This was one of the most insightful and important lectures Dr Heiser did to give us a window into where society would be heading then, which it has nearly arrived at now. Thank you for putting this up!
Eternal or, for that matter just an extended life in this fallen world, is just a way to unite hell with earth, not a way to make earth more like heaven.
Just discovered your channel this morning. This is incredible. Going to actually sit down and listen to this again and take notes. Thank you for posting this.
On the original video, someone commented about how they were disappointed in Dr. Heiser because he made a special pleading for christianity in this video. Can anyone point to this supposed special pleading in this video? Perhaps Heiser has somewhere else but I couldnt find any here. May the the Most High God bless you and keep you. Grace and peace
Personally, although Gnosticism's effects are terrible (Communism and Nazism are based on it), I think even in traditional Christianity we have the tendency to be Utopian. Especially when the belief is that we believers are the ones to bring Heaven to Earth rather than God himself doing that. We think the Holy Spirit makes us supremely intelligent or skilled that we believe we have the right to seize secular power. I.e., Christians had been behaving like Gnostics. But Christians have been doing that in history and what happened was a host of atrocities. It's also a corruption of humans being God's imagers - "we represent God so we should be in charge" - another effect of the total deception by the serpent. So we Christians should be careful that we not become like the Gnostics. The better solution would be to live our lives in uprightness and show the example to the world - 1 Peter 2:12.
@@ThembaMaselane The thing is, "godless" (more like those under control of the rebel gods) really run the world and we can't wrest it from them. We are more of infiltrators in this world. Of course, we can do things like organize our own private actions of goodness and vote, but we can't expect to rule the world in God's stead.
"The church has two choices stand in opposition to the world or you adapt. The vocabulary will be controlled and mimed and the theology will be morphed in a generation." DRMSH 2:01:40
Carnegie might have given away all his money but think of all his money did for everyone. I myself became educated through his libraries that made education accessible to the poor ✨🕊️✨🇺🇸
It was always called "Judaizing", because a worldly focus with messianism is Jewish (Rabbinical Talmud / Kabbalah), and Protestants struggle with this tendency, historically.
Thank you for all your insights I have learned so much . I haven’t read unseen realm but I’m going to Can’t Waite to keep learning . Have a blessed day 😊
Tolkien's metaphor of the Steward of Gondor vs. the King is informative. In judging the "honesty" of whether or not Christian or Religious rulers are better or more faithful to God's Plan than scientists one must ask whose work sets the stage for ..the final Kingdom of God. Ecthelion did the best that he could but Gondor was about to fall. It took the intervention of the King, and others, to save Gondor. The world is not ruled by scientists, but by politicians and economists. It is not the inventors of electricity and medicine and nuclear bombs that is the enemy of Religious thinking and morality. It is not science fiction authors like Gene Roddenberry that is a problem. It is the honesty of the approach that leads to the defeat of death. Who is the Steward and who the King? Science or Religion?
Leviticus 26!! So happy that Dr. Mike addressed this as being eschatological prophecy!! So few see it. Holy Spirit paused me and it leapt out at me. Three sets of sevenfold punishments followed by HIS wrath/fury/anger that is shown in Revelation. 2 Corinthians 6 is new to me. Happy to learn that there will be no new temple according to Paul. It does not indicate it in Leviticus 26. It does not indicate that the sons of Jacob would even have millennial access to Jerusalem as it talks of “the lands rest” for as long as it had not enjoyed a rest. 1000 years rest is the equivalent of the number of Sabbaths that would have occurred in 6000 years that were not honored in the land. And from that the LORD still promises to honor HIS covenants made with Isaac, Jacob and Abraham and the covenant made with Moses on Mt. Sinai.
Prophecy is pattern. The priests were supposed to know the time of His coming from (likely) the Daniel prophecy. He says He would have gathered His chicks. Day of Christ and Day of the Lord are separate events. My 2 cents
The hope from this is only in the way it helps you embrace what Jesus said in Matthew 5. The point of his entire presentation IMHO, is to logically present the hopelessness of life grounded in "self", or in "humanity". He's pointing out the real efforts made by some to replace God, and the illusion they use to fool others, called Utopia. Sincerely hope that answers your question.
