Scottoiler - what I think...............
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- This is my take on the scottoiler and similar systems.
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Yep what will hapPen is you'll realise you're chain ends fucked because you stop looking after it.
LOL very creative
Fiona
I've had 3 scottoilers on 3 of my bikes over the years and they work lovely. I still looked at the chain every day and did a proper clean every week when the bikes got clean.
Sending products to Matt for review. Proof that advertising and marketing experts do in fact believe that any advertising is good advertising. lol
Just fitted one, ideal as i do upwards of 20k a year. Doesn't replace cleaning but does cut down on adjustment because it's always oiled and never overheats or runs dry.
Agree with most points you make here, but I kept a good eye on the state of my chain and didn't rely solely on the scottoiler for solving all my drive maintenance ills!
Yes they keep the chain oiled, no they don't keep the chain clean, That's my job, but I did find that the chain stayed cleaner due to the less sticky nature of the oil and the road crud is far easier to get off an oily chain than a greasy one so that's also a plus. I did find that the chain slack needed far less frequent adjustment too, not that I looked at it less, it just didn't need it when I did (or not as much!)
I also fully agree that a properly oiled chain increases the efficiency of power transmission to the rear wheel which is, after all, where you want it and that as the oil is there all the time rather than once every week/two weeks oiling when the efficiency is going to be at it's best for the first couple of days or until it dries out or before you do it again...Is where the main benefit is coming from.
For those who say they have oil being sprayed everywhere, Turn it down then! You don't need a chain swimming in oil, just enough to keep the seals from drying out. Yes you will get some oil fling but you get that from spray on lubes too and as the chain rotates it's inevitable!
I Also agree that this is not a substitute for chain cleaning either as chains will still pick up all manner of road grime and while not as sticky and chains won't pick up as much, what it does pick up is just as damaging, so regular cleaning should still be done, although it is easier!
I don't agree with Scottoiler that having one of these means there's less maintenance. If anything there's more as you have to make sure there's oil in the reservoir and top-up if needed to keep it working. The Need is still there but it is made easier.
That all said, if you don't like them, then you don't like them, and while I do, it's all a matter of personal choice.
Send it to Delboy, he'll do a full fit and review vid about how wonderful it is ;-)
I don't usually comment on Youtub vids, as I have a life, and would go f'n mad if I did. But,
athough I agree with most of your comments in your vids, as a user of chain oilers for 14 years now, I know they do have a cleaning function. Not enough to eliminate any other cleaning at all, but it reduces my chain cleaning to once or twice a year, and that's just a good wipe over with an oily rag.
I also check slack and have a looky at the links every month.
If you are the kind of muppet that will fit an oiler and never look at it again, you are the same muppet who will never lube his chain until the links are rusted solid and function like tank tracks. Like the first owner of one of my bikes who just kept throwing spray lube at it until the front sprocket was running in a housing of excess lube and road dirt. Just like valve grinding paste.
Any biker that treats his bike like that will bloody die when the wheels fall off, or the brake pads disintegrate anyway. These things aren't household appliances like modern cars.
Finally, my brother, who uses the same oilers and keeps his bikes longer than me, easily gets 50,000 - 60,000km out of a set of sprockets and chain.
PS. I know you get pissed off at manufacturers claims used without context, but you must remember the average under 20 year old moves his lips when he reads and if it's not written in text write, it may as well be cyrillic script for all he can make of it.
24,000 miles on original chain sprockets and no decerrnible chain wear, up and down on the rate of flow depending on the conditions. . Thanks Scott oiler
In my experience chain oilers do make your chain last quite a bit longer. Traditional chain lube has to be really thick and sticky to stay in place between maintenance intervals. The problem with this is that it attracts dirt and sticks it in place, forming a grinding paste. With chain oilers the oil can be a lot less sticky as it is being continuously replaced. As it gets thrown off the chain it carries the grit with it. As others have mentioned one of the down sides is that you do get more crud on your wheel rim. They are particularly effective if you ride a lot in crap weather or ride off-road.
You still need to check the chain reasonably regularly but the intervals between checks can be longer. It only takes seconds to check the chain tension.
