106 - The war is two years old - WW2 - 106 - September 5, 1941
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- It is two years this week since Germany invaded Poland. That European conflict soon became a global one. Japan's invasion of China began two years before that, but with Japan allied to the Axis Powers, they are now the same conflict. Those Axis are all fighting together now to try and defeat the Soviet Union, but the war has grown not just in the scale of the armies fighting, but also in the scale of man's inhumanity to man. We see that this week in German occupied territory.
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@@joshuacondell1686 yes
Dear indy i invite you to Sürmene Trebizond for examine ww1 relics.During Russian invasion in 1916.i will ve very pleasedif youaccept
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Where are the french, the croats(croatian pilots and the 369th crotian regiment in the 100th jager german(ex austrian) division.)
Thank you for bringing up the Slovaks they seem to be the forgotten Axis nation alongside Croatia, but I am wondering what is Bulgaria up to?
A couple weeks ago I ran into Indy on a random street in Stockholm. Quite a coincidence. I thanked him for the work he and his team are doing and encouraged them to keep it up! He was just as kind, respectful, and engaged as he appears on all his videos. A great guy through and through, happy to have met him!
Thank you!
Was he wearing the same type of clothes lol
@@smokeyy9932 He was looking classy as usual.
@Marshal Rooster J He definitely does, sharp and witty, just the kind of guy to go on a bar crawl with.
Sebastian Franzén I feel like a prick for saying that musta grew up wrong crowd
"Hitler has other things to worry about too, like basic logistics."
If that ain't an apt summary of the German war machine 2 years into this conflict....
Maybe that is something they should have given thought BEFORE they attacked. hehe
@@timothyhouse1622 They THOUGHT they would capture all the Soviet trains. :-)
The Germans assumed their logistics would be solved by the capture of thousands of intact Soviet locomotives and freight cars. The problem with planning is that the enemy ultimately has a say and could end up doing the unexpected. Assumption is the mother of all f#%* ups.
@@toddmoss1689 Like the old saying goes: assuming makes an ass of you and me. :-)
But generals (of all sides) tend to make many overly-optimistic plans, in this war as well as in the previous (world) one.
@@poiuyt975 Even if they had somehow captured all the trains unharmed, they would still have to shift the cargo and passengers between trains at the borders, and need to keep trains running in both directions to keep the logistics running effectively, thus needing double the train personnel or remake the entire railway into european gauge width.
Then there's the fact that there wouldn't have been enough of trains or effectively laid railroads to support the entire front anyway, and they would've needed lots of transport vehicles to ferry supplies between the trains and actual units.
The one thing I would say was their worst mistake with the logistical planning ,was the roads.
Germany: "Continue attacking"
Finland: "That wasn't part of the deal"
Germany: "I have altered the deal, pray I don't alter it further"
troublesome allies,it seems.
I find their lack of faith in Germany, disturbing...
@@benjaminbritsch1749 He dedicated his life to purging a specific group of people, killed tons of people including women and children, took part in expanding an authoritarian racist regime and George Lucas' inspiration for the Empire was Nazi Germany
Finland: "This deal is getting worse all the time."
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 Conbelligerents actually.
"boundless disappointment"
wow that's tough. really tough.
I'm not mad, just disappointed...
@@jonbaxter2254 boundlessly disappointed.
Especially coming from a yes-man armchair general (Keitel) who in civilian life would have had a hard job managing a library. His only redeeming quality was his slightly confessional speech at Nuremberg.
Takes 3 to start an argument . 1 is invisible
Seriously, what’s wrong with these guys? It’s like they don’t even want to die for a fascist dictatorship.
"Half-soldiers incapable of standing up to the Red Army."
- W. Keitel about the Italians on the Eastern Front. This is the same guy who discarded a report by Georg Thomas detailing serious problems about fuelling and rubber supplies for the invasion of the Soviet Union.
Also, someone's whose nose was perpetually brown from kissing Hitler's ass. Not sure how he was abreast of any issues with his head firmly planted between Hitler's ass cheeks.
The Germans, or at least many of them in the Nazi period, essentially disparaged non-Germans, and their tendency to blame non-German allies for setbacks has to be seen against this background. Even Scandinavians or Dutch who joined the Waffen-SS sometimes complained of the arrogance of German officers and NCOs.
Too many youtube historians rely on this myth about the non German axis nations.
@@johnhall8364 not really. italian soldiers were as good as everybody else, it was they leadership that badly let them down, sending them to war without proper equipment, supplies and strategic vision.
@@backtothegrave Exaclty in the North African campaign for example there's some instances of commonwealth troops routing from Italian units and the official British history just renames them to German units, or the Germans blaiming there on tactical failures on their allies.
Would really appreciate too see at special about Carl - Gustaf Mannerheim. A really interesting man to say the least
Plus he has such a chad name
Yeahhh pleasee
Yess please!
Yeah good recommendation
@@jimc.goodfellas226 Read a book about Mannerheim this summer. I was deeply impressed by all that he was and what i did during his lifetime. The relation to NaziGermany is probably the most controversial topic, however when reading into it more you can clearly see how the Finnish army fought for it self mainly
"Hitler has other things to worry about too, like basic logistics."
Ain't that the truth.
It proves the old adage, "If you assume anything you make an ass out of u and me". I wonder if anyone told the OKH and OKW this.
Don't worry, though: Hitler will continue giving priority to genocide over, you know, winning a war of annihilation with the Soviet Union.
@@Raptor747 but,to his ideology,committing those atrocities was needed.
@@Raptor747 Genocide was a part of the war of annihilation, though
@@Raptor747 well tbh, his order was to wage war and eradicate the 'shitty sub-humans' in his view simultaneously. That's why the what-if scenario of "not attacking USSR" in example, won't happen realistically bcoz Hitler stated that Russian land is vital for Lebensraum. They were doomed to eventually capitulate and lose from the beginning honestly, due to the fact that Nazi ideals were taken into consideration while planning battles for most of the time.
