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Great video. It is a bit surprising they are not (yet) scaleable to 6 tyres (at least) given that if you're towing a trailer or van, a flat there is the hardest to detect. Of which I was reminded when seeing a van tyre disintegrate near me on a motorway recently..... My feeling is that tyre temperature could be interesting, but the main purpose of these is to know you have a flat on the rear tyres, or trailer, on a paved road, where they are very difficult to detect from the drivers' seat.
Great to see you tread carefully with the internal sensors. They were not the let down you initially thought. It's a great responsibility to shoulder getting all of the information correct, but you came out wearing the crown! Seriously though I've run (Steal mate) externals for years, the only issue I've had is cracking of the rubber valve stems over time. A change out to steel valve stems has fixed that.
I have used an external TPMS in my 4x4 for about a year, very useful. Got mine for about $40 from eBay, looks very similar to these Oricom, probably manufactured from the same factory in China. I agree the risk of the external sensors can get damaged when off road, but luckily so far mine are still intact. I find the first set of batteries in each external sensor only last 6 months, I suspect may be the included batteries are of lower quality, should last longer with better quality batteries. One other issue I can see with the internal TPMS is it only comes with four internal sensors, so if you have to replace one damaged tyre while away with the spare tyre, you lose the monitoring in that spare tyre until you get home and have the internal sensor transferred to the spare tyre.
I run the external monitoring unit and do like the system a lot. One thing I really like is I can immediately see tyre pressures within minutes of taking off, meaning I am never far from start point if I have an issue. I agree that 4 tyre only limit is a definite CON but more so what I would really like to see is a two-group setting in the control unit. One for Off road, aired down and one for on rd with road pressures. This way you could just choose the off road or o road settings so you dont go through the pain of continue alarms or having to change or disable alarm setting when aired down, which to be honest is a pain in the butt. Having this configuration setting would set a TPMS above the rest and I expect a preferable system for tourers. I mean we are not talking serious off road work, a trip to Birdsville , the beach, the Cape etc all have sections that need some air down settings. Additionally, monitoring temp is more critical when aired down than on road in my opinion. Setting a low alarm at the min of 13 psi is not suitable for on road and I would think if I had been running close to that on raod for any amount of time, you would likely get a temp alarm first and by then it may be too late, hence my suggestion of two alarm groups. Simply select on road or off-road. To be honest, I am surprised this has not been built into a unit already.
Great video. Have been using a set of external TPMS sensors on my 3.5T motorhome for three years. Same set of batteries. No issues and has saved me twice from drama. The main downside is it looks a bit naff and also it's an extra thing to have to remove and pocket when changing tyre pressure.
Good info Matt. I'm not a fan of any TPMS myself but perhaps I'm just too old school for my own good. I like that you're up front about your video supporters but that you clearly are more interested in giving good info than plugging a product. 👍👍
@@MadMatt4WD Haha. A man's gotta eat. I think you balance it well & you tell people straight up rather than stage some "natural conversation" like some other channels do. Your focus is clearly on helping people rather than selling a particular brand but you do enough to keep the sponsors happy to. Good job I reckon.
It would be good if you could've told us todays replacement cost for the internal sensors. I still can't believe in this day and age that tech companies can't make an internal TPMS with a replaceable battery, even if it means each tyre had to come off. I'll wait until they get better.
Matt, good vid. Good subject 100% spot on correct. In Europe since years mandatory and standard in all cars. I for sure will buy a system and looking for gen2 from Oricom. 6 tires on the car plus 4 tires on the van = 10 tire/sensor to monitor at the same given time. I hope it’s in the pipeline for 2021. Tpms system from LSM technologies is HD and we run it on our low loader, but that is a bit overkill for privat usage and with over 1k cost for 10 sensor a bit expensive for private use. Nevertheless 1 tire cost us nowadays also close to 500.- AUD with fitting and when destroyed from an unnoticed slow air leak on the van it’s halve of the investment already. Cheers
The external sensors that I have seen have extra lock nuts to keep the caps from leaking. Fellow 4wheel drivers added a normal filling stem to the rim to ease the inflation / deflation of tyres. This is adding points where it can leak on your tyre. Internal units is therefor in my opinion better
These came with those locks. I never bothered fitting them and they’ve worked well for some years now. I found the internals a pain as I needed five to include the spare and the kit only came with 4.
