NOW (!!!!) I have recognized the mistake I did years ago by assigning some inputs to a group and not un-assigning them in the LR. I was getting the typical phaser-like effect. I was able to solve this only by resetting the entire mix. *slapping my forehead* EXCELLENT LESSON! Thank you Rob!
Wow! I’m so glad i could help. You are absolutely right... that phaser-effect sounds is a tell-tale sign of two sound sources creating a conflict. Thx for sharing your success, i appreciate hearing it!
@8:26 you turn off the Mix Sends Group 3-4 to L/R mains. By doing this and leaving the 1-8 channels selected on the L/R mains (vs deselecting them) will you get the same sound versus having it go twice through the L/R? I could then use Group 3-4 for sending to a monitor channel? Is there a better way to do this versus sending each drum to a monitor channel or am I on the right track with grouping them?
Hello Bob. This video instruction is very helpful for my QU24 setting. I was looking for all other video, but there is non like you do. It taught me very clear to learn about setting subgroup, especially drum kit set. Thank you again.
Hi Rob, Thanks for the tutorial on groups for the Qu32. This is the first video I've found that really helped me understand the groups on this mixer. Regards, Jeff
Dear Bob. Thanks for your video. Always I enjoy your classes. It show me process and workflow in an easy way. Still working and prepare more videos, please! You are a good teacher as well as a good engineer. Congratulations. Greetings from Medellin, Colombia.
Dear Bob, thank you for your very clear and well paced videos. We have just bought a QU-24 for our Church and I have very little idea how to use it. Your videos are of great help. Thanks from across the pond.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 It's still very much work in progress. Regarding groups, I'm trying to work out how to block the channel assigns from scene changes. Do you know if this is possible?
You have two areas for filters when changing scenes. GLOBAL filters will apply to all scenes…its the center tab at the top of the lcd screen. Second, each scene can be assigned its own filters that apply to that specific scene only. Its the Filter button to the right of each scene name
Understood, but which filter button do I need to change from assign to block, specifically to prevent the channel assigns from being overridden - I (think) I have tried all of them to no avail - the scene change just resets the assign.
Hi Rob . Thanks for the clear, concise videos!! 2 days in a row I was A2 for some heavy hitters here in TO and both were stumped by the non intuitive workflow ( at first ) on this desk. I am familiar w/ some of the symbols like their pan for stereo symbol but they were confused. This is why I am taking your tutorials in prep. Do you have a link so I dont have to search for all the vids pertaining to this particular console? Thanks in advance and extra thanks for existing !
Thx. Glad you found it helpful. If you simply click my name below the video, it will take you to my YT channel page (as with any video). On my channel page just click the “Videos” menu for a full list
Thanks for explaining so thoroughly! Isn’t post fader in this case doing the following: When you turn down the group signal in the LR mix, the group signal in the other mixes will be after the aforementioned LR-fader? Would be nice if you can clarify that! You’re so helpful
Thx. Glad to hear you found the info helpful. If I understand your question correctly, the short answer is yes. When you send channels to a group as post-fader then you are affecting the overall signal of that group. If that group is then routed to several mixes, any change you make using the original channels of the groups will be heard everywhere that group is sent.
Thank you so much for this clarification. Also wanted to ask. Can’t we also leave both the sub group drum kit for parallel compression and still allow the drum kits for example going to LR. To kinda create a parallel compression thingy or is there a better way to do this. Open to hear suggestions
Glad you found it helpful. Yes you could technically leave both the sub group and LR assignments you simply need to be aware of the impact of each. Theres always the possibility of phase cancellation etc. Also depends on your goals for parr comp for diff ways to do it. Its easier when routing is direct only but its always something to investigate.
I just need to mute about a dozen channels (the band) while speaking mics are on... I would assign them to a group and make a soft key to do that? How?
Yes you could assign channels to a group and mute that group with a softkey. If Mute is actually the only function you need then Its probably easier however to simply use a mute-group.
Hello Rob Is there a way to route one of the mix channels to be controlled with the LR main slider, so if I move the vol of the mains up, so too will the mix
Yes its is. With any group selected (using the blue right hand buttons) simply press the PAFL key above the master fader. PAFL sends that channel to headphones
No. typically when using mixes these are outputs that are additional to LR … eg a monitor mix etc. You do want that channel signal to go both LR and the monitor mix
hi sorry for my english. I buy this qu16. I put to IN chanel 1 et out loud speaker to OUT 1. I not have sound to out with my shure sm58. i dont know how to configured. have you a simple video to make programme input and output pleaser ?
If you have connected your speaker to the output that’s actually numbered “1” that is probably aux/mix 1 output. Assuming you actually want main speakers then you need to connect to the jacks labeled L(left) or R(right)
Sorry no. the qu16 does not have subgroups. If feedback is your concern then that is best handled by the EQ. Find and notch out the offending freq using either the channel EQ or the master EQ for that mix
I’m using headphones a lot during live- there’s only one HP out in this console- and I believe this is for general PAFL? What if I like to listen only to the specific group? For example I want to shift back and forth from the Live stream group and then to all FX groups only? Where to plug the headphones for these particular groups? thanks!
Thx Tony. Unfortunately the qu series isn’t capable of running in tandem. The cat cable connection is only for the AR series dsnake boxes or a standard network connection to a router for iPad control
hi Rob. i have a job with a sq who wants to work in tandem with my qu32. I have seen that with sq it is possible. I wanted to ask you if I can send over ch1 / 32 also the channels st1 and st2 to have 36ch?
