Crossfire vs. Tracer vs. Ghost vs. ExpressLRS vs. R9 vs. ACCESS vs. ACCST | RC control link shootout
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Which is the best RC control link for you? I'm going to compare TBS Crossfire, Tracer, Ghost, R9, and even FrSky ACCESS and ACCST. I've described the perfect buyer for each of these control links and I'll help you figure out which is right for you.
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - Intro
2:19 - FrSky ACCST pro's and con's
5:59 - FrSky ACCST who should buy & who should avoid?
7:10 - FrSky ACCESS pro's and con's
8:43 - FrSky ACCESS who should buy & who should avoid?
12:03 - FrSky R9 pro's and con's
14:18 - FrSky R9 who should buy & who should avoid?
15:43 - TBS Crossfire pro's and con's
19:38 - TBS Crossfire who should buy & who should avoid?
20:45 - ImmersionRC Ghost pro's and con's
22:53 - ImmersionRC Ghost who should buy & who should avoid?
23:37 - TBS Tracer pro's and con's
26:22 - TBS Tracer who should buy & who should avoid?
27:45 - ExpressLRS 900 MHz pro's and con's
30:33 - ExpressLRS 900 MHz who should buy & who should avoid?
33:43 - ExpressLRS 2.4 GHz
35:32 - Conclusion
Josh - don't underestimate how many fixed wing pilots watch your channel for exactly this kind of information. I may tune out on the more quad specific stuff you cover but all in all your channel is one of the best out here for all of us RC enthusiasts. Keep it up!
Same here
Im using TBS stuff on my helicopters. Not for range obviously but because of decent link quality
Amen. And don't forget about the fixed-wing VTOL guys!
Yes. I fly both quad and FW. But FW has more of my attention.
Sometimes it irritates me when a good FPV CZcamsr says ".... but if you just fly quad, you don't need... (something we need in FW)....."
I fly fixed wing, helicopters, and quadcopters. Why wouldn't I come here to learn and grow? Are guys who fly quads only into quads and guys who fly fixed wings only into fixed wings? If that's true for some, that's totally fine. But why would anyone assume that?
As someone who also creates content, I can 100% appreciate the time and effort that goes into making a video... I can imagine then the pain of having to redo a whole chunk of the vid and re-upload, so I really appreciate that you've corrected the info in here Joshua, well done! Thanks for the shout outs too :)
True. Most people will probably have no idea about the hours of preperation that go into these style of videos. And in 2 month, everything is outdated ;)
wezley varty.. range testing master on the tube
Damn, if only I knew, I would have gone expressLRS before buying a crossfire system. I just love opensource philosophy and TBS software only works on freaking window$.
Bardwell literally always goes above and beyond anything he has to. He deserves any good thing that comes to him in life sincerely...
I have messaged him personally when I was having issues with my quad and he responded and helped me all the way until it was fixed
I wonder how much time it took Joshua Bardwell to prepare for this video?!
BTW, I made folding TPU holders for:
Crossfire Nano RX - Thingiverse 4731250
Tracer RX - Thingiverse 4805377
Ghost Atto RX - Thingiverse 4752951
Been using the Atto one for a few weeks; thanks for posting them!
One of the best JB videos so far I think. Finally you sorted out all the relevant facts and facets around the radio link. I surely learned something today, thank you Joshua!
Getting into FPV as a bit of a noob and finding so many of your videos invaluable. It's clear a lot of research goes into them, thank you very much for making this type of information so accessible!
Amazing coverage of RC control links! I've just entered the FPV hobby with a whoop 3 months ago with a X9D+ and XM+. I have been following this channel and others for a couple of years coming from flying Yuneec/DJI camera/video drones. ELRS 900MHz and 2.4GHz are amazing. Look forward to getting more FPV drones and trying out these new RC control links.
Thank you JB, a superb run through of these different options, I deffo learnt something today 😃
AHHH Ive been waiting for this, thanks Josh! :-)
Thanks for your time Joshua! This information is gold for good criteria.
Thanks from Argentina
Well done Joshua! This is the ultimate review for RC systems! 👏
ELRS! because it's fun to DIY!
