WILD Hustler Live Stream Drama - DAT Poker Pod Episode
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- 0:00 Recapping The Hand and Speculation Of Cheating Between Robbi & Gman
7:30 Daniel's First Take
19:00 Continuing To Break Down Robbi's Logic
22:45 Being Staked By Another Player In The Game (Rip)
25:00 Giving the money back to Garrett (admission of guilt?)
31:30 Exploring Different Ways To Potentially Cheat
40:00 How Sure Are We, Really?
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Congratulations on the big high roller event win! Watching you in that event was like watching the old DNEGS with more skill. Masterfully Done.
Such a great video on this case. Totally open minded and unbiased! Thanks guys!
The funniest part of this whole thing was Daniel saying the people he trained will have the nuts and say “oh well you never know” HAHA 🤣
I literally played a cash game where a woman checked back the river heads up with the stone called nuts. I questioned her about it and her exact words were "well if I bet he probably folds".
Some people are truely stupid. You don't need to be an experienced poker player to see how obsurd it is, if you understand the game enough to play with money surely you can see what's wrong there. People!
@@duc9395 Lmao.. Some woman called my river bet with the nuts saying "I was happy with what's in the pot". That's when I realized how good the game was! lmao
She gave you air, happens all the time.
This was a really good, fair discussion of what happened.
lol it was a woke/PC discussion that made no sense to a thinking person
@@exitscreaming4637 i don’t follow poker, but it felt like a fair discussion of the possibilities to me? you disagree?
No it wasn't bc SHE IS 100% FOR SURE INNOCENT! lol jk. But I'm confident she's innocent.
@aaabbbccccdddd Yeah then why did she give the money back ? Is she that dumb ? lol
@aaabbbccccdddd Aww you identify with the woman...wonder why lol
I honestly think it was her talk afterward that triggered garret into thinking she was cheating because nothing she was saying made any sense.
This 100%. What she said after the hand immediately and what she said hours later in the interview doesn't add up. Like it makes her story 100x worse unless she is on drugs or something.
her talk afterwards means nothing, she was nervous period.
That's exactly what got me thinking the same. At first I chocked it up to extremely poor play and then the more I listened I changed my mind. Her saying "I thought you had Ace high" was odd, she would have been even more beat had that been the case.
She kept saying that Garrett let her do that to him and then she says it again after. That to me is sus because what does she mean by that. Also, if he doesn’t have 8 high, she looks like an idiot by punting 130k. How much of this situation is her thinking she’s way better than she is, being a rec player, and finally, being fully backed by rip. Does she make the same play if she has 100% of her own action. Highly doubt it.
Also if you watch the showdown, she’s like laughing and acting like she called with the worst hand but then slow rolls him and acts like she knew she was good the whole way. It’s so sus. If you are calling insanely light in that spot wouldn’t you be scared that you just punted your stack?
@@Stephanie-zz4cg couldn't agree more, she has no obligation to make sense after the hand, pay her back the money immediately
Absolutely love these podcasts think I’ve listened to everyone, please get Ivey back for episode 22
Ivey? You serious! We need someone humble
Rip knew Garrett was weak and he signaled Robbi to call not realizing that her hand was so weak.
Robbi couldn't explain why she called because it wasn't her decision to call.
When the hand was turned over Rip and Robbi were exposed
Garrett knew immediately what had happened.
So how did Rip know then?
Great Video! Best summary and analysis on possible outcomes I've seen.
As a poker dealer I've seen a lot of bad play that would look very sus to a pro, let alone a "top" pro. Like I've literally seen players call off their chips in cash games because they wanted to leave and go home, and in their mind the thought of picking up and taking their chips to the cage didn't compute. They had always left the table going broke so in their mind they had to go to the felt to leave..
Edit: Didn’t think I’d have to explain this, but the example I gave was just that, an example. Wasn’t supposed to be a direct comparison. The point I was trying to make is that it’s not fair to judge an amateurs play through the lens of an elite player. Some amateur/beginner level play isn’t rational at all..
Yes YES! Exactly 💯. These hyper logic driven pros don't actually understand everyday people. Most people are driven by pure emotion and make wacky blunders like this in their lives day in and day out.
This was a 300k call not 50$ in a 1/2 game
@@Daniel-bs1zx hey dnegs.. if your in the same spot with robbi, r u gonna do the same play? Coz I think she didn't cheat that she read the situation fairly well what gman has..
Yeah but at what stakes? And how drunk were day. Nobody calls off 100k sober with J high
@@cockerpoker1176 you give her that much credit lmfao.. she's an awful player and couldn't explain why she called. Because she offered to explain and couldn't put him on 87 like you suggest she said she thought he had A high which makes the 100k call even more sus
D negs, just a shout out for your appearance on lex's podcast. Represented yourself and the game brilliantly!
I haven't had the chance to listen yet but was pleasantly surprised to see him on there! Lex has such a wide range, love it.
I came here to say the same thing, it’s a pleasure to hear his insights
I haven’t watched this yet but I was hoping you would do a breakdown. You’re one of the best there is with hand breakdowns
It’s a very disappointing breakdown designed to make her look completely innocent.
@@joshoowa I agree. This podcast pandered to her instead of looking at it in a hard light
@@lukerouhselang7054 they don’t even mention half of the extremely suspicious shit she did. Like how she immediately said “I do this to you all the time all stream” as if people were already openly accusing her of stream cheating. There was so much suspicious shit she said and did that wasn’t covered here I legit suspect DNegs has a hand in defending her for a very weird reason.
@@lukerouhselang7054 they don’t even mention half of the extremely suspicious shit she did. Like how she immediately said “I do this to you all the time all stream” as if people were already openly accusing her of stream cheating. There was so much suspicious shit she said and did that wasn’t covered here I legit suspect DNegs has a hand in defending her for a very weird reason.