Hi Rob, I hope you’re doing great. Thanks for the tutorial. I’m using a similar setup. Live House L/R, and there’s other group/mix that goes to live stream. I am listening to this online livestream simultaneously (once in a while to check how it sounds in CZcams) while doing the house mix. I noticed that in one of the microphone channel, in the main house mix (auditorium), the mic fader is way below the unity 0- actually near that label -20b . That’s the sweet spot, and it sounded okay, loud enough and prone to feedback once I bump it further. But in streaming mix output, I have to raise the level up to be heard in youtube properly, fader reached the maximum already, reached the topmost fader position. That level gap of fader for stream mix as compared to live house L/R mix is just a lot. How is this channel or mic like this? What am I missing? My gain staging is properly done, peaking zero at meter. Thanks!
Since you have set gain staging correctly, your description sounds like you have to boost the mix level for the channel because the LR fader for that channel is set low. This would indicate that the the mix is set as post fader and should be set as prefader. I do have another video on Pre and Post settings.
Not sure i understand your question, but the main fader for a mix including LR is the fader farthest to the right on the mixer. It changes based on your mix selection. Eg. When Mix1 is selected, that fader is the master output fader for Mix1
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Oh my.. I didn’t know that seriously. I thought this right most fader is exclusively controlling general console’s “master L/R” of the house mix so I never touched that and always kept at zero. Thanks for enlightening me about it! I always thought it is a separate fader on its own that is not associated with any groupings. I’m learning a lot here, thanks!
Hi Bob Thanks for this, got to mix a pink Floyd tribute band in the Qu16 for first time. Hopefully following this is the same on the 16. Thanks for the help. Cheers Bob.
dsnake output patching is done from the I/O tab. Simply touch/highlight the output port you want to use, then use the encoder dial to change that output to the group you want to use. See pg73 in the AH QU manual www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu-Mixer-Reference-Guide-AP9372_10.pdf
Great question Tobi. The funtion you are looking for is called “linking”. Press sel for ch1, then choose the Processing screen. In the first tab for the channel name etc you should see a button “Not Linked CH1-2”. This is telling you that channel 1 and 2 are not linked. Press this button to link CH 1 and 2. NOTE: the first ch in any linked pair is always the ODD number. Eg. You can link ch1+2 or ch3+4 but you cannot link ch2+3. Hope this helps
Does this video assume I’ve already set the board up a certain way? I’m learning on a fresh scene, factory settings, and I don’t have the same startup state/my button presses don’t quite lead me to the same menus. Are the 32 you’re working on and the 24 I’m on just that much different?
I don’t think anything I did here would require a specific pre-setup. Where exactly are you having an issue? I was using the qu32 but the software is identical on all the qu series. The 32 has 4 groups while the 24 has 2
Thanks for the quick response. I put the mixer away after figuring out my setup, turns out I don’t need to use a group or matrix mixes like I thought. From looking at the video one more time, I think what I was forgetting to do was select the main fader before choosing L/R or Group/mix #
Hey rob, I recently come across your channel after buying a Qu-Pac and almost sending it back as I didn't get on with it at first, but after watching your videos I have really got into it, and I really love it now. Just a question regarding this group/mix option. Suppose I wanted to take group 1-2 and have it as a mix for an extra stereo monitor send, I assume I would need a AR24 (or similar) if all my physical outs are used up? Or suppose mono mix 3 and 4 aren't being used, I couldn't send this new stereo mix to those outs right? Could Alt Stereo out be used? I am still learning about the Qu-Pac so apologies if this is obvious.
Thx Stephen and great news on your success with the qu pac. All the qu series are great gear that offer lots of options. To your question…yes, if all your mix outputs are in use you will need an expander to access group outputs regardless of those being a group or a mix. As you note the qu pac does not have physical group outputs. If mix3-4 are not used, you should be able to re-route the group output to those physical outputs. It “may” be possible to use Alt but you would need to confirm that the group output can be routed there.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Thought so. I'll set it up tomorrow and have look into putting group 1/2, or 3/4 into Alt or the mono mix out 3-4... It's no big deal really, as with the band I use the Qu-Pac for we're actually not even getting close to using all outs.. I still have plenty without. But I am thinking if I was in a situation with a bunch of extra muso who had their one IEMS systems, or I wanted to feed a house system as well as ours. The big thing that sold me on this desk when I eventually took it on a gig, compared to what I had (X18) was the sound difference. It was night and day!
I can in fact send any of the 4 groups into Alt Stereo out. So if it was set as Mix, that would give me a 4th stereo aux monitor mix. But if sent to mix 2 and 3 they would be mono still? Would there be a way to send the left side of group 1 and 2 for example (if set to mix) to mono out 3 and the right side to aux 4 thus giving me a stereo mix on 3 and 4? Again, I’m just wood shedding here.
