World's Fastest: Queen Mary races NORMANDIE
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- The RMS Queen Mary was once the fastest ocean liner in the world, but she had to fight to earn that title. Find out how the Queen Mary managed to wrest the coveted Blue Riband from her French rival the Normandie.
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I wish Oceans Liners would make a come back. The journey to your destination should always be an experience.
I agree it would be such a exciting experience to be onboard one of these liners they look so better than these cruise ships today
Thats why i want to be a billionare, raise the RMS Queen Elizabeth, make her and even one more sistership to the world. The the S.S United states and one to two sisters for her. The i would build four more smaller agile ones. Also The QM and sisters and S.S United states would have over 400 000 shaft horses and six bladed screws and lavish interiors. I would not require payback, but it might be so popular that i break even in 5-10 years.
Unfortunately, people aren’t interested in experience. They’re interested in speed. How can I get from this place to that place. The only exception is cruising.
Well, the service could have 2.5 day and 5 day boats, and anyways, nowadays people want that experience. It might or might not work.
Well, in a steam locomotive pulled train going 260 Kmh, that would be possible, through modern tech, old world comfort and proper service, on and off the train it could work.
Normandy was also a great vessel and she deserves to be recognized as such, she had great looking modern smokestacks and looked like she was more aerodynamic. 💕💕
She was a lovely lady
I remember reading somewhere that originally Cunard had thought of calling her Queen Elizabeth (the Tudor one) or Queen Victoria (I think it was) and when George V was discussing construction with the Cunard people at some event he asked, "What do you plan to call her?" The response was, "Sir, we are planning to name her after one of England's greatest queens". To which George said, "That's wonderful! My wife will be so pleased!" And thus, Queen Mary was named.
Yeah, but don't tell that to the Queen Mary fans, they'll rip you to pieces over that story lol
In 1966 I had a summer job in a hotel in Cowes on the Isle of Wight. This is overlooked the Solent and was the perfect point to see the liners as they awaited their tugs to take them into Southampton. It was also one of the final years when there was a regular passenger service. All the classics were there, Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth, United States and France together with the Union Castle fleet. Incredible sights.
Wow, sounds incredible. Consider yourself lucky to see such wonderful ships in a short time span
It would have been wild to see the Normandie. Full on French luxury.
The Queen Mary beat Normandie by less than half a knot. Even with engines that had 60,000 more horsepower. The QM geared turbines were antiquated compared to Normandie's turbo electric drive. Normandie was the superior design in every way. That being said: Long Live The Queen!
Just think for a moment...QM's antiquated geared turbines BEAT Normandie's state-of-the-art turbo-electric drive, I think I can confidently say that's one way Normandie was not superior ;)
The Queen Mary was Queen Mary. The Normandie was Marlene Dietrich
@@brober All the opulence and posh style the Normandie had was seemingly for nothing. The only people who could enjoy the Normandie were the super rich, and even then the idea of having such a palace-like atmosphere was no longer appreciated in society. On board the Queen Mary, even 3rd class could enjoy their own beautiful interiors and there were more bathrooms onboard than any other liner, so you didn't have to share a bathroom with as many passengers. The Normandie might have fit well if the days of extreme classism had lasted through the 1930's but...it didn't.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there's a lot of folks who say the Normandie was the most beautiful and luxurious ship ever built. I myself see no beauty in the Normandie, to me it looks unattractive inside and out, I can see why it never turned a profit, too ritzy and too cold.
@@AlextheHistorian Chacun à son goût. George V thought Queen Mary was a beautiful woman.
I think she was too
We were recently discussing the QM in class, and I, being the ocean liner nerd that I am, was heartbroken at all the QM slander, just because of the rumours that she was haunted.
It's really sad how being haunted is pretty much the only thing she is remembered for in this day and age.
She was slandered for BEING haunted? I thought that was usually a draw for people (much as I'd prefer people visit for other reasons). Not enough of a draw to keep crowds, granted. But I didn't know she was looked down upon for that reputation.