I wish I could give this more than 1 thumbs up, since I have 2. Well done. Way late to the viewing, but very good assessment on the issue! I'm still shopping around right now to find out which make/model to use. My situation is street use, but in unpredictable drops and spikes in temps. Great Vid!
Interesting information but l will stick with the old school method of stopping regularly and doing tyre pressure checks with a tyre gauge and visual inspection of my tyres. (Don’t forget to check all wheel nuts for correct tightness) I have been doing this method for 53 years and it has served me well, thus far. Tyre monitoring systems are more of a benefit for those that prefer to rely on modern technology and put 100% faith in them. I’ll stick with my method. Call me old fashioned…So be it. 😊
@@MadMatt4WD Yes, l agree with you, they do work and do so very well. I have tried them in the past (curiosity got the better of me) and can recommend them but me being a “Scotsman” l’m too tight to spend the money buying a new set after each time l’ve sold the vehicle with them still installed. (They are a good selling point) and then me having to buy another set. 😊 My friends don’t call me a…SCOTTISH JEW for nothing…😂
I have one of these. Two big problems…. When I have polarising sunnies on, I can’t read the display. That’s a massive design flaw in my view. The second problem I have is that I just drove over the dashboard unit cause it fell out the car and I had not noticed! 😢
@@MadMatt4WD I just got a new one for 1/3 the price and it works with the sunnies. Bargain. Now I just have to avoid driving over it! In fact, it was SO cheap, all the batteries in the wheels sensors were dead out the box! Buggers!
Saftey Dave TPMS for me.Only two years from the batteries? Im up to almost 4 years on the batteries on my Safety Dave TPMS. And have 8 TPMS in use and no problems what so ever
Great video Matt, am considering these too. I was looking at the internal, but yeah they also seem like a bit more of a hassle, plus the external ones are a bit cheaper too
Yep, handsome man flash indeed. But batting for the wrong team 🤣 All kidding aside, this video gave me the info I needed, so thanks. I was disappointed to find my 2023 Cupra Ateca only had the inaccurate VW tyre pressure loss indicator that uses the ABS sensors for wheel speed, better than nothing, but I mean even a 30 grand MG has proper TPMS. So will definitely be adding one of these.
Hi Matt a question tyre pressure when should you check them cold or at operation temp ? And I found on the market you can get 6 wheel monitor so this would be good for a trailer.
MadMatt 4WD thanks I normally do just the other day when it was hot I had to drop the tyres on a gravel road and I normally run 42 in the rear and it was around 50 but it was a different gauge so the good old servo one was way out.
Generally the right pressure will see about a 4 psi increase due to the temperature. As for a range it’s hard to say but if it’s a hot day and they feel to hot to touch for more than a few seconds I’d be looking at the pressures. There’s so many variables with tyres it’s hard to give a hard and fast number.
If you have the externals you just have to swap the valve caps. The internals you need to read the instructions in the box but it's quite simple. If you don't have the instructions email me and I'll send a copy. madmatt@madmatt4wd.com.au
Ok i'll look into it later today for you. IIRC it's the same as when you set them up new but I need to check this. do you have a mobile number i can send a pic to
U definitely r not tech savvy l have the Oricom internal TPMS & u can set the alarm to a set temperature & pressure. Suggest u read the manual. Apart from that I totally agree with everything u said
Great review. Strongly disagree with mandated tyre monitoring systems. Were over regulated as it is and deaths or accidents due to poor tyre inflation are minimal. In fact i coldntt find any data that stated tyre pressure was found to be at fault in accidents.
