Wireless Pro PWM Set Up and Test for DIY Modified Kayak Trolling Motor
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- This is the wiring set up and test for the Wireless Pro WTP12C-P Auto Run Controller and PWM Power Module. This is installed on a DIY modified Minn Kota Endura C2 30 lb trolling motor but is the same set up for Newport Vessels trolling motors.
This is the link for the PWM:
www.wirelesstrollingpro.com//
**Update 4/2022**
This URL is no longer valid. There was problems with the company for over a year and now apparently they are no longer in business. - Sport
Just wanted to confirm to you and all who view this tutorial That WIRELESS TROLLING PRO is very much in business and i just ordered mine.
Cant wait to install. Thanks for your help!!
Thanks John.
Perfect. This is the answer i was looking for. I wanted to remove the head and plug the pwm straight to the motor. Thanks.
You are welcome!
Hey Aksman, Happy New Year! I have a question, do you know just how far your motor needs to be under the water to prevent cavitation?
I'm and told the closer you can get to the water line without cavitation the more efficient your motor will run. I will be running a 40 lb minn kota
With the standard prop on a bonafied ss127. I will be shortening the shaft and would like to go as short as possible. This will add in lifting the trolling motor out of the water and give me that nice low profile on top that i am looking for.
Good Morning, I realize this is an older video, just looking at but good. I'm hooking a Minn Kota 30lb thrust to my 13' Vibe. I ordered a 12c30-p 30lb. I was reading your replies below and you ordered a 40amp. I think I need to go bigger just for protection. Lot of cash to burn up. Any thoughts would help. Thank you!
I just got my wireless pro PWM kit, finally had the chance to install it lastnight. I have follow all the step and even check the breaker. When i install it the trolling motor kick on for 1-2 sec and shut off. The wireless remote didnt do anything. but when i hook the trolling motor directly into the battery it work fine. there has to be some kind of shortage in the wireless box. looking forward to send my back and have it check out!
Hi Van. Is the PMW and the breaker rated for the amps in the trolling motor?
What’s the name of the hand held unit you have there and where do I get those units Thank you
Great Detailed Video ! , is the Pro PWM waterproof?
All is clear, good explanation on yellow-white wires - they are not needed. Only it's NOT wireless :)... This is their Cable version, but they do have wireless remote as well. Love your videos, very informative/
Thanks Al. True, it is their cable version but the company is called Wireless Trolling Pro. I'm glad my videos can help.
Excellent setup you have there. Question that I have is I have the Endura Max and would like to just keep the head in the side of my track and the motor in the back side. Which cable and gauge can I use to connect the cables from the head to the motor? They are too short so I need something in between to connect the two and just don't have an idea which cable type and gauge is needed. I know the battery can be used just a regular electrical cable but not too sure of the other ones.
Thanks!
Thanks! The red/black wires from the motor are 10G. The yellow/white are 14G.
Hi Axsman,
Looks real nice. Glad you got one and installed it. Looks pretty simplistic. Looking forward to a video when you get it on the water. He has a nice neat control box that is easily attached to your kayak.
I guess he must still be having issues with getting the wireless control circuits as he shows those models out of stock.
Many thanks for sharing!
John
Thanks John. I spoke with him and he said that the wireless model is still about 2 weeks behind schedule. This one is really simple to work with when compared to the other model I am using.
Thanks John. I spoke with him and he said that the wireless model is still about 2 weeks behind schedule. This one is really simple to work with when compared to the other model I am using.
Hi Axsman,
We were looking for a dual wireless system that would wirelessly control both the trolling motor speed and reversing functions and also control a linear actuator for steering purposes. i.e. 2 knobs one for each function. Phil still continues to work on his version.
John
Hi John. How are your and Phil's projects going?
Ty fir this. Ordered today!
You are welcome.
You make it look so easy! I'd like to add a circuit breaker in the battery hot line. I have a 65# thrust motor. Any ideas what amperage I should get? Any input appreciated. Nice video.
In your minn kota manual there is a chart that tells you the size breaker to use. I bought a resettable circuit breaker. My 30# unit calls for a 50 amp on #10 wire.
Thanks for your informative videos... what I would like to know is is you have seen any difference in using 10 gauge vs 8 gauge wires ,most people never talk about wires since I understand 10g could be ok for a 30lbs troll motor but once you start getting into the 45`s or 50`s then that can become a issue of resistance and heat ... I got a 55lbs motor and even my fuse and connectors supposed to be for at least 50amps minimum and 8g wire , is that right or can I get away with less? thanks for your advice .
