrible pain. Wow
I don't understand how people play archer in this game. It just feels awful to play. The way the shooting feels is just not good at all.
actually with a gyroscope controller (dualshock, switch, steam deck, etc) its actually equal to mouse and keyboard in shooters in fact im actually considering to switching to using controllers for every game
I should try this sometime.
@@Ziggylata yeah the channel "SolarLight" made a good vid about it in tf2 specifically but applies to pretty much any game
how to fix archers: No crosshair like in kingdom come deliverance
Force a class switch after dying as an archer
sorry, idk how you would even do excels or decels with a controlly
Hey ziggy! when's the next trial by blood? I cant wait for the stream!!!!
I'm not sure, they currently don't have any plans to let me participate with them, but discussion is on-going.
Archers are weird in that they exist in this purgatory of being both useless and overpowered simultaneously. I'm not sure how to nerf them without making them tedious to play, but I wouldn't be opposed to lessening their effectiveness like in Mordhau.
I feel like adding some game mods without archers entirely wouldn't be an awful option, might even force some archer mains to learn a new class but it's probably a lot more complicated than that.
They've already been nerfed 6x. It is now more effective to use them as melee with the Cudgel than the bows or xbows, that's how bad they are now.
Yet Ziggy and other players like himself (who drove off all the other players in previous slasher titles) continue to complain about archers because that's their shtick.
@@T4nkcommander I don't think archer players make up the majority of people that you think they do. People didn't get "driven off" from the previous slasher titles because archers were nerfed that's just simply untrue. Do some people complain about archers too much? Yeah probably. Most people just find archers extremely annoying to play against, nothing makes you feel cheated quite like dying to a ranged opponent that you possibly didn't even see until it was too late. Archers still aren't as terrible as you claim they are and those nerfs don't really seem to address the main issue of archers.
I think a way to balance archers would be to have a significant damage drop off, up to -60% at mid range to -90% long range to encourage staying just behind the melee fighters. Additionally, reloading the crossbow could cost all 50 of their stamina the warbow and longbow could cost 20 and 15 to load with a -15 and -10 per second drain if held. If you want even more ideas they should lower their ammo count by half and reposition all of the ammo creates in every map to be where the fighting is thickest. In those ways I think archery could have a somewhat compelling role.
Lol, nerfing ranted competency encourages Archers to shoot more at melee units rather than counter archery.
5:32 :D
ur welcome
I saw your name and thought it looked familiar
the thing about archer is it actually outright doesn't add anything to the gameplay but only takes away at the same time
but what about skirmishers? its actually the only archer class that im capable of hitting anything in a long range thats not my teammates
There is a way to block arrows without a shield but it too hard. You need to counter the arrow
edit: found a video showing it (its near the end)
czcams.com/video/O24zGgBX_YA/video.html
imagine if bow class from monster hunter would be in chiv 2 XD
You said you wouldnt do an Obama impression ever again. You have lied to me.
I did it because I wanted to, not because you asked. If you had waited patiently, you would've gotten it.
@@Ziggylata I will take this lesson and learn from it
Just bring a shield lol
They have to Nerf all Big swords, the bow is fine, weak to Fine
@LargeCockDisorder i think the Highlands sword is the most OP, Very hard to kill, Very hard to survive against
@@erickgrucci9164 Highland sword isn't broken, you can close distance pretty easily if you counter since it's so slow. Just don't hold your block against it because it annihilates your stamina.
The game would be objectively better if archers were simply removed from matchmaking honestly. Or limitied to 2 or something like that
Removed
On the note of good controller players I am one 😎
I've inflated my ego too much someone humble me
@@lurkerapril4521 it’s not everyday I see someone use their real face as a profile picture
Lemme duel you then
@@Saddam_Husaiyan funny cat
If you get rid of archers I'll just play ambusher with two hatchets
But guess what, you can block those throwables with any weapon bb.
@@Ashen_Night116 Archer gang fuck melee there's a reason we invented guns
It was a W stream many arrows were blocked
People defend archers by saying that overall their impact is low and in a team objective I'd agree. But the problem is that it's still not fun to have 100+ health deleted off you from someone you had no idea was even in your vicinity. An attack you can't even block or counter in any way. Even if it happens rarely it still absolutely sucks. This is kinda the same thing as running attacks (though at least you can block and interrupt them and theres a big audio que). It's no fun just getting randomly slammed or straight up just one shot because you happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I just like bows. I think they are cool. :(
That's fine, don't take my words as offense. You can play what you enjoy, you know?
@@Ziggylata Oh, no I realized lol. Thank you for the reassurance though.
it is better to have archers in chivalry 2 with a limit on the number, than they will be useless as in mordhau
I’d rather the useless archer
They already are useless. Running the secondary melee weapon is more effective on the ranged class after all the nerfs.... how does that make sense? It doesn't
@@T4nkcommander ranged classes should be terrible in a fighting game 🤯
Controller is stronger in most crossplay FPS because of auto aim, see halo, destiny 2 and so on^^
I mean, yeah you consistently top the leaderboards and have thousands more hours than me, and you're playing footman with shield, but someone on Reddit told me that you just need to carry a shield with you and he 3v1'd an archer that didn't have any backup or run into spawn, so maybe uhhhhh skill issue :^)
/s
Are you a Mason or an Agatha?
I think a delayed spawn at the start compared to other classes could work. Like Battlefield's vehicles used to be. You want to be annoying? Why not play a real class instead of waiting?
Archers never used to be an issue until controller aim assist was introduced
You can use a mouse and keyboard on consoles with fucking aim assist using a xim
First
Archers are the only weapon counsel player have to fight a team filled with pc players who spend 5000 hours learning to abuse the hit box on stabs
you complain too much about archers man
Its like you didn't watch the video.
That's Ziggy's thing. There's a small minority of players (who drove Chivalry and Mordhau into the ground, btw) that know nothing but how to complain about archers.
After 5000+ hours of playtime, literally nobody else can touch them in melee, so they over extend and eventually die to an arrow. They then complain about the archer incessantly and get nerfs (six of them in Chivalry 2 so far) to the point where the bow and crossbow now do a third of the DPS of the Cudgel.
Ah yes, Ziggy still whining about archers. After 6 nerfs, the class is better used with melee secondaries than ranged primaries, but here you are still whining that the class is still in the game.
You are a delusional freak who still thinks archer is somehow too weak. I am not interested in conversing with you as you will literally never be convinced that you are wrong.