DRAG RACE! Ferrari 488 Pista vs Ferrari F40! REAL WORLD w/ Tiff Needell
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2020
- Ferrari 488 Pista drag race is fairly normal these days on CZcams, but a Ferrari Pista vs a Ferrari F40 drag race has to be a first!
Of course you wouldn't normally race a brand new top of the range supercar against a 30 year old modern classic, but we wanted to see what 3 decades of engineering advancement looks like.
the Ferrari F40 was designed to celebrate Ferrari's 40th anniversary and was the last Ferrari ever to be personally approved by Enzo Ferrari himself and today we put it up against one of the fastest road cars on the planet, the Ferrari 488 Pista.
This one’s a Spider and does the 0-62 sprint in a mind blowing 2.85 seconds, has a top speed of 211 mph and a massive power to weight ratio of 520 horsepower per ton.
Both are race cars for the road, both have V8 twin-turbos, but surely…. there can only be 1 winner….
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Give your marks out of 10 for Tiff's launch below!
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Thank you!!
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Launch was 👌.... 1st to 2nd not so 🙈🤣
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Massive respect for the owner of the F40 for letting you guys launch his car.
Absolutely! Paul isn't so brave when he does it with a P1 :)
Probably had no idea that was going to happen. You won't find a harder F40 launch on CZcams..
@@joshuanoble2754 agreed. It's great to see but I cringed for the owner.
The smokeshow helps - tires are a cheap clutch.
Check our Ferrari collector David lee, he would let someone launch his f40 probably
Seeing that F40 light up its rear tyres really made my week.
Glad to hear it 🙂
Was one of the sexiest things in the car universe
@@addywachol3292 it still is
Best thing I’ve seen for a very long time 😍
30 year difference and a roughly 1.5 seconds slower in 1/4 mile. Just shows how animal the F40 was.
Yeah and people say that is overrated...
A couple of years later we have the model s plaid
Just equip the f40 with an automatic gearbox and the difference is even thinner, and by a lot.
@@Jay-xr3sb its unfair to compare a ICE car to a full electric actually.
@@missouriresole4726 What do you mean with ICE car?... excuse me, I'm italian...thx
In the time it took him to shift from 1st to 2nd, I made myself a sandwich, enrolled, went to and graduated college, made my bed, and watched the entire Fast n Furious film franchise.
It would have been a race but that 1-2 shift holy Christ 🤦♂️
but in all that time.... MIKEY.. you never grew a spine
@@thatoneguy6776
Aww... it's cute that you tried to be funny but the likes have it yet again. Thanks for playing though
Don't lie Michael , you didn't make your bed !
@@montedog100 Touche! Got me.
Be honest Tiff: You FORGOT you were in a manual, hence your delay in shifting to second! 😉
Good point!
He missed that shift to second big time!
Just curious .. were there many practice runs? I saw a video a while ago on the Top Gear celebrity lap times where they spoke of lots of practice, test laps, and that the actual laps they use for the show are the best of many! 😃
He was enjoying that launch too much
Definitely granny shifting
God that f40 still looks awesome
Agree!!
Sounds pretty special too!
Still better looking than pizza 🍕
It's timeless
@@johnnyboy1586 and than pudding,too.
That F40 had another second in it easy with that 1 - 2 shift. Very impressive launch.
I was sure it was going to be a rolling race so you can imagine my face when I saw the F40 being launched, magnificent 🤤😍
Glad you liked it!
Putting it in context, how much is a clutch job on an F40 ?!! 😃 (Thanks so much for this!)
@@steviesindahouse4903 once the wheels are spinning the clutch is doing nothing, so better for clutch life to use the tyres as a clutch
Looks like Tiff fluffed second, lost a ton of time there. But wow how Tiff got off the line.
Tiff doesn't fluff, it was the cars fault.