Thanks Frank. I know many people refer to the Minn Kota wire gauge chart. In my opinion, it uses a huge factor of safety for liability reasons. I have wired numerous trolling motors from 30-55 lbers on kayaks using 10G up to 13 feet with never any problems.
Hi and great video! In your application, why is it necessary to remove TM head to connect to black and red wire? Couldn't you connect to those wires without removing the head?
Thanks Chris. Yes you could do it that way but the operation would be a little bit different. You would need to keep the speed selector switch at setting 5 to make sure to allow for maximum current flow. But since this project no longer uses the stock speed selector switch in the head, it is a more streamlined design to remove it completely.
Thanks for quick response! Your tutorials have been most helpful while I prepare for my setup.
You're welcome. Good luck!
Thanks for the video. Where is the fuse and what amp do you use
You are welcome. I use a 50 or 60A circuit breaker between the battery and PWM.
thank you so much for the info and demonstration. I am going to modify my moter and control the way you have done... so simple when someone shows you so clearly. Take care! The grey wire joining the two boxes seems to be an ordinary phone wire am I right?
Sorry about the late reply...I just saw your comment. Yes, the gray wire is for the control pot.
I am looking at using the Wireless Trolling Pro for my Kayak. I will be putting a Minn Kota Endura Max 55 LB trolling motor on it. I have in the past with a Motorguide C3 taken the switch out and remounted it by the chair and it worked well. The Minn Kota however, has a molded in switch that doesn't look to be removable. I noticed that you had 2 wires that were not connected and the power ran directly into the motor itself. Are the cables coming from the wireless pro go directly to the wires that go down to the motor? The video was a little unclear as to what they hooked up to. Thanks
Yes, you don't use the white and yellow wires on the MK. You only use the pos and neg wiring for the WTP.
Thank you for getting back with me I really appreciate what is causing mine to pulsate fast slow fast slow both in reverse and in forward position. I turned the speed control to the highest setting when I hooked it up. Could that be my problem. Please get back with me
Same exact thing happened to me. Been trying to get hold of company for weeks. They have lied and been next to impossible to get in touch with. Avoid them like the plague!!!
Aksman, your videos are the best, I'm going to add trolling motor to my eagle Talon yak, question with the pwm controller how do you wire the breaker to the controller and battery.
Thanks again Al. You wire the circuit breaker between the battery power leads and PWM. The PWM then runs to the trolling motor power leads.
Could you please put a link to where you ordered your controller from I cannot find it on eBay thanks great video
Thanks Ed. You can find them at "wirelesstrollingpro.com"
Hi mate this is what I want & very interesting to come across your video please advice how & where to order exact same hand held controller and the other unit that is needed for this job. Waiting your reply thanks a lot much appreciated.
Thank you. The company that made the PWM is no longer in business. There is an Australian company that makes a good PWM that I have used. It is called Motion Dynamics.
Hi, I purchased the PWM and installed it the way you demonstrated and also added a 30amp circuit breaker. After being on the water for a hour, the PWM stop working and it was really hot with a bad smell. I bought a second one and it did the same thing. Just shipped both units back for inspection. Any advice?
Hi, you purchased a WTP PWM? The description you gave sounds like there is an electrical short. I'm not sure what the problem could be exactly without seeing the set up. I would be very interested in the results of the inspection if you would post it here. Thank you.
Have you ever tested, or do you by chance know, the minimum voltage needed to power the controller? Also, does the company publish max voltage?
Hi Brian. I have never tested or have knowledge of the minimum voltage requirements. You could email the company. They might have some test info.
what do you suggest for a 50lb min variable speed trolling mtr ? will this work with out loosing the var speed ? .or should i just do it with a box like in your other video
The variable speed TMs have different wiring so this probably wouldn't work. Besides, the variable speed TM already has a speed controller. I would make a remote box.
Just a quick question which controller did you order because Minn Kota c2 30 recommends a 50 amp breaker but they have several to choose from I believe they start at 30lbs up to 45lbs and does the 50 amp breaker protect both the controller and the motor thank for your great videos
Thanks Ed. The usual estimate for TM current draw is 1A for every lb of thrust (30lb=30A). However, when using a PWM the current draw is dramatically reduced. I did kayak field testing with the C2 30 lb TM and found that the maximum current draw with the PWM was less than 20A. Minn Kota recommends the 50A circuit breaker based on the stock speed controller. I bought the 40A PWM just to have a bigger factor of safety for the TM. The way the PWM is wired, the circuit breaker will protect it and the TM. I hope this helps.
