Overclocking Raspberry Pi 5 to 3.14 GHz on Pi Day
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- Some said it couldn't be done. In fact, I said it couldn't be done, this morning!
Then I did it! Happy Pi Day, here are some resources if you want to try overclocking your Pi 5 beyond 3.0 GHz-but be warned, you will be running experimental firmware if you do this:
- github.com/raspberrypi/firmwa...
- Argon THRML 60mm tower cooler: amzn.to/43gYmPM
- My video on Pi silicon: • Probing Pi 5 silicon w...
Since many people have asked for a link, here's the set of mini needle-nose pliers I used in the video: amzn.to/3TBA6EQ (Hakko CHP PN-2007). I probably use them more than any other pliers I've bought, in fact I just bought another pair so I can have one up front with the Macs :)
Argon sent this particular cooler unit as a test sample, though I have another one I purchased separately at home. This video isn't sponsored, and there are a variety of great cooling options that should work with most overclocks (even the $7 Pi Active Cooler), and an Ice tower cooler would give pretty similar results.
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Contents:
00:00 - I was wrong.
01:13 - Cooling for an overclock
03:18 - Flashing the OC firmware
05:29 - From 2.4 to 3.0 GHz
08:01 - From 3.0 to 3.1 GHz
09:50 - From 3.1 to 3.2 GHz
10:42 - From 3.2 to 3.3 GHz (fail)
13:07 - Back to 3.2 GHz
14:16 - World-record Pi 5 single-core (for now) - Věda a technologie
Happy Pi Day! And 314 day, where I'm from ;)
Has anyone else gotten a stable overclock past 3.14 GHz yet? I could run at 3.2, but couldn't finish a benchmark!
God damn dude that is not how you put thermal paste on :). I've built many computers and I'll give you some tips though I recognize you wanted to keep your hands clean especially while shooting a video. You want the absolute minimum that it takes to cover the whole surface without any spilling over the sides when you install the heatsink so the best way to do it is to start out like you did with a drop but just get grounded and get dirty and use your finger to spread it across the heat spreader (there are tools but those tools don't have thousands of nerve endings in them). The goal is to fill out all the gaps at the microscopic layer the metal is basically a bunch of mountains and valleys and you want to fill in the valleys with paste but you don't want to bury the peaks. Take any excess off with your finger you just need a thin coating across the spreader then put a light brushing on the heatsink but not nearly as much since the thin coating on the heat spreader is nearly enough once they're pressed together (just filling in the deepest gaps but not quite to the peaks, I usually just try to use the excess still on my finger this should not be as much as is on the cpu). You want there to be just enough to fill out the valleys on both metal surfaces but not have any spill over the sides when you press them together (or at least only a tiny amount, a glob at the edge can trap heat). This is especially important with silver based thermal compounds that can short out pins on the sides of the chip (chip specific).
@@lance862 thermal paste amount does not matter, as long as you have enough to cover the processor, no matter what kind of processor.
it only matters if its liquid metal, which he did not use.
You can do:
watch "command_one;command_two" for 2 commands
or even:
watch "command|grep 'l33t'"
I got mine to 3.4 run at 3.4 and it was fairly stable. But I delidded the cpu (I would not recommend for most but if you want to risk it be careful) and used the water cooler to kick heat away as fast as possible to make sure I didn’t run into any problems while testing. But I had to test a few pi’s that I bought at various times and places to find one that could go past 3.1ghz.
@@jonathanbutler6635 Have you been able to get a full Geekbench run (or any other benches)? It seems like some of the stuff in those tests triggers blocks that get quite unstable past 3.0/3.1 :(
It'd be cool to see if we can find any patterns to which Pis get up to exotic clocks and run well!
3.14Ghz - you win Pi Day Jeff!!
Hehe, there's still a few hours left, if you want to try 3.2 or 3.3! :)
try 3.141592 Ghz
What about 3.1415-92-65359?
Its the Pi number. 🤣
Yeap, thus the pi day
I doubt the firmware is able to get that precise. A fun thought though
@@antonisautos8704At that many decimal places clock stability gets more of the problem 😄
Even the CPU heating up the board and there fore the crystal oscillator would have significant effects on the clock signal.