"Britain and SU invaded Iran to protect oil supplies".
USA: WRITE THAT DOWN!
It's a common critique of U.S. foreign policy but is inaccurate. The reason that trope exists is Russia. Russias has economic and geostrategic reasons to call into question U.S. foreign policy at every turn. Russia has lots of hydrocarbons wants to sell them at the highest price possible, is an autocratic authoritarian regime, and the U.S. and Russia have lots of bad history in their mutual relations.
There's lots of things to oppose about U.S. foreign policy but wars for oil aren't one of them. If you want to look into resource exploitation as foreign policy kindly consider the examples of France and Belgium.
@A Cool Dude well cool duded why are you wasting your time talking to and i quote "a fucking moron"?
Maybe learn some manners if you wish others to see you as other than a steaming shit pile of rage hm?
@A Cool Dude 1. You've already shot your credibility to shreds.
2. Everyone knows the U.S.A. went to war for oil in Korea back in the 1950s, and also in Vietnam in the 1960s. Except it didn't.
3. Resource dependence doesn't drive the foreign policy of countries which are not in fact resource dependent.
Lots of oil in Afghanistan lol no there isn't. Nor is there much in Syria for that matter.
Petrol products simply don't play the key role that you ascribed to them in U.S. foreign policy. They DO play a key role in Russian foreign policy. Resource dependence also played a key role in 1940s Japanese foreign policy.
People aren't robots nor are they stupid. Good luck learn your lesson otherwise
jesus a fucking ginger raging so obvious a go to move
@A Cool Dude Take your pills, bro :-)
@A Cool Dude U.S. oil wars launched in the wake of the 1974 and 1979 oil embargoes
< cue crickets . . . >
Are you on steroids or some other drug?
About Keitel asking Mannerheim to continue the attack further to the Soviet territory and Mannerheim refusing: It’s easily forgotten that Finland was still a parlamentary democracy throughout the WW2. So few countries involved were... So Mannerheim did not have a freedom to do what ever he wanted. For continuing the attack he would have needed an agreement from both president Ryti and the government. They would never have given their permission. But that was no problem because Mannerheim himself and other leaders of the nation shared the same view.
Yes . Ryti was the one instructing Mannerheim to decline Keitels request in a meeting they had Aug. 24 1941.
I am excited about the Italian support on the eastern front heard a lot of crazy stories
@@MrVlad12340 Like Russians fight only after drink like five men?
Unfortunately the Italian support for the germans was not as important as the German support for the Italians in the Mediterranean and the Balkans.
The italian contribution was more symbolic than an actual unit to fight the Soviets, surely they helped to fill up the ranks and relieve the germans to use them more in key sectors, but that was the case for also any other axis ally or satellite nation. Especially during Barbarossa the Italians sent only 62.000 men, many more than the Afrika Korps but not equivalent in weapons and vehicles, not even support.
Anyhow there were very interesting stories, probably Izbuschenkij and Nikolayevka, but though being considered an elite italian formation for Italian standards, those divisions were barely ok for a german infantry division, italian divisions had a smaller firepower than the equivalent german ones.
@@lorenzodimaio6672 I know they didn't help a lot I was just saying they performed better than they where expected to perform in some battles against a clearly superior enemy
@@Johnnylemoni yeah sure, they did everything they could without a doubt.
Ps: I'm italian, I'm not a generic dude mocking the Italian army of WW2, I think I'm just being honest about the Italian participation in WW2, not diminishing nor exaggerating.
@@lorenzodimaio6672 hello neighbor
11:58 - 12:13 , "Logistically Germans doing better at sea" , no , not really. Last week I mentioned tragicomical capture story of U-570. German U-Boat crew quality was going down , as well as the Allied merchant ship tonnage sunk each month. According to their own calculations German Navy had to sink 650.000 tons of British and Allied shipping each month to win the tonnage war (sinking more ships than Allies could build) and sever Britains naval supply routes. They were not even close to this number at this point. 80.000 tons of shipping sunk in August 1941 is puny compared to that goal. Also most of the merchant shipping losses were in peripheral convoy routes like West Africa , Gibraltar to UK convoys. Vital North Atlantic convoys like HX (Halifax) or SC (Slow Convoys) between Canada and Newfoundland to UK were almost untounched for two months and from returning to Canadian waters convoys (empty vessels going with ballast back to North America) only two were attacked. And Royal Navy almost cleaned out of all German merchant shipping and supply vessel network from high seas and German merchant raiders were either hunted down or returning back to their arbours in France. Britain and Commonwealth were actually prevailing in Battle of Atlantic in his point.
Just wanted to say that I love reading your supplementary notes on the war.
U.S. Seizes Axis Ships (1941)
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this is some real info
Thanks. I was hoping someone would comment on this.
merdiolu81 Thanks for the facts and clarifications!
in almost a year from now, the CSIR's 3rd Cavalry Regiment will pull off the last large scale cavalry charge in history at Izbushensky.
Despite Keitel's harsh judgement, the Italian soldiers would be some of the few Italian units to perform well during the war, considering their equipment and logistical shortcomings.
It helped that they were commanded by Giovanni Messe who was by far the best Italian general of the war
Rommel's view was that the Italian soldier fought bravely and well if properly led but was often misled.
@@QuizmasterLaw and the CSIR could initially count on one of the, like, three good Italian generals of the time: Giovanni Messe
Timestamps:
1:26 War Against Humanity - The Great Provocation in Vilnius
2:23 Operation Barbarossa - Army Group North This Week
2:54 Soviet Offensives Against Army Group Center
6:03 Operation Barbarossa - Army Group South This Week
6:17 Phone Call Reference: A Look at Germany's Allies feat. Romanian Siege of Odessa (8:56)
10:26 Update on German Campaign Logistics
12:00 Battle of the Atlantic - August, and Other Maritime Actions This Week
13:21 Summary of the Week
13:34 A Somber Quote to End the Week
really helps ty
Keep doing this for every video, please. Helps a lot.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME GIVE US A EVENT RUNDOWN
found it. Thank you.
"Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy - bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”
400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food
Congratulations on 2 years of great content on this channel! For me, there's no CZcams without Indy&Co! Cheers!
Thank you very much!
World War Two your a great youtuber
Something tells me Japan has their eye on OTHER targets. But where....
That is just a rumor, there is nothing to it! In the meantime, Hawaii was the best duty station for both the Navy and Army.
USSR is a strong industrial and military power. They are probably looking for an easier target.
I'd like the letter "P" please.
My best guess is that the japanese will attack the Isle of Wight 😂
lets be honest, even if japan did "invade" the USSR, what would they gain? seriously extensive supply lines for the armies that protect nothing and a lot of snow. there are no industrial complexes in the far far east, except maybe a bit in vladivostok, but nothing worth any war. sure if the germans were to push beyond urals than yeah, but now, that would have been a big mistake.
This has helped me to learn just how precarious the Axis situation was just 2 years in. The failure to subdue Britain was really the beginning of the end, and the invasion of the USSR was basically a big "Hail Mary". I always heard that the Nazis could have won if Hitler had listened to his generals, but in fact they were well and truly screwed at this point, and that's BEFORE the U.S. entry into the war.
Hitler and his generals all knew, right from September 1939, that they won quickly or they didn't win at all. The economics, and hence logistics, were overwhelmingly on the allies' side, especially as US entry into the war was probably just a matter of time. Operation Barbarossa was, like the Manstein plan, a Hail Mary play to avert inevitable slow strangulation by blockade and bombing. There was no point planning for a long campaign as they knew they'd lose a long campaign.
This week on the 1st Finnish forces captured major general Vladimir Kirpichnikov in a pocket near Viipuri. He was the only Soviet general Finland captured in the war. He was interrogated immediately after capture, which confirmed Finnish intelligence information and revealed more info about Soviet troop movements in the area. Finnish interrogators noted that Kirpichnikov had some anti-Soviet views, so he was transferred to Helsinki to the propaganda department. Kirpichnikov refused to start or lead any anti-Soviet organization despite pressure, but he did write some anti-Soviet articles. There are also some unverified claims that he was later offered leadership of the Russian Liberation Army (Russians fighting for Germany), but he refused. He was returned to the Soviet Union after the war, and shot for treason in Moscow in 1950.
I think I saw colour photos of him taken after his capture. He was doomed. Captured Soviet generals who did not cooperate with their captors at all had SOME chance of avoiding punishment at the end of the war, but giving info and writing propaganda articles guaranteed punishment if he was returned to the USSR, as he was, even if he did not go as far as joining ROA.
Shouldn’t have been returned
@@baronofbahlingen9662 I doubt there was much choice. The Soviet union demanded their "traitors" returned.
well, Stalin and the Russians have some experience at shooting it's own generals...
Finland shouldn't have return him.... So sad story...
All Soviet POWs faced the possibility of a severe punishment after the war, high ranking officers more than most. Returning POWs and charging thw Finnish leadership with war crimes were part of the peace demands the soviets made at the end of the war. Finland, after being defeated, had to comply.
I've been watching you since 1916.
1917 for me
1914 for me
1940
1917
1939
Mannerheim was sceptical about German's ability to win the war from the beginning. He was invited to Germany on Hitlers birthday were Hitler introduced his plans on the eastern front. When Mannerheim saw these plans he realised there is no change Germany will win. So he spent the rest of the war being on defensive, trying not to aggravate the Soviets too much.
Did he actually say "I don't think this is going to work out" or did he keep his views to himself?
There is something that one gets watching these episodes following the real timeline of history that one just doesn't get in many popular formats on WWII. One sometimes gets an impression from many documentaries that the events of Operation Barbarossa were basically a cakewalk for the Wehrmacht up to December of 1941, with Soviet armies melting in front of the panzer groups like ice cream in the hot summer sun. Getting the pace of these operations week by week, at the same pace in which the events originally occurred (in addition to the excellent graphics and detailed commentary), I believe, gives one a better of impression of the sense of these operations, and how they impacted the leaders and participants at the time.
IMHO, the situation in times past, during which it would suffice to dash off the events of Operation Barbarossa in 1941 with a single, 45-minute episode, is dead and gone. Time Ghost, with "The Great War" and the "World War "" series have set a new standard. I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb to say that these two series are doing for history documentaries what HBO's "The Sopranos" did for TV dramas.
Completely agree, this is the new way to make documentaries and way more effective.
This has worked best for the battle of Smolensk for me. I've been reading for years how the soviets halted the Germans for a month and it was almost a victory of theirs, but all I could see was "didn't the germans just surrong 300k Soviets?". This series has been the first time were I have apreciated the difficulties the Germans had.
@@Dustz92 exactly, they give the sense of the time passing
I've been "supplementing" watching the ww2 channel as the episodes are released, wtih seeing "regular" documentaries, movies and books of ww2, to get an even more comprehensive view of the events.
Its actually revolutionary and takes advantage of the medium. Legitimately brilliant. Content only possible in this day and age. Recontextualizing something barely anyone left fought in: *never forget.*
It's absolutely wild to think it's been 2 year already. Since this channel has started, I have moved from Los Angeles to New York to Dallas, TX and now have a baby son on the way. This channel won't run it's course until he will be 4 years old!
Imagine servicemen who had babies born in the beginning of the war, but were not able to see them until the end because they were captured by the enemy.
"Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics"
"Politicians talk bullshit."
The Italian 8th army actually performed extremely well throughout the latter portions of 1941 and early to late 1942. Due to the hierarchy and dissidence towards their Italian allies, the 8th army was largely kept as a behind line force, until they were pressed into service on the Ukranian front. Specifically they proved their worth at the battle of Petriwoka, in late September of 1941. And as a result of a pincer movement around the city,10,000 Soviet prisoners of war were captured.