Fans of the QM look down upon the ship's haunted reputation, and the reason is because it's not true. The Haunted aspect of the ship draws crowds during Halloween, but for the rest of the year thr ship is empty, and the reason why is because the general public doesn't want to stay on a haunted ship...its gimmicky and tacky. The only people who care are paranormal enthusiasts...but there aren't enough paranormal enthusiasts to keep the ship profitable year round.
As an ocean liner nerd and a paranormal enthusiast, I see this as an absolute win.
Having stayed on her with my wife on one night of our honeymoon in 2016 -we spent three weeks driving around California in an open top mustang). I believe she is haunted, no ghosts in our cabin but on taking the tour my wife took photos at the swimming pool which is supposed to be haunted and in it you can see 3 people standing on the lower level who weren’t there in person. A year before my parents, both at the time skeptics of anything ghostly especially my mother had toured the ship and she felt really ill and uncomfortable down in the engine room, where another supposed ghost haunts. Believe or disbelieve if you wish. BTW we didn’t go there because it’s supposedly haunted, it was just somewhere iconic to visit on our tour. Sadly the hotel operation itself at that time was quite poor in fact, basic, little in the way of service or amenities, more like a travelodge and not befitting a luxury liner but I think that company and at least one other since have gone kaput to date.
imagine seeing the worlds fastest ship next to the worlds biggest ship man that’s a sight
Let's go bowling!
Biggest was QM2.
The Normandie was one of the best and it was sad to see her go 😢
While thousands got to experience the queen Mary and queen Elizabeth’s lavash enteriors, not many got to experience the Normandie. Only people who’s family members got to experience these ships will know there true beauty❤
While these ships went onto be famous and appreciated Normandie got forgotten by many.
In my own words “imagining the Normandie, is like imagining a beautiful dream.
I’m not saying that United States and queen Mary are bad, but Normandie had something about her, Something that in my eyes made her special.
This is just my opinion and if you agree that’s fine but others mey think of queen Mary or United States as the best.
IIRC, there's a story that says that when United States passed Queen Mary, she signalled "Sorry to have to pass you like this.", to which Queen Mary replied "That's alright, a real lady doesn't like to be seen in fast company!"
Thank you for doing these. I grew up visiting the QM, which got me interested in all the other Golden Age liners. As the last surviving examples of this bygone era, they're worth preserving. I just wish that wasn't such a precarious thing, financially... I know it's unlikely to ever be possible, but I wonder if she wouldn't be better off in San Diego or up near Iowa in LA.
You know, that's a great point. Ports-o-call-San Pedro is going through a massive re-development project currently and I wonder if moving the Queen was considered? I do know it was stated the Iowa will be moved once the project is completed(to a better location I assume within Ports-o-Call). Also, it's too bad the SS Catalina wasn't saved.
From the thumbnail and title, I thought this was going to be an actual simmed race ! I wasn't disappointed though. Your voice is perfect for historical documentaries.
I really do hope that the next operator of the Mary is able to make her a truly world class attraction that people visit time after time. Great video! It's also interesting to recall the speed and size competition on the Atlantic during the period from 1890 to 1914. The fierce competition between the British and Germans over the fastest, largest, and most luxurious liner during that time is to be almost as legendary as the fierce competition during the 30's over the title of worlds fastest liner.
Wonderful video, made me tear up a bit! ...these icons are so much more than just 'ships'.
I hope both will be properly restored and looked after..it's sad to see them both looking a little worse for wear these days.
I hope so too
Olympic class/queen mary/lusitania class. is for me the most beautiful ocean liners ever build
Wow Alex. I legitimately thought you hired someone else to narrate at first. You sound great and continually blow my mind with these videos. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! I almost hired someone else but decided to try it out myself lol no filters or synthesizers needed 😅
Thank you, Alex, for the great work you are doing. I live just 30 minutes down the highway from RMS Queen Mary, and was not quite 3 years of age when she steamed into Long Beach Harbour. My dad was one of many who went out to greet her, and years later still spoke with reverence and awe of the sight of her coming into port under her own power. She was the first liner I was aware of and was what made me fall in love with Ocean Liners, and her magic that enchanted me years ago has never left. I remember being thrilled to be aboard her and the memory of seeing one of her huge propellers still gives me goose bumps. I wanted to stand up and cheer when you said that both the QM & Big U should be saved. I couldn't agree more. They are priceless pieces of our history and must be saved. We need to open more eyes, minds, and hearts to these wonders of the world. You are doing just that, and I thank you. Let all of us who love these great ships stand together and never give up. They can, they must, they will be saved!