You pull a lot more than 30a when on full speed and hit weeds or the bottom or from dead stop to full speed starts that’s why they recommended a 50a breaker
What 90° fitting are you using at the top of the trolling motor shaft? I measured mine and it’s an on size. 1.13”
I used a 3/4 inch 90 with a slip fit end. I heated it up with a heat gun to make it fit over the shaft and added a rubber chair leg cap. I drilled a hole in the center of the rubber cap for the wiring.
thanks for the video instruction
You're welcome.
I am interested as to where you got your project box?
Hi Sam; If you mean the box I used to make the TM speed switch in a different video, you can get it at Lowes or Home Depot. It is a 4 X 4 inch outdoor electrical box.
thanks for the video!!!
You're welcome Carlos.
Thank you Sir - how can I get to all your other videos
You are welcome Gerry. Here is my CZcams channel link. czcams.com/channels/nl__DThu7j5W32-_8BFzkw.html
Aksman, from your expertise, is performance better with the pwm control module, or the controller box you made in your previous videos. The control box that you fabricated is really nice and cheaper to make. In your opinion which would you go with?
It depends on your budget. Yes, the original control box is easier to make and costs much less. The PWM requires different wiring and is much more expensive. The PWM does have more advantages. It uses less battery current so your battery power will last longer. It also has an infinite amount of speed settings.
So they say to put it on speed 5 formax energy saving. So with yours being removed do you still get the same in energy consumption
I have only field tested the unit without the head. Putting it on 5 allows for full current flow for the max energy saving and max speed. I have not tested both variations side by side for comparison. Removing the head and original switch could only increase the enregy savings based on my previous testing IMO.
Have you noticed any loss of speed with this setup vs the regular switch?
No, the speed is the same.
I have installed this exact unit on my Feelfree kayak and I also install a " kill switch" (the red one), they are both connected to the red wire from the battery thus the positive current but they both work reverse... : on my Pro PWM forward activate the reverse on the motor anf reverse avtivate the forward... and the kill switch cut the engine when it is setup to run and ounce I pull the plug the engine start! Unbelivable... I just can't understand why but I will keep investigating! Any idea?
Reverse black/red control wires going from motor to PWM controller (not black/red wires from controller to battery). Controller doesn't care about polarity of control wires, he's just switching them. The company probably outsources manufacturing to China, and you know how they are...
Does the dial knob let you run on low speeds or is it just high on both forward and reverse? I’m wanting something I can run on a lower speed and slowly fish then turn the dial up so I can get across the lake in a hurry will this do that?
This PWM has an infinite amount of forward/reverse speed settings.
Aksman awesome thank you sir! Your videos are awesome thank you so much for sharing this great information! Keep up the good work!
You are welcome.
Why does my trolling motor have 4 wires?
What kind of controller is this and where did you get it from and how much was it I need one?
It is listed in the narrative and title. The company seems to be out of business currently.
hello again Aksman, I have a question i received my WTP this week. I'm only running about 5' of wire looks like 12 gauge to me.
Is that sufficient? One more thing i see your NYPD shirt are you NYPD? Most of my wife's family are too.
Hi John. I run 10G for all my battery and trolling motor pos/neg. Not NYPD but retired LEO.
Does the controller control speed as well or is it simply on/off?
Yes. It has an infinite amount of speed control settings.
Aksman, I am in the middle of a similar instal on my Kayak, but discovered that on the Endura 34 motor which I am using, the black wire coming out of the shaft is much larger than the other 3. This led me to investigate the continuity on the original control switch that was in the head of the motor, and it appears that on my motor speed is controlled by adding power to additonal wires (so that all 4 wires are used in foreward and reverse) and direction is changed by changing polarity. Are you sure your trolling motor uses the yellow and white wires to control direction?
I was given that information by an electrical engineer that works on the TMs. The max power occurs when the red and black motor wires act as if directly attached to the battery. I assume it has the standard TM switch inside the head as other Minn Kotas? For the PWM install, all you need is the red and black wires and that is why the instructions recommend selecting speed 5 on the shifter. Speed 5 allows maximum current to travel through the internal switch as if it was hooked directly to the battery. Did this answer your question?
Aksman,
My motor appears to have the standard Minn Kota switch, but from what I can determine by testing with a multimeter, speed is controlled by sequentially connecting additional wires to the positive (so, the red, yellow, and white wires all must be connected to the positive simultaneously for full speed). So, it would appear to me that if I only use the red wire, the pwn controller would not be able to achieve full speed). I would assume all of the Minn Kotas with the 3 spd reverse/5 spd fwd use the same switch, in which case you are not using your motor's full potential.