Wow! All in one video. Great work!
So I'm very new the the FPV community. My first quad and transmitter was the phreakstyle with an XM+ and a QX7s. I spent about 80 hours of research over the course of 3 months trying to bind my transmitter. This video was extremely helpful with using ACCST and knowing what my next setup can be.
The updated segments are the entire ELRS segment at 27:45 and a note about ACCESS receiver at 10:46.
Regarding the comparison between Tracer and ELRS at around 28:47, the reason Tracer has much shorter range is that it's using FLRC modulation instead of LoRa modulation like ELRS. The tradeoff is that Tracer has full telemetry, while ELRS has only rudimentary telemetry (vBat, LQ, and RSSI). The claim that ELRS has superior range and latency is not just based on this one test, which I pulled from Wez's YT as an example, and to demonstrate that the claims are based on real flight testing not just theory. Wez has done tons of apples-to-apples comparisons between ELRS and other protocols, and ELRS wins every time. However, if you need full telemetry for features like Betaflight Lua scripts or MAVLINK, ExpressLRS is not the best solution (today).
Thanks for the update :)
For me ExpressLRS is a winner as I get superior range as well as I can stay within the 25mW rules in Europe and recycle my R9 equipment :)
Thanks for your work and all your video! But more telemetry has been added to ExpressLRS : github.com/ExpressLRS/ExpressLRS/pull/204 ;). As an open source project it evolve very quickly :D.
Thank you so much!^^
R9M ACCESS module can be used with the Radio Master TX16s. I have done mod on two RM TX16s and it works without issue. Here is the github link. github.com/cvetaevvitaliy/Radiomaster_TX16S
awesome update :) thanks for doing this!
This video should be mandatory education for anyone getting into the hobby. SO MUCH GREAT INFO. Thank you JB.
I would have saved about $200 on FrSky RX's that I either broke, or were outdated and I didn't know because I was new and just desperate to get in the air (like my XM+ and my R9 and my RX6R).
I installed an Archer RS recently and wish that I had just bought a CRSF Nano instead.
Ciao Joshua, you're the man, kudos to your drive and determination to bring the most up to date info even if it takes having to revise yr video.
Excellent job Joshua!!!
Thanks JB I’m researching this now to upgrade from regular taranis accs
Thanks, Joshua, you've done the great job.
I went with the tbs tracer because of the cost and I am very happy with it!
This video man...wow. Very very helpful for me. Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you! Great video. I am buying my first non LOS drone/plane (aiming for customisation as well) and I found it really informative!
Well done and precisely argued.
Excellent informative video, cheers J.B
Wow, I didn't expect the decision to be so easy! Looks like I'm going with 2.4GHz ELRS! I'm a huge nut about open source software/hardware (which thankfully is all over the place in the world of miniquads), and it's always amazing when the best choice overall happens to also be open source. Thanks so much for the comprehensive video!
I wish I would’ve went with a tx12 instead of qx7. Learned about elrs after I bought it… being a beginner mistakes like this make learning easier.
Thank you for a very informative video! Just in time!
i got my ghost setup up and runnig this week.
it feels amazing and the connection is solid
Great job JB !
Thank you Joshua just made my order cant wait to be back in the air
Well done Joshua. The previous video was good, this one is even better.
ExpressLRS best RC LINK, cheap, low latency ,far, tepemetry not delay
2.4Ggz?
Damn, if only I knew, I would have gone expressLRS before buying a crossfire system. I just love opensource philosophy and TBS software only works on freaking window$..
But it has only 4 full res channels, others are only 0-1-2 (aux), and i can not use it, because i am flying fixed wings
@@goku445 Wine?
@@KrotowX It didn't work with WINE sadly.
Ive been out of the hobby for the better part of the last 2 years. Coming to this video is amazing, the amount of research and information that goes into videos like these is so appreciated. Cheers from Aus
Came here to learn. You can't ask for better non biased education!! Thank you again Josh Bardwell.
Bardwell: You gonna learn something today!
Me: I use your videos to learn English!