To error is human, to *pi* *on* *pi-day* *is* *sublime.*
Sub lime?
Surly you mean Sub Raspberry?
@@AJB2K3 Subpi
INJECT VOLTAGE, BYPASS THE VOLTAGE CONTROLLER :D
my gpu rn
thats ...
you are gonna burn your pi faster than an actual pie in an oven
@@susannerudolph8469ez 2v in watercooling 🥸
@@susannerudolph8469people have done external power to break world records with 780Ti-s and 980Tis, it is not that unusual for extreme overclocking
Buildzoidmaxing
I remember my PI 4.
I went the ultimate DIY route, and made the cooler myself from aluminium sheetmetal welded to a copper block. It cooled amazingly, compared to many market solutions.
The PI died 6 months into the warranty, in the middle of the shortage.
They repaid me the pre-shortage price.
Yey.
How did you weld aluminum to copper?
so what country so good let you refund
@shanent5793 Perhaps they meant brazing?
As far as I know the only welding that works on copper and aluminium is friction welding.
@@oliverer3explosive welding too
@@oliverer3 probably, though sometimes people manage to DIY some advanced techniques. Diffusion bonding is another way to stick dissimilar metals together
The short amount of time you spent editing this together is amazing. Less than 2 hours?! Wow. Phenomenal video too!
I definitely cut some corners in the process, left a bit more uncut footage in there than usual! But I do like mixing it up, it's a bit more like 'watch while I'm doing it' versus 'I did this and here's what happened'!
@@JeffGeerling I think that "watch while I'm doing it" is better than the "I did this and here's what happened" videos. Just my opinion. Great video!
its always nice to see you enjoying yourself and bringing fun to our screens. i'm 80 this year but still love playing with my pi, I remember the first computer I worked with, no hard drive just two 5.25 floppy drives. Thanks
You surely got this video up quickly.
CZcams algorithm did luckily recommend the other one first before this one, lol.
"Some of you won't survive overclocking, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make" :) Glad it didn't fail.
@2:13 You put on such a brave face when struggling with your debilitating disability. Those of us healthy should be thankful to you, you do a good job at bringing the struggles of being disabled to those of us abled enough to do manual tasks without the crippling disadvantage of being a left handed mutant. Bless your brave soul. Never let them tell you "you can't". 😊
Ha!
I find it strangely enjoyable that SBCs are so powerful we “need” tower coolers now.
Hehe not quite 'need' :)
On the other hand, there are some more powerful you can run with passive cooling (RK3588S).
seems to keep the Temperature down well enough. I think I would go for needing them compared to the usual hobbyist heat sink and fan. Particularly in a warm environment
Nice to see. I didn't know I won the silicon lottery. Mine does 3Ghz fine and 1125Mhz GPU OC, I'll have to try this to see how far it will go.
Woah nice! You did win.
@@JeffGeerling I tried mine. 3250MHz CPU and 1150MHz GPU stable. Boots at 3350/1150, but it is unstable.
2:10 usually you can just use a closed or taken apart ballpoint pen housing to get those white nubs out.
Ooh good idea! And less chance of gouging the board!
@@JeffGeerling I use a socket small enough to compress and push the clips in, kinda like the ballpoint trick. Difference is it works with many different size clips of that style.
Yep. Been using the venerable Bic Biro housing since the '80s for those... perfect size.
Thanks Jeff. I was supposed to be on a flight right now but Denver International Airport had a snow day. Very entertaining!
next challenge for next years pi day, print as many numbers as you can when overlocking
Heh, get the Pi 5 Pi Day challenge record!
@@JeffGeerlingif i can get a pi 5 😭😭
This fan size immediately made me think of those people who put a giant wing on the back of their Hyundai Xcel
actually with the power of his heat sink fan, I thought it was lucky he didn't have wings on it..... it may have taken off !!
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, Jeff. Keep up the great work, my friend.
Amazing job Jeff! Happy PI day!
There's no better way to celebrate Pi day than to run a Pi at 3.14 GHz clocking speed.
At this point, it can replace my PC.
