In this video we install a perrin rear stock tower brace and talk about the mistakes i've made with the car and it's future plans. perrin.com/shop/suspension/re...
honestly we all have been there. Its frustrating to spend money when its not needed. Keep moving forward and cant wait to see where you take the car. 💪
That was good of you to share the experience on the modifications you've done, including those on when one goes to far and that which results from those changes and the fixes. I think 900BRZ is having an engineering firm evaluate that which I commented to you, him and others to fix the problem, so hope they get it going and make it available to cure the problem with oil control. The rear brace will be a good addition to your track focused 86 👍.
It’s always tricky to keep a good balance once you go in the deep end of modding. I’ve actually got a Whiteline rear sway bar sitting in my closet but I’ve been hesitant on putting it on cause the car feels so good as is!
Thanks for sharing this. You should have more "storytime" segments if you get the chance. Also its crazy, I was just readjusting (today) my rear Whiteline adjustable endlinks. Having a hard time getting them to zero preload. Lastly, are you adding E85 to yourself, cause you're looking mad fit bro. Can you even fit in your 86, Hulk? Lol 😂 seriously, love the channel, down to earth advice and experience. Keep it up brother. Gives me hope for my build.
Thanks for sharing all this info. Theory says that stiffer equals more control/feedback but less grip. And it is inline with what you said. Good luck with v2.0!
Good to hear from you, yes it’s been a while. Stillen has a reasonably priced bigger rear sway bar but I can’t complain as my 2022 Hyundai Elantra N rotates easy as it is. I was impressed that the 2024 models now come with poly rear bushings from factory ✌️
Awesome video brother! Loved the story time and good insight on the experience you're having with each stage of modding. Good ideas to help stiffen the chassis, I look forward to seeing the results!
@phelpsgarage4202 thanks for the insight! I was doing 28-29 cold, around 33-34 hot. I need better tires tho, the Cosmo mucho machos don't feel too good around the sweepers
Good to see a new upload! Congrats on the turbo! I worry about forced induction on stock internals with the 20% higher compression in the GR86's FA24D (12.5:1) compared to the turbo WRX's FA24F (10.6:1). 🤔 Glad to hear you got the understeer dialed out too!
they respond very nicely to boost. high comp means not much psi needed for very large gains. they are completely capable of holding 350whp reliably, including stock internals, stock clutch, stock transmission. seems these were overbuilt, and quite sturdy when not starved of oil.
with harder sway bars you have less roll and "less grip", it does different reaction in the steering input, so in theory a nicer feeling to the driver to let you push harder the car....
I dont track but ive got strut braces front and rear for more stiffness... but i have not been able to tell much diff. Hopefully you will see difference when you take the car to the limit.
ive got hks hypermaxx s, and my car is stiff. if i needed, i can get it to even more stiff with damper adjustment. as far as strut braces though, i am just not sure how much difference they are making. btw, i cant wait to see turbo chargers on your car.
I am Looking forward to the more power mods. How much power are you aiming for? Any update on the oil pressure drops? I know 900 Brz said a new oil pan is going to solve the issue once available.
Thanks for the video man. Toyota should gift you a new gr86 just for the street with everything you are doing to show the potential of this chassis. I need to get sway bars. I track the car. Which sway bars will you recommend.
About the tyres, could it not have been the camber/other geometry? The Hoosier tyre will be a softer compound and hence the rubber strength will be lower than the street equivalent. If the tyre didn't make a nice contact patch, it could shear easier hence performed worse. I'm guessing the geometry should change between tracks, but I wonder if there could be a way to test the contact patch, maybe filming the tyre somehow?? or Just looking at the tyre wear
I heard you mentioned adding a turbo to the car? Still planning to? Are you worried about heat soak issues? Love the videos BTW, thinking of getting a GR86.
I literally typed this comment at the 17 minute mark lol, looks like you got a turbo, still interested in your thoughts on heat soak as I am sure you have already thought a lot about it.
@@phelpsgarage4202unrelated to turbos, but if you were to start over with a 2024 GR would you get the performance package with the bigger brakes? Or go base and pick something aftermarket down the line?
@@user-iz3qg6sv3f depends on the budget. My AP racing brakes work too good 😂. I’m sure the performance package brakes are a lot better than stock brakes so maybe start with that.