As with most DIY projects, CZcams tutorials are used as a guide to assist those interested in building similar projects. I encourage you to test your theory. I have built several trolling motors with 2 different types/brands of PWMs and each are connected in the same way using only the red+ and black- TM wires. They achieve maximum output with those configurations. The installation method was confirmed by each of the PWM manufacturers.
Yes, agree. although a different brand, I have a basspro inexpensive T30 prowler, and when you check continuity (with a multimeter) at high speed, all three positive wires are connected.
Awesome vid *Aksman*!
I will be buying the same PWM unit shown in the vid!
Do you have any kind of referral link or way you can get a little spiff off it?
Thanks Wes. No, I don't get any kick backs...my videos and information are free. I'm glad to help.
Hey Aksman, I talked to Melody today @ WTP. I was telling her how I saw their product in a video on youtube (yours), and she actually named your channel by name. Pretty cool, she said she was super appreciative for the referrals.
Wow. Quite a compliment. Thanks Wes.
where did you purchase the control box?
It comes as one unit. Go to WirelessTrollingPro.com for their units.
Will do, thanks for your response and the great advice. Just got my first kayak and its a large one, just what i needed to get started
I ordered mine last week!
Sooo bummed out to learn they take 4-6 weeks to ship.
Wow. I got mine in less than a week. They must be busy with orders.
@@Aksmaniyak How do you steer?
I have other videos that show how to use cable steering.
What is the website for your controller
I'm not sure if they are still doing business so you will need to check. Here is the link. www.wirelesstrollingpro.com/controllers.html
Where do you order the pwm from
The one in the video is a Wireless Trolling Pro. They have a website that you can order from.
Hi, is there a link where I can buy this pwm?
Here it is...www.wirelesstrollingpro.com
Thanks
Love it
That's awesome, where do I get one?
You can order them online from www.wirelesstrollingpro.com.
Aksman awesome. Thank you.
You are welcome Darren...good luck!
Where can I find this unit ?
wirelesstrollingpro.com
What did you do with the grey and yellow wire
There is no yellow wire with this controller. The gray wire goes to the control pot (speed control switch).
you only used the red and black wires coming out of trolling motor .What did you do with the white and yellow forward and reverse wires that wasn't used.
Yes, you only use the red and black TM wires. I just taped the ends of the yellow and white wires and tucked them back into the TM shaft. I show how to modify a TM in another of my videos if you need more help.
Thank you, that's what I thought just wanted to make sure.
Can you unplug the remote wire?
No, but you could modify it. I'm sure that would void the warranty though.
Where can I get the pwm...
This is the website: www.wirelesstrollingpro.com
White and blue are ya speeds dah
Nice video
Thanks.
How do you steer it?
I have many other videos with steering set ups.
@@Aksmaniyak outstanding. Thank you
what size battery are yuo using and how mush run time are you getting? what size is your kayak any info on steering on yak would be great about to start this project on a malibu x factor, as hurt my elbow and was very painful to paddle a few weeks ago when we had open water lol now its ice again thanks great vid....
Thanks! I use a Group 24 (75AH) with the PWM and can run all day (8hrs) with charge leftover. Of course, I don't run it at top speed all day. The kayak is about 14 feet in length. I have made quite a few videos for the X factor including foot steering and trolling motor modifications. Check them out and they may help you.
What made you go to the variable control vs the first box you made with the 5x3 speed controller?
The PWM extends battery life and has a smoother (and basically infinite) speed settings.
Hello. When I try to hook mine up just like this it kicks the trolling motor on for 1 second then stops. Then the controller does nothing. Any ideas?
If you are having problems like that make sure you have a circuit breaker installed while testing it so nothing gets damaged. Check your pos/neg connections. What size trolling motor and PWM controller size are you using?
Hello. I have a 50 lb minn Kota c2. 60 amp minnkota breaker.
Pwm for 55 lb motor.
How do you have it wired? Can you attach a pic?
Wired it just like you have yours. I have taken it all apart now so I can't get a pic. I guess I'm gonna have to send mine back
you mentioned that the yellow and white wire was the forward and reverse ...I see you didn't use them ...are you getting reverse from the PWM by just reversing the polarity ?
Yes, the PWM is a bi-directional model. You change from F/R using only the controller dial.
Aksman very cool I've been wanting to do this but was told I couldn't use reverse
I have used both Wireless Trolling Pro and Motion Dynamics PWMs and they both operate about the same way using only the dial for speed/direction. There are other brands that have a separate polarity switch for F/R.