Two videos in a day? What a treat 🎉
I'm glad I'm not the only one that enjoys a good chuckle when I see jiffies in a kernel oops 😅
Cooler on the board ❌ board on the cooler ✔️
It's never about the size Jeff, it's about the heat-pipe design they selected for that lovely tiny cooler ;)
this was the best pi day celebration ive seen this year. bravo
Diet Pepsi > Diet Coke. Sorry not sorry.
Haha, I am with you there-Diet Coke comes in third behind Diet Dr. Pepper and Diet Pepsi. Something's up with Diet Coke, I feel like it used to be better.
Diet coke doesn't have any sweeteners, unlike coke zero which has aspartame, which makes it taste worse (in my opinion) than other drinks
Original of both > diet if both
Pi day is now renamed Geerling Day!
Cool Video. Thanx for always pushing the limits, so we can all learn about new things in the Pi community. And Happy belated Pi Day to you too! 🤣
the 314th day of the year should be pie day second edition 😂
Great video Jeff! As an avid overclocker myself, I couldn’t get beyond 2.8 GHz with the default firmware but I’m fine with it. I need stability as the Pi 5 is my DNS server and will soon be my OpenVPN Access Server as well.
Best Pi day video! Excellent way to celebrate 🥳 🥧
Thanks for that Jeff. Previously I hadn't tried my Pi 5 at more than 2750MHz with no overvolt. I've added the over_volt_delta and used the unlocked firmware and it's now running at 3100MHz with a simple 100% CPU load. Standard case fan with the lid off and around 63°C. I'll be doing some video editing on it later. Then I might see how high it will go.
Nice work Jeff, what a guy
This might be a dumb question; is there any way to bypass the 1V rail to the CPU, maybe by cutting trace on the board and hooking it to an external DC power supply? Or perhaps do something like the shunt mods they perform on GPUs to bypass voltage limits? Or are all the voltages generated on the SoC itself?
That's a good question, and something I didn't look into. It sounds like this limit *might* also be able to be lifted in firmware... but maybe not.
It is possible on the RPi B. I directly fed the processor of a V2.0 using a Keysight $1k high precision generator borrowed from the university. The HWBot Prime score Jabatrox and I set that day will certainly remain as the best in "air" cooling.
It's quite possible that this technique can also be done in the RPi 5, we need the schematics. Another big problem is finding a fine tunnable generator.
I like this train of thought :) @@SuperBuker
What's the point of overclocking this CPU ?
Maybe you could also use a board like Elmor Labs EVC to change the voltage, as is done with current graphics cards. If there is a possibility to solder the wires to the raspberry pi 5 so that the EVC can communicate with the voltage controller via l2C or another interface.
Thank you. Great show and info. I like the date format I learned in the USMC, for chronological organization YYMMDD; it will keep files in order of the date.
:3 no problem jeff (it's me, the guy who made the issue)
Haha thank you for posting it! Now post one on open sourcing the firmware haha.
@@JeffGeerling LOL will try (i have yet to test the patched firmware but if i do ill be breaking the 1000 mark in geekbench :))
hell of an accomplishment for pi day👍
incredible video as usual but is it current what you need to change to overclock?
I’ve said this before Jeff. It’s great that you do these things so that we don’t have to 😀
I will glady risk my Pi 5 for your enjoyment! :D
Thanks Jeff! Keep it up.
that lil tower cooler is so freaking adorable 😆
Ah, Pi Day (only in the U.S.), I've still got my WD Pi Day hard drive. Got it running Home Assisitant at the moment.
I still wish I had bought one of those WD drives, 314 GB, right?
Ah, 4th of July coming up (only in the rest of the world).
Yup, 314 GB@@JeffGeerling
It was nice of you to let Red Shirt Jeff take over the channel for a day.
Damn, someone has beaten you score Jeff, by 5 points with a 3.2ghz clock!
Haha I noticed that this morning! (browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/5312673) - looks like that was a 4 GB model, and it could have memory that's *just* so slightly faster, accounting for that difference. Would love to see someone hit 3.3 GHz stable.
Makes sense to start with years as that is the most significant
Easy for filesystem sorting :)
8601 is the one true date format for that reason.
I'm giving her all she's got Captain.... -Scotty (I swear I just typed this to hear you quote it)
love your work as always jeff. look after yourself matey you don't sound yourself.
Been fighting a cold then ear infection for a few weeks. It's just annoying at this point, been on some medication and hopefully it'll clear up by the end of March!