It is pretty easy to make your own chain oiler. Raid a moped for it's in-line vacuum operated fuel tap (I used to use Yamaha Passola ones). Get a fish tank air valve to adjust the flow. Add some rubber pipe and a tank and stir vigorously. Chainsaw chain oil works just as well as the expensive Scottoiler shit and costs peanuts. A gallon will last years. Engine oil can be used in a pinch but you need a lot more of it as it is too thin and get thrown off very quickly.
Thank you Les
I have the E system, it's wank, I still have to clean my chain after every ride (~300 miles on Sundays in any weather) and the chain always feels dry. That's with it set to 2 drips/minute. It also coats my back wheel and near side of the tyre in oil, makes for interesting left handers. The "capillary action" theory is also bollocks, if you're doing 30mph maybe but at motorway speed the oil just flings straight off. £200 wasted :(
For optimal breaking performance it should be installed to lube the back of the breakpads
Lube the front of your brake pads and they’ll last even longer but you better hope the roads you ride are very straight and have no lights or junctions 😱😱😱😱😱😱
The Scottoiler works great when you go on a long trip on a touring bike! Not that great when when you rock 150mph, you might as well spray the oil straight on the guy behind you and the road.
onhawaii In the old days when cars had to top up with oil when refuelling you'd raid the bin next to the petrol pump for old used pint oil cans to use the dregs on your chain every time you got petrol. Viola, one oiled 5/8x3/8 Renold. Every time. Checked the free play too. Every time. I agree with Penis, if it makes you lazy doing chain maintenance it's a bad idea. Never used one, not interested in them either.
Biscuit, in the old days you gave your ride water and hey and took the saddle of when you put it in the stable. Engine oil works but most of it ends up on the rim. That is why I do not use engine oil and spend the money for chain oil that sticks a little better on the chain like S100. And I lube my chain not right before I ride more after the ride or the day before. Add oil on a chain that is warm from riding lets it flow better into the gaps but if you keep riding right after applying it the most will fly as easy off as it gets in. Penis does not calculate in that you can ride a bike without the throttle wide open so the wear on a normal tour just riding will be less then letting all horses pull the chain... then you do not need to check your chain slag when you fill your bike. And serious, if you don't feel the slag of the chain when you ride you are a beginner or no feeling at all for the ride.
I am probably the ideal candidate for this kit. Chain maintenance is something I do once every "it's making a funny sound again" and when that happens I just drown the chain in 5-56 and that does the job lol
They're great for that. Once you've given the chain a good clean and installed the system, the only thing you'll ever have to do is adjust the chain a couple of times a year.
Sitting here at the ready for when the fucking power goes out...
Had one of these when I was couriering. Mainly because, as a courier, routine chain maintenance takes up valuable beer drinking time. Indeed, the only maintenance carried out as a courier was grafting a pair of C90 leg guards on, a couple of 5 litre bottles over the bars for keeping hands warm, and occasionally putting some petrol in.
The scottoiler worked, really well as it happens, but instead of routine chain maintenance taking up valuable beer drinking time, checking my frickin' scottoiler wasn't empty took up valuable beer drinking time. Fifty quid well spent.
Oh, and "Fanny".
I've got a PD oiler, totally agree with you comments, it's an accessory and not there to stop you from doing basic maintenance.
So sweet of you to give it away. I used to have one for my ER5 and I used chainsaw oil for best not fling properties
I like to oil my own chain, that way i can keep an eye on the wear, and other things that i probably wouldn't bother looking at.
Good if you do a long touring runs and it keeps on top of chain maintenance but also good for putting a nice tyre slick sheen on your Chicken Strip...
My name is Scott and I approve this review?
Having worn out a sprocket at 14000 miles (it makes a very disturbing knocking sound under load 🤔) inspired me to look at these.
Seeing the price they charge has now inspired me to DIY it 🤣
Prediction before watching: "Just oil your fucking chain 😒"
I had the vSystem on my bike and done over 12k miles after installing it. In that time I had to adjust the slack only twice and cleaned it only 4 or 5 times. Rode my bike every day, rain or shine, all year round. That oil isn't sticky like the regular chain lube, so shit just won't stick to it. And it doesn't just fly off or wash off leaving the chain running dry because it is always adding more oil to keep it nicely lubed. The chain doesn't look nice and shiny like it does on the bikes of Sunday riders, but rather black and greasy, but my headers aren't shiny either. You should definitely try it for yourself instead of bashing it. It saves a lot of hassle especially if you ride every day in any weather and have no garage. Scottoiler will definitely be the very first thing I'm going to install on my next bike. It is quite expensive for what it is but definitely worth it.