I like how Alex is still commenting on his old videos 1 year later, bet he will comment on this one, also nice video
Thank you! And yes, I try to keep up with comments
Beautifully put together ❤️
Thanks!
Man the growth in production from your first videos, although very entertaining themselves, is impressive. Well done!
Thanks!
Still Waiting for Dec. 26. 2034 to celebrate her 100th birthday
Alex, I just love this video. This is great History! I have never met anyone, in person or virtually that loves Queen Mary as much as you in this Generation. Queen Mary is the epitome of Ocean Liner travel. What I wouldn't give to sail on her. She is so beautiful. I miss her everyday. The hardest part about being in Indiana is that I am 2000 miles away from her whereas when I lived in Rancho Cucamonga in California I was only an hour. Thank you so much, Alex. Thank you.
You're welcome!
The SS United States and the RMS Queen Mary are super awesome just like you alex
Thank you :D
This alex is a moron, he's not awesome.
The condition of the United States is heartbreaking. It represents how Americans know so little about history - no matter how "prideful" they might be, everything is about money unfortunately.
Great video, thank you!
I don't follow. SS United States has been saved from turning into scrap by multiple investors, which is where almost all retired liners end up if not on the bottom of the ocean. The US has preserved several iconic historic buildings and properties all over the country. On top of that the US has preserved Queen Mary, London Bridge, and several Titanic artifacts across several museums (none of which even originate in the US). With the plethora of historic preservations in the US, one could argue we invest too much in history. Now if you're talking about learning from our history, that's a different story but also not an uncommon tragedy in the world. ;)
You do know that Queen Mary is owned and maintained by Americans?
loving this series! keep up the good work 👍
Just hit that SUB button. I love these two ships and have been sadden by the QM news. Like you I really hope that both these ships can be saved. I would love to bring my kids to them both. That feeling you get when you see them for the first time is overwhelming.
The Queen Mary still holds the record for the most passengers on a single ship crossing. 16683 total people on board during a crossing in WWII.
Another excellent production Alex!
The Mary didn't only roll in rough seas. She rolled. Accd'g to a crewman, "She could roll the milk out of a cup of tea." It took until the late 1950s to install stabilizers.
Was that your drone work at the beginning? It really looks like you found a new cause, this vide was a great watch and the narration "as usual" was spot on. Thanks for your time and work on your videos.
Thank you! The drone footage at the beginning belonged to AeroRealm there is a link to the video in the description.
Normandie's life was like the the tragedy of a Greek Hero. She was unquestionably the most innovative, daring and modern of the great liners built in the interwar period. Queen Mary was certainly well built and a handsome ship but she was very much a traditionalist which was built and designed in a conservative manner. Normandie's life was tragically cut short after less than a decade of service first by the Second World War and then by the mismanagement and incompetency of the US Navy personnel responsible for converting her into a troop ship. Had she survived the war and returned to peace time service it is certainly conceivable that she could have turned a profit for her owners and possibly even squeezed that fraction of a knot of speed out of her engines and hull to retake the speed crown. As it was she went through at least 3 sets of propellers in efforts to improve issues with vibration and increase her speed. Who is to say that hydronamic research done during WW2 might not have given her a set that would have made her faster still after the war.
Then Cunard would have also given Queen Mary a new set of propellers after the war as well. They did not like the French having the title of fastest liner.
@AlextheHistorian If Cunard didn't like that, the Normadie held the Blue Ribband than why did they not care about it when SS United States took it from Queen Mary?
but like 1942 the normandie caught fire and capsized onto her port side while being converted to a troop ship on the hudson river and she was scraped later in october 1946
Thank you Alex, your the best!
What a wonderful epilogue. Fantastic video!
Thank you!