Hey Rob, thanks so much for such great information. I am doing a live theater production with 15 wireless mics. I want to be able to raise all mics as a chorus with 1 fader and then use individual channels to highlight individual voices as they are singing the solo's or giving lines. What kind of routing would be appropriate: DCA, sub group, mix? Btw not using monitors other than music reinforcements for stage. No vocals going to monitors :)
Thx. I also work in a theatre with 15 wireless LOL. A DCA will give that remote control of the faders as a single control. You only need a subgroup if you need to further process the audio.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 awesome. So with the DCA when I push it up does it affect the faders of all the channels manually or is it basically a hidden sublayer? I hope that makes sense
Super helpful video, thanks a lot! Things can get complicated fast when messing around with routing. I guess there is no way to reassign the Subgroup Master Fader to control the send to another mix than L/R, correct me if i'm wrong! Looking forward to the video concerning Matrixes. Thanks again.
Thx! Glad you found it helpful. Actually you can send a subgroup to any mix output including LR. Select the subgroup blue button. Open the routing screen. Select the Mix Sends tab. Not only can you choose to turn the sends on or off, they can also set as per or post as well as panning on stereo mixes. NOTE. This only applies when your subgroup is set to be a group ( first tab). If set as a mix, you will see all sends are greyed-out when you choose the Mix Sends tab
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Yes, I'm successfully sending subroups to any mixes, was just wondering if there was a way to change the subgroup's master fader's function - but it's not a biggie! Thanks anyway! Your videos are very clear and well thought out.
So, let's say i have my main faders sending to L/R, and i also have those same faders assigned to a group and that group of course is sending back to L/R. What kind of issues would i hear? Also, assuming the same setup, is the PEQ for each channel completely separate for the main fader and the group fader? I'm wondering if it's possible to run two different eq's in this setup simultaneously... and yes, i'm aware that would be a total nightmare. OR is this scenario only allow one PEQ per channel, no matter if it's in a group or not? Kinda wondering how all that plays together (whether it be PEQ, gates, duckers, etc,).
Sorry but in the QU series you cannot run an output (eg. LR or a mix) into a group. Groups are for inputs only. You can however assign outputs to a matrix, (just not on a QU16 - all others have matrix)
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 I didn't phrase my question correctly, and I apologize. Watching your video, starting at 4:42 and going through to about 6:45, you talk about assigning channels to groups, and mention that it's important to go back to your main L/R mix and UNassign those channels from the main mix... otherwise you'll send audio from the main mix to L/R and ALSO send audio from your subgroup to the L/R (essentially, two sets of audio). My first question is... if i did that, what would the band sound like coming from the PA? Would there be phase cancellation? Maybe just a little 'doubling' sound? My second question - Let's say i did not UNassign those channels like i'm supposed to. If i make changes to the PEQ on a channel in the subgroup, will those same changes appear on the channel in the main mix? Kinda wondering if your subgroup channels get their own PEQ (and other effects) completely separate from the main inputs.
Yes you “could” hear a slight doubling effect or maybe a chorusing effect depending on the timing of the signals. Yes you “could” get phase cancellation which can manifest as several different “effects”. What’s more likely is that you reduce the levels of the “group” but hear almost no difference because the channel input is also being fed to LR…that can be quite confusing in the heat of a live show. Q2: Yes. PEQ is a single process on each channel. There are no seperate EQ’s per channel for each output…jus the one. Any change is heard everywhere.
Hi Bob, thanks for the video. I have a question. I want to use a group for streaming. I want to change the group to a mix, and go from the back of the QU32 to a Atem Mini Pro. Would that work for streaming?
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Hi Bob, I used Matrix to setup my streaming, then decided to use a group as a mix to have more control over the volume of each channel using an Atem Mini Pro. And this works very well. The only question I have is, when I first set it up with the Matrix, the effects in the live streaming sounded nice. I Know the Matrix is a copy of the L&R, but for some reason now that I have it setup as a mix, the effects dont come out in the streaming. What am I doing wrong?
You dont have to unassign channels in sends if they are in a group. You might want to send the group to one send but only one channel in that group to a different send. If its turned down in the send it should be enough. Its not going to double in the same way it does in L/R
That might be possible with 2 scenes, but then you’re actually “dividing AMM into groups” or creating “multiple AMM”. Changing scenes would simply be 2 diff setups of one AMM
Hi Rob We just installed the QU 32 and are trying to figure out how to configure the outputs so that we have a third main out since our sanctuary seating is in a horse shoe shape we have three hanging speakers to fill the area, Im sure there is a way Thanks for your help
Welcome to the QU. I’m guessing your are running L and R to each side so just need a center control. I would suggest using a matrix with only LR outputs assigned.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 yes right now we only have left right but need that center speaker in the cluster to fill in. So if I plug the third speaker output into a matrix output and then reassign it to main LR all three will be under the LR master? This digital is all new coming from an old analog Mackie but we are trying to learn!
Yes you must assign LR to the matrix you choose to use. Be sure to unassigned any other outputs to that matrix so it’s only LR. Control will follow LR as long as you assign it as post fader. (I do have another video that details pre and post fader)
Just another though…. You could simplify your setup by sending the LR output to all three amps powering those three speakers. Assuming you don’t need or want 3 separate level controls
Technically yes. Add compression to the subgroup. Just remember, if you first add compression to any actual drum channel you will be doubling up. It can be tricky and not as straight forward as some board that provide an actual parr compressor. That’s why I say “technically”
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thanks for the quick reply! isnt there a Pre/post button on the channel group sends? im not in front of the QU SB at the moment so i cant remember but i will be on the look out next time i am
Yes the group can be set as pre or post as well but I’m not sure I understand you question. All that option will decide is if the group signal get sent to the output as pre or post of that group fader
Ahh… sorry no. Channel source (pre-post eq etc) can only be assigned if you change a group into mix mode. Eg. Make a group operate as any other mix does, when you need more mixes
There is no RTA button. however RT is displayed on the “meters” page. Personally I use the Audio Tools app on my phone for RTA. much easier to see and use
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thank you so much! Quick question; can i connect my phone to the mixer output and use RTA from the mixer’s signal ? Or should i use the phone microphone ?