Yeah, I absolutely agree! This is one of the best English channels - fantastic sound quality, which is so important to understand everything (esp. for me, because I'm german native). And Joshua's way of choosing the best possibility to describe something with few and simple words, despite of using the correct technical terms - absolutely amazing!
Again: thanks Joshua!
So do I. 🤓
Bonus! Learn FPV stuff and English! :Thumbs up
Bardwell used to be a kinder garden teacher.
@@daniels5796 it's more likely because JB is talking about something technical in English, and you are a German (technically, technical nationality) 🤷
I've already watched the original post. I'm rewatching the whole thing (in background) to keep the algorithm happy
Every month, I know I'll get my money's worth as a Patreon. This was super helpful. Thanks JB ✌️
I see why it took so long for this video to come out and it takes a lot to say the things you did and make the suggestions you have made ..I know you stand behind your word and that's why it took so long to come up with the right words .. thanks JB
Appreciate your experience - shows in this video. Didn't realize how Crossfire answers 99% of my concerns. RIP FrSky. (If I had more time, I'd try ExpressLRS)
Crossfire is truly a phenomenal link.
I have used and continue to use, for nearly 2 years, both the original R9M as well as the R9M 2019 using ACCST on my Jumper T16 Pro. I like using the R9Stab 900mc. stabilized receiver with the 2019 module flashed with ACCST firmware . I use the old R9M module with the R9 mini and slim. It does work with the right legacy firmware . It works well for me and allows me to use SmartPort sensors to see each battery cell which I insist on.
Bardwell delivers again -- great video JB, keep it up
Awesome video 👍 mostly getting the r9m very soon 🙌
Super-informative. Thank you.
To keep it short and simple: You rock!
Excellently explained.
I've watched the first one, but don't mind watching it again. Thanks JB. P. S. I fly crossfire on my Qx7 after one failsafe with r-xsr 1/3 of a mile away after adjusting my antenna. I've learned since that moving my TX antenna while in flight was a bad move however I haven't had a similar issue since.
Ive just got the HappyModel ExpressLRS 2.4ghz Tx and the EP2 RX, took a little computer work to get them flashed, which was done via wifi. Bound up no problem. I'm yet to test out range and penetration but I have high hopes for the system. The price was also very good, got the TX and RX for around £30!
Hey Joshua!
I tip my hat to you for updating the video! I know it was a lot of work.
i enjoy your videos. Very informative. Im new to the hobby. Trying to figure out what upgradable equipment i should start with.
Another video worth to see to make things about transmitter standarts clear in viewer head.
I'm done with FrSky and port inversion issues. Now in migration to Crossfire. By the way TBS Tango 2 already have multimodule with FrSky support.
EXCELLENT, VERY VERY TRANSPARENT REVIEWS
Thanks for this. Annoyingly I bought into Flysky (with the Turnigy Evolution!) when I first started FPV, and now I can't figure out an upgrade path that doesn't involve a certain amount of messing around.... with a mix of 5", 3" and whoops all configured and working OK, it'd be nice to move to a better radio and link system knowing it's going to be good for a while.
Thanks Joshua
There should be super like for videos like this!!
Fantastic! Thanks a lot, Joshua! 😃
I may flash my R9 with Express LRS!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
definitely do it
it actually makes r9 very competitive in the market again
You haven't done it yet?
@@laing0ian Unfortunately I haven't. 😕
It's a long history, but all my stuff was in my living room, then I constructed a new space for myself upstairs... Everything is already there, but my PC desk broke and I couldn't get another yet. 😕
I've been accessing the web only with my smartphone, so it gets a bit difficult. 😕
Anyway, remember that I'm from Brazil... And I'm not rich. 😬
Just as good as before, plus, thanks.
Thanks a lot!
You’re awesome josh!
Express LRS - I learned something new today.
Ausome channel love your work sir.