*The SS.NORMANDIE is considered the most beautiful and luxurious ocean liner of all time, when I see the photos I have no trouble believing it !*
Awesome video Alex ty
This was an interesting video! Thanks for sharing, Alex! 🛳
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another magnificent video, Alex! You definitely hold the Blue Riband for amazing QUEEN MARY videos. ;)
You need to somehow be involved with the future operation, preservation and restoration of QUEEN MARY. You have some truly wonderful ideas, and your love for her is palpable - as is mine.
We should talk...
Thank you. Yes I would like to be involved in her operation or preservation. I could probably make a career out of it the way Commodore Everett Hoard did. But alas I don't know anyone who can offer me that kind of work.
Outstanding video!
Enjoyed viewing it immensely and even learned something new! I didn't know that Mary's first Blue Ribbon win was so close to Normandie's that it
was contested...go figure.🤔
WATCHING YOUR VIDEO ALEX FOR THE SECOND TIME I HAVE SEEN AND LEARNED MORE !!!,,.. THANKS,,...
I thought this would be boring. However, I’m finding it to be quite informing! You did a GREAT JOB!
Thanks
Loving these Alex, keep the hope up my friend.
I really hope the ss United States would get restored like the RMS Queen Mary. Both of them are fabulous ships. I would love to visit both of them one day
Alex, I am increasingly becoming a big fan of the documentaries that you make, this one came up as a suggested video and it is very interesting and impressive.
You do have the perfect voice to be a narrator and combined with lots of interesting visuals and information.
I found your channel as a suggested video around three months ago and I have been very impressed by you and your very interesting videos ever since🙂
I have had the great pleasure of being able to visit the Queen Mary many times over the years since I was a teenager back in the mid 80's and I have had the chance to see the SS United States a few times in recent years when flying in from the north and landing in Philadelphia.
If you look out of the right side of the airplane as you are coming in for landing from the north into Philadelphia, you can easily see the SS United States in her dock.
I have seen a video a couple years ago on CZcams of the SS United States from a person who was some how given access to go on board and unfortunately the former pride of the United States is pretty well gutted, which is actually a pretty sad sight to see.
Thankfully so far that has never been the fate for the Queen Mary.
The SS United States would be interesting to see if she could ever be restored considering her history, but I can't even imagine how many millions of dollars that it would take to restore her, considering the very sad shape that she appears to be in, I'm not holding my breath to be able to ever see that happening.
Keep making your wonderful documentaries Alex, you definitely have the knack for it. I can definitely imagine you having a very successful future with your very interesting documentaries and not just on CZcams👍🙂
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words!
Lovely video for comparing these grand ships as they were in their prime. :) All the same, the bit at the end about preservation seemed to imply running them again. Having just seen a video on Rolling Mary's absolutely horrendous tendency to roll and pitch in rough seas, that was a scary thought! But, of course, I'm sure she'd only be taken out in fine weather, and we have vastly better weather monitoring and prediction facilities than when she was at her prime. As to how scary, once, the grand piano in one of the lounges broke free and smashed every piece of furniture in the room; there was nothing left. Worse, over the ship's operating life, 5 people were killed just trying to use the 3rd-class stairway.
Lol that was my video you watched, "The Rolling Mary: Danger In Rough Seas" :D
As for what I said about "preservation" I didn't mean to run them again, I meant to keep them from degrading prematurely into a heap of metal at the bottom of a bay.
@@AlextheHistorian Ah, sorry! :D And that's a relief, haha!
I got plenty more videos on the Queen Mary and even other stuff like the San Francisco Cable Cars, be sure to explore my channel!
Brilliant video ❤
Thanks!
@Alex the Historian A pleasure, your very welcome. I am a big ocean liner fan, love all these old ships with Queen Mary being my favourite. If time travel ever becomes possible I'd love to go back in time and sail on these beautiful ships, particularly Queen Mary. It's great to see her getting the much needed repairs, love and attention she deserves. I love all your videos you do and the passion and detail is just class 👌 keep up the good work and I look forward to your next video 🚢 🚢 🚢 Stephen, Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪 🙌🙏
I was aboard the SS United States in 1956. Beautiful ship. It was palatial. But the cabins were tiny. Unfortunately she’s been gutted. There’s nothing there to maintain.