Aloha from Hawaii! So just a question.. Is there a way to send a Mix to a Group, then the Group to a Matrix. We are trying to level out our livestream/broadcast audio. We were planning to put vocals in one group, and instruments in another group. Our hopes was to be able to adjust an entire group-mix level by raise all vocals or lowering all instruments all together. We’re currently going from Mix 5-6, out to a Matrix 1-2, which goes out to our live. My assumption is that I would set the Group to a Post mix? That way, the adjustments we are making in Mix 5-6, will also adjust in the Group; which the Group will send to Matrix 1-2? Essentially we want to go Mix 5-6 > Groups 1-2 (vocals) & 3-4 (instruments) > Matrix If there is a better method, I’m all ears (pun intended).
Thx for the question. Unfortunately the QU series does not allow sending an output to another output - so you cant send a mix to a group. You can however send a group to a matrix no problem. If you just want the ability to control all vocals or all instruments then a DCA would accomplish that
You could assign all vocals to a group and all instruments to another group, then assign both those groups to a single matrix. The matrix would give you a single master fader for both groups. The group master would retain control over all vocals or all instruments
Thank you for the reply!! I was thinking about using DCA, but then I realize that it wouldn’t allow me to add Compression. I’m even thinking of utilizing three(3) Groups: • Drums/Cajon • Keys/Guitar/Bass • Vocals I definitely pan most vocals and instruments to create that stereo feel for our livestream. My thought process was, Compress individual channels(if needed), then be able to Compress each Group, then to send the mix to a Matrix for the last output (and slightly compressing if needed). Soo, in that case. Would I just mix the audio from each individual Group, and just send the mix straight to the Matrix? Thus skipping the use of Mix 5-6?
Quite right. DCA is a fader remote control only so no audio to process (like compression etc). To use compression you do need to use a group. If you have a qu32 then you have several groups to use. A group doesnt give you individual channel control just one single audio signal combining all channels assigned to the group. (Sidenote, groups can be converted to mixes if you want to create a separate mix). Your 3 groups can then be assigned to matrix for a master control. No need for Mix5-6 unless as I said, you specifically wanted create a completely seperate mix.
NOW (!!!!) I have recognized the mistake I did years ago by assigning some inputs to a group and not un-assigning them in the LR. I was getting the typical phaser-like effect. I was able to solve this only by resetting the entire mix. *slapping my forehead* EXCELLENT LESSON! Thank you Rob!
Wow! I’m so glad i could help. You are absolutely right... that phaser-effect sounds is a tell-tale sign of two sound sources creating a conflict. Thx for sharing your success, i appreciate hearing it!
@8:26 you turn off the Mix Sends Group 3-4 to L/R mains. By doing this and leaving the 1-8 channels selected on the L/R mains (vs deselecting them) will you get the same sound versus having it go twice through the L/R? I could then use Group 3-4 for sending to a monitor channel? Is there a better way to do this versus sending each drum to a monitor channel or am I on the right track with grouping them?
"We appreciate you being part of the group here" no pun intended right? 😂
Love all of these QU videos, extremely helpful and done at a good pace!
Thx very much. Glad they are helpful
This was just in time. Thank you
Hello Bob. This video instruction is very helpful for my QU24 setting. I was looking for all other video, but there is non like you do. It taught me very clear to learn about setting subgroup, especially drum kit set. Thank you again.
Just wanted to say thanks for all the videos that you do. They have been a great help for me!!!! Great job on making the content easy to understand!!!
Thx for the kind feedback. Glad it’s been helpful
Hi Rob,
Thanks for the tutorial on groups for the Qu32. This is the first video I've found that really helped me understand the groups on this mixer.
Regards,
Jeff
Thx Jeff. Glad it was helpful
Dear Bob. Thanks for your video. Always I enjoy your classes. It show me process and workflow in an easy way. Still working and prepare more videos, please!
You are a good teacher as well as a good engineer. Congratulations.
Greetings from Medellin, Colombia.
Thx very much foe the kind words. Glad you found it helpful.
Excellent training for me - Thank you.
Very nice tutorial- that helps a bunch to understand groups
You are the BEST. THANK YOU so much.
Thx very much. Glad you found it helpful
Straight and easy to understand video thanks Rob
Thx
Very good thank you. you are good at nailing the point home and explaining clearly thank you
Thx. Glad you found it helpful
Great Stuff my man!!
Thx. Glad you found it helpful
Dear Bob, thank you for your very clear and well paced videos. We have just bought a QU-24 for our Church and I have very little idea how to use it. Your videos are of great help. Thanks from across the pond.
Thx for the kind words Bob. Let me know how you get on
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 It's still very much work in progress. Regarding groups, I'm trying to work out how to block the channel assigns from scene changes. Do you know if this is possible?