Probably the turbo lag aswell in second F40 was notorious for it that pista has zero turbo lag thanks to technology
Nope. The f40 has a dogleg pattern shift. Change from 1st to 2nd was notorious difficult to master. You have to train everyday
Tiff's reaction time when the flag dropped was spot on and the launch was perfect. You can clearly tell this man has been racing cars for a living 😊👍
He’s pretty good!
A legend! 😃
Until he ran out of first gear, then 2nd gear was a distraction 😂👍
And thonk about how bad was the 488 driver's launch..11.1s for a quarter of a mile with a Pista is far too much should be under 11
What are you talking about His shifting was terrible
Next: Porsche 959 vs Porsche Turbo S please :-)
That would be epic!
@@lovecarsTV I heard Porsche UK is quite nice. So let`s have a try.
@@lovecarsTV That's been done on some channel already... The 959 lost so badly. Isn't worth it, just hurts
Marc Nobel the Turbo has 200 hp on the 959.
The Carrera S would be a more interesting match...
We need to see rolling races!!
We have been concentrating on 1/4 mile sprints but perhaps this is something to look into in the future.
Definitely!
yep would like to see the duel and the turbos of that F40 kicking in
Definitely! 100-200 kph should be interesting
Definitely would be interesting to see, for that f40 to have a poor start of around 5.5 seconds to 60, yet still hit the standing quarter mile in under 13 seconds is pretty crazy. It must really take off when it isn’t spinning its wheels
Tiff struggling with the dogleg, what a magnificent sight! Would’ve loved to have seen more fireworks from the F40.
Was more of a nervous shift not to miss a gear, than struggle ;)
Lovecars totally, who wouldn’t be nervous shifting a million dollar classic supercar in anger. Props to you and the owner! Thank you for the great video!
@@lovecarsTV still, much respect, I wouldn't even dare to touch that gear lever 😬
@@lovecarsTV The impression I got was one of desperation not to crash gears. And honestly who could blame him. I had a ride in Nick Masons F40 when I was a much younger lad. 'F40 NPG' was the plate. What a machine.
If the gear box is hot it's not so bad
"Better to have led then lost, than to never led at all" ~Tiff
Haha! Love it!
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Actually looked toward the end that the F40 was catching up. Need to run from an 80 km/h roll.
Wow, worth watching just for that epic launch, well done to Tiff for giving it the full beans 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks so much Julian!
@@lovecarsTV Tiff is king💪........ Remember watching him on tv years ago when I was a kid. I'm now 43😉
How did the 488 driver manage to do a quarter mile in pista that slow? Absolute respect for the F40 owner and the driver launched it so good
Best motoring did 11.2 with F40 at 402m in 2000. Pista is at least 10.5 sec.
@@georgidimov9395 Best motoring are a joke. F40 is at least 12 sec.
@@APACA Agreed that was also not a stock F40. They had a Tubi exhaust and some race mods....
The second a guy in my F40 says “I haven’t driven stick in a while and I’m afraid I might shift into the wrong one” is the same second I immediately stop the race before it even starts. Respect the car.
One of the best manual launches I have seen 😍😍
thank you very much!
Wheelspin is not a good launch...
@@yourivankessel1825 because there are not launch control on this car
He probably meant to say one of the best looking launches. I definitely watched it a couple times
He was a pro driver that's why. Not like the guys on top gear.
Until the end of the first gear the F40 remains ahead !!!!!! Even with manual start and lots of wheel spin !! And in any case, even in the end the difference is not excessive! Incredible
NO ROLLING RACE?? Oh man I nearly fell off my chair when Tiff launched. Jeeeesus what a solid finish to my Friday. Thank you lovecars!