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Great video. It is a bit surprising they are not (yet) scaleable to 6 tyres (at least) given that if you're towing a trailer or van, a flat there is the hardest to detect. Of which I was reminded when seeing a van tyre disintegrate near me on a motorway recently..... My feeling is that tyre temperature could be interesting, but the main purpose of these is to know you have a flat on the rear tyres, or trailer, on a paved road, where they are very difficult to detect from the drivers' seat.
Totally agree
I'm watching this a year and bit later, and I noticed some systems now can monitor 6-8 sensors for caravans. For trucks, up the 38!
Definitely upgraded software since. Can have up to ten now. 4 car 4 towed unit and spare for each.
Great to see you tread carefully with the internal sensors. They were not the let down you initially thought.
It's a great responsibility to shoulder getting all of the information correct, but you came out wearing the crown!
Seriously though I've run (Steal mate) externals for years, the only issue I've had is cracking of the rubber valve stems over time. A change out to steel valve stems has fixed that.
Thats very kind of you thanks. Crowns look good on bald heads. Yeah i'm happy with them for now.
I have used an external TPMS in my 4x4 for about a year, very useful. Got mine for about $40 from eBay, looks very similar to these Oricom, probably manufactured from the same factory in China. I agree the risk of the external sensors can get damaged when off road, but luckily so far mine are still intact. I find the first set of batteries in each external sensor only last 6 months, I suspect may be the included batteries are of lower quality, should last longer with better quality batteries.
One other issue I can see with the internal TPMS is it only comes with four internal sensors, so if you have to replace one damaged tyre while away with the spare tyre, you lose the monitoring in that spare tyre until you get home and have the internal sensor transferred to the spare tyre.
Some good points for sure. Maybe the ebay ones aren't a new. Often ebay stock is old stock sold through the chinese seconds market.
@@MadMatt4WD Probably, however that Oricom one looks very similar in appearance and function to those on eBay.
I run the external monitoring unit and do like the system a lot. One thing I really like is I can immediately see tyre pressures within minutes of taking off, meaning I am never far from start point if I have an issue.
I agree that 4 tyre only limit is a definite CON but more so what I would really like to see is a two-group setting in the control unit. One for Off road, aired down and one for on rd with road pressures.
This way you could just choose the off road or o road settings so you dont go through the pain of continue alarms or having to change or disable alarm setting when aired down, which to be honest is a pain in the butt. Having this configuration setting would set a TPMS above the rest and I expect a preferable system for tourers. I mean we are not talking serious off road work, a trip to Birdsville , the beach, the Cape etc all have sections that need some air down settings. Additionally, monitoring temp is more critical when aired down than on road in my opinion.
Setting a low alarm at the min of 13 psi is not suitable for on road and I would think if I had been running close to that on raod for any amount of time, you would likely get a temp alarm first and by then it may be too late, hence my suggestion of two alarm groups. Simply select on road or off-road. To be honest, I am surprised this has not been built into a unit already.
I agree. They could certainly be a more refined unit with some relatively simple code
Great video. Have been using a set of external TPMS sensors on my 3.5T motorhome for three years. Same set of batteries. No issues and has saved me twice from drama. The main downside is it looks a bit naff and also it's an extra thing to have to remove and pocket when changing tyre pressure.
Nice
Great vid Matt. I run them on a road train with 62 tyres. Love them, lets you know when you have an issue.
62 tyres? WOW. what sort of system monitors that many tyres?
MadMatt 4WD it’s from a company called LMS technologies
No pressure Matt but keep up the good work. 😁
I never considered a TPMS. Thanks for educating us.
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Thanks Matt , I have learnt a lot today with your video , thanks for your time and effort making this info available, cheers from Wagga
My pleasure!
