Best FPV Goggle 2023 Buyer's Guide // DJI v. HDZERO v. WALKSNAIL v. ANALOG
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00:00 - Which system is best for YOU
03:18 - Introducing: the main FPV systems today
08:42 - Fixed vs. Variable Latency
11:01 - Which has the best latency?
13:35 - Which has the best break-up
19:18 - Which has best range and penetration
22:48 - Who is the most "in touch" with the FPV community
25:52 - Which is best for micro quads
27:40 - Price. Ugh.
29:27 - Have I earned your support today?
30:41 - Which system is best for which type of person?
30:53 - If you're on a very tight budget: Analog
31:23 - If you have plenty of money and don't want a hassle: DJI
32:12 - If you race: analog or HDZero
33:00 - For freestyle: no clear winner
34:39 - For professional cine pilots: DJI
35:49 - If you want DJI, but you hate DJI as a company: Walksnail
36:26 - If you want the absolute best image quality and on-board recording: DJI O3
37:10 - If you fly micro quads: anything except DJI
40:03 - A little more research? More?!
The HDZero goggle might be the best pick if you use any system except DJI. • The best FPV goggle fo...
90 FPS HDZero camera left me speechless. This is the most compelling reason to think about using HDZero over other systems. • I'm literally speechle...
Orqa goggles are a very strong contender for best analog goggle. They also have HDMI input for Walksnail and HDZero, but don't have the same low latency as HDZero goggles. • The best FPV goggle in...
My release-day review of the Walksnail goggles. The performance of the system has improved significantly since this video, but the feature overview is still relevant. • Better than DJI FPV? F...
Head-to-head showdown between Walksnail and DJI on a recent firmware shows how much Walksnail has improved. • Walksnail Avatar impro...
Head-to-head comparison of four identical quadcopters with four different video systems in them. • Best video link for mi...
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Joshua, would you ever consider a video where you pick a couple of price points ($300, $500, $700, etc.) and put together a complete FPV setup (drone, controller, goggles, batteries, charger, etc.) if you were brand new today?
Thank you for the informative video on the goggles today!
YES
so much yes
I would like this so much too
You can't do that for anything less than $500, I've tried heh
For 300 you can get a tiny whoop with a cheap controller and a cheap goggle. But the quality won't be that great off course
Just your friendly reminder that at 140kmh (90mph) your quad travels 1.5m in 40ms
Hmm nice fun fact.. thank you
Thank you, I was hoping that he would bring this up
Sometimes I think we should play sims at the highest latency possible.
Research I did in university some years back showed that the time between a visual input and a resulting action from the hands was about 300msec. This was a sort of whac-a-mole test - in FPV flying, a more complex task - this time will be longer. To put these latency numbers in perspective
@@peter4presidente
That’s not true, first off racing pilots have much lower reaction times. Combine that with muscle memory and knowledge of the course and the “feel” of previous inputs and you get a scenario that 20-50 ms makes a massive difference.
This same amount of bogus science impacted gaming development because “research shows no significant difference between 60 fps and 100fps” “no discernible difference in image quality after 1440p” etc etc.
you just sent me lightyears ahead on my research as a nooby. thanks. very well made video
The latency numbers for analog and HDZero should be even lower, if a fair comparison to DJI and Walksnail is to be made. The DJI/Walksnail numbers of around 25-35 ms are how long it takes the very first pixel to change on screen. To draw an entire frame is between 8-16ms longer than that. For HDZero and analog, the 14-16 ms number is the whole-frame latency. First-pixel latency for analog and HDZero is between1-3 ms. So a proper (fair) comparison would be to either add 8-16 ms to DJI and Walksnail or subtract about 16 ms from analog and HDZero.
The last sentence confused me: "So a proper (fair) comparison would be to either add 8-16 ms to DJI and HDZero". It should be DJI and Walksnail - correct ?
Thanks for this comprehensive guide.
@@zira_fluff4105 yep I think he meant to say “add 8-16 ms to DJI and *Walksnail*”
Its easy to have low latency when your range is non existant
As somebody who mainly flies small quads: HDZero Goggles + Walksnail VRx + Analog VRx is just the most amazing combination you can get. Having all these options in one thing and using/buying whatever quad/VTx you feel like really is great.