Seems as though this system would be useless on a O-ring or X-ring sealed chain.
I know it is overkill, but we stoddard solvent wash the chain, dry and immerse the chain in a light high paraffinic content lubricant in a high vacuum chamber.
This works well for us, but our application is not for everyday on-road use.
We have also used a dry Boron Nitride spray on chain and sprockets with success on a low speed application.
Fuck ! Intro through head phones blew me away !
My old R5 (pre RD350) used to oil the chain automatically out of the gearbox. The 510 chain lasted nearly a whole year!
Olive Oiler
It shoud have said reduces frictional losses.
which is inherently higher rear wheel power...
Friction where is exactly?
wire rope lube is what you want for your chain. its the doggies danglies.
Yup. Just like those tree guys - they're trained to partially dismantle, clean and inspect the condition of the saw after each days use. By doing so, it highlights imminent failures (cracks or broken components), rapidly wearing parts and allows the overall safe and long use of the machine.
I've never liked those chain oilers - it removes you from that important clean and inspection of that chain.
I know it's an old video but after watching this I went and bought one. Fitting was ok and I'm very pleased. If anything I check my chain more since I fitted it.
Still watching the video, but I don't understand what's so hard about chain maintenance... kerosene and some rags, wipe all the shite off, a scrubbing brush for the side plates and edges of the rollers, wipe dry with a rag, and apply a small amount of chain lube for one full revolutuion of the chain.
As an apprentice, nearly every bike I service has an over-lubricated and incorrectly lubricated chain. That crap becomes glue for dirt and road grime and gunks up around your front sprocket cover, inevitably transferring to your chain. I see chains lubricated on the side plates only, bikes completely coated in flung off grease, what a mess!
Consider this a public service announcement!
Are you sitting on a crankshaft?
yes I am
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He obviously hates anything scottish....
It says suitable for off-road use. If you ask me it would just create a mess. You are adding oil on a constant basis and that oil is going to be getting all over and EVERYTHING is going to stick to it. Same goes for road use, just less debris. I don’t know the rate it dispenses at or the type of oil it uses but it just seems to me to be more of a mess than it is helpful. More cleaning in the end.
Got to agree. If you’re cleaning and maintaining your chain properly, oil/lube it at the same time 🤷♂️ “seemples”
Early Z1 900's came with a system like this, later KZ1000's did not. I HAVE seen a tenth decrease in elapsed time from a freshly lubed chain at the drag strip with no other changes.
Always used chain boil on my crosser, fantastic stuff. Would have preferred one of these magic boilers though ... wouldn't have had the constant reminder of how stretched my chain was.
Her name is Kerry by the way.
I'd go with "If it was a necessity, OEMs would include it. If there was any significant secondary value to having it, it'd be an option at least.". A good example is a quick shifter. Do I need it? No. Will Honda sell me one? Yes!
Fiona! Oh, and you do make a number of valid points about the Scottoiler System Matt. It is easy to 'fit & forget', but as you rightly attest: it still doesn't negate the need for periodic chain & sprocket maintenance. I continue to use the thing on my own bike(s), but it's not without it's irritating side-effects ie thin oil getting flung all over the r/h side of the bike! You pays yer money...
Turn it down a bit and it won't fling oil everywhere.
@@handlebullshit Good call, but it's tricky to get the optimum flow rate spot-on. I think the flow adjustment ring would benefit from a clickable action, but I'd imagine that such a facility would add to the retail price. I'd be up for it though!
Personally for me the advantage I'd see is it gets all the chain lubricated unlike when i spray so much, roll the bike forward spray some more roll forward ect, i only do this as i only have a side stand. But if i bought a sizzor jack stand type thing like feature in a previous video that issue would go away
top bloke. keep up the hard work.
Rachel - decent kit when you're touring Europe, worked well when we rode to Romania :)
I put one on my XT660z it certainly saved me money and extended chain life. Although did it save me the cost?? Well I certainly used many (around 1 a week) less spray cans of chain lube and reduced chain stretch a lot.