Wonderful explanation 🎉❤thanks a lot
Good info Matt. I'm not a fan of any TPMS myself but perhaps I'm just too old school for my own good. I like that you're up front about your video supporters but that you clearly are more interested in giving good info than plugging a product. 👍👍
Thanks. It's a hard juggle because I can't eat product so have to make some coin but I truly want to help people wheel well.
@@MadMatt4WD Haha. A man's gotta eat. I think you balance it well & you tell people straight up rather than stage some "natural conversation" like some other channels do. Your focus is clearly on helping people rather than selling a particular brand but you do enough to keep the sponsors happy to. Good job I reckon.
It would be good if you could've told us todays replacement cost for the internal sensors. I still can't believe in this day and age that tech companies can't make an internal TPMS with a replaceable battery, even if it means each tyre had to come off. I'll wait until they get better.
Good point
Brilliant vid mate really informative!👍
cheers
Matt, good vid. Good subject 100% spot on correct. In Europe since years mandatory and standard in all cars. I for sure will buy a system and looking for gen2 from Oricom. 6 tires on the car plus 4 tires on the van = 10 tire/sensor to monitor at the same given time. I hope it’s in the pipeline for 2021. Tpms system from LSM technologies is HD and we run it on our low loader, but that is a bit overkill for privat usage and with over 1k cost for 10 sensor a bit expensive for private use. Nevertheless 1 tire cost us nowadays also close to 500.- AUD with fitting and when destroyed from an unnoticed slow air leak on the van it’s halve of the investment already. Cheers
You Make some great points. I've also told Oricom they need to step this up.
Matt, Oricom has a unit that can expand to 10 sensors
This was filmed some years back and more sensors was my feedback to them then.
have them, love them.
The external sensors that I have seen have extra lock nuts to keep the caps from leaking. Fellow 4wheel drivers added a normal filling stem to the rim to ease the inflation / deflation of tyres. This is adding points where it can leak on your tyre. Internal units is therefor in my opinion better
These came with those locks. I never bothered fitting them and they’ve worked well for some years now. I found the internals a pain as I needed five to include the spare and the kit only came with 4.
I wish I could give this more than 1 thumbs up, since I have 2. Well done. Way late to the viewing, but very good assessment on the issue! I'm still shopping around right now to find out which make/model to use. My situation is street use, but in unpredictable drops and spikes in temps. Great Vid!
Really happy to have helped.
Interesting information but l will stick with the old school method of stopping regularly and doing tyre pressure checks with a tyre gauge and visual inspection of my tyres. (Don’t forget to check all wheel nuts for correct tightness) I have been doing this method for 53 years and it has served me well, thus far.
Tyre monitoring systems are more of a benefit for those that prefer to rely on modern technology and put 100% faith in them. I’ll stick with my method. Call me old fashioned…So be it. 😊
I’m kinda with you but these have saved me a few times when something has gone wrong with a tyre and the alarm goes off. Especially for trailers.
@@MadMatt4WD
Yes, l agree with you, they do work and do so very well. I have tried them in the past (curiosity got the better of me) and can recommend them but me being a “Scotsman” l’m too tight to spend the money buying a new set after each time l’ve sold the vehicle with them still installed. (They are a good selling point) and then me having to buy another set. 😊
My friends don’t call me a…SCOTTISH JEW for nothing…😂
@@brianwalker1933 :) :)
boring.... i like having fancy monitors and such in my vehicle to gander upon, its part of the charm
looks like a good system Matt, have to get a set for the cruiser
Yeah I rate it.
I have one of these. Two big problems…. When I have polarising sunnies on, I can’t read the display. That’s a massive design flaw in my view. The second problem I have is that I just drove over the dashboard unit cause it fell out the car and I had not noticed! 😢
😂😂😂
@@MadMatt4WD I just got a new one for 1/3 the price and it works with the sunnies. Bargain. Now I just have to avoid driving over it! In fact, it was SO cheap, all the batteries in the wheels sensors were dead out the box! Buggers!