Even though the Queen Mary is home built, the Normandie will always be the best oceanliner!
Well, in your opinion. 😁 I prefer the Mary
I am French, and I admire your impartiality. Thanks ! Unfortunately, many of your compatriots will never admit that Normandie was the best liner ever built, just because she was not british, but french.
crazy the US currently has the two fastest ocean liners ever made.
And neither of them are being properly utilized for tourism!
The QM shouldn’t be in the US. Should come back to Southampton or on the Clyde in Scotland where she was made.
Well, she's in our hands, so the best we can do is to hold those responsible for her care, to a high degree of accountability. Parts of her hull are 90 years old, she'll never make the long and dangerous journey to Britain, so it's not good to dwell on it.
@@AlextheHistorian Yes that’s the sad truth. I wonder if one of those ship platforms could carry her back?
Even if they could hire one, you're talking about a trip lasting a couple weeks at sea, costing tens of millions, with a high chance of damage due to rough weather. Not to mention, someone in the UK would have to be willing to purchase the ship from Long Beach for probably 200 million, and put 10 million a year into her care and upkeep. Even with the best care, she might only have another 45 years left in her.
Great video Alex very enjoyable, are all the propellers is on the QM?
The Queen Mary currently only has 1 propeller on her, the other three were removed, two of them being put on display in other places, and one was melted down to make commemorative souvenirs.
@@AlextheHistorian Thanks Alex. That's sad the QM is slowly being dismantled over the decades. With the latest being her lifeboats...
Does anyone know where the original colour footage came from of Normandie in Eric Langes’s French documentary ‘A bord de Normandie’? I’m keen to track down the rights holder for a documentary about this ship for History Channel. Any leads would be amazing! Thanks.
HI ALEX -- GREAT VIDEO!!! I DIDNT KNOW THE Q.M. HELD THE BLUE RIBBON FOR 14 YR.S THEN THE U.S.S. TOOK IT BACK .. THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO ,,.. AGAIN..
Huge respects fro preserving these. Amazing ships. If I would not live in the other side of the world, I would be booking the Queen for a night :)
Well said I have been on the Mary , what a beautiful ship!!! Let’s hope someone does something with the United States.
8:18 the horn blast was pretty underwhelming, surely when they sounded the horn blast that day it was mightier… they really need to increase the PSI when sounding her forward horns so we can truly hear that powerful howl she once had. It’s more of a tired sound unbefitting a vessel of her prestige.
The horn is activated at the same pressure it always was. I heavily modified the recording so it wouldn't bother the people wearing headphones, and so it wouldn't distract from the music and mood. If you want to hear the horn blast in full, watch my Queen Mary Virtual tour video.
The QM was horrid in stormy weather - I sailed on her 3 times
As Art Lover (and I love Art Deco), Normandie is the most beautiful boat ever.
Did you add some kind of filter to your voice on this one? It sounds a bit off and can't quite figure it out.
No filter, no voice altering. I just spoke deeper.
The SS United States was designed by a Naval Architect, was built like a battleship, and even to be turned into one in the Advent of war, so all other ocean liners never stood a chance. But part of the reason many still preferred the Queen Mary for travel, is because the SS United States was all Steel, and had no wood decor, but the Queen Mary did and was better decorated.
The Queen Mary was similar, she was designed to be stronger than necessary because she was intended to be used for war. Most british ocean liners were designed for war, and their designs had to be approved by the British Admiralty.
Wonderful. Long live the R. M. S. Queen Mary! The Greatest Ocean Liner in history! 🚢🚢🚢
Sorry, but NORMANDIE is more widely considered the most beautiful and greatest ocean liner ever built.
@Roast Beef Sandwhich, that actually depends upon who you ask. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and "greatest" is a term that should also consider popularity. It is common knowledge the Queen Mary was more popular than the Normandie. The Normandie's voyages operated at a loss. I personally don't think the Normandie was beautiful, I think it looked gaudy and overdone. Many people who rode the Normandie thought so as well.
