You sir are a legend. The fact that you took time out of your day to make a video responding to a single comment is very rare now a days. Will be looking foward for more firework related videos and launches!
No problem! Fireworks are my passion. I will always try to inform or share any information that I can....(I'm actually addicted to fireworks!) Know how I know? I spend ,y money on it, and when I'm done.....I have nothing to show for it but a smile! :)
Hey I hope you're well. Your videos have been super informative and such a great help for me in my journey to getting my license and building my own indoor magazine. I'm at the point now where I've spoken to my assigned ATF agent and everything is in order he just says he requires one more thing pertaining to the indoor magazine. He said he needs some kind of confirmation from a local authority basically them okay'ing that I'll be having an storage for this kind of thing. He said if I can get that, then we can move on to an actual inspection of everything. Did you have to do similar? It caught me off guard, because I was under the impression the ATF would only be concerned that the structure and magazine met their requirements and anything beyond that (such as the local authority) didn't really pertain to them. Anything insight you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
yes actually. What they are talking about (I believe), is that you have to have a written plan for your magazine. I had to show where the container was going to be located. I had to show all the distances from the magazine to any structure, any road, any rail road, etc. Once I made a map of my property and distances to inhabitable buildings, roads, etc. I then had to notify the governing fire department. They have to be notified about the magazine , it's contents, I.e. display fireworks, and it' location. Basically it is for safety reasons. They know that the distance tables will be met, and that if there ever is a fire, the fire department is already aware of the magazine, it's exact location and the hazards it could pose as well as how to deal with it safely. You will need verification from the department that they know about it. Most likely a letter from the fire marshal. You may also have to have the township or city sign off as well. What's funny about indoor magazine, is that you could literally have it your attached garage, as long as it meets the other distance guidelines. In effect saying that they don't care if you accidentally blow up your own shit, you just cant blow up your neighbors crap.
Thank you! Great video!! What is required for transportation of “display fireworks”? Does one not need a mobile magazine? Can ya just the fireworks in the car as long as ya have the license?? I can’t find squat on transporting the product. As far as how they must be contained.
You can transfer fireworks in your car if it is for personal use. just make sure you have your atf license with you. I do it all the time. If you are transporting for some one else, that's a whole different ball game.
Question - Explosive materials are not to be left unattended in type 3 magazines and must be removed to type 1 or 2 magazines for unattended storage. I assume you can't leave your fireworks in a type 3 magazine if you were to have them stored somewhere else, not at your residents. Correct? If I stored & have a type 3 magazine and it follows all the rules stated and its approved by the ATF, I can store the fireworks for longer periods of time, days / months at my residents, as long as I attend / live /stay on the property and location of the type 3 magazine in the same place? Great video on how to !!!
It actually depends on the type of explosives as well. Type 1 magazine is permanent magazine for storage of high explosives. Other classes of explosives can be stored in there as well. Type 2 magazines are mobile and portable indoor and outdoor magazines for storage of High explosives, as well as other classes of explosives. Type 3 magazines are portable outdoor magazines for temporary storage of high explosives while attended. Other classes of explosives may be stored in there as well. "Such as a day box". It is my understanding that you can not leave them un attended any where at any time. It is my understanding that a type 3 magazine is for example, transporting the explosives from the more permanent storage to a location near the explosives usage. usually so the explosives can be safely stored while they are being set up for usage. Each class of magazine has its own classification and is designed for a certain purpose, and has it's own rules. A type 4 magazine is for low explosives, such as fireworks. While I can store fireworks in a type 1, 2, 3, 4, I can not store high explosives like dynamite or some salutes fireworks. Salute fireworks are actually using high explosive powders, but there is loop holes in the atf rules and regulations regarding them. You can store a case of salutes as long as one of the shells in the case is low explosive, like a display shell. Now the case of salutes contains a shell with low explosives, and thus allows you to store that case. However, if you blowup the display shell first, now you are left with the remainder of the case of high explosives and then it would require you to store the rest in a type 1 or 2 magazine. You can store explosives at your residence as long as your magazine is approved by the atf. As I said, each magazine type has it's own rules. Each magazine has it's own guidelines on how to construct the magazine, it will have it's own table of distances away from objects, it will have its own rules for securing product. All rules and regulations regarding explosives is in the atf federal explosives law and regulations. It is my understanding that if it is not in that law and regulations, the atf can not enforce it.