Haha thanks for watching!
yall should have pointed out the trap speed difference! 121.2 vs 117.6! That F40 was not far behind. Imagine what some practice and good clean shifts would look like. Not saying the F40 would have won but the 0-60 times vs the trap speed mph, makes it look like the F40 was gaining ground
The Pista didn't have a great launch either, it can get easily under the 11s mark
@@projectr2451 yeah the best you can get is 10.1s (based on DragTimes) but on other ytb channels like Carwow they usually get 10.5s with a good launch
Stumbled across your channel and subbed amazing content! I’m surprised this channel doesn’t have a million subs
Should have done at least one more run to nail the change into 2nd
And to nail the clutch probably
Probably due to it old car plus turbo lag on the F40 always occured from second gear
I would love to see rolling start races of all these cars just for the sake of entertainment, but great videos though
You and me both! The owner was so kind to let us do this. Would have been cheeky to do more :)
Based on the trap speeds at the end of the 1/4 mile, I wouldn't be surprised to see the F40 keep up.
Lovecars I respect that! We are just grateful for what we got! Thanks for organising this 😃
@@lovecarsTV Try to do a bit more, you've got Tiff, you've got great cars, you've got great camera people. Now go steal some views and ideas from carwow!
@@lambokiller9970 the pista usually traps 137-140mph! Somethings not right there!
Tiff you’re a legend for a reason! Glad my childhood grew up watching car reviews of yours. That launch was priceless! I have no words even to say! ❤️ from 🇱🇰
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The drag race I never knew I wanted, but my God this is exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you Lovecars for always being so impressive ❤️
Thank you for the very kind words Muhammad 🙏
Legend says the F40 is still spinning his wheels
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Great race guys! That F40 gear change (1->2) felt like a lifetime compared to the Pista.
Go on Tiff!! Proper quality content! I've rewinded that launch atleast 20 times 😅 I just wish you did rolling races aswell, sooooooooooooo much
Thanks George, we have it on repeat ourselves 😂
Original F40 QTR mile was 11.8 - pretty impressive!!
Would love to see a roll race with them just to experience the mid gear pull difference. Really great to see that launch!!!
Thanks for watching!
The F40 will always be the one and only Ferrari. Love it 🥰
Don't exaggerate. Yes, the F40 is undoubtedly great and legendary car but Ferrari has made much better and faster cars since then. I'm sure Enzo Ferrari would be much more impressed by that 488 Pista.
@@horsepower523 if ur not a car guy you dont understand why f40 is the greatest its not all about the best technology or the best performance its about the experience and the driving experience and the history and how ferraris made cars too “luxurious” and people wanted something raw something that is a race car on the street and they couldn’t have done it better. If you ask 100 car guys who actually can appreciate cars 90% would take the F40 over the enzo
@@gabuw6011 I am a car guy, but I rate innovation and technological advancement over nostalgia. The modern Ferraris are all better than the F40, that's a fact. The only thing the F40 is better at is the legend and mythical aura created by the fact that it was the last car approved by Enzo himself and it was the first car to break to 200mph barrier. But in terms of driving quality and speed the modern Ferraris are much better. The F40 was the best supercar during the 80s and early 90s but compared to today's Ferraris it's just a beautiful and great classic.
Nostalgia has its own value, no doubt, one of my personal favorite Ferraris is the F50 because it was the first Ferrari I fell in love with as a kid, but do I think it's better than 488 Pista? No, absolutely not because it simply isn't better.
Like Enzo Ferrari said: *"The best Ferrari ever built is the next one".*
By the way, if you want people to take you seriously then stop liking your own comments. That's really childish putting likes on your own comments lol.
@@horsepower523 exactly , even Enzo Ferrari whould chose the the 488 Pista over the F40 .
@D_A And how many times have you driven a Ferrari F40? Or any other Ferrari? You don't know anything. So be quiet.
Guys, kudos to you putting a drag race in a track as "real world"!!
We want more of that world for all of us!!
F 40,car of my childhood! Thank u for such a video! Respect from Montenegro! 🇲🇪
Absolutely mad that tiff is almost 70! Man looks 55 tops
He is in very good shape!