Exactly. And all this having to carry only one pair of goggles.
BTW, Mario here as well. 😬
I ordered hdzero goggles with analog module but they are not here yet. I ordered the walksnail vrx that showed up but drone wouldn't update elrs firmware to be able to use it lol
We should keep in mind, if we do the math, you're looking at $1070 to over $1100, depending on if you want Fusion or Rapidfire. Yeah, expensive!
@@divingfalconfpv4602 like me 👍😍
@sco0trot0r18 people drop more than that every other year for new phone 🤣
Thank you for all you do. You put a lot of work into this channel and I appreciate it.
I signed up this week. You certainly deserve it, Joshua. Fantastic channel! I've been a subscriber for a few years now.
Congrats for this video Joshua! This is a next level video in terms of quality and information. You are doing a great job producing this kind of media! Thank you from Argentina!
Amazing job Joshua! Thanks for always the best and super detailed info!
Yesterday I was looking for a comparison of fpv systems, and today you are releasing a video on this topic. Thank you, you are amazing.
This is such a great video - every system explained in detail to a point where I had no questions left. Thank you!
I fly fpv planes and I have tested analog 1.3ghz, Dji, and walksnail. By far 1.3Ghz for long range is the king, Dji is good to putt around your flying field, walksnail vrx still in development. My walksnail Osd continue to freeze up within 1 km radius.
HDZero goggles for me. I got the walksnail VRX to try but haven’t taken it out of the box yet. Been too blown away flying nothing but that 90fps HDZero cam. Love what they’re doing and the true fpv community connection
Great great video, Joshua. Many thanks to you. Regards to everyone in the FPV community !!❤ ❤❤
HDZero all the way, so much versatility and that 90FPS camera (even for freestyle).
For you
Yeah that 90fps cam, such an amazing experience. Feel so connected to the quad it’s incredible
THIS is what I have been wanting to know! Glad I didn't blindly jump into this hobby the first time I saw it like I wanted to. I slowed myself down and this helped me so much!
HD zero all the way gonna be my next goggle👌
Finally someone explained it properly! Thank you!
Amazing video! Answers so so many questions!!!!! Hope to see an updated version soon, I guess when the 04 Air Unit comes out.
Super informative. Excellent thorough explanations. Very, very useful and helpful to the new people getting into fpv. Thanks for the videos.
HDZero goggles with 90hz camera. Having the lowest latency possible is the most important to me. It’s like gaming on a high refresh rate display; the smoothness of the motion and connected feel makes the whole experience of performing quick actions much more predictable.
For real, JB. DJI called the 3rd goggle iteration Google 2 and the second air unit the 03... I wish they would have just gone 03 for the whole system.
AWESOME JB!!!! Consumer Reports for FPV!!!
After doing months of research myself, JB sums up pretty much the same stuff I've learned in this one nice video.
I am completely new to this FPV stuff but have a history of R/C competitions. Your videos are very informative.
Your analogy of walk snail to dji was classic! Excellent Video!
Joshua answering the hard questions! Nice video and good job showcasing the relative strengths of the systems. I fly DJI but felt like all the systems were well represented. Great job.
Thanks jb. I was missing you and BLUNTY. You posted this just in time.
You saved me probably 3-4 hours worth of googling stuff, thank you for making this video!
Love to see video like this but for controllers and its compatibility with different systems. Great work :)
ELRS wins.
Great detailed video. Thank you!
I started FPV around a year before DJI released their digital system. At the time I had the best analog systems and decided to try out the DJI system. (v1 goggles with a quad with a dji air unit).
I immediately was stunned by the quality, it was like looking at GoPro footage, but it was a live flight! I could see every branch and blades of grass. Absolutely groundbreaking ,I thought!
Unfortunately, during that very first flight I also lost complete interest in this new system. Spots/bushes/tight concrete spaces which were easily flyable with analog (although, sometimes at some spots, with terrible signal) were not flyable at all with the dji video feed. The higher and variable latency made it just way too hard to fly these gaps, and in the bushes it dropped some frames so that the next thing I was my drone is laying on the ground, without me being able to react. With analog, even with the worst signal, i can still make out contours which saved my countless of times.