It sounds like the Queen Mary is (thankfully) out of the hands of Evil Mouse, Inc. Hopefully they can continue to give her the attention she so richly deserves.
As for "the Big U", it would be nice to see her saved from scrapping, and restored to some form of her former glory, but it will be a massive undertaking, in time and money. However, I believe she deserves to be preserved, too. (In a perfect world, it'd be nice to see both ladies sailing the oceans again, as that's what ships are for.)
If I had more money I would save both ships
You would have to be Jeff Bezos to do so.
I actually saw the uss. United States when i went to Philadelphia and i didn’t know what the ship was called this helped me figure it out and it was a beautiful ship from what i saw driving by it
I'd love to see the complete stock color footage of Queen Mary from the 1960s Id guess. The cabin shown at 9:39 I could almost swear was the one I recently stayed in. A004. Is there any more information about this film stock? She still has the charm and warm grandiosity in 2023 as she did in her service.
as a very young kid I traveled on both Queens and United States several times, at the end of their services late 60s. I remember it all like yesterday, details on request 🙂
I am a fan of your channel and ocean liners I am from Pakistan my country's creator Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah lived from 1876 to 1948 so that means that he was around when everything you say in this video happened when the RMS Lusitania sailed into New York when the RMS Mauretania sailed into New York when the RMS Olympic sailed into New York harbor when the RMS Titanic sank when WWI happened when the Lusitania sank when the HMHS
Britannic sank when the great depression happened when WWII happened when Pakistan Was born he was around when the most iconic ships aka ocean liners sailed through the oceans
Disgusted at the hate being put in the comments of the new Bright Sun Films episode, thanks for sticking with her my dude.
Bright Sun Films video is still accurate. Believe it or not. There are a lot of abandoned buildings on that site. You know that Russian submarine as well as that London village? Yeah. All of that is abandoned on the Queen Mary property.
Yes it's accurate, but there is a lot of hate going around in everyone's comments section about the Queen Mary. People who really just don't give a crap. And thats ok that's their opinion. But don't knock people who like history.
@@AlextheHistorian I tend to disagree. Mainly because I don't find that to be true. I've been scrolling through the comments and I have only found one person who has been hating the Queen Mary. (Because why would anyone hate or not care about a 1930s ocean liner. Seriously. It's not like they could watch something else instead.) I'm sure that's just an isolated group of people who shouldn't be taken seriously. Bright Sun Films says in the video that the Queen Mary is very beloved and shouldn't be scrapped. I've only found one person who falsely claims that the Queen Mary should be scrapped in India because it has no historical value and the ship is rotting. For some reason he claimed that the SS United States conservancy was a fake scam, etc, etc. I can try and post pictures if you're interested. However, I really don't see any real arguments going on regarding his video that are worth mentioning. I'd be interested to hear about the hate in Bright Sun Film's or any other Queen Mary video. However, that video obviously wasn't created to spread hatred.
You're absolutely right that video wasn't made to spread hatred at all. But there are people who just hate the ship. I made a video called "Let's Save the RMS Queen Mary" and I've had to deal with a lot of that hate. They say things like "its just a boat, toss it in the scrap pile" or "who gives a crap, its British, let them have it" or "worthless rusting hulk, chop it up". I even had to ban two people from my channel who were harassing my viewers simply because they liked the ship. Thankfully there's a lot more love out there than there is hate for the ship, but believe me this ship is a huge controversy and there are a lot of people out there who really don't give a crap about it.