You have two areas for filters when changing scenes. GLOBAL filters will apply to all scenes…its the center tab at the top of the lcd screen. Second, each scene can be assigned its own filters that apply to that specific scene only. Its the Filter button to the right of each scene name
Understood, but which filter button do I need to change from assign to block, specifically to prevent the channel assigns from being overridden - I (think) I have tried all of them to no avail - the scene change just resets the assign.
Sorry I don’t see a way to specifically filter channel assigments
I have the 16 and 32 and super simple tu use and understand. If I had to do an upgrade would be on the app
Hi Rob . Thanks for the clear, concise videos!! 2 days in a row I was A2 for some heavy hitters here in TO and both were stumped by the non intuitive workflow ( at first ) on this desk. I am familiar w/ some of the symbols like their pan for stereo symbol but they were confused. This is why I am taking your tutorials in prep.
Do you have a link so I dont have to search for all the vids pertaining to this particular console?
Thanks in advance and extra thanks for existing !
Thx. Glad you found it helpful. If you simply click my name below the video, it will take you to my YT channel page (as with any video). On my channel page just click the “Videos” menu for a full list
Thank you sir
thank you!
Thanks for explaining so thoroughly! Isn’t post fader in this case doing the following: When you turn down the group signal in the LR mix, the group signal in the other mixes will be after the aforementioned LR-fader?
Would be nice if you can clarify that! You’re so helpful
Thx. Glad to hear you found the info helpful. If I understand your question correctly, the short answer is yes. When you send channels to a group as post-fader then you are affecting the overall signal of that group. If that group is then routed to several mixes, any change you make using the original channels of the groups will be heard everywhere that group is sent.
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Thank you so much for this clarification. Also wanted to ask. Can’t we also leave both the sub group drum kit for parallel compression and still allow the drum kits for example going to LR. To kinda create a parallel compression thingy or is there a better way to do this. Open to hear suggestions
Glad you found it helpful. Yes you could technically leave both the sub group and LR assignments you simply need to be aware of the impact of each. Theres always the possibility of phase cancellation etc. Also depends on your goals for parr comp for diff ways to do it. Its easier when routing is direct only but its always something to investigate.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thank you 🙏🏾 is there a better way to do parallel compression on the qu-32 than what I had wrote?
I just need to mute about a dozen channels (the band) while speaking mics are on... I would assign them to a group and make a soft key to do that? How?
Yes you could assign channels to a group and mute that group with a softkey. If Mute is actually the only function you need then Its probably easier however to simply use a mute-group.
Hello Rob
Is there a way to route one of the mix channels to be controlled with the LR main slider, so if I move the vol of the mains up, so too will the mix
Yes. Check out my video on Pre and Post processing. A Mix set as post will follow the LR. Otherwise use a matrix (I have a video on matrix as well)
Great video 👍 Question: is it possible for me to monitor a group via headphones on the QU32 desk ?
Yes its is. With any group selected (using the blue right hand buttons) simply press the PAFL key above the master fader. PAFL sends that channel to headphones
when assigning mixes do you also have to un-assign those channels from left and right. the same as you do with Groups.
No. typically when using mixes these are outputs that are additional to LR … eg a monitor mix etc. You do want that channel signal to go both LR and the monitor mix
hi sorry for my english. I buy this qu16. I put to IN chanel 1 et out loud speaker to OUT 1. I not have sound to out with my shure sm58. i dont know how to configured. have you a simple video to make programme input and output pleaser ?
If you have connected your speaker to the output that’s actually numbered “1” that is probably aux/mix 1 output. Assuming you actually want main speakers then you need to connect to the jacks labeled L(left) or R(right)
Does the QU-16 have subgroups? Having a hard time with feedback. I would like to group vocals in a bus for more processing and send the bus to L&R
Sorry no. the qu16 does not have subgroups. If feedback is your concern then that is best handled by the EQ. Find and notch out the offending freq using either the channel EQ or the master EQ for that mix
I’m using headphones a lot during live- there’s only one HP out in this console- and I believe this is for general PAFL? What if I like to listen only to the specific group? For example I want to shift back and forth from the Live stream group and then to all FX groups only? Where to plug the headphones for these particular groups? thanks!
The source for the hp on the QU are determined by the PAFL. Simply select the group then select PAFL
Hi bob thanks fo your video. Do you know if it's possible to split two mixers of qu series with a cat cable?
Thx Tony. Unfortunately the qu series isn’t capable of running in tandem. The cat cable connection is only for the AR series dsnake boxes or a standard network connection to a router for iPad control
hi Rob. i have a job with a sq who wants to work in tandem with my qu32. I have seen that with sq it is possible. I wanted to ask you if I can send over ch1 / 32 also the channels st1 and st2 to have 36ch?
Havent had opportunity to actually test this myself. Best i can offer is the AH video. czcams.com/video/t43S86aSMTg/video.html
Is there a way to link 2 channels together? For example linking input 7 and 8 together so when i move the fader on 7, 8 changes as well?
Sure. On the channel processing screen you should see the button for Linking 2 channels
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thanks! Was right in front of my face the whole time 😂
Hi Rob, I hope you’re doing great. Thanks for the tutorial. I’m using a similar setup. Live House L/R, and there’s other group/mix that goes to live stream. I am listening to this online livestream simultaneously (once in a while to check how it sounds in CZcams) while doing the house mix.