And Italian units were not prioritized for logistical support, given the Axis problems in that area. They likely fought with their hands tied figuratively.
That's all in the future.
Japan: Germany is expecting a quick war and victory over the USSR. That's too unrealistic.
Also Japan: *Eyes longingly at map of the Pacific Ocean and all the territories of the western nations*
If anything Japans aspirations were far more grandiose, though that's easy for us to say with modern hindsight.
@@saltyleaf6002 They certainly had the navy to back up their aspirations, just one problem that navy used up a lot more oil than they were producing.
@@wetlettuce4768 ... and the US had / could quickly build a bigger one.
@@lhaviland8602 In 1940 Japan generated 3% of the world's industrial output. The US just over 30%. Literally 10 times the capacity.
@@Rocketsong Cue Mike Mozart lol.
Despite knowing about the tens of millions of deaths that happened as a result of WW2, what the actual scope of that looked like hadn't occurred to me until I was watching the most recent episode of War Against Humanity, and after seeing the casualty report for the first month I did some calculations to find out how many people (soldiers and civilians) died everyday in the Eastern front.
With roughly 39 million deaths on the eastern front (5 million German soldiers +10 million Soviet soldiers + 24 million civilians) in between the start of operation Barbarossa on June 22 and the end of WW2 on September 2 1945 (a total of 1,532 days), that means that on average about 25,456 people died every single day on the eastern front. Over 10x the US casualties in Afghanistan, every single day, for over 4 years.
Or about eight 9/11 events every day for 1,532 days straight.
'1 death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic' Stalin
Also, of the Soviet military dead, at least 3 million were PoW's murdered through ill treatment or through acts of barbarism.
@@malcolmanon4762 yes and while were at it lets add the extra 1 million dead German pows and the 2 million dead civilians in east germany. And i think even more dead soviets tbh.
@@westnbluне врите--- One death is a tragedy, thousands of deaths are statistics. This phrase is mistakenly attributed to Stalin, but in fact this idea is expressed by the main character of Remarque's novel "the Black obelisk" Ludwig Bodmer.
Nazi Germany: You guys have armies that can help?
All their allies: Yes , but no...
Axis allies: give us supplies. Greater Reich: Uhhh...no.
Great show! An interesting fact is that the last Hungarian cavalry charge in history was carried out in 15th August 1941 by the 4th Cavalry Regiment, helping the German 16th Panzer Division to capture Mikolajiv. The charge through an open field, was led by Major Kálmán Mikecz. They successfully routed the defending Soviet troops. According to a German witness even the Germans were so surprised, that they left their position to have a better view of the cacalry lines charging with sabres.
I have questions about where in the world you found this tie. It looks like a glass stained window that needs a good cleaning. 5/5 hope to see it again
@Gianni Verschueren Indy has achieved the rare 5/5 rating now!
A 5/5 tie? Impossible
@@FreaKCSGOHacker Not the first
@@gianniverschueren870 It's true, I follow these pretty closely and I remember at least two other 5/5's.
Edit: BTW I agree with you, this tie is odd and amazing at the same time.
This tie is a true work of art...certainly a reproduction of an English or French Cathedral.
Would love to see you talk more about the Shetland bus, got excited with this small mention!
Congrats on the second full year of this channel, been watching you guys since The Great War
Easily one of the best series on youtube. Ive been hooked since day one and two years on Im still loving it. I thought I knew my stuff on WW2 but this series is reshaping that ... superb
I just wanted to drop you folks a line of my sincerest appreciation. I could quibble with some of your interpretations, but you're doing such a careful and creditable job on WW2 as you have on your other projects.
I look forward to these every Saturday.
This is amazing I shave been watching all of your episodes throughout out lockdown and finished yesterday and then it turns 2 years today.
Did u see the one tht Indy and team did on WW1 a channel named "The Great War" if not and u enjoy this, then i think u will like tht also. It goes from the beginning in 1914 all the way to the end of the war in 1918 it was some good content
I can't believe it was more than 70 days since barbarosa already
I've watched every video since I started during the second episode
This just gets worse and worse,
But this channel keeps gets better and better
I am always excited to be here every week
Keep up the amazing work, TEAM!!!
You've aged well Indy! Can't even notice another wrinkle through the two years.
Great continued work by you and the rest of the team, it's greatly appreciated as I (and the rest of us) have all learned so much.
Thank you.
It's crazy that i managed to finally catch ul on the 2 year mark. Congratulations on the hardwork, this channel is amazing and truely a needed.
Great show, as always! But just one tiny detail - tell Indy that Stavka is pronounced "Stavka" (in Russian), and not "Schtavka" (that's German pronounciation). Keep up the good work, and stay healthy! 😊
A great two years of content so far, cant wait to see what's up next for you guys. Your work is truly appreciated, you do an amazing job at presenting these events in a way that is enjoyable to watch but still manages to hit the tone necessary to discuss these kinds of events. Keep being awesome guys!
Indy, you and everyone at Time Ghost provide the world with a valuable service. Thank you all!
Since it wasn’t last Christmas, or Christmas 1939, maybe it’ll be over by this Christmas
nah,too soon.
Last Christmas we sent out our boys,
So that they could make use of their toys.
This year, to save our frontier,
We'll must improve logistics...
He really should have worded the finnish part better. Finns are not stopping their offensive actions. They will be doing them to early December when they will stop on the Svir river. The only front that stopped was the Leningrad one as taking the city was never in finnish war plans. There they start setting defenses. Next month finns take the city of Petrozavodsk. He was correct that finns have gained back the land taken in Winter War but they are not stopping yet.