Off stream** not all stream
THANK YOU DANIEL!!!!!! Finally someone with sense about this. This is why you are one of my favorite poker players.
Excuse me, what Daniel says ? because Îm French… with the poadcast he speak very to fast for my english lol… car You explain me here !! Thanks…
@@rimkalarson9859 like T0DAY says, there's a lot discussed (& yes, he does talk fast! :). Maybe you could try reducing the playback speed in Settings?
I agree with Daniel that Garret is likely to be sued, and Garret will lose the case for making allegation he cannot prove in court. Garret will give back $130,0000 plus punitive damages.
Not just a great poker player, also a great human being you are, Daniel. Thank God we have you at the poker scene.
how cute! your amazing Daniel we love you! really...
Why 😂
Lol, you're new
YES MORE RAKE IS BETTER
Great human being? Meh
Her play is spot on to what we see at my super low stake home game with a neophyte. If it weren’t for the amount of money at stake, everyone would just roll their eyes and move on.
Exactly 💯 lil over hyped too be honest
She's not a neophyte, she's been playing for years and has a lot of hours under her belt. Not a pro, but not an amateur either. I think that's why Rip was using her to cheat and staking her in the game, people would be much less suspicious of her because she's a woman and has lower skill level.
@@Dremin2009 how would she be cheating tho?
@@perc3136 its not hard when you have someone on the inside
@@Dremin2009 The Hendon Mob stats were someone else.
I love the percentage section, thanks guys. Only one thing I know for sure, 100%. Garrett pulled off a "post hand bluff" for $135,000 and for me this is the first time I have seen it done.
🤣🤣🤣
How am I just finding this Podcast. I have been severely deprived! Love Daniel ❤️
the best 1 ever "I made other opponents make stupid moves" is when Daniel says "you got A's or King's... I'm not saying I can beat it just saying what you think you had"... lol
😂
Her winning this hand is not a slam dunk. If she’s cheating she’s picked a lousy hand to cheat with. Guy has a straight draw, a flush draw, a straight flush draw, he pairs either of his hole cards he wins. She has to dodge all of those outs twice. Unless she knew what the two river cards were going to be, I don’t see how she cheated.
Absolutely agree. We’ve all seen it all in poker.
I’m chalking this up to 1/million fluke on a live stream.. She’s not experienced at all & has millions to light on fire, that’s that..
Its exactly why its so weird. All that and calls while lookin at her hand again saying "you let me do this to you all night" or "i thought u has Ace high"
@@saljablo2767 But she’s actually not good in that situation. She might be ahead but she has to dodge all those outs twice. And is a statistical underdog to win the hand. I’d be more suspicious of cheating if Garret bricked the river then went all in and she had called that. If I’m cheating I don’t want to have to sweat out the river.
@@NoGoodNames20 she’s actually almost a 55% favorite, but hcl has included the dead outs because they seen everyone else’s cards which make her just about 48%.
@@saljablo2767 that would be a crappy cheating system and wouldn’t win. Who’s going to use that.
Great analysis guys. This is how you do it. Cheers!
Garret put together a good report with time stamps from the full video of Robbie and cowboy hat colluding during the game
Great point about inexperienced players giving illogical explanations for their plays, misusing concepts like blockers, and how giving the money back to an angry man is not an admission of guilt. Perhaps though Garrett just has a good old fashioned tell in this situation, and she sensed it. It is also interesting to contrast this situation with that of Niemann/Carlsen in chess. Btw I don't pay off on the river often, but I've called with 9 high and won just based on the player and the situation.
Except Gman is light years away from becoming a Magnus. That's like comparing your highschool math teacher to Einstein
If that was Alan Keating called that hand with J4, I am sure nothing will happen.
If he gave an world-salad explanation for why he called, gave back the money when challenged, changed his story multiple times, and had his lover (who was both staking him in the game and playing at the same table) pick a fight with the hand’s loser, eyebrows would raise.
For starters, alan would never make that call, nobody would, especially after garrett did like a 6x bet all in. Just think about that for a min. You put in 20k between pre flop, flop, and turn, and now you are being asked to call an all in for another 120k and all you are holding is jack high. Just let that sink in for a min. Its not like she had invested 80k and needed to call another 20 or 30k, even then nobody would even call, but im just trying to make a point at how ridiculous this was! Again, she only knew she was ahead, and that is why she called. Honestly, i think that was her only dilemma that she was thinking about when she did call was how am i going to reveal my hand and explain this? Her main response was, "because you dont have sh.t." she was being honest when she said that. She knew she was winning which meant that he didnt have anything, if it was worse than a j4
Well compare apples with apples man. Alan is NOT someone who just went from playing $200 buy in tournaments to playing in one of the worlds largest buy in live stream poker games. Giving her a little too much credit ya think? She can't time Alan's shoes at this point.
@@foodvsfood3163 and she is being staked to play in the game. I think that is key to figuring out how the cheating took place. Nobody would stake a person that is calling an all in for all her money while holding a jack high and no draw whatsoever
@@stevent6614 Can't outside people that's viewing the stream in real time be able to feed her some information about the cards?
Thanks for providing some clarity on this. I agree if you can't prove people are cheating, you shouldn't stain their reputation with such accusations. These days, people are way too quick to cancel people without the receipts, this is just another example.
Female can't possibly make reads or calculations without the electronic assistance from sneaky man. Only men can make good calculations, good calls, good reads, and win quarter million dollar pots. Don't you know that!
Daniel is spot on, as always. "I'm going to beat this guy in this hand, I don't care what I have. Sorry John, I don't remember."--Mike McDermott
That was a (fictional) situation in which the player had fold equity. Does not apply to this situation.