Thank you so much. Now I Know ! I go buy Elrs 😎
A couple of bits that you have missed with the TBS products. One is that they can talk to each other transmitter to receiver to VTX to Fusion enabling dynamic control, OSD and been able to update not only the receiver over the air but also the VTX. That's one of the biggest benefit's of TBS products. Another one is TBS also does PWM from 4, 6 and 8 channels through a simple adaptor boards for both Crossfire and Tracer. ImmersionRC Ghost is supposed to be getting a similar eco system to TBS, the orca goggles have a slot of a Ghost receiver for instance, but not much has been heard about it since. ELRS looks to becoming a great system for the future.
ghost already does that, infact the rx to vtx support is the same or better
Joshua, first EXCELLENT VIDEO! Covered it all very thoroughly. The only slide I think that was missing from this video was DJI's FPV control link and how that stands up to all of the others. I only mention it because so many folks (like myself) have BNF quads with DJI Air Units or Caddx Vista systems in them. Again, just for comparison purposes (latency, distance, etc.). Again..excellent video as I'm certainly thinking of going TBS CrossFire with a TBS Tango II controller myself (just to mix things up). 👍👍👍
I'll watch again the whole thing...😉👍 get you some CZcams points!
Thanks So much !!!!
Another great informative video Joshua 👍 ... I was all set to go down the Cross fire route , But now in thinking Express LRS 🤔 .. Hhhmmm .
Will you do some video's about ELRS? or have I missed some video from you where you talked about it?
You must be Drone Evangelist Joshua Bardwell :) I see a lot of your videos and pretty much all my answers to drone engineering comes from you. Right now I use CZcams mostly to seek your advice on various aspects of drone components and configuration. Without you knowing, you are making a big impact worldwide and I thank you for it. 3 cheers to the drone community and to you Joshua. I hope we meet in person sometime in the future.
you helped me a lot thanks
Just an FYI you do have some fixed wing/quad copter pilots that watch your videos. You always have a lot of information that can be useful for airplanes also! (such as battery chargers/range tests/FPV gear)
thank you man
love your videos man ... .love your movies too ... jaws and tin men .. hahaha .. kidding ...
hello from kuwait .... u true give it all ...
I bought the TBS oblivion rtf with the tango so i will prob just stick with tbs from now on and just add to what ive got
I am a little confused, will an R9M module NOT work in my Radiomaster TX12 controller?
First of. Thank you so much for all the information you put on CZcams. I'm researching fpv drones and your channel had been info overload. I have a question, do you need a radio and an rc link? Or can you fly with just the radio? Thank you in advance if you provide feed back.
Thanks to you i finally made my choice on what module is should buy. I bought a TBS Tracer starter kit for my ACCST Taranis QX7. I almost forgot about the qx7 telemetry mod. I also upgraded my gimbals.
Tracer also requires the telemetry mod FWIW but Ghost does not if you flash the ImmersoinRC build of OpenTX.
I had just sent message Questions to you! Thanks SOO MUCH!!
You left out team fail safe! Lol thanks for the great content! I switched from Spektrum to Tracer a few months ago and have been very happy. Tracer can outrun my 700mw DJI video with Iflight Crystals.
How far do you get with the crystals? Have you tried 1200mw? I am searching for a antennas to get out for like 6km. Still not sure if the truerc x-air V2 are worth it or if i should get the iflight crystal
@@hannesju3315 I don’t do long range so I wouldn’t be a good one to answer. Most I’ve ever gone is about 2km but I didn’t have any issues.
Ariel Imagery- still have any Spectrum receivers that you are interested in selling? As a JR flyer, I am currently locked into that arena, and of course finding difficulties buying receivers currently. Wanna talk?
@@wrstew1272 I sold them all already. Sorry
Joshua, R9m also works with Jumper radios (I'm specifically referring to minute 13:50).
Cheers
Thanks Joshua, love the follow up stuff and even links in the comments to updated videos (that’s how I’m here), it takes a lot of work going the extra mile, appreciate it my friend (I’ve watched that many videos you feel like one of my mates now lol, and the rest of the crew, and joe rogan hahaha) anyway... cheers, your videos have helped me immensely, many times, now I’m showing my son how to do his 1st build (mr Steele alien) mine was a zero 250 maze 32 lol, I’m not jealous at all like lol :)
I want them all, except R9, and yes I run an FrSky radio...lol
26:50 Tracefire lol :) the combo protocol wait for it. Thanks for the vids. Maybe I should get a prize for helping you realise the future protocol JB's tracefire link.