@@AlextheHistorian Same dude, the video was great but I think it gave people the wrong impression of her. From an outsider's POV not hearing about it before, watching that video could make you ask "Who cares." I respect Jake a ton but he did not include how much is still there, which means most assume it is an empty hull like the Big U. The thing she needs right now is attention, so obviously it did a great job, now we just have to show why it is worth keeping (and may I say, you are doing a wonderful job at that )
To my eyes all three Normandie, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth are beautiful ships. Queen Mary is said to have achieved 32.84 knots on trials so that may be close to her maximum possible. She did later on get better propellers which improved overall efficiency and may also have improved top speed a little, maybe to 33 knots flat out. The nature of steam turbines is that you can overload them to produce more power, which will give more speed, if you have the steam available. Although Queen Elizabeth had the same turbines as the Queen Mary it is my understanding that the Queen Mary had more steam generating capacity therefore she was always going to be able to go a bit faster by flogging the turbines more. Both British ships had a conservative hull form and single reduction geared turbines whereas Normandy had a really efficient hull form and turbo electric drive consisting of steam turbines driving AC generators (i.e. alternators) which power large AC motors (synchronous type probably) that directly drive the propellers. A neat design that had been developed by the US Navy some years before. Normandie would be able to achieve any given speed to her maximum with less power than the British ships. She was sawn off, her story was not over when she was so tragically lost. She still had a lot to offer and would have given the Queen Mary a run for her money after the war. Queen Mary may have been just a fraction faster though, by virtue of brute power but thats not to say Queen Mary was a brute; she was not. She was a beautiful and elegant ship.
The Queen Elizabeth is almost always forgotten even though she was the largest and most beautiful of them all !
1:57 that sounds badass!
I snorted out loud when the narrator said the ship was the “pride of the United States.” I often dive right by the SSUS, and it’s a rusting hulk.
A good analogy for the current state of the US. It's still there, she still stands, but she is in definite need of maintaining.
Bu it WAS pride of the U.S.A.
RMS Queen Mary : Congratulations US 🏆🥇
SS United States : HAIL QUEEN MARY!!!! ⭐🎖️👑
Public when ships sink: The crew was careless and thought about prestige of the company work for instead of passengers safety.
Also the public: The crew had to small balls to let the ship go as fast as it could, even if vibrations could damage the ship.
Hey that's me!
The Queen Mary was fast
Those 4 screws.were turbine
Powered!
"she still remains the queen of the sea"
wanna know the first ever queen of the sea?
the R.M.S Oceanic.
She dead 😛
Actually I'll eventually be doing some videos about Oceanic.
3:18 "for many officers, titanic was still earily in their memories"
Ah yes, 1912 = 1936
It's true, there were officers on the Queen Mary who served on ships even 20 years before. QM's master, Sir Edgar Britten said he didn't want to take the risk of speeding on to New York because he remembered the tragic day he found out the Titanic sank.
COOL
Still think that the Normandie was better.
How?
Agreed honestly
@@ethanlaforest2284 How was Normandie better than Queen Mary?
@@King.of.Battleships personal opinion mainly, I just like the design of the superstructure/ hull a bit better. I think it's quite sleek.
IM HERE IM HERE
Eric, have you been able to make it back to the parks yet?
@@maycausedizziness sadly, I have not. But I do intend on going to the friend of mine soon
Great video of two of my favorite ships! I wish something would be done to save the U.S. United states!!
Someone said to me yesterday a contract was signed to turn it into a hotel. But I haven't looked into it to see if it's true or not
Why did you not mention anything about The Normandie sinking in '42 ?
I don't understand the "vibration" problem all these ship had to deal with. What causes it?
When something so huge as a propeller spins so fast, unless it is balanced absolutely perfect, it will wobble, and that causes vibration. Even the wheels on a car can wobble, but cars have the advantage of being able to add counter-weights to the wheels to reduce wobble. On a propeller, the WHOLE propeller must be replaced.
Nice video I have seen the united states a few times. The Queen Mary and The Big U should be restored to their former glory as they are the last of their kind left and while I know the Queen Mary won't be scarpped it would be tragic if the united states is
I mean Titanic was so fast that the iceberg didn't render in until the last moment.
I miss the Queens' dry dock
I love Queen Mary 💕
If the war had not destroyed the Normandie, she would have won again the Blue Ribbon.
No I dont think so, they added weight to Normandie in 1936 to make her "bigger" than Queen Mary, if they hadn't don't that, then yes I would say Normandie could have won back the Ribband. But Normandie had a whole year to try to win it back and she just couldn't.
@@AlextheHistorian The war was coming, mobilization and other matters were more occupying ...