I noticed that in one of the microphone channel, in the main house mix (auditorium), the mic fader is way below the unity 0- actually near that label -20b . That’s the sweet spot, and it sounded okay, loud enough and prone to feedback once I bump it further.
But in streaming mix output, I have to raise the level up to be heard in youtube properly, fader reached the maximum already, reached the topmost fader position. That level gap of fader for stream mix as compared to live house L/R mix is just a lot. How is this channel or mic like this? What am I missing? My gain staging is properly done, peaking zero at meter. Thanks!
Since you have set gain staging correctly, your description sounds like you have to boost the mix level for the channel because the LR fader for that channel is set low. This would indicate that the the mix is set as post fader and should be set as prefader. I do have another video on Pre and Post settings.
Thank you! Where is the fader control for main gain or level for mix/ group found? Example in my live stream mix channel, Thanks!
Not sure i understand your question, but the main fader for a mix including LR is the fader farthest to the right on the mixer. It changes based on your mix selection. Eg. When Mix1 is selected, that fader is the master output fader for Mix1
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Oh my.. I didn’t know that seriously. I thought this right most fader is exclusively controlling general console’s “master L/R” of the house mix so I never touched that and always kept at zero. Thanks for enlightening me about it!
I always thought it is a separate fader on its own that is not associated with any groupings. I’m learning a lot here, thanks!
Hi Bob Thanks for this, got to mix a pink Floyd tribute band in the Qu16 for first time. Hopefully following this is the same on the 16. Thanks for the help. Cheers Bob.
Great. unfortunately the qu16 does not offer groups… only the 24 and 32
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Hi didn't know that. Many thanks 😊
how do you patch outputs on a dsnake if you decide to use the groups as a new mix bus?
dsnake output patching is done from the I/O tab. Simply touch/highlight the output port you want to use, then use the encoder dial to change that output to the group you want to use. See pg73 in the AH QU manual www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu-Mixer-Reference-Guide-AP9372_10.pdf
Hi Rob, I'm trying to pair two channels/sliders so that when I move one it moves the other. How would I do that?
Great question Tobi. The funtion you are looking for is called “linking”. Press sel for ch1, then choose the Processing screen. In the first tab for the channel name etc you should see a button “Not Linked CH1-2”. This is telling you that channel 1 and 2 are not linked. Press this button to link CH 1 and 2. NOTE: the first ch in any linked pair is always the ODD number. Eg. You can link ch1+2 or ch3+4 but you cannot link ch2+3. Hope this helps
On the QU 32 where is the output level control for the alt out?
Should be the dial knob just below the headphone jack
Does this video assume I’ve already set the board up a certain way? I’m learning on a fresh scene, factory settings, and I don’t have the same startup state/my button presses don’t quite lead me to the same menus. Are the 32 you’re working on and the 24 I’m on just that much different?
I don’t think anything I did here would require a specific pre-setup. Where exactly are you having an issue? I was using the qu32 but the software is identical on all the qu series. The 32 has 4 groups while the 24 has 2
Thanks for the quick response. I put the mixer away after figuring out my setup, turns out I don’t need to use a group or matrix mixes like I thought. From looking at the video one more time, I think what I was forgetting to do was select the main fader before choosing L/R or Group/mix #
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 this is very very very (did I say very?) useful
Thx Ryan. I appreciate the feedback..
Hey rob, I recently come across your channel after buying a Qu-Pac and almost sending it back as I didn't get on with it at first, but after watching your videos I have really got into it, and I really love it now.
Just a question regarding this group/mix option. Suppose I wanted to take group 1-2 and have it as a mix for an extra stereo monitor send, I assume I would need a AR24 (or similar) if all my physical outs are used up? Or suppose mono mix 3 and 4 aren't being used, I couldn't send this new stereo mix to those outs right? Could Alt Stereo out be used? I am still learning about the Qu-Pac so apologies if this is obvious.
Thx Stephen and great news on your success with the qu pac. All the qu series are great gear that offer lots of options.
To your question…yes, if all your mix outputs are in use you will need an expander to access group outputs regardless of those being a group or a mix. As you note the qu pac does not have physical group outputs. If mix3-4 are not used, you should be able to re-route the group output to those physical outputs. It “may” be possible to use Alt but you would need to confirm that the group output can be routed there.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Thought so. I'll set it up tomorrow and have look into putting group 1/2, or 3/4 into Alt or the mono mix out 3-4... It's no big deal really, as with the band I use the Qu-Pac for we're actually not even getting close to using all outs.. I still have plenty without. But I am thinking if I was in a situation with a bunch of extra muso who had their one IEMS systems, or I wanted to feed a house system as well as ours.
The big thing that sold me on this desk when I eventually took it on a gig, compared to what I had (X18) was the sound difference. It was night and day!
I can in fact send any of the 4 groups into Alt Stereo out. So if it was set as Mix, that would give me a 4th stereo aux monitor mix.
But if sent to mix 2 and 3 they would be mono still? Would there be a way to send the left side of group 1 and 2 for example (if set to mix) to mono out 3 and the right side to aux 4 thus giving me a stereo mix on 3 and 4?
Again, I’m just wood shedding here.
Sorry the mono mix will still be mono
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No worries rob! 4 mono and 4 stereo mixes on the unit without the need for an expansion box is still plenty for most set ups.
Thank you for this video Bob! Extremely useful for uni students!