That was a bluff not a call lol
Daniel you are the only one out of all the you tube genius that nails it ! Specifically how Garrett handled it . THANKYOU
I use to like Garrett, but now i view him a GIANT douchebag. What makes it even worse is that he asked for his money back. Hopefully they kick him out from playing again.
@@2311ification He said he didnt ask for it. She lied and said he asked for it and then off stream she says she offered it to him. He said the same thing on twitter that she just offered it to him.
@@Alwaystrollingbro You believe him???? He's has no CLASS he was acting like Phil Hellmuth after a bad beat but only 10 times worse!! He's a sore loser he even accused her of cheating!! How are you going to cheat and the Casino not catch it???? So is she Ocean 11 for the Casino not to catch her. lol haaa. He's ridiculous!!
@@Alwaystrollingbro oddly they could both be right. the casino worker can't remember his name reported she said something like how can I calm this down to which he said you can give the money back so to him she offered to her he asked makes sense
@@Alwaystrollingbro So because he said it were supposed to believe he’s telling the truth but we’re not supposed to believe her. When from what it totally looked Garrett went off camera then they prob called her off camera to talk to him cuz she left shortly after but he didn’t ask for it back when he talked to her okay.
Robbi's call had noting to do with poker theory or strategy. She had a hard on for Garrett over past encounters and her call was purely emotional and without serious thought. She mentioned past experience between the two of them. All the bullshit about blockers was an attempt to justify the call when she didn't have to justify it. She put her money in the pot and she got lucky.
I agree, she didn't know she had the best hand at the end and was surprised when she won.
Still. You can’t call with j4 off
@@MMMM-jb3ii I mean youre not going to, I'm not going to, but she did and won, get over it
exactly. she unintentionally embarrassed him with a bad good call
The next best hand after J high is 8 high. If she called with 8 high would you still say the same things? That it was a "purely emotional" call? Or would you finally suspect her?
Great discussion, I thought is was cheating at first but have changed my mind after looking at it multiple times. At the end of the day, you wouldn’t cheat when you’re a coin flip. He should give the money back to her.
Do you not understand EV?
How does she know it’s a coin flip. What if Garrett had ace something of clubs. Then she literally only has 4 outs.
I think this guy mumboomed
@@marcuslarwa9098 6 if he doesn't have a pair
@@AndreasM19 actually we’re both wrong it’s 5. The 3 of clubs is removed because if it comes he hits is flush. So 2 3’s and 3 Jacks. That’s what 20% equity
Daniel Negreanu congrats on winning the super high roller. It was really great watching that game! Love how you represent the Canadians eh! Big Rispek! :👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👊🏾
The way she played that hand is how a lot of the rich amateurs/gamblers have been playing - mikki mase (goth guy), that stream with Mr. beast, ninja etc. . . like I don't believe you, I'm gonna call you !
Agreed, if you do not have a want for money, are there just to play, willing to run the risk that your opponent is bluffing, what a way to break a pro's spirit and that is exactly what looks like happened, however I don't think she should have returned the money, I think she's got the goods or the sauce as some might put it and show how well she plays in the near future, just like in any and every other sport.. on any given Sunday you can be beat
Wrong completely wrong. Mr Beast plays for context. Sensationalism is the name of the game, completely different.
@@starkfm How well she plays? Nothing about that play was good.
YOU GUYS HAD ME BACK AND FORTH THE WHOLE TIME LOL
I love Daniel Analyzed the situation . Right to the point.👍👍👍
if I was cheating and knew his cards I would fold here, knowing all of his outs lmao
EXACTLY EVEN IF SHE SEEN THE HAD YOU FUCKING FOLD
I would have gone all in pre flop.
That would be a terrible play negative EV, it was a coin flip at that moment, she already had invested a decent amount, knowing both players cards is the correct call
You have to consider that cheaters are also not always good at poker
But if she's bad enough to call this bad hand, then it's also easy to say that she's dumb enough to cheat in this low equity spot.
Daniel thank you so much for your take, I came to your conclusion as well, because I am always a "innocent until proven guilty".
This logic would dictate that you also believe Mike Postle and OJ Simpson are innocent.
@@danalexander2149 Garrett is suspect and that Feldman character can't be trusted. How the hell does Garrett think he is ahead with 8 high on a paired board after he just got raised on the turn? Unless he knows she can't call an all-in with J4? Garrett in my opinion has the most to gain and access to employees. After all, Hustler is his own home room. I wouldn't be surprised if Adelstein has a deal with Vertucci and Feldman. I believe Adelstein is an employee prop player. I've played enough at the Hustler to know a thing or two. I'm convinced 100%
@@James_the_Builder - The odds literally favored Garrett (53%). Again, the issue isn’t with her play as much as it is her justifications, table talk, and actions. There’s no need to lie about thinking you had a 3 or the absurd statement that she thought Garrett was chasing a flush draw with an ace. She lied about being bullied. Name another player who gave six-figures back to the player they won it from in the same game.
I’ll wait.
@@James_the_Builder if you watch the clip he accepted defeat till he found out she called with j4os. As an amateur that's a snap fold for me
@@danalexander2149 Because you never think like a normal human being, you think like a poker pro. For us who understand poker, there is no way we gonna call it. But for a normal people, being bullied on the table all night, keep on losing to garrett, it is highly possible that she lost her mind in that moment. I mean, she also can't even logic her call. She just called. I have seen people like that. It just one moment you already lost your rational thinking and go berserk: "I don't care, I gonna called. I don't want to think anymore. Once and for all. If I win I win, if i lose i lose." And after the call, she immediately regret it. So she gonna shift a lot to cover it up, that she lost her mind at that moment.
There is NO evidence that she cheated, but there is plenty of evidence that she has played this awfully in the past. She has made similar calls when drawing dead. And Garrett still had lots of outs. It would be a stupid attempt at cheating.