@@JeffGeerlinglook after yourself bud
The Second you said you repair old macs, I had to Subscribe !!!
Awesome stuff!
15:26 we all love seeing the numbers go up, and the Pi go up (in flames)
Absolutely Amazing 👏
another cool video. I'm also one of those yyyymmdd guys, it just makes sorting things so much easier(I also tend to follow with hhmmss)..
For the plastic standoff retainer (the plastic you squeeze with needle nose) use a small nut driver the diameter of the compressed tabs. Shove the nut driver over like you were going to remove a nut. The socket will push the retaining tabs in when you slide it in. So much easier than needle nose. If this makes no sense let me know I will send pics.
What a mad lad, overclocked Pi to the Pi!
This guys a legend
"...until next time, I'm Jeff Geerling." I keep waiting for the name to change, but next time he's always STILL Jeff Geerling!
Happy Pi day Jeff. 😀
It's a shame that Broadcom doesn't let you push the chip past 1V. As long as thermals are in check and the power delivery circuitry can keep up, +10% on top of that should be perfectly fine on most boards, as engineers always add a safety margin to account for the "weakest" chips and SMDs that have a bigger than average negative deviation in quality.
the fact that this in the 16gb ram config paired with a 2070super is basically my setup number whise is intimadating
Can you attach a bench psu and give it 1.05? or 1.1V?
Just cut the cpu_pwr trace and solder a wire to it.
And put a big resistor on the cpu_power trace to make a bit of current pull from the PMI to not shut down.
Those "corrupted" characters during boot were almost certainly not because of the overclock, as they show up on the first default boot at 5:22. I think it might be an ellipsis character that the console character set doesn't have a glyph for. Console lines at that point and above are all short, whereas below that they get longer, like the console video mode was changed at that point.
I only ever got my pi4 to 2.3 with the S2Pi Ice Tower Cooler. Right now the pad has slipped since its not in use and one of the screw heads broke, but it was a solid piece of kit when I used it.
CZcamsr trying not to become extreme overclocker chanllenge *impossible*
does raspberry release board schematics? Cause y'know if you could sever the trace that supplies power to the chip you could solder your own power supply to it, say 1.05V instead of just 1V
This... is a fun suggestion.
oh no...
A good weekend Jeff
…but the *“Instructions for safe use”* which was included with my Raspberry Pi 5 said, *“This product should not be overclocked.”* 😄
Heh, but note it does not say "must" :)
Happy pi day!!
I love Pi and Raspberry Pis and Pi day
I also like ISO 8601 because sorting alphabetically is the same as sorting chronologically.
Looking forward to LTT machining a custom water cooler plate and put it on the chiller.
for the small plastic clips.. get a old pen, take out the ink and spring.. use to pus Around from the back, and pull out
I just ordered this and i'm keen to try it. I am interested to see how this works on mine.
Random question though, i'd love to know how you've configured the Mac Terminal. I'm not a fan of the default one
My configs are in my dotfiles repo (and my mac-dev-playbook repo) over on my GitHub (username: geerlingguy)
@@JeffGeerling Legend! (:
Here in Sweden we have a few date formats, the most common are "dd/mm" and "yyyy-mm-dd".
Just watched this on my Pi 4 Model B 4GB!
wow here i was impressed with myself getting a celeron n5105 quad core to run at 3.2ghz
Nice video thanks. A bit off scope: what is the best active cooling system for Pi4? thanks
Ice tower is the best, by far. Otherwise, most any fan cooler (even the little GPIO fan) will work well enough for Pi 4.
little update on helium heat transfer trchnique, assemble with your chosen cooler inside a fish tank as you blast it with helium, probably wont work without decaping cpu and helium blast wont last long in open air ( no sealing and enclosure) might try another gas not as good but that doesn't float away so easily , but might give you a few minutes, break boundary layer and then put your graphite sheets or thermal paste on, might be limited by way the thermal paste containing CO2 molecules. I would try it but no resources! Like to see if it works though! let me know if you try it! Also you could try replacing the crystal?
You could just connect a i2c interface to the voltage controller from the pi. Then you can set the voltage that is been applied to the pi and use dry ice to cool the pi
I too have many tubes of thermal snot.