100% these cars need hood vents for track days in the summer. hell the car stock on gen 1 would pull power when running the AC in the hot summer weather 😅
With good fueling and tuning, low boost and timing I’m hoping it lasts quite a bit. I’m only looking for 100 hp which is easy on pump gas with like 5/6 psi
@@phelpsgarage4202 if you look around 100hp reliable you need at list to run on e50, on pump gas max 50hp stock block gr86 is not reliable on boost for TRACK use. Is metter of temperature, if you can manage to run low temperature it gonna work otherwise forget reliability, already with stock NA it run really hot those engine, subaru engine don’t like high temperatures is the major reason because they fail and as well knocking thats why you need e50
@@phelpsgarage4202 nice i was looking into that one, i know a guy making 400-450 on that kit, also i was looking at jdl kit, please do a full install video im looking to purchase as well
honestly we all have been there. Its frustrating to spend money when its not needed. Keep moving forward and cant wait to see where you take the car. 💪
Thank you!
That was good of you to share the experience on the modifications you've done, including those on when one goes to far and that which results from those changes and the fixes. I think 900BRZ is having an engineering firm evaluate that which I commented to you, him and others to fix the problem, so hope they get it going and make it available to cure the problem with oil control. The rear brace will be a good addition to your track focused 86 👍.
Thanks for watching! I’m just hoping when the pan does come out it has a turbo return 😎
It’s always tricky to keep a good balance once you go in the deep end of modding. I’ve actually got a Whiteline rear sway bar sitting in my closet but I’ve been hesitant on putting it on cause the car feels so good as is!
I could help rotate that car better due to it being front wheel drive?
Thanks for sharing this. You should have more "storytime" segments if you get the chance. Also its crazy, I was just readjusting (today) my rear Whiteline adjustable endlinks. Having a hard time getting them to zero preload. Lastly, are you adding E85 to yourself, cause you're looking mad fit bro. Can you even fit in your 86, Hulk? Lol 😂 seriously, love the channel, down to earth advice and experience. Keep it up brother. Gives me hope for my build.
Thanks! The corn liquor really does a body good! 😂
That was a nice solution for the rear strut brace.
I like it!
Thanks for sharing all this info. Theory says that stiffer equals more control/feedback but less grip. And it is inline with what you said.
Good luck with v2.0!
Thank you!!!
Good to hear from you, yes it’s been a while. Stillen has a reasonably priced bigger rear sway bar but I can’t complain as my 2022 Hyundai Elantra N rotates easy as it is. I was impressed that the 2024 models now come with poly rear bushings from factory ✌️
Thanks for watching
Awesome video brother! Loved the story time and good insight on the experience you're having with each stage of modding. Good ideas to help stiffen the chassis, I look forward to seeing the results!
Thanks for watching!
@@phelpsgarage4202 quick question, what psi would u start cold on 300tw tires and what would be your hot target?
@@gr86zn86 I normally start around 27 psi cold and end up around 32 maybe 33 on my tire pressure gauge.. I go off of feel.
@phelpsgarage4202 thanks for the insight! I was doing 28-29 cold, around 33-34 hot. I need better tires tho, the Cosmo mucho machos don't feel too good around the sweepers
Love your vids brother
Thank you!!!
Good to see a new upload! Congrats on the turbo! I worry about forced induction on stock internals with the 20% higher compression in the GR86's FA24D (12.5:1) compared to the turbo WRX's FA24F (10.6:1). 🤔 Glad to hear you got the understeer dialed out too!
E85 on low boost is the plan for now. Only going for 100 more hp
they respond very nicely to boost. high comp means not much psi needed for very large gains. they are completely capable of holding 350whp reliably, including stock internals, stock clutch, stock transmission. seems these were overbuilt, and quite sturdy when not starved of oil.
You look 10 years younger with the shave, look forward to seeing you add more power!
Hahahaha thanks! I can’t wait for it to be boosted
I saw a turbsky 🚗💥💨🔥
That brace wont hurt for sure!
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Turbo GR86!!! ❤️❤️❤️✅✅✅
Coming soon!
@@phelpsgarage4202 what turbo did you get? Any sponsorships for the turbo kit yet?
With that extra 100 whp. You will be able to keep up with the supras
😎
damn, i couldnt recognize you without the mustache LOL now you losses the bad boy vibe lol
😂 it’s coming back!
with harder sway bars you have less roll and "less grip", it does different reaction in the steering input, so in theory a nicer feeling to the driver to let you push harder the car....