What was crooked was his bullying her for the money. You can't get your money back because you lose to a terrible play.
What's the evidence he bullied her? His version is that he would never have asked but she offered it to him.
@@Dremin2009 when Garrett was throwing a baby fit and she was removed from the table and brought over by production he said “ you know you fked up this is going all over social media “ (this was corroborated ) she was nervous and embarrassed because she didn’t understand why (also verified by someone who spoke to her) she said what can I do, Garrett said return my money. Hopefully this is enough for understanding.
No.... not 1 person is ever giving legitimatly won money back. Guilty af
@@StylinProfilin3889 the baby fit was from the thirsty tuff guy cowboy..... garret did everything correct and the guilty party tried to make it disappearonce she realized she was caught .
@@chriskoshinski wrong. We've seen it on poker stars a player giving money back feeling bad he won mis reading his hand. Stop trying to fit everything in a box.
interesting new developments with the information that has come out
They keep denying the “electronic signal” possibility. Have they not seen the pics and videos of something in her pocket and her midsection appearing to vibrate?
This is the fault of the Hustler for not having a better “airport”screening process.
Good way of showing empathy, Daniel! Always love hearing your thoughts :)
Yes, show empathy to the person who obviously cheated, not to the man having his reputation ruined for being angled in his own game after years of being squeaky clean and kind to everyone.
@@twistedspine7300 How the fuck did she cheat? She went with her gut and was right.
Craziest call in Poker History just made her an instant celebrity, the whole poker world is talking about this
Yes, talking about her but I doubt we will ever see her on that particular stream again. Not if they want to appease Garret. Just my opinion.
which makes it so dangerous when comes to defamation accusing her of cheating with no proof
@@eugenedavisjr3005 seems like she is vibrating and lying all the time.
This is a very clear case of cheating I’m afraid
Definitely a cheater
That reminds me how I use to play and in fact I was a winning player, doing some wierd calls and super crazy raises with nothing and some how the board use to favors me. Now i calculate combos and draws and odds boards never hits 🤭
Very interesting analysis all around.
Daniel has always been a very logical cerebral player and his analysis and how he would handle this situation is spot on.
RIP could not have seen Gman's cards. Garrett always blocks one side of his cards with his stack so there's no way.
Gman is somewhere right now praying that this thing will die down soon.
He also represents a major online site. Which means he has to be diplomatic.
@Nademir ok prove it how!! don't know the answer then you have to have an open mind. garret is a bully and overplays bluffs against part time players, but these players are unpredictable. and make on face of it stupid calls. in the stream he did this to her 3x previously. had it done to me and you just think sod it win or lose I call. and guess what sometimes you win does that make it cheating nope just lucky.
@Nademir
def?
than someone from hustler helped her.
@@chadwellington2524 that's not true. Look at his reaction until he cards revealed. He handles losing pretty well bc he knows he'll win it back. It's just when he thought it was fishy he changed attitude
@@pvan42 true
Kodos Dnegs, finally someone well known in poker who is ready to accept that she might be not guilty.
Pretty sure Selbst took a line that she may not be guilty on their CZcamss too.
Edit: I take it back, Polk's (I said Selbst prior due to a running joke, but was referring to Polk) 2nd vid is strongly taking the 'she cheated' side.
Not a snow balls chance in hell is she innocent
Plenty have, some people can't look at it from her perspective.
If ur not guilty of something U would NEVER PAY BACK ANYTHING?! Just my opinion doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things.
@@scottsharp1763 correct.. she realized the world just witnessed her cheating and tried to make it go away.
I was watching this live. Strangest hand I've ever seen. It was great. And the aftermath has been great. Robbi giving the money back was also strange and her explanation was interesting - and she came back and played. I think RIP ruined the game for Garrett. Because we don't really know if she cheated, I think Garrett should give the money back.
Garrett only accepted Robbi’s unsolicited offer to return the winnings because he believed that it was the closest that he would get to receiving any justice - as he believes the offer is/was an admission of guilt.
You see that Rip was talking to Joe Ingram about the situation while logged into Robbi's zoom account. It was super strange considering the husband said they are in a monogamous relationship and has no awareness of her cheating on him when it was brought up to him about them possibly having some sort of relationship. Rip backed her in the game, laughed his ass on when she won the hand, got super pissed she gave the money back...all of it is super odd and almost appears to be some sort of collusion.
@@Rizzerio1 they were definitely colluding during the game. One hand they played they both had ace something and the board came AA something. They pretty much check it down to the River then one of them bet small and they just called. I think Robbie won because she had the bigger kicker. The point is that hand they both should end up all in they purposely slowed played their hands. I don’t think someone that’s staking someone else should be playing in the same game. They can team up on people and squeeze them out of pots it’s just very fishy. Maybe Garrett seen that hand then after she called him with Jack high he had enough of the bullshit and flipped out.
Seems obvious she cheated
Garrett taking the money back was a bad look however we all know he has good instincts and as more facts emerge I think his instincts will be validated.
This was the best coverage of the hand I’ve seen yet. I can admit that I have no idea if she cheated or not - but I do THINK it’s as simple as he’s putting it
Discuss the Tom Dwan hand on high stakes poker when he made this same call type ( he lost, but put opponent on low card draw)
Was it for his stack? Wouldn't shock me. He was the 1st pure nutball on poker after dark
@@DH-rs6cq Wasn't for his hole stack, but a large bet. Stu Unger made this call also (he was correct and put his opponent on low straight draw) Called with 10 high correctly.
@@ronaldbarnes1746 thanks
she said before she called that she just wanted to see his hand, which happens everyday in every pokerroom... calling with intention of losing just to see his cards
agreed, it happens 28 million times a day. Where people say "I know i'm beat, but I want to see it,,,sigh"
It doesn’t happen for almost $300,000… are you serious.