Also Joshua, I saw you left a comment that the performance is very similar, this is because all of these systems use nearly identical hardware, on the tx it's a 250-1000mw transceiver with a semtech sx12xx chip and a stm32fx chip and the receivers are a semtech sx12xx along with an stm32f0 processor and minimal supporting circuit. The only meaningful differences between them are firmware and operating frequency.
One of the most important updates of the year. Good job. Would like to know what the future is for video systems. I've been putting off buying a digital video system thinking someday SharkByte may catch up to DJI. I don't trust DJI. I know Timecop hated their guts.
Where is Timecop?
@@raypeery6317 haven't heard from him in years.
@@highwaymen1237 that was an interesting time in this hobby. And yes, he hated DJI with a white hot passion. lol
i started with frsky... a friend o mine told me its good, but he wasnt up to date in fpv business for few years... now im sittign here, got 2 taranis, one with accst (d8 & d16), one with access (only d16)... i wish i could excahnge all my frsky receivers & transmitters for a few crossfires or elrs -.-'
LUDICROUS POWER!!!!
nice video JB. Could you do a video with spektrum srxl2?
Sheesh. Still on my first build and im gonna sell that crsf rx straight away again and get into the elrs sht. Why havent i heard anything about this :D
I am new to FPV I have a few quads and want to change from Spektum to something better for both fixed wing and quads. Also what are the restrictions the FCC puts on 5ghz 2.4 ghz 900mhz ? Been watchin you for quite a while lots of good content a acurate. Keep it up !
I'm rockin mainly Xfire & ExpressLRS (converted all my r9 stuff to it). Now I just started the video but I hope you test out the xfire nano diversity rx b/c I was honestly really enjoying the performance of ExpressLRS but missed being able to use MAVlink over xfire and getting the diversity rx made xfire perform like 2x better compared to just using a xfire nano se rx 👍🏼
Hey Joshua, what radio do you recommend to use with the Crossfire module ? If cost isn't a concern.
Crossfire/unify pro 32 hv/fusion is the best links hands down! If you have spent any money anywhere else and then got these you wouldn't regret it! So just buy them first
Well damn frsky for the new protocol and added confusion. I was just loosing interest in flying camera drones a little bit. Then I got the best deal ever on a open box dji fpv combo. Instantly had brand new stronger than ever desire to fly. 41 stars in the dji simulator, a slightly overpriced tiny hawk three kit. A digiadapter and rapid-fire module because I couldn't see withthe tinyhawk goggles. moblite 7 being delivered tomorrow. Already have what seems to be never-ending plans to buy more stuff now. Heeeeeelp I can't stop now. I just want to freestyle and learn to fly better in acro mode with higher rates. Oh yeah bought a racing gate the other day too. Probably going to have to get a bunch more of them.
Just got my SharkByte stuff, so I'm eager to start a new build. Also looking to ditch FrSky, so... _[rubs hands together]_ Let's frickin go.
I just purchased the GEPRC babycroc BNF with R9M reciever preinstalled
im preparing myself for my first cinewhoop build and i been watching your videos trying to take in all this info and trying to decide on a parts list and my Brian hurts lol
I believe the King of range is still DragonLink. Guys have gone over 100 MILES! But they are focused much less on low latency since they mostly cater to fixed wing installations.
I've got a Jumper T16, so FrSky Accst BNF is going to be my way forward until I can save up for a module.
Probably going to spring for TBS Crossfire.
If I need to replace or upgrade my Jumper, probably going to spring for something with ExpressLRS 2.4 built in and use then-my Crossfire mod for any models that still use it by then, as my long term plan.
Might also spring for a commercial eLRS module setup since I haven't really started my return to FPV in earnest yet.
Im using elrs myself, its great never lose radio signal unless it runs out of battery! (True story) awesome technology
Hey Joshua. Great vid. Do you have any experience with Thomas Scherrer (433/444 Mhz) systems?
Would love to see a supplement considering DragonLink 433!