Nowadays, I mainly fly my analog toothpick and leave my dji stuff in the closet. I prefer that much more over the digital experience I had back then. Im sure it got much better tho, but I would probably prefer HDZero over a digital system.
Edit: I got HDZero a few weeks ago and its amazing! If youre an analog pilot who wants a better image with the same low latency and responsiveness, I highly recommend HDZero! :)
Hey thanks for the advice, im just getting started but i feel overwhelmed with all the options, if you were me what combo would you go for ? Speaking as in googles + controller etc thanks alot
Wow another great informative clip thx 🇿🇦
The biggest thing that is making me chose walksnail over dji is the longevity of it. Walksnail is aiming for their system to be compatible throughout where as dji you mostly need to buy a whole new set every one or two years to be up to date. And walksnail has a 4K unit now (moonlight)
Awesome explanation Bardwell, you literally covered everything, wow you really know your stuff … we are not worthy 🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️
Bro this is AWESOME WORK thank you !
Fantastic video, Joshua! Thanks! 😃
I already know what I'm going to get... As soon as I can. 😬
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks JB! Easier to direct new pilots to your videos. Enjoy your vacation! 😁✌️
Great video, Thanks! Answered all my buying questions.
Thank you, this is amazing video ❤
Awesome video! Thanks.
BANG ON! As always
Thanks JB!!!
This is EXACTLY what i needed to learn today.
thanks for all the informational vids, your the man
OMG this is what you see through the goggles! I watched your videos and built a quad about 4 years ago with the analog system, can't believe they improve so much, think I have to get back into the hobby now.
Dji goggles exist since 6 years now so technically not a lot has changed
thank you very much, JB
Great vid, super detailed
I've learned something today. Cheers.
Thanks for making this.
GREAT video. I have been out of the game for awhile (never was that good, and never invested heavily) so I have not heard anything about walksnail until today. The smearing looks a LOT like dropped i-frames in mpeg video compression. I'll bet it is based on that. Very fascinating.
This helped alot, thank you.
Walksnail also has 1080p resolution too Josh.
It looks much better with the current beta fw.
agreed. I think the image quality looks way better than the dji fpv goggles v2 here for sure
Also agree feel like he needs to update firmware it’s great stuff
Unfortunately freestyle on 60fps is pretty hard for me. I don't feel connected to drone at all. On 100fps it's alright.
Very good video thank you !
Great video 👍👍
I'm looking at the PILES of 2019 vintage stuff I purchased and never used. Drooling over this new stuff!
Very hopeful ! I also have Channel and use before DJi drons but now I Start training fpv
Awesome video Joshua 🤟 There is so many amazing options now with FPV and I for one am thankful for all the systems we have to choose from. It's a great time to be in the hobby for sure 👍
thank you for making this
I am brand new to this I've wanted a drone for years but have been tbh intimidated by the mountain of stuff out there so I am so grateful to find this channel now that I finally know I want to do the fpv style which already took me hours to figure out lol so you rock Joshua!
35:49 - Yep, that's me lol! But HD-Zero and Analog (because I still have so much of it in my garage) all the way for me.
Excellent video thank you SO much. Incredible comparison.
Thanks!
I have been flying 75 mm digital whoops with DJI naked Vista in my neighborhood. for many months. So far it beats HDzero and Walksnail hands down in terms of range and penetration. My builds also achieve 5-6 minutes cruising time with 2S 450 mah lipos . It can also rips freestyle pretty well.
I've gone for the walksnail system just because of the Caddx VRX 1s package to retrofit my BetaFPV Meteor 85 quad. The picture quality in my Headplay box google was amazing, but they are massive. Luckily I found a set of nearly new Fatshark Dominator HD goggles for about 75% the cost of a new set. I'll sell the VRX on, but keep the VTX and camera.
I still love flying my analog fpv drones, i have dji o3 air unit in another drone and it really is amazing. But something about the way Analog feels when flying it, its like you said, its just not the same even with the lower resolution its still enjoyable to have that instant analog fpv feed.