It doesn’t happen for almost $300,000… are you serious.
@@ronaldbarnes1746 lol, who the hell calls with jack high on a multi hundred thousand pot just to see someones hand in the scenario you most likely lost....like what? the logic is so crazy that not even a moron would commit to that at those stakes, even if they are a multi millionaire.
@@Rizzerio1 mr beast would.
This podcast was the best take of the situation at 32:00 mark argument makes a lot of sense , if she did have the ability to cheat why go with that spot .
Good morning. I very much enjoyed your discussion. No one seemed to comment on the possibility of Rabbi having a read on Garrett. It's possible she thought, or felt (sometimes it's a feeling) that she had a tell on Garrett and she thought he was trying to steal the pot. She may have had the same "read" when she almost called his full house with J3. Obviously her read would have been way off, but she did tell him that next time she's not letting him steal it. It could be the same read, something she thought she saw, wish may not have been a tell a tell at all, but she got away from it when he had the boat and made her call the next time, when he was drawing.
THERE WAS A hand on hi stakes poker where dwan called a bet with 10 high cause he thought the other guy was chasing a 6 hi straight. this isnt quite the same, but it could discourage crazy hero calls in the future. unless garrett new she was cheating he should be glad she is in the lineup.
I wish I could get my money back from gambling
That was against Daniel lol
And totally different class of players
Also IV my memory is correct Dwan has made a call with 8 high also
Now dwan is talking about how he thinks she cheated. Said the guy who goes crazy with 8 high and 9 high 🙄
@@Fucku244 I mean at the time dwan was probably the best player in the world and the was defo method in his “madness”
She is certainly no where near that
to be fair both Andy and Ivey said on the stream what i think is true of this situation. she thought she had J3, then was embarrased to win once she saw she misread, and tried to play it off whilst Persson was lauding her call. Garrett should give the money back
She said after the call she didn’t have a 3…
They are both wrong and she is a liar. She did not have Jack three she did not think she had Jack three she had Jack four and she knew she had Jack four. She said she didn’t have a three when she was asked she also didn’t act surprised when she flipped up her jack for and saw that it wasn’t Jack three. Last she looked at her hand not once but twice for a total of about 25 seconds.
She asked, “can you beat 3’s” after the call, so yeah, she thought she had J3.
@hayden, she was asked if she had pocket 3s or a 3 and she said no she had a bluff catcher.
@@hayden6489 wrong. That’s shit people say she also said I don’t have 3’s.
I think this has been the most fair, unbiased, well explained (poker wise), break down of the possibilities I have seen yet. Thank you for not piling on either side. I personally think Daniels explanation of how Robbi was thinking, Fk this bully, is most likely what happened. I really appreciated your comments on how non pros have a hard time explaining their logic, or lack of it, especially under such stressful circumstances, being flustered, but trying not to show it, and having a hard time explaining that you really didn't play by statistics, but rather by gut and how insane that sounds to professional poker players. Also, you explain why even the best of players, in the moment, can think they have a different hand (maybe the last one). And the lead up to the turns was a great explanation for those of us who thought she seemed to have a great hand with the board, why she would have wanted to go another round. I know I am not speaking proper poker language, but I am grateful for your analysis vs some of the other bro type hate being spewed. So, thank you.
Very reasonable discussion. Well done.
Dan hit the nail on the head. This is my thought process exactly! She was trying to “prove” herself in a hand, thinks he’s bluffing, does a min raise, got in over her head, didn’t really consider what she had and then just went for it hoping his cards were low. I truly don’t think there’s more to this story. As a female, I can understand how a girl would he trying to prove herself, especially at these high stakes tables. She got super lucky and she won. She still won that hand fair and square and deserves that money. IMO, Garrett’s career is finished, I lost a ton of respect for him, after this childish and immature response to a donkey play by an amateur player.
Cheating is and always has been a thing in poker. This was one of the most insane and stupid plays ever. He is a poker player trained to smell a rat and act accordingly. He knew hecwas either cheated or she is the worst player in poker. His reaction was calm and perfect.
@@imnotoopinionated it was insane and stupid because she’s not a good player. Look at her other plays. She wanted to call his bluff and didn’t even consider how stupid it is to do that with J high then changed the narrative once she realized everyone at the table thinks she’s an amateur.
@Amanda agreed but insert Does min raise, reads his body language (has experience playing with him as previously stated), recognizes a tell that he isn't good, baited him with min raise, waits for his all in & decides to call.... I have made the mistake of being inattentive/bored with similar situation, had Q10 previous hand now have KQ thinking I had Q10, and was she really looking at her cards or making it look like she was looking at them and looking for tell, she also made a move with chips from back of stack to front of her stack in a effort to get a final read, just before calling and then caught his hand in the cookie jar
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@@starkfm I def agree to some extent but I do think it’s such a stupid call even if she is getting the right read on him. You have to assume he is on a low flush or straight draw or combo draw and at that point, you know it’s 50/50 which is still so risky with your entire stack. If you know he’s on a combo draw, would you still make the call? Hell no, not with Jack high. She was just trying to call his bluff (and she was right. He was on a semi bluff and it happened to be low cards) but she doesn’t understand that calling his bluff with Jack high is ridiculous. Calling his bluff with 33 is ok… maybe… so then she realized after the hand, she should push this narrative that she thought she had a 3 so that it doesn’t make her look so ridiculous. I mean she’s literally sitting at the table with the greats And she comes off like a total donkey if she says the truth “I thought Jack high was a good bluff catcher” so she changed it a bit. I just can’t believe Polk and these other players I admire are convinced she’s cheating.
The only conceivable type of cheating that would make sense in that hand is if she knew the run out. And if you know that why are you ever using that knowledge at a poker table? If you can get a run out on cards you would 100% be going to the high limit blackjack table. It would be so much more useful and you could literally take the casino for millions not one time for $125k.