Thx for the feedback. Glad you found it helpful
can we use a group send as two separate mono sends for monitors?
Sorry no. The groups are stereo sends and cant be separated into 2 mono sends. Best you could do is use the pan function to simulate mono sends
Hey Rob, I have a 24. Is there anyway you can help me with it. Just a few touch ups. Ty
How can I help
Hey Rob, thanks so much for such great information. I am doing a live theater production with 15 wireless mics. I want to be able to raise all mics as a chorus with 1 fader and then use individual channels to highlight individual voices as they are singing the solo's or giving lines. What kind of routing would be appropriate: DCA, sub group, mix? Btw not using monitors other than music reinforcements for stage. No vocals going to monitors :)
Thx. I also work in a theatre with 15 wireless LOL. A DCA will give that remote control of the faders as a single control. You only need a subgroup if you need to further process the audio.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 awesome. So with the DCA when I push it up does it affect the faders of all the channels manually or is it basically a hidden sublayer? I hope that makes sense
A DCA is like using 15 fingers to adjust all those faders as a unit
Got it i will try that out thanks
Super helpful video, thanks a lot! Things can get complicated fast when messing around with routing. I guess there is no way to reassign the Subgroup Master Fader to control the send to another mix than L/R, correct me if i'm wrong! Looking forward to the video concerning Matrixes. Thanks again.
Thx! Glad you found it helpful. Actually you can send a subgroup to any mix output including LR. Select the subgroup blue button. Open the routing screen. Select the Mix Sends tab. Not only can you choose to turn the sends on or off, they can also set as per or post as well as panning on stereo mixes. NOTE. This only applies when your subgroup is set to be a group ( first tab). If set as a mix, you will see all sends are greyed-out when you choose the Mix Sends tab
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Yes, I'm successfully sending subroups to any mixes, was just wondering if there was a way to change the subgroup's master fader's function - but it's not a biggie! Thanks anyway! Your videos are very clear and well thought out.
I’m not aware of any way to change a subgroup master fader function
So, let's say i have my main faders sending to L/R, and i also have those same faders assigned to a group and that group of course is sending back to L/R. What kind of issues would i hear? Also, assuming the same setup, is the PEQ for each channel completely separate for the main fader and the group fader? I'm wondering if it's possible to run two different eq's in this setup simultaneously... and yes, i'm aware that would be a total nightmare. OR is this scenario only allow one PEQ per channel, no matter if it's in a group or not? Kinda wondering how all that plays together (whether it be PEQ, gates, duckers, etc,).
Sorry but in the QU series you cannot run an output (eg. LR or a mix) into a group. Groups are for inputs only. You can however assign outputs to a matrix, (just not on a QU16 - all others have matrix)
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 I didn't phrase my question correctly, and I apologize. Watching your video, starting at 4:42 and going through to about 6:45, you talk about assigning channels to groups, and mention that it's important to go back to your main L/R mix and UNassign those channels from the main mix... otherwise you'll send audio from the main mix to L/R and ALSO send audio from your subgroup to the L/R (essentially, two sets of audio). My first question is... if i did that, what would the band sound like coming from the PA? Would there be phase cancellation? Maybe just a little 'doubling' sound?
My second question - Let's say i did not UNassign those channels like i'm supposed to. If i make changes to the PEQ on a channel in the subgroup, will those same changes appear on the channel in the main mix? Kinda wondering if your subgroup channels get their own PEQ (and other effects) completely separate from the main inputs.
Yes you “could” hear a slight doubling effect or maybe a chorusing effect depending on the timing of the signals. Yes you “could” get phase cancellation which can manifest as several different “effects”. What’s more likely is that you reduce the levels of the “group” but hear almost no difference because the channel input is also being fed to LR…that can be quite confusing in the heat of a live show.
Q2: Yes. PEQ is a single process on each channel. There are no seperate EQ’s per channel for each output…jus the one. Any change is heard everywhere.
Thanks rob...
Can i do This in my Qu 16?
Because i cant assign my mixbus to LR.
Hope u will answer this question and thank you one more time. Gbu...
Sorry no…the qu16 does not have groups available…only the qu24 and q32
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thanks rob 👍👍🙏🙏
Hi Bob, thanks for the video. I have a question. I want to use a group for streaming. I want to change the group to a mix, and go from the back of the QU32 to a Atem Mini Pro. Would that work for streaming?
should work ok. you just need an adapter from XLR out of the qu32 to whatever input the Atem needs (i can’t remember)
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Hi Bob, I used Matrix to setup my streaming, then decided to use a group as a mix to have more control over the volume of each channel using an Atem Mini Pro. And this works very well. The only question I have is, when I first set it up with the Matrix, the effects in the live streaming sounded nice. I Know the Matrix is a copy of the L&R, but for some reason now that I have it setup as a mix, the effects dont come out in the streaming. What am I doing wrong?
Most likely you have not turned up the FXReturn in the mix you are using
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 I think thats already up, but I will double check. Thanks for your reply.
You dont have to unassign channels in sends if they are in a group. You might want to send the group to one send but only one channel in that group to a different send. If its turned down in the send it should be enough. Its not going to double in the same way it does in L/R
yep… lots of possibities
Is it possible to divide up the automixer into groups, essentially making multiple automixers?