Similar to what Kevin responded to your comment, I will likewise point out Dr. Heiser’s point is the hopelessness of man trying to create conditions on this planet that only King Jesus, the only ever perfectly righteous, benevolent “dictator,” WHEN He rules from Zion with a rod of iron (Psalm 2:9, 132:13-14, Isaiah 33:22, Rev 2:27) will bring about. I would also point out regarding Kevin’s reference to what is commonly referred to as Jesus’s “sermon on the mount,” (Matthew 5) that when the church which is His Body, the new creation (of this Age of Grace) takes this passage for themselves they are prone to a) be part of or b) fall prey to the very distortion of which Dr. Heiser warns. In Matthew 5, as throughout His earthly ministry, Jesus focused on not just Jews only, but quickly narrowed His focus to the believing Little Flock/Remnant in order to prepare them for the Tribulation, which would be immediately followed by earthly Kingdom life that would (in the uninterrupted prophetic order) have commenced shortly after the nation accepted Him (Peter’s plea in Acts 2-3) and He returned to earth bodily for the times of refreshing/rest to begin. His message in Matthew 5 parallels Isaiah 61 and is the Constitution for living in that earthly kingdom when the government is literally, as Isaiah meant, “upon [King Jesus’s] shoulder” (Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is emphasizing the Law and says that in order to be called “great” in the kingdom, one must follow/obey that law perfectly (Matthew 5:19). He is setting forth the super-high standards fitting a nation of priests (Israel). Read carefully verses 22-24 of that chapter. No Christian today need go to the temple and leave a gift on the altar. Sure, there are moral principles in the chapter that transcend dispensations and are taught elsewhere in theological epistles written directly to the Body of Christ in this age, but Jesus is not here just giving out “good living suggestions” for Dispensation of Grace believers . His legal qualifications here taught are not optional. Jesus was not setting up a democracy much less a representative republic. See Zechariah 14, especially verses 16-19 for an example of how disobedience will be handled in the kingdom. See also Acts 2:42-46 for a foretaste/shadow of how literal kingdom living will look for Israelites living under the judgeship of the 12 apostles as they literally rule over the 12 tribes whose sole job is liturgical service in and around the temple and Acts 5:1-11 for an example of the swift and sure punishment system under the kingdom “rod of iron.” Many a sincere Christian has fallen prey to communism by thinking that communal Little Flock example in Acts 2 is the “ideal standard” for Christian living today. Likewise, many evil dictators have stood ready to take advantage of such lack of “rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) Christians will find this very confusing stuff (and be prone to be misled by crafty politicians taking advantage with “equality,” “egalitarian,” and “social justice” jargon) unless they understand the now 2000 year-long “mystery” system, first revealed to Paul (Ephesians 3:1-10), in which we currently live is NOT in view in Matthew 5. Jesus is teaching requirements/conditions for the Kingdom of (genitive: source, not location) Heaven and continued law system.
Bad title. If eschatology is a waste of time then why did God put it in His scripture? Sounds like someone doesn't want to think critically about scripture text on the end times. Eschatology is important because there are MANY scripture text that your understanding of Eschatology influence how you view the text.
The big problem with religion is none of them can be honest about their dogma so how can you expect to build ethics on top of an even well intentioned lie? These preachers are ultimately content creators yet they expect so more reverence and respect than their youtuber and media peers.
Dont worry folks religion always adapts to social changes after enough effort by normal people. Religion will be taling credit for others work by next generation.
This was one of the most insightful and important lectures Dr Heiser did to give us a window into where society would be heading then, which it has nearly arrived at now. Thank you for putting this up!
Eternal or, for that matter just an extended life in this fallen world, is just a way to unite hell with earth, not a way to make earth more like heaven.
Just discovered your channel this morning. This is incredible. Going to actually sit down and listen to this again and take notes. Thank you for posting this.
it will take years to grasp his lectures.
On the original video, someone commented about how they were disappointed in Dr. Heiser because he made a special pleading for christianity in this video. Can anyone point to this supposed special pleading in this video? Perhaps Heiser has somewhere else but I couldnt find any here. May the the Most High God bless you and keep you. Grace and peace
What do you mean by “a special pleading for Christianity?”