Id love to pick up a set of HDZero goggles soon and try out the 90fps camera. That would probably be my favorite setup when im not looking for the Range of something like DJI or a powerful Analog VTX setup..
rly helped me out thx
Great content 🫶
I bought a Skyzone 03O goggles with Sharkbyte module for 200 euro last month and I'm so impressed with how good my analogue looks on the goggles that I havent used the sharkbyte/HDzeo system yet :D
I currently fly with the DJI V1 goggles, and I've been wanting to upgrade to something a bit more compact with OLED screens. I don't really have a problem with the video, I'd just like a nicer pair of googles. I only fly freestyle (and usually alone), and I record all of my video on the DJI air unit (my flying isn't good enough to warrant the price of a GoPro). I have also been thinking it would be nice to fly something smaller than 5" from time to time.
I waited for all of these new systems to come out so I could compare them, and now that the dust has settled I'm still undecided. I seem to fall right between the cracks of these systems. The closest one would be the HDZero goggles with a Walksnail VRX, but I'd almost never use the HDZero VRX. The DJI goggles are the size and features I want, but the price of the O3 AUs is too high, and not having defogging is pretty annoying.
I think I'll keep flying my DJI V1s, and wait for a sale on one of the systems (I bought my DJI V1s at a really good price). I'd also like to leave some time to see if the Walksnail latency on HDZero goggles improves.
Another V1 user from Australia 2 😮
I have the HDZERO goggles, and I definitely have FOMO with the other digital systems. I really wish I could try them all.
Really consistent.... I do find it really honest as well... Don't know or understand why WTFOSD wasn't mentioned!! since there are so much community support... but I can respect your perspective!!
In my opinion, WTFOS is a community response to DJI's lack of response. That doesn't make DJI responsive. It's a band-aid. It's a great band-aid, but still a band-aid.
It's interesting how different people are in their preferences.
I absolutely understand people who care most about latency, ultra maneuverability and choose Analogue for that.
For me, image quality and transmission stability is without question the most important thing i care about.
So the DJI downsides of being heavy, no back / side compatability, no third party support, really isnt even a con for me.
I want to feel as close to "eyeball-quality" as possible when i fly, so there's no other system that even comes close.
I dont need very low latency for freestyle tricks, i dont need betaflight HUD features.
I just want the best possible image quality when flying.
Now, IF someone else developed an equal quality system, that WAS open source and compatible with more things, i'd get that 100%.
But so far nobody has managed to do that, at the same price / size.
I’m with you 100% on that one Joshua !!!!!
I have the V2 goggles and after they came out with the new goggles I wasn’t sure which goggles I had anymore was it V2 the goggles 2 ?????🤔
I find the breakup from walksnail far easier to fly through than DJI because it doesn't stutter. After flying it for a bit I find it very predictable now provided you don't push it until it completely drops.
ok you convinced me O3 and V2 it is.... I still remember the v1 50mpb video where you said - I can see every blade of grass- that video made me buy the v1 you the best Dude- I got free tacos for you if you ever come to California
1:45 When you left your property I was waiting for liftoff to yell at me 🤣🤣
Analog and HD Zero on HD Zero goggles and DJI For me. And if I get the itch for Walksnail I can get the the Walksnail vrx. Great time to fly fpv. 😎
I currently fly my DJI Goggles 2 with a Caddx Vista tx and I’m really enjoying it!!! But I really wish it had a video-in port to hook up an analog receiver. I’ll have to buy analog goggles to fly tiny whoops
Good summary. My decision for me: positive company + fixed, low latency + open source + multiple manufactures + flying next to others + looks awesome in goggles + fun to fly = HDZero. I compromise on image quality and penetration. That was easy.
I do not even need goggles or even interested in swapping what i have. But will i watch it with a few cups of tea.. Damn right i will!
If HDZero would have a bit more penetration and picture quality, it would be a no brainer. As of rn, its pretty hard to decide !
ive been searching this for a few days and always bumed out their wasn't a bardwell version happy day today.
Thank you ever so much for all that knowledge sharing. So if I resume well, in comparison with OS in computing:
DJI = Apple
HDZero = Linux
WalkSnail = Microsoft
Analogue = DOS
:)
Thanks so much for this 💚 Would love to see video quality comparisons between DJI and Walknsail VTx
See the links in the video description. There is just such a comparison.