The bike was used as a daily commute of 40 odd miles over a winter.
i made a very similar argument on a forum. but if you want something to make chine maintenance easier get a jack stand
Not a big fan of oilers, but could be handy for a weekend trip away. My old 71 Honda 750 had an automatic oiler built into the output shaft and it would dribble engine oil onto the primary sprocket and chain. It was even adjustable, but was a bitch to get it right without being too dry or spraying all over the back wheel and as the oil blackened so would your chain. The chains in those days were crap and always seemed to need adjustment. I now use a spray on wax and it's way cleaner.
Her name's not Tracy is it.
I would use this for a touring ride it would be one less thing I would have to do to the bike on a long trip. Mind you still check the chain but not having to lube the chain would be a benefit.
write you own signature on that box so we know you arent fucking with us :D elizabeth
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Would be interesting to try on a speedway solo in place of the old drip system.
Be good for some farm equipment I guess, but for a road bike, meeeeh not one Id own. Chance if it chooches too much could end up on back tyre, and if it craps itself can it suck oil into the intake,
I use the IMO better designed Tutoro auto one because I'm lazy, I don't think they make as many claims but still expensive for what it is IMO (I check my bikes over weekly regardless of oilers etc for tyre pressures, brakes, lights so checking the chain slack and wear isn't an issue )
Oh and Samantha
my engine leaks oil on my chains automatically... spits oil all over my back and bike
is her name Fiona??
Thats not a "leak" thats factory engineered rust prevention and skin moisturizer.
ye ye ye xD
They're messy as fuck. Don't get me wrong, the thought and ideas are there but its deffo not for me. The oil for them isn't exactly cheap either. For me personally, 10/10 avoid.
So then what? If I ride from Romania to Tenerife then Italy - Greece - Turkey and back to Romania, from spring to autumn, how many spray tubes of chain lubrication (plus chain cleaner) should I carry with me? About 10 - 15% of my total luggage?
There are shop in Italy, Greece and Turkey. No one said don't buy or use one, I said I don't like them, hence the title - what I think.....
It has to be Mary...
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Cassandra. I would put it on my lathe but it's not compatible with G8688
Actually they are a good bit of kit, but I agree its not a replacement for regular visual inspection and maintenance. i fitted one to a Ducati V twin track bike and had reduced chain adjustment, and was a lot easier to clean.
When you say it reduced chain adjustment that's what doesn't make sense. Chains need adjusting because of chain wear. This wear is internal and has nothing to do with the outside world.
@@dirtygarageguy its a fair comment as I was also sceptical at first. but can only speak from my own experiences. I used mine on a 999r track bike, and normally would have to adjust chain tension after the first day on track. with the Scottoiller fitted, this wasn't needed, and also mid day chain oiling wasn't required.
For sure there is always the Placebo effect of a new gadget, and getting it set up to reduce excess oil fling was a nause, but I would consider another for my current track bike which wouldn't have the pain of re-aligning the deliver nozzle every time you removed the rear wheel and sprocket carrier(single sided swingarm).
oh and definitely not a service elimination device, so you still need to visually check the Chain etc, so im fully with you on that issue.
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Used a 'touring kit' one on my Africa twin on a European tour, over 4k miles, refilled the reservoir once, checked bike every morning (like a person that realises my life may depend on it) and never had to adjust the chain, that still looked like new when I got home!
Try it again without it - then you'll have a 'test' otherwise, what are you comparing it to?
The Workshop
Good try! But I’ve ridden this bike for about 15 years now and pre scottoiler installation I’d be adjusting the chain about every 1-1.5k miles at least never mind all that fannying around with cleaning and oiling it!
True the ‘marketing blurb’ is a little far fetched but that’s just selling stuff, most adults can see through that!
15 years? Is that it? You make it sound like a long time....... and that has nothing to do with anything. Chain stretch is due to internal wear and if you're using an o ring chain then a scottoiler doesn't change a thing - hence the o rings.
The Workshop well, if we want to get pedantic about our claims and or opinions and require them to be backed up with hard facts, I can't wait see your own test report to substantiate "this system stops you looking at your chain"
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oh my shit. del's scottoiler vid is 23 minutes long. i want to watch it but i don't. testicles.
I had one of these on my bike when I bought it and I took it off. I actually can't see how it lubes and gets to all parts of the links or all of the links that it needs to. Just a drip dropping onto one side of the other or the centre of the chain isn't really doing it for me.
vacuum operated that's pretty sick, till you idle or go into traffic, but still
aterack833 you actually get more vacuum at idle than at part or full throttle!