Personally, although Gnosticism's effects are terrible (Communism and Nazism are based on it), I think even in traditional Christianity we have the tendency to be Utopian. Especially when the belief is that we believers are the ones to bring Heaven to Earth rather than God himself doing that. We think the Holy Spirit makes us supremely intelligent or skilled that we believe we have the right to seize secular power. I.e., Christians had been behaving like Gnostics. But Christians have been doing that in history and what happened was a host of atrocities. It's also a corruption of humans being God's imagers - "we represent God so we should be in charge" - another effect of the total deception by the serpent. So we Christians should be careful that we not become like the Gnostics. The better solution would be to live our lives in uprightness and show the example to the world - 1 Peter 2:12.
As a Christian conservative, I support your statement or seen your comment very interesting.
Are you suggesting that we intentionally take ourselves out and let the godless run the world?
@@ThembaMaselane The thing is, "godless" (more like those under control of the rebel gods) really run the world and we can't wrest it from them. We are more of infiltrators in this world. Of course, we can do things like organize our own private actions of goodness and vote, but we can't expect to rule the world in God's stead.
Exactly!!
@@ThembaMaselane That’s a good point too.
"The church has two choices stand in opposition to the world or you adapt. The vocabulary will be controlled and mimed and the theology will be morphed in a generation." DRMSH 2:01:40
Carnegie might have given away all his money but think of all his money did for everyone. I myself became educated through his libraries that made education accessible to the poor ✨🕊️✨🇺🇸
Marvellous and insightful. It does possibly persuade people to scale back expectations of closeness to end times however.
I think that's a pretty reasonable view, why do you consider it a problem?
It was always called "Judaizing", because a worldly focus with messianism is Jewish (Rabbinical Talmud / Kabbalah), and Protestants struggle with this tendency, historically.
Thank you for all your insights I have learned so much .
I haven’t read unseen realm but I’m going to
Can’t Waite to keep learning .
Have a blessed day 😊
Thank you….
thank you so much for posting this blessings
Tolkien's metaphor of the Steward of Gondor vs. the King is informative. In judging the "honesty" of whether or not Christian or Religious rulers are better or more faithful to God's Plan than scientists one must ask whose work sets the stage for ..the final Kingdom of God.
Ecthelion did the best that he could but Gondor was about to fall. It took the intervention of the King, and others, to save Gondor.
The world is not ruled by scientists, but by politicians and economists. It is not the inventors of electricity and medicine and nuclear bombs that is the enemy of Religious thinking and morality. It is not science fiction authors like Gene Roddenberry that is a problem. It is the honesty of the approach that leads to the defeat of death.
Who is the Steward and who the King? Science or Religion?
Leviticus 26!! So happy that Dr. Mike addressed this as being eschatological prophecy!! So few see it. Holy Spirit paused me and it leapt out at me. Three sets of sevenfold punishments followed by HIS wrath/fury/anger that is shown in Revelation. 2 Corinthians 6 is new to me. Happy to learn that there will be no new temple according to Paul. It does not indicate it in Leviticus 26. It does not indicate that the sons of Jacob would even have millennial access to Jerusalem as it talks of “the lands rest” for as long as it had not enjoyed a rest. 1000 years rest is the equivalent of the number of Sabbaths that would have occurred in 6000 years that were not honored in the land. And from that the LORD still promises to honor HIS covenants made with Isaac, Jacob and Abraham and the covenant made with Moses on Mt. Sinai.
👑💙Genesis 12:3 is amplified through the deeds 💜 shown in Matthew 25: 31-46💙👑
Prophecy is pattern. The priests were supposed to know the time of His coming from (likely) the Daniel prophecy. He says He would have gathered His chicks.
Day of Christ and Day of the Lord are separate events.
My 2 cents
Where can you get the slides/ notes that Heiser referenced?
is there any way to get the slides? we want to use them to teach
This is so interesting.
Is the ppt available in 2024?
Wow ❤❤
Jack Kirby's fourth world
Shout out to Yoder's
Any hope here? I would like to think God is in control and he will win. I couldn’t listen to this.
The hope from this is only in the way it helps you embrace what Jesus said in Matthew 5.