Aksman thanks I'm gonna look into this ...right now I'm using an 18lb Sevylor on my Lure 11.5 ...I need to go a little bit faster
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Man that URL isn’t the address for a PWM at all.
The company went out of business a few years after this video was made. I updated the video narrative. Thanks for the info.
How is this wireless?
It's the name of the company. They also make a wireless version.
Does anyone know why my trolling motor has 5 wires? 12v older motor.
What brand and model?
@@Aksmaniyak it's a diehard 1.5 hp
@@BigInjun05 As long as you have the main red and black power wires going down into the shaft you can use a PWM.
@@Aksmaniyak that blue wire wouldn't be like a motor starter would it?
@@BigInjun05 If it is a standard 12v trolling motor then the only wires that are important are the red/black for a PWM. That is because you don't use the stock switch.
This company still running?
I'm not sure what is going on with WTP. The website has been down.
How much cost both ?
Both what?
The Controller and the power module . . . . also the trolling motor came with 5 speed and 3 for the reverse how many speed are in that box ?
The controller and power module come together. The PWM does not have "speeds" like regular trolling motors. The dial allows for infinite speed settings in the forward and reverse directions. It is a great set up. The controller company website is www.wirelesstrollingpro.com and it explains the different options and prices. A Minn Kota 30 lb thrust trolling motor is about $99.
Thanks for the information as always you are very helpful .
You're welcome. Good luck!
Have you noticed any significant increase in runtime like they claim? I understand their claim is very far fetched, but even half of what they claim would make it plenty worth it.
Actually, the run time is significantly greater because of the less amount of current drawn by the motor when using this PWM. Check out some of my "AMP Draw" videos to see the difference.
Awesome. I actually just ordered 2 of these after watching your video. One for me and one for my brother. But we ordered the wireless ones.
Thanks. Let me know how they work.
You understand wrong - their claim is not far fetched, BUT.... This controller (and other similar models) increases the runtime by 50-60% on low wattage, although on top speed there is no difference if it were simple 5-speed type.
I had a wireless. Never worked more than 10 minutes on the water. Sent it back 3 times all three times failed in the first ten minutes. They kept it up to 6 months one time and they said since the wireless was not working they would send me one out that was wireless but I could plug it in also. When I got it back it was strait wired. I had paid for wireless. Yep you guessed it, about 10 minutes on the water not ever hitting 100% power it Burnt up. This was the first time it had burnt up. Before it had gotten stuck on high in reverse when I was going forward at about 20% power. The other 2 times it just stopped working all together. Telling you my true story. If you want to buy one that is up to you. But don’t be like me and think it’s the best thing since sliced bread. Because it will malfunction on you. Thanks hopefully this helps someone to use their money more wisely.
You are not alone with your complaints. It seems within the last 2 years there was a quality control and customer service problem. They are currently out of business or just dormant. The unit I had and another that I installed still work to this day without any problems.
Aksman my unit was back from like 3-4 years ago. So they must had had some problems then also. They did return emails and called back from my emails at that time. And he would always send me the same board back each time. If it was my business when that problem one came in a new one would have been sent out and I would have found out what went wrong with that one. But the fastest they ever got me mine back was 2 months. I Bowfish off my yak so I run very very slow. You can see the prop turn. So wasn’t like I was even getting it hot. Just sucked. I was very disappointed to say the least. Thanks for you response back.
wait....I thought this was wireless
Not that model, but they do make wireless controllers. The name of the company is Wireless Trolling Pro.
LMAO my thought exactly.
I would like to install the PWM on a WaterSnake 24lbs motor. This motor has 3 wires ( czcams.com/video/QZcLLKIBYmI/video.html )
Do you think it will work the same connecting the red and black? Is the the 30amps PWM the one I need of bigger?
Thank you in advance for your reply and for your great video!
Hi Giuseppe, I am not familiar with the wiring in the WaterSnake. I would contact the company and ask them. If you can use a PWM with it, then a 30A unit would be fine.
Thank you Aksman, I will contact the company as you recommend. Have a nice day!
You are welcome Giuseppe. I would be very interested in the information from the company and photos when you finish your project.
Hello Aksman, I contacted the company and told me I can use the red and black, as you show in your video with the Minn Kota. I ordered the engine yesterday, and I will send you some pictures if I will go ahead with the project. Thanks again for sharing this with us!
Thanks Giuseppe. Now I have have learned something too. I look forward to seeing your pictures.
At what point did anything become wireless? Smh
Thats the name of the company.
lol, wires= wireless pfft
NOT wireless.
Watch the video.
This brand sucks burnt mine up after 5 min