Yeah, it’s definitely faster when it’s softer
I dont track but ive got strut braces front and rear for more stiffness... but i have not been able to tell much diff. Hopefully you will see difference when you take the car to the limit.
Stock suspension?
ive got hks hypermaxx s, and my car is stiff. if i needed, i can get it to even more stiff with damper adjustment. as far as strut braces though, i am just not sure how much difference they are making. btw, i cant wait to see turbo chargers on your car.
I am Looking forward to the more power mods. How much power are you aiming for? Any update on the oil pressure drops? I know 900 Brz said a new oil pan is going to solve the issue once available.
Starting with only 100 whp to start and going up from there. I haven’t heard of any update with the new pan but hopefully soon.
Thanks for the video man. Toyota should gift you a new gr86 just for the street with everything you are doing to show the potential of this chassis. I need to get sway bars. I track the car. Which sway bars will you recommend.
Whiteline makes a good kit. I believe it’s 20/22mm in the front and 16/18 mm in the rear and wouldn’t push much higher than that.
@@phelpsgarage4202 thank you for the advices. And thanks for saving some of us the headache and money of redoing things over.
@@patrickhingston thank you for watching!
About the tyres, could it not have been the camber/other geometry? The Hoosier tyre will be a softer compound and hence the rubber strength will be lower than the street equivalent. If the tyre didn't make a nice contact patch, it could shear easier hence performed worse. I'm guessing the geometry should change between tracks, but I wonder if there could be a way to test the contact patch, maybe filming the tyre somehow?? or Just looking at the tyre wear
I had to remove camber based off of tire wear and temps. Car is working a lot better with the changes and a softer bar
I heard you mentioned adding a turbo to the car? Still planning to? Are you worried about heat soak issues? Love the videos BTW, thinking of getting a GR86.
I literally typed this comment at the 17 minute mark lol, looks like you got a turbo, still interested in your thoughts on heat soak as I am sure you have already thought a lot about it.
New video coming out next week about the kit and the plans for the car. Thanks for watching!
@@phelpsgarage4202looking forward to it thanks!
@@phelpsgarage4202unrelated to turbos, but if you were to start over with a 2024 GR would you get the performance package with the bigger brakes? Or go base and pick something aftermarket down the line?
@@user-iz3qg6sv3f depends on the budget. My AP racing brakes work too good 😂. I’m sure the performance package brakes are a lot better than stock brakes so maybe start with that.
Did the hood louvers help with cooling down the engine? I do otds at nola and car runs hot over 250 on summer weather
100% it helps!
100% these cars need hood vents for track days in the summer. hell the car stock on gen 1 would pull power when running the AC in the hot summer weather 😅
@@phelpsgarage4202how else could you keep the car cool
@@3angs567 oil cooler. Your oil acts like coolant
Do you have a baffled oil pan or Oil sump in your 86? If so which one?
Tomei baffle plate and Moroso sump
@phelpsgarage4202 thanks! Trying to build a track prepped 22' BRZ and been using your videos as a reference 🙏
hopefully you gonna do a forged engine with difference tollerance otherwise how you use the car the engine will blow
With good fueling and tuning, low boost and timing I’m hoping it lasts quite a bit. I’m only looking for 100 hp which is easy on pump gas with like 5/6 psi
@@phelpsgarage4202 if you look around 100hp reliable you need at list to run on e50, on pump gas max 50hp stock block gr86 is not reliable on boost for TRACK use.
Is metter of temperature, if you can manage to run low temperature it gonna work otherwise forget reliability, already with stock NA it run really hot those engine, subaru engine don’t like high temperatures is the major reason because they fail and as well knocking thats why you need e50
@@andre82s2k I always run E85. Cooling is the next thing I’ll do to help keep it happy
are you buying a turbo kit? or everytbing separately?
P and L turbo kit
@@phelpsgarage4202 nice i was looking into that one, i know a guy making 400-450 on that kit, also i was looking at jdl kit, please do a full install video im looking to purchase as well
@@joshs420 will do!!
@@phelpsgarage4202 question, does the jackson racing oil cooler/radiator fit with the kit? or just the oil cooler ?
@@joshs420 not 100 sure yet but I believe it will without the oil shroud