Yea, exactly what I thought. I hope he will cover these moments later though. On the east of Ladoga Lake, finns planned to connect with Germans to establish the complete blockade of Leningrad, yet failed to penetrate the resistance of Karelian Front on Svir, near the Lodeinoye Pole. They had a bit more than 100 km to reach Tihvin, thus encircling entire Leningrad and Baltic Front, but they were crushed by trying to fully cross the Svir, and then stopped all offensives, creating defensive lines and hoping that Germany will finish the USSR by itself.
@@LexaSkull The reason why finnish troops went to the south side of Svir was to gain control of the road that connected Podporožen and Voznesenja so it would have been easier to move material and people between the two areas as there is no real road connection on the north side of the river. Linking up with germans was not the goal of the attack you are talking about. Finns did cross the river and hold areas on the south side of it to 1944 and holding most of the river expect small part of near lake Ladoga. So you saying they tried to fully cross it is false as in reality they fully crossed it and hold the area for about two years. They were indeed stopped by heavy resistance and as the units were under manned badly but saying they got crushed is not correct as they were not destroyed or captured. One unit got circled but managed eventually break out. Finland also was not hoping that Germany would finish USSR Finland wanted separate peace the whole time as the main goal was to get the land they lost in Winter War back.
@@Wezqu they controlled about 100km of Svir from Podporozhye up to Onega lake, but its far from entire river. The goal was to take the entire Svir, and thats why offensive continued until 7th Army stopped them near Lodeinoye Pole. About the plans to join the germans - I read that from "Northern wars of Russia" of Shirokorad, and when he writes about finnish plans, he refers to secret finnish general staff directive, saying that Svir is an excellent for the defense, and so it should not be a state border - that should be the area of 100-150km after. Now, I have not found this directive during brief search right now - if to search his referenses correctly, it might be found, might be not, and if you doubt Shirokorad, you are doing it most definitely right, as he is not the unbiased one. Yet he gives a good argument to general idea - at the fall of 1941 Finland had the opportunity to absolutely change the theatre of war, simply by joining the germans, or by helping german reserves, like 163rd Infantry Division, to reach Tihvin. Why wouldnt they use the opportunity to defeat the entire leningrad front, or at least secure these desired 150km deep? For the same reason why 163rd was removed from battle in November - they just failed to.
In december, germans lost Tihvin, and all further attempts to join germans would only lead to more losses, especially considering that Finland was never happy with the idea of participation in Leningrad's Siege. So it is of no surprise why they stopped after, and focused on defending northern side of Svir.
@@LexaSkull I don't really think there was any real secret directives. There were plans to have a greater Finland if germans won and so Finland would have got maybe more land than was lost in the Winter War. Still all orders given to finnish troops during the wars are documented and they are totally in the public domain to my knowledge. Mannerheim was trying to expand into points where the defense would be easier and Svir river was a good spot and he also was pressured by the other leaders to not stop earlier. He himself never thought that germans would win though so got to defense on the first sign of them starting to fail and thats was what he did. Tihvin would have been so far in the south it would have not even been possible to do with the troops finns had as the lines would have been so long that there would have not been enough troops to hold them. The orders why to cross the river are documented and even the reluctance of the finnish troops to do it as even they didn't see the point to go forward anymore. Mannerheim did the decision to stop offensive actions as there was no point to do them as you said there was no chance that the germans would ever get to Svir anymore and finnish troops were already been over extended. Still the main goal of the finns was always gaining back the lost land but of course if somehow Germany would have won Finland would have taken most likely a lot more land that it lost originally but thats how wars work.
@@LexaSkull Ah, luckily I just have the book that talks about crossing Svir (Syväri) river. It happened on 19-20.10 and it created 100km wide and 25km deep bridgehead for any continued operations although it links on German offensives on Tihvin and beyond. For the actual planned link up Finns loaned German 163rd infantry division and reserved 2-3 own divisions. If Germans had reached certain point Finnish army would had launched its own offensive southwest, eventually reaching German troops and completely cutting Leningrad off.
However, the German armored thrust (2 armored divisions and 2 motorised division) that would had linked up with Finnish army never got closer then 80km from Svir river and Finns had little motivation to actually commit on operation that was so troubled from the start. German divisions were eventually tied down and beaten back in November in series of offensives which brought complete halt on any offensive plans. Naturally, Finnish bridgehead was quickly evacuated in December as it was very exposed for concerned Soviet attack.
Oh and I should add that Finnish troops actually mutinied when given order to cross Svir river, twice. Apparently they took Mannerheims order to fight until reaching defensive line to mean that they would stop at Svir river and had no understanding on what was beyond Svir river (and dying on dangerous river crossing). 3rd night crossing succeeded.
Two years! Time certainly flies! Thank you all for creating a wonderful week by week account of WW2.
Have learnt a lot about things I didn't know and look forward to finding out more as things progress (assuming it's not over by Christmas).
The war might be two years old. But I've been subscribed to this channel only for several months. Seems like it's been an eternity. Great job.
This series has been incredible so far. It's sobering to realize that at 104 weeks, we are really only a third of the way through this war.
I visited Bletchley Park yesterday, I really recommend it.
Love the Millennium Falcon cameo in the background. :) Thanks for all the great and highly detailed content Indy and team!
Congrats on 2 years! The best history channel on CZcams.
Spoiler Alert
The Italian expeditionary forces will actually preform well in the Eastern Front, especially in the battle of Petrikowka
They didn't do so well at Stalingrad.
@@timothyhouse1622 Neither did the Germans.
@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 i think the germans kinda did well, its just the romanians guarding the flanks that fuckes up lol
@@hafeezuddin1367 And who put the undergunned Romanians to guard the flanks? The Germans
@@hafeezuddin1367 Nah, the 6th army's job was to capture Stalingrad, they failed, got surrounded and then destroyed. Can't see that as doing 'kinda well'.
The number of deaths in a single day is mind blowing .In present days such high level of casualties is unimaginable.
This is part of Saturday evening now. Thanks, Indy.
great content
I am a bit surprised that Finland fielded the second biggest army for Operation Barbarossa on the Axis side just after Germany. I know, technically Finland was not part of the Axis. Also Hungary had only 45000 soldiers dedicated for The Barbarossa, that is only like 2 divisions?