Great video! I have 4 questions regarding filling out the form for the ATF Type 54 License. 1) I only shoot fireworks shows at my parent's home. They live in a different state than I do. I would also build an indoor magazine for storage on their property since that is where I shoot. How would I accurately reflect this on the paperwork? 2) For an indoor magazine, does it need to be bolted to the floor? 3) Can the magazine be in the same building (It's a machine shed.) as a woodburning stove or gasoline can? 4) My parent's property is about a quarter of a mile away from a paved road, however, there is a dead-end gravel road that runs straight through the middle of their property. The farthest I would be able to put fireworks away from the gravel road would be 100 feet. Is this far enough away to be able to shoot off fireworks according to the ATF guidelines? Thank you.
The type 54 license is a federal license, there for good in all states. It is solely for the purchase of fireworks. Nothing else. Each state has different laws regarding the use of them, or lighting them off. A lot of states require a credited safety certificate verifying that you have been properly trained in the safety of handling, and lighting them off. States may also require you to have a shooters license. You will have to check with the state you want to light them off in. There is no table of distance for an indoor magazine. You can not have the magazine in a building that has a wood burner. Anything that can create a spark is prohibited. The general guide lines for safety distances are to be far enough away that if the firework tips over and launches, the distance of travel and blast circumference can not reach a building that is inhabited or people. Atf does not govern the lighting of fireworks. To get the best safety guides on handling and lighting of fireworks, get the PGI "Display Fireworks Operator Certification Study Guide.
Great video, lots of good questions answered here! Currently N.C. only sells the "sparkler" type fireworks, nothing that reports or shoots flaming balls. If I were to obtain my license to purchase 1.3g, can I shoot off fireworks in my state even with a license? I also read or saw somewhere that I would have to obtain a permit from the town that I live in to shoot these, does this apply if I am outside of city limits on private property doing a private show for my family? Thanks
You have to obtain your ATF type 54 license to buy professional fireworks. That's all that the license is good for. You will have to check with your local authorities to see what is required for your area. I would check with the city, township, county and state to see what they require. In my case, the laws are lenient here in Michigan. The laws here for consumers states certain holidays you can shoot fireworks. That law is based on how much population for a given area. I.E. city, townships, counties all have different population numbers that enact the law. For me, the amount of population for my county is less than the minimum requirement for the law, which means, it does not affect me. My township has no laws governing fireworks. Since I shoot on my own property, I do not have to get a permit. Most states though require you to take a safety course as well as a shooters course and get certified for you to legally shoot off pro fireworks. If I want to shoot else where, in Michigan, I would have to get a state permit, show proof of insurance for the night of the shoot, submit a safety plan, a set up plan in order to shoot. The laws very from state to state on their requirements.
Yes you can. If you have a magazine in the garage, you will not be able to have anything flammable in there. No gas, no oil, you won't be able to park in there, etc.
@@fireworksphill6640 I just bought a RIDGID box today, and want to install it in my little wood shed, but I park my mower in there. Can you point me to the specific rule in the ATF orange book that keeps me from storing my lawn mower in there? I want to have my own magazine, but I want to be familiar with all the laws before I have my Type 54 interview and magazine check. Thanks.
@@fireworksphill6640 Also, make sure to note that I'm NOT talking about gas, oil, etc. inside the ACTUAL magazine (job box). I'm talking about gas, oil, etc. in the BUILDING that houses the job box. Big difference. What reference number in the orange book states anything about that? The only thing I can find is "Volatile materials are to be kept at a distance of not less than 50 feet from OUTDOOR magazines." That is located in §555.215 Housekeeping (page 54 in my book). Nothing is stated for volatile materials near INDOOR Type 4 magazines. Thanks for any clarification you can provide.
@@nickallen13 Check page 54 in the atf book. it is under House cleaning. "Volatile materials are to be kept a distance of not less than 50 ft from out door magazine" I was told by an atf agent that applies to indoor magazines as well.
I was originally licensed in April of 2018. The next visit was in Nov. of 2021. That was the required visit in order for them to go over my records, update my file for renewal. I received my renewal for another 3 years. Recently, late June 2022 of this year, they tried to do a surprise visit while I was at work. Kind of funny as they came during the day, but my hours of operations was listed in the evening hours.....6-9pm. Guess atf doesn't do those hours. They ended up having to make arrangements for when I was home. Come to find out, they have hired some new agents and decided to do some surprise visits for training.
Phil thanks for the information. Do you have a magazine on your property? I don't have one myself. I have only done one transaction so far that I put my records in a fireproof lockbox. Also it seems on the 4th when I mix the 1.3 with the 1.4(I'm in Pennsylvania)Noone says a word about it because I use 3 inch shells primarily. Has that been your experience? It's fairly lax on the 4th in my area thank God. 😊 Also thanks for your videos!