The point of his entire presentation IMHO, is to logically present the hopelessness of life grounded in "self", or in "humanity". He's pointing out the real efforts made by some to replace God, and the illusion they use to fool others, called Utopia.
Sincerely hope that answers your question.
Similar to what Kevin responded to your comment, I will likewise point out Dr. Heiser’s point is the hopelessness of man trying to create conditions on this planet that only King Jesus, the only ever perfectly righteous, benevolent “dictator,” WHEN He rules from Zion with a rod of iron (Psalm 2:9, 132:13-14, Isaiah 33:22, Rev 2:27) will bring about.
I would also point out regarding Kevin’s reference to what is commonly referred to as Jesus’s “sermon on the mount,” (Matthew 5) that when the church which is His Body, the new creation (of this Age of Grace) takes this passage for themselves they are prone to a) be part of or b) fall prey to the very distortion of which Dr. Heiser warns.
In Matthew 5, as throughout His earthly ministry, Jesus focused on not just Jews only, but quickly narrowed His focus to the believing Little Flock/Remnant in order to prepare them for the Tribulation, which would be immediately followed by earthly Kingdom life that would (in the uninterrupted prophetic order) have commenced shortly after the nation accepted Him (Peter’s plea in Acts 2-3) and He returned to earth bodily for the times of refreshing/rest to begin.
His message in Matthew 5 parallels Isaiah 61 and is the Constitution for living in that earthly kingdom when the government is literally, as Isaiah meant, “upon [King Jesus’s] shoulder” (Isaiah 9:6) Jesus is emphasizing the Law and says that in order to be called “great” in the kingdom, one must follow/obey that law perfectly (Matthew 5:19). He is setting forth the super-high standards fitting a nation of priests (Israel). Read carefully verses 22-24 of that chapter. No Christian today need go to the temple and leave a gift on the altar.
Sure, there are moral principles in the chapter that transcend dispensations and are taught elsewhere in theological epistles written directly to the Body of Christ in this age, but Jesus is not here just giving out “good living suggestions” for Dispensation of Grace believers . His legal qualifications here taught are not optional. Jesus was not setting up a democracy much less a representative republic.
See Zechariah 14, especially verses 16-19 for an example of how disobedience will be handled in the kingdom. See also Acts 2:42-46 for a foretaste/shadow of how literal kingdom living will look for Israelites living under the judgeship of the 12 apostles as they literally rule over the 12 tribes whose sole job is liturgical service in and around the temple and Acts 5:1-11 for an example of the swift and sure punishment system under the kingdom “rod of iron.”
Many a sincere Christian has fallen prey to communism by thinking that communal Little Flock example in Acts 2 is the “ideal standard” for Christian living today. Likewise, many evil dictators have stood ready to take advantage of such lack of “rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15)
Christians will find this very confusing stuff (and be prone to be misled by crafty politicians taking advantage with “equality,” “egalitarian,” and “social justice” jargon) unless they understand the now 2000 year-long “mystery” system, first revealed to Paul (Ephesians 3:1-10), in which we currently live is NOT in view in Matthew 5. Jesus is teaching requirements/conditions for the Kingdom of (genitive: source, not location) Heaven and continued law system.
Bad title. If eschatology is a waste of time then why did God put it in His scripture?
Sounds like someone doesn't want to think critically about scripture text on the end times.
Eschatology is important because there are MANY scripture text that your understanding of Eschatology influence how you view the text.
For context, when was this recorded please? 2013?
The slide at 1 hour says Future Congress, Jan. 2013.
@@begraced3339 thanks! 1:01:01
The big problem with religion is none of them can be honest about their dogma so how can you expect to build ethics on top of an even well intentioned lie? These preachers are ultimately content creators yet they expect so more reverence and respect than their youtuber and media peers.
Dont worry folks religion always adapts to social changes after enough effort by normal people. Religion will be taling credit for others work by next generation.
No, male domination is God's commandment and IS the best idea.
Ok u go dominate all the woman bruh.
@@360noscopeBANGBANGskedaddle I don't want em! 🤣 Have at them. Westernized women are more trouble than they're worth!
"Judeo-Christian" worldview makes no more sense than "Christo-Islamic" worldview. Using this term is a symptom.