Yes, because Hungary had no interest in using many army units against the USSR. Hungary and the USSR were on good terms before the Kassa Incident. Hungary was reluctant to fight with all its might against the USSR.
Those 470 000 men were literally all the men Finland had. Since Finland has a long border with the USSR and a small population (totalling around 3 million during the war) to begin with, they couldn't really choose the extent to which they'd participate. It was all in or not at all.
So glad that Indy mentioned the Hungarian Rapid Corps :)
Oh btw Indy I think you should dedicate one special episode to the Axis minors and they participation& other issues on the Eastern front. I think those guys deserve it.
So fascinating - it seems like I just started watching! Great series.
Indy, your tie game is on point.
Its so interesting that since the beginning of Barbarossa most of the attention has been on Europe with both the soviets and the British commonwealth as they are both fighting for their lives, and in the Pacific things seem to be getting quiet right before all hell breaks lose. I love this series you can really feel the tension as we get closer to the day of infamy.
2:50 That is Eastory map
Eastory is the one making the maps for this channel.
All of the maps are Eastory maps
Excellent Episode Indeed Most Enjoyable.
Brilliant episode
Starting at 13:23 there is a brief segment (~10 seconds) where Indy's voice is very faint.
It´s the voice from 1941
6:10 - German 6th Army trying to capture an important soviet city lying over a huge river... Italy and Romanian at their flanks.
I can almost see a pattern here... I wonder if Germans will ever try to repeat such Ordre de Bataille?
Nah, I don’t think so
I should think they would - after all it means the best roops are at the pointy end and so will eventually get across the Dneiper. The Volga is no bigger - the same battle order will surely work there too.
I like this channel. Very interesting and well done. 👍
Your videos is so interesting❤️
I was hoping you guys would cover more of the minor Axis allies and finally it has come. Regarding the poor training of romanian officers, that's quite the understatement. To top that, the quality of NCOs in the romanian army was also appalling, stemming mostly from the fact that the officer class was composed of mostly aristocrats and the high-class citizens for decades and they had nothing but contempt for the rank-and-file soldiers. They considered NCOs nothing more than "peasants" with extra status among the regular soldiers and they often took the brunt of the officers abuses. The NCOs themselves took it out on the men under their own command, making them pretty lousy people in the end. Given the ever growing importance of NCOs in a modern army, it's easy to see why the romanian one had the rough time it did. Keep up the stellar work Indy and crew!
Now we wait for Mongolia
@@MrVlad12340 who use horses in WW2,cavalry is too obselete maybe use the horses for logistics
It was considered quite acceptable for Romanian officers to beat their subordinates with canes.
Play Hearts of Iron IV as Romania trying to get achievements and you will begin to utterly LOATH King Carol II. I'm pretty sure he can shoulder most of the blame for the sad state of affairs Romania had.
@@timothyhouse1622 LOL JUST RUSH FASCISM
Attacking american ships... I'm sure no one will be stupid enough to do that again, right ?
nah,they will do this old tactic.
I'm sure this time Mexico will join Germany and knock the USA out of the war before christmas ;)
Hey, why not? It worked in WWI.
@@pez4 Don't forget Peru and their 200 mounted llama cavalrymen. They'll definitely come in handy against the Red Army...
Eh the Americans are soft. If someone would just deliver a suckerpunch to them they will be quick to fold. Even if they do not fold, look at how long it took for them to mobilize for the previous World War, and now they can't even use France as a staging, training ground. It will take years for them to field any force capable of attacking the Reich!
This format is great, I really like that you show both the more popular events as well as at least some of the horrible crimes that were commited by (mostly) the Axis.
Great videos 👍🏻
Thanks!
Dam when you said happy anniversary I felt that, real heavy man real heavy.
Dude that shit gave me chills, reminds you that this wasn't a video game, our present is so far separated from these events that you often forget the depth of suffering people endured.
Finlands official primary objective of the war was to recapture territory lost in the winter war so that is a big part of the reason why Mannerheim was so reluctant to cross the old 1939 border. By advancing further Finland would lose its justification and "legitimacy" for the war, especially in the eyes of the allies who had been symphatetic towards Finland during the winter war.
Mannerheim knew that USSR might collapse, but Russia was not going anywhere, so taking part in anything the Russians would feel was unforgivable would be most unwise. As a pragmatist he knew that the opinion of the West would not make the difference in the endgame compared to Russian opinion.
@@nordicfella8004 Agree completely. No matter how the war ultimately turned out, it was smart for Finland - on the border with a much larger nation - to show restraint. Being able to say to the USSR "hey, we only took back what you took from us..." probably saved their butts from becoming the next S.S.R. after 1945.
The Finns never expected the total defeat of USSR, but were expecting short and victorious war for Germans, were Finns could benefit by possibly annexing some territories. I think it was that the official claim of invasion always was and remained to be "to gain lost territories". However there is quite clear evidence that Finland sook to annex East Karelia from the USSR, and East Karelia had never been part of the Republic or Grand Duchy of Finland . 'The cultural survival' of East Karelia was the centre piece of the nationalistic Academic Karelia Society ( AKS ) , which had plenty of members among the higher echelons of Finnish society and military. AKS members had also key part in the Finnish Military administration of East Karelia in 1941 - 44 and it's programs of ethnic cleansing.
One thing that I like about this channel is that I get to see footage and pictures which I have never seen before and probably can't be found online. So interesting.
Wow your video has adds!!
Im so happy that this show is going to go on for another three years
3 years and 8 months
It is tragic that this show still has that much time left in it.
Salt_Factory that was implied i know what happened in that war im actually russian so know a thing about what the nazis did. I am happy that all of this is being highlighted in this video because western history books dont really talk about it.
"Happy birthday to you!"
Love this series!