@@sawsickness I do have an indoor type 4 magazine on my property, in a storage shed. I generally only shoot the 4th of july, (show) which generally lasts approximately 1 hour. I do randomly test shells every now and then, but when I do that, it's just that, a couple of shells. no lengthy show.
you'll have to make sure that it is at least a 5 pin tumbler, a case hardened shackle at least 3/8" diameter. The other parameter is what the job box requires, which is the shackle height as well. If the shackle height is to long, You will be able to lock the lock itself, but it won't secure the job box as the box uses the lock base for security. When the lid is closed, the security hooks will be under the lock. When you lock the lock, the base of the lock is covering the hook and thus securing the lid. If the shackle is to long, the body of the lock is to far away from the hook, which will result in the hook being able to slide thru the shackle. Keep the package of the locks you buy to show the ATF that it has the parameters they will be looking for. I had a hard time finding a 5 pin tumbler lock at retailers. I kept finding 3 or 4 pin tumblers. They can get 5 pin tumblers, you may just have to order them. Mine ended up being a "masterlock" brand I found on the internet.
I did read the book, but I did not study it. In my interview they did not ask anything from the book. They did go over things in the book with me, but it was not a test of any kind. They just wanted me to understand the basics of the law.
They come to your house to inform you of the law and what's expected. The interview is basically them knowing you are green and pretending that you know nothing, because they don't know what people have researched, they just know you have a clean record and filled out an application. They are there to make sure THEY INFORM YOU of how to do it legally. That's my understanding anyways.
You sir are a legend. The fact that you took time out of your day to make a video responding to a single comment is very rare now a days. Will be looking foward for more firework related videos and launches!
No problem! Fireworks are my passion. I will always try to inform or share any information that I can....(I'm actually addicted to fireworks!) Know how I know? I spend ,y money on it, and when I'm done.....I have nothing to show for it but a smile! :)
Hey I hope you're well. Your videos have been super informative and such a great help for me in my journey to getting my license and building my own indoor magazine. I'm at the point now where I've spoken to my assigned ATF agent and everything is in order he just says he requires one more thing pertaining to the indoor magazine. He said he needs some kind of confirmation from a local authority basically them okay'ing that I'll be having an storage for this kind of thing. He said if I can get that, then we can move on to an actual inspection of everything. Did you have to do similar? It caught me off guard, because I was under the impression the ATF would only be concerned that the structure and magazine met their requirements and anything beyond that (such as the local authority) didn't really pertain to them. Anything insight you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
yes actually. What they are talking about (I believe), is that you have to have a written plan for your magazine. I had to show where the container was going to be located. I had to show all the distances from the magazine to any structure, any road, any rail road, etc. Once I made a map of my property and distances to inhabitable buildings, roads, etc. I then had to notify the governing fire department. They have to be notified about the magazine , it's contents, I.e. display fireworks, and it' location. Basically it is for safety reasons. They know that the distance tables will be met, and that if there ever is a fire, the fire department is already aware of the magazine, it's exact location and the hazards it could pose as well as how to deal with it safely. You will need verification from the department that they know about it. Most likely a letter from the fire marshal. You may also have to have the township or city sign off as well. What's funny about indoor magazine, is that you could literally have it your attached garage, as long as it meets the other distance guidelines. In effect saying that they don't care if you accidentally blow up your own shit, you just cant blow up your neighbors crap.
Thank you! Great video!!
What is required for transportation of “display fireworks”? Does one not need a mobile magazine? Can ya just the fireworks in the car as long as ya have the license?? I can’t find squat on transporting the product. As far as how they must be contained.
You can transfer fireworks in your car if it is for personal use. just make sure you have your atf license with you. I do it all the time. If you are transporting for some one else, that's a whole different ball game.
Question - Explosive materials are not to be
left unattended in type 3 magazines and must be removed to type
1 or 2 magazines for unattended storage.
I assume you can't leave your fireworks in a type 3 magazine if you were to have them stored somewhere else, not at your residents. Correct? If I stored & have a type 3 magazine and it follows all the rules stated and its approved by the ATF, I can store the fireworks for longer periods of time, days / months at my residents, as long as I attend / live /stay on the property and location of the type 3 magazine in the same place?
Great video on how to !!!