Sorry no. The config for automix is predefined
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Maybe it can be altered/switched between two scenarios using scenes? Example: Trial room vs jury room deliberation.
That might be possible with 2 scenes, but then you’re actually “dividing AMM into groups” or creating “multiple AMM”. Changing scenes would simply be 2 diff setups of one AMM
Good sir micro tutorial
Hi Rob
We just installed the QU 32 and are trying to figure out how to configure the outputs so that we have a third main out since our sanctuary seating is in a horse shoe shape we have three hanging speakers to fill the area, Im sure there is a way
Thanks for your help
Welcome to the QU. I’m guessing your are running L and R to each side so just need a center control. I would suggest using a matrix with only LR outputs assigned.
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 yes right now we only have left right but need that center speaker in the cluster to fill in. So if I plug the third speaker output into a matrix output and then reassign it to main LR all three will be under the LR master? This digital is all new coming from an old analog Mackie but we are trying to learn!
Yes you must assign LR to the matrix you choose to use. Be sure to unassigned any other outputs to that matrix so it’s only LR. Control will follow LR as long as you assign it as post fader. (I do have another video that details pre and post fader)
Just another though…. You could simplify your setup by sending the LR output to all three amps powering those three speakers. Assuming you don’t need or want 3 separate level controls
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Ok I will try to tackle it when I get home today, thanks for the help!
Man give me analog any day!
By the time I learn this shit I'll be retired!
LOL…thx for watching
So if you don’t unassign the tracks to the LR bus you can essentially use a drum group bus as a parallel compressor right?
Technically yes. Add compression to the subgroup. Just remember, if you first add compression to any actual drum channel you will be doubling up. It can be tricky and not as straight forward as some board that provide an actual parr compressor. That’s why I say “technically”
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thanks for the quick reply! isnt there a Pre/post button on the channel group sends? im not in front of the QU SB at the moment so i cant remember but i will be on the look out next time i am
Yes the group can be set as pre or post as well but I’m not sure I understand you question. All that option will decide is if the group signal get sent to the output as pre or post of that group fader
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 i was asking if the send to group can be set pre EQ\Compressor
Ahh… sorry no. Channel source (pre-post eq etc) can only be assigned if you change a group into mix mode. Eg. Make a group operate as any other mix does, when you need more mixes
hi, is there any RTA button for EQ ? i need to frequencies. Thank you !
There is no RTA button. however RT is displayed on the “meters” page. Personally I use the Audio Tools app on my phone for RTA. much easier to see and use
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thank you so much! Quick question; can i connect my phone to the mixer output and use RTA from the mixer’s signal ? Or should i use the phone microphone ?
@@baveraydemir5758 Personally I just use my phone independently and therefore the phone mic and an RTAA app (Audio Tools)
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thank you for the info’s i really appreciate it!
Aloha from Hawaii!
So just a question.. Is there a way to send a Mix to a Group, then the Group to a Matrix. We are trying to level out our livestream/broadcast audio. We were planning to put vocals in one group, and instruments in another group. Our hopes was to be able to adjust an entire group-mix level by raise all vocals or lowering all instruments all together. We’re currently going from Mix 5-6, out to a Matrix 1-2, which goes out to our live.
My assumption is that I would set the Group to a Post mix? That way, the adjustments we are making in Mix 5-6, will also adjust in the Group; which the Group will send to Matrix 1-2?
Essentially we want to go
Mix 5-6 > Groups 1-2 (vocals) & 3-4 (instruments) > Matrix
If there is a better method, I’m all ears (pun intended).
Thx for the question. Unfortunately the QU series does not allow sending an output to another output - so you cant send a mix to a group. You can however send a group to a matrix no problem. If you just want the ability to control all vocals or all instruments then a DCA would accomplish that
You could assign all vocals to a group and all instruments to another group, then assign both those groups to a single matrix. The matrix would give you a single master fader for both groups. The group master would retain control over all vocals or all instruments
Thank you for the reply!!
I was thinking about using DCA, but then I realize that it wouldn’t allow me to add Compression. I’m even thinking of utilizing three(3) Groups:
• Drums/Cajon
• Keys/Guitar/Bass
• Vocals
I definitely pan most vocals and instruments to create that stereo feel for our livestream.
My thought process was, Compress individual channels(if needed), then be able to Compress each Group, then to send the mix to a Matrix for the last output (and slightly compressing if needed).
Soo, in that case. Would I just mix the audio from each individual Group, and just send the mix straight to the Matrix? Thus skipping the use of Mix 5-6?
Quite right. DCA is a fader remote control only so no audio to process (like compression etc). To use compression you do need to use a group. If you have a qu32 then you have several groups to use. A group doesnt give you individual channel control just one single audio signal combining all channels assigned to the group. (Sidenote, groups can be converted to mixes if you want to create a separate mix). Your 3 groups can then be assigned to matrix for a master control. No need for Mix5-6 unless as I said, you specifically wanted create a completely seperate mix.
Awesome! Thank you so much for your advice! 🤙🏽
Can you run group as mono and not stereo?
If you leave all the Panning at centre then there wouldn’t be any stereo separation. Essentially it would be mono
@@soundadvicewithrob3083 if i take the group L only .. would it act as a mono ?
Yes
Thanks Rob, good information, I am from Australia, would you have a contact that I can get in touch with you.much appreciated
Thx. Glad you found it helpful. Prob easiest to chat on messenger
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