Honestly Dnegs is amazing at reading people when he speaks on matters like this with incomplete info it’s a priveledge to hear his take, I’m confident this is as close to the truth as we will get.👏👏
Her giving the money back was closest will get to her admitting she was cheating
@@chriskoshinski nah, Kevin heart playing with pros mis read a hand thought he had a straight won a huge pot. He gave the player the money back. He felt bad.
Plenty of reasons to do it.
@@mrhumble2937 not even remotely close too the same situation
@@chriskoshinski Yeah but it just goes to show that there are many reasons why she could have chosen to give money back. We weren't there so can't say with 100 percent certainty why she chose to.
The imagery of GA explaining why you can't min-raise with a Jc blocker to a jury is the funniest imagery I could ever think of.
I am glad that Amanda is getting a degree in Psychology Daniel. I am sure you guys have talked about this a lot of memories change and adapt as time passes. She probably gave the money back because she doesn't need it, and she wants to play for fun. I think what happened is Garrett got beat by a Novice female, and he couldn't understand how she beat him as a novice because she was not playing Game Theory Optimal. She was there to have fun. Robbi got sick of being bullied in hands by Garrett, had a read and didn't think about her cards, because she was nervous and on live TV, with millions potentially watching. I think Robbi isn't getting her due flatly because she is a female novice, and caved because men bully women in real life and she felt attacked because he Kept calling her a cheater at the table like a sore loser. She didn't know she would win, because she wanted to run it twice, because she thought she was going to lose. I think she saw partials of 2 cards, which is why she asked if he had a 3. Doug Polk was grasping at straws. This is confirmation bias. I think her phone might have rang, but that could have been her husband who forgot where she was, and called to find out. She could also be shaking her leg because she is nervous.
Worst take I’ve ever seen. Try again
Please, show me where he called her a cheater. Also, if garret is that good at bullying people he should be rich! 100,000$ from bullying? He should be harrassing women every night. Also, you are correct she doesnt need the money because another player at the table covered her. Makes sense why that dude lost his cool when she just gave away 100k
This is a painfully bad take
The "Occam's Razor" of this situation hinges on how good of a poker player she is. After watching and reading a lot of debate on the subject, I'm now of the opinion she's a very mediocre player who somehow managed to get into a high profile, high stakes game---a game in which she was purportedly staked by someone. Looking at this through the lens of "she's not very good" and "she's got a big ego and wants people to think she's good" and "it's not her money, but she also happens to be very rich so the money doesn't really matter" pretty much explains everything, including her bizarre comments and behavior after the hand (like giving the money back). She got so caught up in trying to make a showy hero call that she forgot to make sure she could actually beat a bluff. It's a mistake a professional wouldn't make, but a mediocre amateur might, especially in front of the camera with Phil Ivey sitting at the table. Her bluster after the hand was an attempt to cover up the fact that she made a giant blunder and looks like a fool. Ironically, trying to cover up her foolishness made her seem like a cheater.
Exactly how i read it
Not too foolish tho, she did actually win the hand. Her equity was essentially a coin toss compared to his. Occam's Razor says she did exactly what she said she did, she based her judgement mainly on his behavior and her knowledge of his behavioral patterns. She said quite plainly that she had the flush blocker. She said quite plainly that "firstly there's a straight draw". If a person knows how straight draws work, they would assume the possibility of 7&8 which she beats unless they're clubs which she thought she blocks. I'm not saying a female could possibly compute what cards are required to make a straight draw but I know men are capable of making that kind of calculation.
@@dickmacgurn590 Not a single one of the pros who's analyzed the hand defends her decision to call. She herself is now saying she thought she had J3 not J4. It was an unbelievably foolish call, regardless of the fact that she won the hand.
@@TF-lk6co none of the "pros" including the one she destroyed here has the balls to win that hand by making that hero call 😅
Dude, u obviously don't know that the person who was backing her play, WAS SITTING ACROSS THE DAMN TABLE 2 SEATS TO THE RIGHT OF G. A. The same guy who caused G.A. to bounce with all the threatening chit talking... "White cowboy hat dude".... Forget everything else, THAT alone is incredibly unethical (maybe not allowed I dunno).
The guy at the bottom is so helpful in this convo.
The 'oh you're there!' guy
I have a question: doesn't the fact that she has the Jc as a blocker make it MORE likely that Garrett has a stronger hand? Like he can't have as many combodraws due to the Jc being blocked by her, so it would tilt his allin-value range more towards made hands, like pairs or better, correct?
Negranu still can’t explain why he thought he had the blocker theory backwards.
Right. It's like he STILL doesn't really know it that well. He has to really think about it to remember how it works.
Thanks Terrance, for pointing out the hand before. As an amateur, Robbi could easily think she has Jack three, because she states can you beat a three, she then looks at her hand and see Jack four. Now she just go for it.
"She could think she has a jack, beaches she states she has a 3"???? Wtf are you on? Lmao. If she thought she had a j she should of said that..... btw after she says " a 3 is no good"? She checks her hand 3x immediately after that statement
She checked her cards again before calling and for a good amount of time. Definitely not a misread.
She might have thought J3 before Garrett shoved and then looked and was just like f it, I think he is bluffing and called. You cannot use pro level logic to analyze her play.
Garrett was completely out of line and may have just thrown away millions in future earnings.
Terrence just put out so many conspiracy and speculation. Daniel provide real analysis
@@mewalrus pls go watch the stream.
first, she checked her cards 10 times
second, when she called, people asked her if she has pocket 33 or a 3 and she said no
third, if she misreead her cards, she would react on it like “oh shoot i miss read my hand”
Casual players will panic vs the most famous Pro players... goes blank and nothing makes sense in such a big spot. We can psyche ourselves to make a bad call anytime when under pressure.