It actually depends on the type of explosives as well. Type 1 magazine is permanent magazine for storage of high explosives. Other classes of explosives can be stored in there as well. Type 2 magazines are mobile and portable indoor and outdoor magazines for storage of High explosives, as well as other classes of explosives. Type 3 magazines are portable outdoor magazines for temporary storage of high explosives while attended. Other classes of explosives may be stored in there as well. "Such as a day box". It is my understanding that you can not leave them un attended any where at any time. It is my understanding that a type 3 magazine is for example, transporting the explosives from the more permanent storage to a location near the explosives usage. usually so the explosives can be safely stored while they are being set up for usage. Each class of magazine has its own classification and is designed for a certain purpose, and has it's own rules. A type 4 magazine is for low explosives, such as fireworks. While I can store fireworks in a type 1, 2, 3, 4, I can not store high explosives like dynamite or some salutes fireworks. Salute fireworks are actually using high explosive powders, but there is loop holes in the atf rules and regulations regarding them. You can store a case of salutes as long as one of the shells in the case is low explosive, like a display shell. Now the case of salutes contains a shell with low explosives, and thus allows you to store that case. However, if you blowup the display shell first, now you are left with the remainder of the case of high explosives and then it would require you to store the rest in a type 1 or 2 magazine. You can store explosives at your residence as long as your magazine is approved by the atf. As I said, each magazine type has it's own rules. Each magazine has it's own guidelines on how to construct the magazine, it will have it's own table of distances away from objects, it will have its own rules for securing product. All rules and regulations regarding explosives is in the atf federal explosives law and regulations. It is my understanding that if it is not in that law and regulations, the atf can not enforce it.
You mentioned there is no table of distances for an indoor magazine. Is there documentation stating this? I have an inspection coming up is why I ask.
Great video! I have 4 questions regarding filling out the form for the ATF Type 54 License. 1) I only shoot fireworks shows at my parent's home. They live in a different state than I do. I would also build an indoor magazine for storage on their property since that is where I shoot. How would I accurately reflect this on the paperwork? 2) For an indoor magazine, does it need to be bolted to the floor? 3) Can the magazine be in the same building (It's a machine shed.) as a woodburning stove or gasoline can? 4) My parent's property is about a quarter of a mile away from a paved road, however, there is a dead-end gravel road that runs straight through the middle of their property. The farthest I would be able to put fireworks away from the gravel road would be 100 feet. Is this far enough away to be able to shoot off fireworks according to the ATF guidelines? Thank you.
The type 54 license is a federal license, there for good in all states. It is solely for the purchase of fireworks. Nothing else. Each state has different laws regarding the use of them, or lighting them off. A lot of states require a credited safety certificate verifying that you have been properly trained in the safety of handling, and lighting them off. States may also require you to have a shooters license. You will have to check with the state you want to light them off in. There is no table of distance for an indoor magazine. You can not have the magazine in a building that has a wood burner. Anything that can create a spark is prohibited. The general guide lines for safety distances are to be far enough away that if the firework tips over and launches, the distance of travel and blast circumference can not reach a building that is inhabited or people. Atf does not govern the lighting of fireworks. To get the best safety guides on handling and lighting of fireworks, get the PGI "Display Fireworks Operator Certification Study Guide.
Great video, lots of good questions answered here! Currently N.C. only sells the "sparkler" type fireworks, nothing that reports or shoots flaming balls. If I were to obtain my license to purchase 1.3g, can I shoot off fireworks in my state even with a license?
I also read or saw somewhere that I would have to obtain a permit from the town that I live in to shoot these, does this apply if I am outside of city limits on private property doing a private show for my family? Thanks
You have to obtain your ATF type 54 license to buy professional fireworks. That's all that the license is good for. You will have to check with your local authorities to see what is required for your area. I would check with the city, township, county and state to see what they require. In my case, the laws are lenient here in Michigan. The laws here for consumers states certain holidays you can shoot fireworks. That law is based on how much population for a given area. I.E. city, townships, counties all have different population numbers that enact the law. For me, the amount of population for my county is less than the minimum requirement for the law, which means, it does not affect me. My township has no laws governing fireworks. Since I shoot on my own property, I do not have to get a permit. Most states though require you to take a safety course as well as a shooters course and get certified for you to legally shoot off pro fireworks. If I want to shoot else where, in Michigan, I would have to get a state permit, show proof of insurance for the night of the shoot, submit a safety plan, a set up plan in order to shoot. The laws very from state to state on their requirements.
Do you need a permit in Michigan to light 1.3?
Hey Phill! Trying to figure out how to direct message you, but I don’t see your information/that ability?
Where do you get your fireworks from?
I purchase from Ace pyro. www.acepyro.com
So could you keep a type 4 magazine in your garage if it is separate from your house as indoor storage?