Awesome vid! Answered a lot
of my questions on systems BUT….I am on the fence between DJI O3/Goggles 2
and Walksnail/Avatar. Issue.. goggle fit. I’ve heard a lot of negs on the fit of the goggles 2. That would be a deal breaker no matter how awesome the system is. Some goggle fit info vid would be awesome as most can’t go to a local shop and try goggles on.
Thanks for that overview. But... I know you are into copters only, but videos like that could make also sense to consider the needs (or no-needs) of wing pilots. The whole latencything might be quite different when flying with wings and also depending on style. Wingpilots sometimes fly close proximity, but mostly not.
I just bought the HDZero goggles. I'm super excited! Still trying to make a decision on a quad tho.
Get a walksnail VRX to pair with it. The hdzero alone leaves a lot to be desired. Really good choice you made due to their versatility though imo
Great video, so helpful. What is the music credit for the 1st flying segment around 2-min mark?
i always need to set aside some time for a Bardwell video 🎉
One reason why I prefer the V2 goggles over the goggles 2 is that the V2 goggles have a fan to prevent fogging. To me that a very valuable asset the V2 goggles have.
No fan in goggles 2? Pretty sad.
Goggles 2 have a fan too
@@MadmarxOfficial From my understanding the goggles 2 have a fan for electrical components not for anti fogging.
@@cheechfpv Oh maybe, never had any fog issue with mine tho
You kick ass Josh.
As for your definitive answer, with regards to some good freestyle pilots flying DJI, the 35ms latency is within a margin, under 80 or so ms, that the returns on getting lower diminish due to how the brain process input and responds. A playable ping range and the qualitive improvement in performance on video games is one of many examples. I'd say anything under 60ms would allow for very similar flight performance to sub 25 for most people. I'd like to see this studied informally by you guys.
Three is a diminishing return on human response time where the curve starts to increase more dramatically around the 80 to 100ms range.
But that is not to say that one could not "notice" the difference while flying.
Amazing summary. Now i know that i want hdzero as a abalog upgrade from rtf kit. But now i need the money to afford 😅. This fpv thing that is exciting me so much is making me broke. 😮
At the moment: If you have the money: I think the best is to own 2 digital systems: hdzero for 2,5 - 3,5" quads and dji o3 for bigger or equal 3,5" quads.
And analog for smaller equal 2,5". 😀
Thanks
very informative segment. ty for your analysis and feed back.
I'm saving up for Dji O3 and goggles. Probably take me a year or two.
Thanks for the video Joshua!
I loved getting to know a little more about the goggles we have on the market today.
I'm starting in the hobby and I'm in doubt between 2 goggles.
Emax Transporter 2 HD Walksnail and the FAT SHARK RECON HD HDZero.
Which would you recommend?
that DJI 03 had the best tune.
i didnt know your yard was in the liftoff sim thats freaking sick!
So Right!
For the break up part, walksnail focus mode works great now and avoids the horrible distortion that was seen there. Definitely worth trying.
Yeah, don't know why he wouldn't try that, or even mention it. I get the feeling he has something against Walksnail and his 'reviews' aren't really honest.
@@wattage2007 i don’t think so. I believe he just doesn’t use walksnail because he personally prefers dji and already has a lot of Kwads with dji. Also, dji wasn’t used with focus mode either so it’s pretty fair there. The fact that he doesn’t use walksnail makes him a little less aware of the newest features of walksnail. Can’t blame him, he’s probably one of the most objective person in the hobby.
@@baptiste_nonat But that’s the problem, he’s so heavily invested in DJI, he’s not interested in Walksnail and I doubt Caddx gave him any Walksnail stuff to review so he’s probably automatically not a fan because of that.
I also hate the way he looks upon fixed wing long-range people as some kind of fringe minority. To the long range community, if you’re after HD video, there can only be Walksnail really. HDZero quality is terrible at range and DJI has set limits.
@@wattage2007 still, he doesn’t long range himself so I can understand him. I don’t do longrange myself and if it’s something I don’t do, I probably won’t think that it important to me. I fly in France and fixed wings is extremely limited because of the laws. And people mostly want penetration testing instead of range.
BUT I see your point and it is valid.
@@baptiste_nonat Cheers dude. Nice to have a respectful answer!
I’m in the UK by the way and laws are extremely strict here too. They’re also extremely stupid and don’t take common sense into account!
Anyway, happy flying 😀