Love you Daniel, You most always get it right. You got it right again.
I have done this multiple times. I had nothing and I believed they missed as well. And depending on who I played with I just wanted to see there hand. As long as I still had money to buy in again tomorrow I’m a fish I go all in as well.
Garrett was telling Robbi "you're missing $5,000" when RIP walked in...Rip says in a live stream
RIP gives her good meat
Reminds me of a small hand by Mike Nia when he called with 8 high I believe, to win a pot. Don't think there was any cheating. She knows that Garret is always bluffing and she just called the bluff
Yeah Garret is always bluffing there, that's why he is up over 1 million in this game...if only the other pros could figure that out.
"I thought you had ace high, so I called with j high".... yeah makes perfect sense 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@chriskoshinski Just cause it doesn't make sense doesn't mean was cheating.
You guys nailed it.
Great breakdown!
Listening to Daniel and the other guy brought that to my mind that I had called/raise in a game years ago because I was thinking I had cards from my very last hand and lost after I turned my cards over and was surprised! It happens!
Cheating is a very serious issue and should not be tossed around without any evidence period!!!
Was for a 100 k usd in a bet-raise-shove-call pot after you looked at your cards for 10 seconds?
@@LLlap I heard she has played for a year! Players do call when they shouldn't! She had won a little over $100 thousand the night before and may have been just gambling without thinking clearly! It happens although not much in high stakes poker!
@@LLlap 100k means something different to us then it does to them.
@@LLlap thi happens often with way more than 100k bets. its normal its call poker. not every one should play every had a certain way or how "pros" will always play them.
Garret should have to give the money back.
Garret believes she's guilty until proven innocent.
I'm a bit puzzled, Daniel says there were only one suspicious hand but there seems to be more according to Doug polk
You pros are way overthinking this because your thought process is so much more advanced in this game. As a rec player it makes total sense to me that she called. She read the guy and went with pure emotion and her gut. I'm just sick that people are bullying her and she actually gave him the money back, now that is insane. As a woman playing poker this is a set back and only makes me feel more intimidated to make what pros consider bad calls and win. Thanks for the video and a different perspective that doesn't accuse her of cheating.
This exactly. I see calls like this all the time in low stakes, or amateurs against amateurs. I know that for myself, I try to study the game as much as I can, but when I’m at the table in a stressful moment, I forget everything I learn and go with my gut, which often leads to a bad play. But it’s poker, so every once in a while, a bad play will still win you a hand. Just ask Phil Hellmuth and his Q4.
People forget that everyone playing is gambling. It's your choice no matter what if you wanna call or not. It's your money.
If she'd lost would Garrett give her the money back for making a crazy call?
NOPE.
Poker isn’t considered gambling, FYI.
@@danalexander2149 it is actually
@@estegerset - It isn’t, actually. It’s legally considered a game of skill - which is why so many states where gambling is illegal still are allowed to have poker rooms.
@@danalexander2149 it is gambling cause there is high variance of chance involved. Just because some states allow it doesnt change that, or if a player understand odds better than another
@@danalexander2149 ask yourself do you need luck to win the wsop main event?
Strange how Daniel and everyone else keep out pointing out the same thing. "She looked confused and flustered and that's why she didn't cheated". That's exactly how we know they cheated. They kept on buzzing her to call, and she just couldn't figure out how she could ever be good. But what else could she have done had to do what her backers were telling her to do.
GRATS ON YOUR HIGH ROLLER BOWL WIN!!! Well Deserved my man! 💥👍💪
Fuxya!
You might want to check out Joey Ingram's streams on this. He has actual interviews with most people involved. There are interviews with Robbi Jade Lew, Rip(Jacob), Charles Lew, Nick Vertucci, who are all directly involved. Other interviews with David Williams, Houston Curtis, Faraz Jaka, Bart Hansen, Jarrod Jaffe, Mike Matusow, Marle Spragg, Shaun Deeb, and a few others. Also, Robbi Jade Lew on Hendon Mob was mistakenly combined with Robert Lew apparently, she has only been playing competitively for about a year. Joey Ingram is basically making a video record of all of the public information for this case. Also, I personally think that Robbi is actually very good at reading other players and that is the sauce you can't measure realistically. Thanks.
Agree with you totally
Robbi is not cheating. She's only guilty of being a fishy player who is too embarrassed to admit she sucks at poker. But that's all she's guilty of.
She’s playing and explaining like a “rookie” player. She makes no sense because she’s a “rookie” player.
Louis who works for HCL is friends with RIP. During that hand, RIP got a message from his smartwatch and signaled to Robbi when Robbi was taking her time to make a decision. Robbi didnt have any device but RIP did. Its cheating when info was passed down to RIP and in turn, RIP signaled to Robbi to call the All In
THIS! Watch the earlier J8 hand and Robbi's look at RIP before her call, this was the first attempt that went wrong. You can tell after there is some kind of tension between the two.
Yes the only way I can see cheating is if Louis is feeding information to RIP.
There is NO MFing way I would ever give any money back if I won the money fair and square. I'
I've been playing poker for over 20 yrs and I have won/lost thousands of dollars. Never once cheated . Never !! If you give the money back, YOU CHEATED ! PERIOD !
If she loses the pot, Everyone just moves on to the next hand and we probably see a few troll posts about her play in that hand but nothing more. But cause she won its a scandal and all the conspiracies pop out....
Poker community is trash aint it
Not true watch the new Doug Polk video she's played many hands like this and one of them you can actually see the chair shaking every time it's at the exact same time about 15 to 20 seconds in and her whole chair and body will shake and then she will make her decision and every time it is been correct he just put the video out
@@EricPrincipino that's not evidence. We need more than theories
G man would have called the same thing if he won both runouts and saw what she called with.