Saftey Dave TPMS for me.Only two years from the batteries?
Im up to almost 4 years on the batteries on my Safety Dave TPMS.
And have 8 TPMS in use and no problems what so ever
Great video Matt, am considering these too.
I was looking at the internal, but yeah they also seem like a bit more of a hassle, plus the external ones are a bit cheaper too
yes mate.
Yep, handsome man flash indeed. But batting for the wrong team 🤣
All kidding aside, this video gave me the info I needed, so thanks.
I was disappointed to find my 2023 Cupra Ateca only had the inaccurate VW tyre pressure loss indicator that uses the ABS sensors for wheel speed, better than nothing, but I mean even a 30 grand MG has proper TPMS. So will definitely be adding one of these.
Glad I could help
Great stuff mate! Many thanks
My pleasure!
Nice video. Do you think the external sensor will exacerbate cracking of the rubber valve stem due to the centrifugal force at high speed?
Thanks. No i don't think that'll be an issue.
Very informative thank you
Pleasure.
Just a question Matt, with the internal units can you still use a Rapid Tyre deflater where usually the valve is removed ?
Yes but they’re not quite as fast as a std tyre valve.
If my vehicle is not equipped with a tpms monitor, can i still use the internal sensor with some kind of after market reader?
Not to my knowledge.
Hi Matt a question tyre pressure when should you check them cold or at operation temp ? And I found on the market you can get 6 wheel monitor so this would be good for a trailer.
Ideally you would always set them at the same temp but this is impractical so generally when cold before you drive and expect at 4 psi rise
MadMatt 4WD thanks I normally do just the other day when it was hot I had to drop the tyres on a gravel road and I normally run 42 in the rear and it was around 50 but it was a different gauge so the good old servo one was way out.
Hi Matt. What is the temperature range for tyres?
Generally the right pressure will see about a 4 psi increase due to the temperature. As for a range it’s hard to say but if it’s a hot day and they feel to hot to touch for more than a few seconds I’d be looking at the pressures. There’s so many variables with tyres it’s hard to give a hard and fast number.
Internal sensors fitting stuff around is a real deal breaker for me.
Then get the external sensors.
@@MadMatt4WD oh, right. I stopped watching at the internal units. Watched the second half.
Hi Matt I have done a Tyre rotation do you happen to know how to recalibrate the monitor cheers
If you have the externals you just have to swap the valve caps. The internals you need to read the instructions in the box but it's quite simple. If you don't have the instructions email me and I'll send a copy. madmatt@madmatt4wd.com.au
MadMatt 4WD I have the instructions but buggard if I can find where to reset it 😂
MadMatt 4WD all good figured it out cheers 🍺
Ok i'll look into it later today for you. IIRC it's the same as when you set them up new but I need to check this. do you have a mobile number i can send a pic to
MadMatt 4WD all good Matt I figured it out cheers 🍺
My mums complains about fuel consumption, did her tyres they're at 18psi for a mid sized car.
hey, 18 sounds low. there should be a tyre placard on the car somewhere that says what pressures to run. often its on the drivers door area.
How do it tell you the tire is delaminating ?
I’m not sure.
which countries mandated tyre pressure monitors?
Some of the Country’s in Europe. I don’t have a full list
USA since about 2013 or so.
Yeah , before the Govt mandated them tires were just flying all over the place here in the us ... balancing beads destroy them by the way
Interesting
U definitely r not tech savvy l have the Oricom internal TPMS & u can set the alarm to a set temperature & pressure. Suggest u read the manual. Apart from that I totally agree with everything u said
Yes but not lower than 13psi
@@MadMatt4WD I've not had to go that low on psi but u can turn off the alarm 👍
Great review. Strongly disagree with mandated tyre monitoring systems. Were over regulated as it is and deaths or accidents due to poor tyre inflation are minimal. In fact i coldntt find any data that stated tyre pressure was found to be at fault in accidents.
Fair call.