The war did not destroy Normandie. Some incompetent Americans did.
@@AlextheHistorian It is your opinion but it is not convincing
Hard to truly compare, as the Normandi’s life was pathetically, and tragically cut short!
What might her wartime service have been, and what a great legacy life she might have had as a refurbished giant of the seas!
The Queen Mary is beautiful “Art Deco”… and we love her…. But her nautical and aesthetic designs can’t hold a candle to the finest Art Deco, that was created by the French, the ones who conceived the Art Deco style!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Queen Mary has a stately, dignified beauty, while Normandie had a flamboyant showy beauty.
It was a mistake to send the SSUS to Ukraine to have its interiors stripped out. Although material containing asbestos is a health hazard, if the inside of the ship had remained intact, it wouldn't necessarily have been more dangerous for people today than it was over 50 years ago. The QM also has materials that contain asbestos, as other older structures do too. The SSUS could have been preserved as a tribute to the 1950s & as America's winner of the Blue Riband. However, it was less historic, interesting & attractive than the QM is. So even if the SSUS were in perfect condition (& whether in Philly or elsewhere) I don't know if it ever will be a strong enough tourist attraction.
Was SS America given the name USS Westpoint when it was commissioned into the US Navy as a Troop Transport?
If so, my dad was on that ship in 1941
Yes it was, and that's really cool!
The Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth had more rivals than the SS Normandie. They were.
Rex and Conte di Savoia from Italy
Bremen and Europa from Germany.
Alex, do you think Queen Mary was superior to Rex,Bremen and Europa, and Normandie in every way?
No, not in every way. There were many ways in which the other ships were superior.
@@AlextheHistorian They all used steam Turbines except Normandie. But QM's Turbines were much more powerful. The only advantage Bremen and Europa had over QM was a bulbous bow.
Yes but you're talking about only one aspect of the technology. Just because Queen Mary was more powerful, doesn't mean the advanced design and technology of the other ships were any less revolutionary for their time. Normandie could achieve very nearly the same speed as Queen Mary and did so using less fuel and less effort, that's a superior design.
True, but Queen Mary did have some comparable design advantages.
Normandie had a Turbo Electric Drive and a bulbous bow. Bremen and Europa had a bulbous bow, BUT Queen Mary had a cruiser stern.
I so wish the NORMANDIE had survived the war, to carry on their rivalry and remain one of the most beautiful, grandest ship ever built. As for these days, last I heard, the MARY was in sad shape and needed a lot of expensive work, and funding is hard to come by these days. S.S. UNITED STATES' situation is far worse; she's very dilapidated, would need MAJOR, MAJOR work even to be habitable, and has been laid up since 1969 - a total of 53 YEARS. I don't know of ANY ship that could remain unmaintained for 53 years and survive- she was built by William Francis Gibbs, so maybe she's in a unique position to avoid that fate, but I doubt it. The reality is it would cost millions, at MINIMUM, just to restore her to a state where the public could even be let on BOARD. I just don't see this happening. She has avoided the scrapyard a number of times by sheer good fortune, but I fear her luck may soon run out.
On the very small chance I get enough money I would love to buy restore and let her sail once more
I want The Queen Mary to steal back again and being The fastest ocean liner in existence
The SS United States maybe wasn't the most fancy liner ever but was ahead of its time.
The ss united States is located in Philadelphia pa I see it when I got to a Phillies game or to aunt's house and rms queen Mary is located in Long Beach CA
Queen Mary... Such a beautiful vessel and pride of England that we took in as our own beloved ship in 🇺🇸 America. SS United States is a great vessel too and should be fully restored as she too still holds the title she took away from the Queen. 💕💕
8:41. SS United States was going so fast that the sea basically power washed paint off her bow.
Same used to happen to Queen Mary and Normandie.
Idk how a ship going over 30 mph can strip the paint off the hull. Is it the salts in the sea water?.
back in the days when they still advertised with how short you would have to stay on a ship :P faster ship = quicker at the destiniation = less time to spend money on board on overpriced wifi and drinks.
Thats because these were not cruise ships. You didn't book a voyage on these for fun.