@@EricPrincipino the chair/body shaking is obviously a restless foot. Who the hell is going to wear a secret cheating device that SHAKES THEIR ENTIRE BODY?
I'd like to also add that..when she said you look like you want to kill me,she was generally scared. And maybe that's why she gave the cash back..he should return it ASAP!
Except he didn't look like that, he was clearly confused by the look on his face
She said it because she wanted to feel safe and he didn't back down by denying it. He was threatening because he continued to allow her to feel threatened.
It’s called a guilty conscience.
@@FlowerSupply420 They called her off camera and bullied her to give it back.
@@Joeyz94z Oh please, “bullied”? Watch her friggin interview. She said what would it take to get you back playing, and he replied frankly. If she’s that easy to “bully” how the heck did she make it to million dollar stakes??
So, I’m confused. I think I have the blockers backwards like what Daniel said. Isn’t it bad that she had the jack of clubs? Bc it makes it less likely he is bluffing, considering a bluff in that spot would be QJ of clubs? So it reduces the number of bluff combos? Or do I have it backwards lol.
FYI for defamation the alleged defamer must 1. Know they are lying about the alleged defamed (Garrett really believed and prolly still believes that he was cheated by her) 2. They intended to harm their target financially and 3. They did indeed harm them financially
A million miles from a legit defamation case. Charles Lew threatening a law suit only says they will never sue. No one threatens a suit and sues, they just serve you if they are serious. Robbi, Charles and Rip all show clear signs of Cluster B personality disorders, the deception for no reason just cuz, the twisting of reality, misusing big words, and hubris. That doesn’t mean she cheated, though. But the bizarre behavior of a narcissist sure has muddied the water
I love the respect Terrence is giving on his background. Every child matters 🧡
J4 will now be called the “The Robbi” hand by poker players everywhere
Literally no one will
@@andyzavala7286 Only a hot woman with big lips and big ***s and a toothpaste ad smile could get away with it.
@@andyzavala7286 $5 says everyone will.
J4 has been called the flat tire. Because what's a jack for? A flat tire. Silly for sure. Don't think it will change
The Rob You Hand
Taking away from cheating or not, I don’t think it was ethically right for Rip to be in the game and backing someone in the same game without letting everyone at the table knowing.
What a professional objective segment
I play like her all the time at my home games. Calling with nothing 😂.
How can she be cheating when there was no river card when she called. Garret was favorite
I do that too… not for $135000
Yeah but thats not cheating ! Garret cant take the loss thats all
RIP got angry when she gave his money back.
I've made these types of calls before when very tired, distracted, misread the hand, 'for a laugh', hoping the other player is bluffing with 'absolutely' nothing...........not often, but once a year or so. I've been playing for decades. At the moment it looks like not cheating to me!
I think a lot of people forget how much money is on the line that adds a major element against her favor
I love that Daniel has an open mind about it unlike some other professionals who has pretty much decided that she cheated. Sure that’s a possibility but unless it’s proven, she is innocent.
Right. Saying she cheated w.o any proof at all or even a theory of how. Hand history shows she didnt cheat. Running twice also points to not cheating. Being rich already and then giving it back points to not cheating.
If Ivey makes that call they’d say it was the sickest soul read ever… not fair towards Robbi at all…
This argument is ridiculous. If my Aunty had a dick she’d be my uncle. The fact is she isn’t Phil Ivey, the literal GOAT of poker, she’s come from nowhere and has a made an EXTREMELY suspect play. When something seems too good to be true, it’s because it usually is.
Tbf nobody will ever question ivey due to his major success in the past. Robbi doesn't have that
The cheat doesn’t need to be perfect it could run on a % chance of winning ( activated when the threshold is reached say 80%) if a third person can find out what cards are out of the deck it reduces the number of cards available in the deck and then working out % they could have a good chance to know what cards are coming next. This could explain the delay as someone needs to input the info into a device to get a read on the hand. Not a perfect system but can give you all the advantage you need to win.
Until evidence to the contrary is shown, I 100% agree with DNegs take on this. Daniel has been around long enough to know that playing poker isn't just about numbers. Too many solver based players concluding that a call in a 100% fold spot means she's doing something wrong, suspect, or worthy of being called cheating.
lol. evidence to the contrary has already been shown.
I've seen people set on calling all the way through no matter what comes out. It's usually a personal thing with a certain player or super tilted. To assume she's cheating is one thing, but to take the money back is complete horse shit by Garrett. Gman should not have accepted it back. That will be the scar on his reputation in the long run.
You know Ryan & Nick were with Gman when they cornered her in the hallway. It was 3 on 1 pressure. Gman's reputation is obliterated unless he pays her back and publicly apologizes.
I don’t know. Garret was ok losing the money - you could tell after the second run out bricked - until he seen how he lost it and then clearly he thought something wasn’t right.
tell me again, what stakes do you play? Im just curious because of you are offering your experience from 1/2 (wich is most likely) as evidence than Idk what to tell you other than just to stfu
Great breakdown guys… So quick comment to think about.. Don’t we always hear the reason the WSOP OF POKER is so tough is because amateurs make goofy plays that sometimes work out? This is what probably happened here. Also last question… how culpable is hustler for pulling her off the table to talk to Garett?
Thanks for having a rational conversation about this.
She didnt cheat and Garret fucked up big time. I hope her and her husband follow through on this, fully vindicate themselves and sue the shit out of all parties involved.
Garrett needs to go far far away
Her husband is a lawyer... Garrett could have really made a big mistake if she didn't cheat and they decide to pursue legal action.
Why is it that lawsuits need to be involved? Can’t this be sorted out reasonably and amicably?
Agreed 💯
How can you cheat??? Ran it twice…saved by two river…? Take an L when the river bless the other player…and not you. Plus…..she is a girl and their head is more F up then men.