I'm so glad I found this channel. Indy and company are awesome.
Thank you for your support! Glad you enjoy our work.
I never knew I'd be this excited about a map scale, but I am. I was hoping for this adition since The Great War really, so I'm happy it's finally here. I love it!
Thank you very much!
30 August 1941
Leningrad Front : German troops captured Mga, Leningrad Oblast, Russia, severing the last railway leading into the city of Leningrad. Red Army retook it back next day with a counter attack but on 1st September German forces recaptured Mga for good and drove Russians away.
The Russians used every possible armament with which to defend Leningrad. On 30 August the naval guns of the Neva squadron had gone into action against the German positions at Gatchina. On the following day, more than 340 shells were fired. Many naval guns were taken from their ships and mounted on land. Even the gun batteries of the forty-year-old cruiser Aurora , which had fired blanks on the Winter Palace in November 1917, frightening the remnants of the Provisional Government into surrendering to the Bolsheviks, were dismounted, and placed in position on the Pulkovo heights.
Ukraine : 1st Panzer Group of German Army Group South under Paul von Kleist and 2nd Panzer Group of German Army Group Center under Heinz Guderian began to envelope the Soviet Southwestern Front under Mikhail Kirponos at Kiev, Ukraine.
Romanian troops captured Kubanka, Ukraine, but Soviet forces recaptured the city later in the day.
Berlin , Germany : German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop asked Admiral Soemu Toyoda regarding a possible Japanese attack on Vladivostok, Russia; the Japanese Navy admiral responded by saying that Japan was preparing for such a venture, and required more time to complete the preparations
Kola Peninsula , Russia : Soviet destroyers Grozny, Oritsky, and Kuibyshev escorted the Allied convoy Dervish into the Dvina River and on to Arkhangelsk, Russia. Crewmen of the merchant ships of this first Allied convoy to arrive in Arkhangelsk reported poor cooperation from the Soviets. No stevedores were found so the crewmen attempted to unload the cargo themselves, only to be stopped by Soviet armed guards because they did not have the proper passes to step onto the shore; the situation was only improved after the arrival of higher ranking Soviet officers later in the day.
Mediterranean Sea : Italian coaster Alfa was torpedoed and sunk by Royal Navy submarine HMS Unbeaten off Sicily. Italian cargo ship Egadi was torpedoed and sunk by Royal Navy Swordfish torpedo bombers off Lampedusa. Italian cargo ship Liv was bombed and sunk by RAF Wellington bombers off Libya.
Norway : Two German cargo ships Bahia Laura and Donau were torpedoed and sunk by Royal Navy submarine HMS Trident off Lofoten Islands. More than 400 German troops aboard them en route to Finland were drowned
31 August 1941
UK : A mixed-gender anti-aircraft battery with 200 men and an equal number of women was established, with great public interest, in Richmond Park, London, England, United Kingdom. The women were the first to take a combat role in Britain.
Leningrad : Russians are turning old capital of Tsaist Empire into a fortress while German Army Group North began to tighten the noose around the city. Shop window were full of sandbags , roads are mined , fenced with barbed wire and defended with hastily built roadblocks and trenches , militia units march through the streets and every gate is guarded. Leningrad Communist Party Secretary Andrey Zhadanov declared : “We must dig a grave for fascism in front of Leningrad” The city was almost totally surrounded and will be in range not only Luftwaffe bombers but also medium artillery.
Vilnius , Baltics : In German-occupied Vilna, August 31 saw a German ‘action’ against the Jews of the city. One eye witness, Aba Kovner, saw two soldiers dragging a woman away by the hair. As they did so, a bundle fell from her arms. It was her baby boy. One of the soldiers bent down, ‘took the infant, raised him into the air, grasped him by the leg. The woman crawled on the earth, took hold of his boot and pleaded for mercy. But the soldier took the boy and hit him with his head against the wall, once, twice, smashed him against the wall.’ That night, according to the precise German records of the ‘action’, 2,019 Jewish women, 864 men and 817 children were taken out of the city on trucks to the pits at Ponar, where they were shot.
1st September 1941
Baltics : German cruiser Köln began supporting the invasion of Dagö and Ösel islands and disabled Soviet coastal batteries at Cape Ristna.
Berlin : All Jews above the age of six in Germany and occupied lands were ordered to wear the yellow Star of David with the word “Jude” inscribed in black within; this was to be effective 19 Sep 1941
Belarussia : The 9th Company of German Police Battalion 322 participated in the murder of more than 900 Jews from the Minsk area in Byelorussia. On the same day, the Police Regiment South reported shooting 88 Jews, and Battalion 320 reported shooting 380.
Atlantic Ocean : Battleships USS Idaho, USS Mississippi, and USS New Mexico, escorted by 2 cruisers and 13 destroyers, were dispatched to patrol the Denmark Strait to protect American merchant shipping.
Smolensk , Russia : Soviet Marshal Timonshenko started a massive attack with three armies on Gomel , aiming to recapture Smolensk.
Leningrad : German forces recapture Mga , officially severing last railway link out of Leningrad
2nd September 1941
Leningrad : German advance guard reached 12 miles east of the city but halted there
North Sea : German cargo ship Oslebhausen struck a mine and sunk off Norway.
3rd September 1941
USSR : The equivalent of a whole Red Army Division under NKVD officers was sent south to round up and deport all the Soviet Union’s ethnic Germans they could find. By Jan 1942, 800,000 Germans from all parts of the Soviet Union had been shipped eastward
Ukraine : German and Romanian troops captured the village of Vakarzhany, Ukraine.
Poland : Experimental trials of gas chambers at Block II of Auschwitz Concentration Camp in Poland began, using Soviet prisoners of war as test subjects. Zyklon-B was used.