Yes you can. If you have a magazine in the garage, you will not be able to have anything flammable in there. No gas, no oil, you won't be able to park in there, etc.
@@fireworksphill6640 Is that a state law? I'm having trouble finding the section in the ATF book about "no gas, oil, parking, etc."
@@fireworksphill6640 I just bought a RIDGID box today, and want to install it in my little wood shed, but I park my mower in there. Can you point me to the specific rule in the ATF orange book that keeps me from storing my lawn mower in there? I want to have my own magazine, but I want to be familiar with all the laws before I have my Type 54 interview and magazine check. Thanks.
@@fireworksphill6640 Also, make sure to note that I'm NOT talking about gas, oil, etc. inside the ACTUAL magazine (job box). I'm talking about gas, oil, etc. in the BUILDING that houses the job box. Big difference. What reference number in the orange book states anything about that? The only thing I can find is "Volatile materials are to be kept at a distance of not less than 50 feet from OUTDOOR magazines." That is located in §555.215 Housekeeping (page 54 in my book). Nothing is stated for volatile materials near INDOOR Type 4 magazines. Thanks for any clarification you can provide.
@@nickallen13 Check page 54 in the atf book. it is under House cleaning. "Volatile materials are to be kept a distance of not less than 50 ft from out door magazine" I was told by an atf agent that applies to indoor magazines as well.
I have few questions. Can you get back to me.
Phil if you have a1.3 permit how often does the ATF visit their permit holders? Do they call or just show up knocking on your door?
I was originally licensed in April of 2018. The next visit was in Nov. of 2021. That was the required visit in order for them to go over my records, update my file for renewal. I received my renewal for another 3 years. Recently, late June 2022 of this year, they tried to do a surprise visit while I was at work. Kind of funny as they came during the day, but my hours of operations was listed in the evening hours.....6-9pm. Guess atf doesn't do those hours. They ended up having to make arrangements for when I was home. Come to find out, they have hired some new agents and decided to do some surprise visits for training.
Phil thanks for the information. Do you have a magazine on your property? I don't have one myself. I have only done one transaction so far that I put my records in a fireproof lockbox. Also it seems on the 4th when I mix the 1.3 with the 1.4(I'm in Pennsylvania)Noone says a word about it because I use 3 inch shells primarily. Has that been your experience? It's fairly lax on the 4th in my area thank God. 😊 Also thanks for your videos!
@@sawsickness I do have an indoor type 4 magazine on my property, in a storage shed. I generally only shoot the 4th of july, (show) which generally lasts approximately 1 hour. I do randomly test shells every now and then, but when I do that, it's just that, a couple of shells. no lengthy show.
what kind of padlocks did you get? Im in the process of converting the same job box
you'll have to make sure that it is at least a 5 pin tumbler, a case hardened shackle at least 3/8" diameter. The other parameter is what the job box requires, which is the shackle height as well. If the shackle height is to long, You will be able to lock the lock itself, but it won't secure the job box as the box uses the lock base for security. When the lid is closed, the security hooks will be under the lock. When you lock the lock, the base of the lock is covering the hook and thus securing the lid. If the shackle is to long, the body of the lock is to far away from the hook, which will result in the hook being able to slide thru the shackle. Keep the package of the locks you buy to show the ATF that it has the parameters they will be looking for. I had a hard time finding a 5 pin tumbler lock at retailers. I kept finding 3 or 4 pin tumblers. They can get 5 pin tumblers, you may just have to order them. Mine ended up being a "masterlock" brand I found on the internet.
I just ordered these for my Ridgid $299 box: www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZRXQKV2?psc=1&smid=A1U6YQKFK44Y1J&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp
@@nickallen13 i actually just got those same ones in the mail yesterday. They stick out 1/4" from being flush with the box so hopefully that's ok.
Did you have to read the entire orange book before interviewing? In other words do they ask you any questions out of the book?
I did read the book, but I did not study it. In my interview they did not ask anything from the book. They did go over things in the book with me, but it was not a test of any kind. They just wanted me to understand the basics of the law.
They come to your house to inform you of the law and what's expected. The interview is basically them knowing you are green and pretending that you know nothing, because they don't know what people have researched, they just know you have a clean record and filled out an application. They are there to make sure THEY INFORM YOU of how to do it legally. That's my understanding anyways.
Reasons Ohio sucks, I have to literally have every certificate known to the pyro world before I can even apply for my 54
Sadly this guy lost his license because he wasnt abiding by ATF guidelines!
Bullshit, where’s the proof?
My renewal came in last march so I'm good for another 3 years.