I like it, I've actually looked at my chain more often since I've had it, normal chain lubes for me where more sticky and harder to rub a rag over but now it's easier. Cost is debatable but most likely not cheaper, more power, don't think so "Tim"., Ducati ST2 2001.
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Leslie..
Totally agree. The guy that came up with this probably saw an old drip feed oiler on his grandad's pre-war BSA and thought he could improve it and sell it to lazy bikers. The old oilers dripped oil continuously onto the chain and had a tap to turn them on and off. So he incorporated a vacuum operated switch which only turned the oiler on when the engine was running. Another 'improvement' was a metering valve to adjust the rate of oil flow. He also designed his oiler so it would only work with the 'special' blue oil that you could only buy from him at a hugely inflated price (some say it's just ATF dyed blue). When he got some complaints from people in hot countries about their chains not getting enough oil he saw this as an opportunity to 'develop' a new, special, red oil. This was basically the same as the blue oil only thinner (and red, and more expensive). Then he came up with the 'V' system which looked like it would do a better job but didn't make any difference really. It made a difference for him because profits went up. Now we have the hi-tech 'electronic' version at a huge price - you could buy two, top quality chains for the price of this piece of crap.
Literally double the cost of my OEM chain & sprocket kit
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Could you use 2stroke as a chane lubricant
why would you? 2 stroke oil has been designed to be mixed with oil.... has your chain?
Gas and oil mixed, if you have no other oil to use on the chane
If your that lazy get a shift drive! I would never use that thing.👍✌️
Ironically, the kit costs about the same as a new chain and sprocket set....
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Don't want it so I'm guessing Ermintrude.
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Think I just heard a gunshot at scottoiler hq . Wouldn't expect a xmas card . Bet you're not this honest with the Mrs
Scottoiler claims: They aren't actually untruths, they are just fractional improvements that cannot be measured in a short time. Scottoiler has never suggested owners stop paying attention to their drive chains after installation.
Extra HP is bollocks though
Any drive system robs a percentage of work produced by the engine from the tire contact patch on the ground. Anything reducing the friction between the crank and the tire will free up power. It's not GIVING power, it's simply reducing what ROBS power making things more efficient.
But this is a sprocket roller system. Unless the rollers are seized there is no friction. Nothing on the scale of magnitude you could measure. I.e the change in localized air pressure would create bigger fluctuations in power. Basically the noise of the measurement would be 2 orders of magnitude higher than anything you could measure with the same chain - just scottoiler or not.
I can give you links to roller element analysis if you like - but its 230 pages long LOL
I know the mechanics behind belts, shafts, and chains. I know it's very marginal between a gunked-up chain and a very clean and lubricated chain, but the difference is still there. Scottoiler isn't lying about things.
Sometimes it's like the tire service centers pushing for nitrogen filling. Their claims aren't wrong, but it's so miniscule that you'd be hard pressed to measure the difference.
I think what Scottoiler is claiming about lubrication giving power is the same result as a quality spray lubricant would provide. The assumption is a rusted, neglected, badly adjusted chain with zero lube and a lot of gunk built up, vs. a new, quality lubricated, very free chain. Measure the HP on a dyno on the same bike in the same day and I guarantee the difference would show.
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Kate
Can you you use gear oil?
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I agree that oilers should not mean your dispense with regular chain maintenance. But they do make life easier not having to lube the chain manually every 200 km (which is what my Triumph manual states).
I use a different brand of chain oiler...Tutoro (www.tutorochainoiler.com/) which is much simpler than Scottoiler/other brands. It does not require any vacuum or electronic connections to the bike. It uses a weighted valve to open/close due to road bumps etc when you are riding. Advantage is it only drips while you are actually moving and not just b/c your engine is running/stopped at a light etc.
Cheaper than Scottoiler and most others out there too ( I paid $75 USD shipped to Canada for mine). I run locally available chainsaw oil in it just fine.
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Matt you said it just like Evans will it cool my engine as well lol
Her name was Rachel me thinks
will this fit my honda civic?
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if i guess right can you make a video on how to properly and easily clean and oil your chain, maybe some way that is so easy that the monkey in me will even want to do it on a Saturday morning before my tea? ok here is goes
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