Spitzbergen , Arctic Circle : British commandos fullfilled their mission of wrecking coal mines and evacuate the mining community , leave the islands
Atlantic Ocean : British cargo ship Fort Richepanse was torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U-567
Mediterranean Sea : Italian cargo ship Andrea Gritti was torpedoed and sunk by Royal Navy Swordfish torpedo bomber aircraft off Calabria. 350 Italian trops on board lost. Italian cargo vessel Commandante Bafile grounded off Sardinia , then sunk by RAF Wellington bombers
4th September 1941
Leningrad : Finnish troops captured Beloostrov, which was 20 miles from Leningrad, Russia. Germany requested Finland to immediately press on against the city, but Finland rejected, noting that Finland was only attempting to reclaim territory lost to the Soviets.
Atlantic Ocean : American destroyer USS Greer pursued German submarine U-652 for 2 hours 190 miles southwest of Iceland; and called RAF aircraft to track and attack the submarine , the two ships attacked each other but no damage was inflicted on either side. The torpedoes fired at USS Greer missed and depth charged launched by USS Greer did not damage U-652. The torpedoes aimed at USS Greer represented the first German attack on a US warship. ‘From now on,’ declared President Roosevelt, ‘if German or Italian vessels of war enter these waters, they do so at their own peril.’ With Roosevelt’s words, an undeclared state of war existed between the United States and Germany in the North Atlantic.
France : The first Lysander mission to France took place when a British SOE (Special Operations Executive) agent was landed in a field near Issoudun, France, about 100 kilometers south of Orleans, and another was collected. The Lysander aircraft, painted matte black, spent just two minutes on the ground.
London : Canadian Prime Minister William MacKenzie King , visiting London , warned today that Britain is the only obstacle in the way of attack by Hitler’s “enslaving hordes of new barbarians on New World” He makes a plea for US to make declaretion of support for Britain similar to Churchill for Americans in Far East.
wow man u know a lot gg
I love this channel. 🖤
This reminds me of a TV programme in the 1960s here in the UK; every week a presenter named Brian Inglis would introduce the show saying 25 yrs ago this is what was happening in the war. I think the show was called ‘All our yesterdays’.
Damn, we've been here for two whole years. Who knows when the war will end!
They say it should be over before Christmas.
Happy birthday guys!
Where's the tie comment? This is a great one! Silky. Nice pairing with the maroon vest and blue shirt too.
For the old school Call of Duty fans out there, a little trivia fact for you. Coincidentally this week on September 2, 1941 was the earliest Call of Duty mission to take place, Sergeant James Doyle's bombing campaign over the English Channel...
It was not the gauge - that could be changed with unskilled labor. It was the size/range of Russian locomotives.
There was almost twice the distance between refuel/water stations in Russian pre-39 borders.
[The Baltics, Eastern Poland, and Bessarabia had not yet been converted to Soviet.]
What was unplanned is the need to build additional stations between each existing station from scratch.
Also, German rear area troops were stealing supplies from frontline bound trains until the Wehrmacht started hanging them.
And it was commented that German troops liked nothing more than shooting Russian locomotives despite orders to capture them.
- From a report written in 1946 for the US Army by the German responsible for the railways in the east - declassified in 1996.
The gauge myth is one that any rail worker knows to be wrong...
Very interesting comment about Russian locomotives. It explains a lot. Can you recommend a good book on rail operations on the Eastern Front? I’m a retired New Zealand engineman.
Happy Birthday to you! Happy Birthday to you! Happy Birthday to the War! Happy Birthday to you!
/480 Katjusha rockets blow out the candles
It actually is my birthday
random fan fact about WW2 : About 2 days ago i found out that the last battle between Greeks and Axis was a successful raid on the island of Rhodos ( performed by Ieros lohos , the first Greek spec ops unit , against some Italo - German companies that had set up some camps with cannon and AAs in the north west part of the islands ) .The reason why i am so surprised by this raid , is because it happent in 2nd May 1945 ... yeah kinda late .
by the way this raid and the fall of berlin on the same day led to the german commander to surrender all of his forces in Dodecanese on 8th of May 1945
I always support this channel, especially after you make a documentary about indonesia war of independent. Cheers from Indonesia. :)
Wait a minute. Is that the Millennium Falcon on top of the shelve?
Yes.
Nice that you include the allies of germany! I think Rumania did a pretty good job at the start, because the russians hadent got good infantery weapons either.
Thank you for covering the german allies, very interesting topic that often gets overlooked!
😁 cool that you mentioned the shetland bus. I was working at Luna were the Norwegians trained earlier this month still ammo boxes in voe.
Worst. Birthday. Ever.
stepping in lego bricks can be worse.🤕
Today is my bday too.
Does anyone else see the millennium falcon on top of the shelf
Yes.
Yes!
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
Wunderwaffen.
I've been studying WW@2 for almost 40 years and it always amazes me how each front, each and everyone, was basically a war in and itself. I did a little research on casualties and concluded that about, on average, 14,000,000 died each year. The next 8 bloodiest wars total yearly average was around 8,000,000. I haven't had a chance to look at % of earth's surface that each of the top 10 wars covered but hopefully I'll get to it soon.
If you do calculate that figure please let me know what the result is!
love when Indys covers the logistics of the war
Indy, I do appreciate your coments, but just one small remark - please don't pronounce "Stavka" as "shtavka", the letter "S" at the beginning of this word has the same pronounciation as is used e.g. for Soviet leadear's name - you do not name him "Shtalin"...
I'm well aware of that (by now), but these episodes are not filmed the same week they come out.
thank you guys for keeping the main episodes SFW and putting all the NSFW images in the War Against Humanity series
re: the Shetland Bus. A visit to Scalloway should be a must to every WWII history buff. Most of the infrastructure is still there, the shed that was their dormitory. one of the dry docks and boat rails. The town is really nice, but not much larger or changed. You can feel how such a small place had such a large impact on the war. Shetland and Orkney also have the most accessible neo-lithic sites in the UK. It's also pretty cool driving to or from the Jarlshof site to have to stop while planes land and take off across the road.