They get really snotty after a while!
Hi Jeff, I have a question. Will the 4 Way Gen 2 X 1 Driver-Free PCIe Packet Switch 4P Kit for Raspberry Pi run on Raspberry Pi 5
Does the PLL clock frequency have to be an integer multiple of 54MHz?
Stress test @ 3.2 GHz with temperature just 38.4 is quite impressive on its own.
Can you try mineral oil cooling with the pi5? Would it run faster?
2:21 - Those pliers just from Amazon? Got a link? I like they look extra thin but still seem pretty strong at the tip.
Yes, picked them up off Amazon a few years ago. Can't find them on mobile though, but I think they still sell them
Hi Jeff, greetings from Costa Rica. Last 2 weeks I've been watching your work here and it's really awesome. Due to you're an engineer I was thinking maybe you could be interested about to develop a VoIP PBX Solution using Raspberry PI 5 with Issabel PBX and OpenVox Card model D130E. Let me know if this could be good for you because I will be working soon on it for my side.
Wow, not bad at all.
Your single cores are close to the same level as an A77 core on a beeg smartphone chip, which has signifcantly more cache and a faster interconnect.
Wonder how it would compare to the N100 Intel CPU in this context.
Jeff, what is your opinion on the use of SD disks in current models like the Pi 5, should we abandon it and use nvme instead?
I still run my main Pi 5 with a good microSD card, it's nice for the compactness. I have two others I run with NVMe, but the total cost to get a Pi + HAT + NVMe makes that less of a value than a Pi 4 used to be. It's still nice, though, and very compact, which is my main reason for using Pis in some places.
They forgot to put in the vowels, yes 🌟
Obligatory pi day 3.14 was a success
And luckily neither of us was killed by falling ice softballs today :D
Can't wait for overclocking Raspberry Pi to 6.28 GHz in three months.
Hiiii Jeff. Cool day 😂
Use a small socket to remove the clips on the cooler next time. Push on the clip as though you're installing it, while using the socket to retract the "fingers" from the other side. It's easier and much safer that way.
3.14 clock on Pi day on a Pi... Sweeeeet!
What is that clear plastic base you used under the RPi? Also brand/model of those small needle nose pliers? (Amazon link?)
Ha, that case was part of the first ever cluster setup I built. It is just one part of a 'Dog Bone' style acrylic stacking case for the Pi 2, that still holds up today quite well as a little build platform. I like how wide it is, with a few rubber feet.
The needle nose pliers (which I have gotten TONS of use out of over the years) are these: Hakko CHP PN-2007 Long-Nose Pliers amzn.to/3TBA6EQ
@@JeffGeerling Thank you.
That’s cool
It's Pi day, and I'm still waiting for my Pi 5 to arrive :D
It was supposed to be delivered weeks ago, but there is a "locker issue" :D
My local Microcenter (Overland Park, Kansas) has 25 Pi 5 8GB boards on the shelf.
This makes me wonder witch is the most powerfull SBC without exteral fan.
Do you have your mac's prompt config around some where? I like the clock on one line before the $
I think it's in here: github.com/geerlingguy/dotfiles
@@JeffGeerling Thanks Jeff! Appreciate that it's a straightforward prompt setup, too, and not a thousand lines of oh-my-zsh includes. Been trying to simplify my dotfiles while keeping/adding the things that are actually useful.
Hah, yeah, I try to stick to things that are consistent and simple enough to see what they're doing over the course of decades. I know some people basically write Node.js apps for their prompts, that's just crazy!@@bennyfactor
ive never had a raspberry but thought about trying to get one what exactly are they good at?
Do you know of something to run on a Pi to see if it is fully functional such as after you flogged it hard?
I'm curious - how much can you underclock it? How does performance compare? (is it linear?) What is the lowest power draw?
Base power draw at idle will always be the same without force_turbo, because clock will go down to 1.5 GHz. But I would like to see if we can get it below that for more power savings.
If you want to reduce power I'd start with undervolting before underclocking. I recently discovered that the laptop I gave my mother can run its CPU at full speed at the lowest voltage setting. It made a huge difference and doesn't affect performance at all. Actually it does affect performance because now it doesn't thermal throttle.