I was lucky enough to see this go down with my own eyes. Filmed at Dunkeswell Airfield.
Thanks again for coming and participating 🙂
@@lovecarsTV just out of interest why that location and not somewhere more often used like Bruntingthorpe?
It is close to our team and we like to support the guys there when we can.
Tiff is the man!!! He actually got the jump on the pista. The old skool F1 driver for you!
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Love your content Tiff, long time fan.
Cheers!
Thanks for watching and be sure to stick around for more. Latest feature with Tiff live tonight at 18:00!
The F40 is still my favourite Ferrari of all time!
Maybe a rolling start drag race would of been good as well Tiff? I dont think it would of made a difference in this case but maybe future videos?
Something to consider for sure!
The F40 is absolutely *AWESOME* !! And this launch control... THE Ferrari, THE dream car 😍😍
I've seen F40 in the road traffic once in my life... In Cheltenham on the roundabout near by GCHQ. I still remember this view as looking at the picture. Massive impression!
Looks amazing even now 😁👌
@@lovecarsTV I've seen it not so long time ago... It was in 2015. Coming back from France I've spotted Porsche Cayenne with the half egg shaped trailer awaiting ferry to UK. During waiting Porsche's driver stepped out of the car and opened the trailer side door and there was F40. Even at night I've recognized it from 30m distance seeing the back spoiler. After arriving UK I was coming back from work and being stopped at the first line on the traffic light on the roundabout I've noticed F40. It was stopped from opposite side in the first line...
I love seeing Tiff! He is just so enthusiastic about cars and I love him for it!
Now this is what I was talking about! Old vs new is always a good watch. And thank you to the owners! (if you can afford an f40 you can afford the clutch haha) brilliant. More of this....
Also.. That F40 Wasnt that far behind! Lol
Thanks for watching!
F40 is still my favorite.
It is superb 👌🏻👌🏻
Albanianator I think the F40 will be the favorite for many years to come. One of the most beautiful Ferraris ever built. Built by engineer Nicola Materazzi, an engineer from my city in Italy and my friend.
The F40 Is one of my Favorite Ferrari's
@@aris1956 sei italiano??
@@anselmeromano7577 Sì
Glad to see you still at it Tiff, would love to see a rolling race and maybe another run with a better 1-2 shift
New feature with Tiff tonight at 18:00!
Can I just say how great these guys are together!!!
The F40 is a mix of sheer terror and raw excitement...
Back then, had the fame of a 30 minute car. Because after that, you'd like a cool drink and a brief nap.
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3:21 me in a hard exam with a 1min left.
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Two dream car and two perfect man 👌🏻 Congratulations, keep it up ❤️
Thank you 🙌
Loved the video, keep up the good work
Thanks Scott, will do!!
Just brilliant! F40 for me though
Yes! F40 is my all time favorite Ferrari.
Very much enjoyed seeing the F40 in action, it did well. Would of loved to see a 3rd gear pull against the Pista.
Thank you!
The F40 has no chance, 3rd gear is super long it would take 3 seconds to get past boost threshold and boost lag.
Ferrari will always be the only car brand that can make my heart beat faster. Those red machines are just so beautiful and special. The Prancing Horse is the greatest legend in automotive history.
props to you guys and the cars
Tiff bogged a bit, spun then committed the cardinal sin. of letting off when he screwed up the 1-2 shift.
Otherwise the pista likely wouldn't have run him down until somewhere around 3rd gear. 🤔
What's amusing is how much bigger the f40 appears to be in comparison. Yet it weighs so much less.
Similar displacement twin turbo high revving motors. I'd like to see a pista or tributo against a stradale!
What are you talking about? The F40 weighs 16kg less. Hardly anything. And this is the Spyder with the folding roof mechanism etc.
f40 still got my heart.
A Ferrari fan then Salla 👌😁
Tiff you made my childhood. I grew up watching fifth gear and now this. The episode on fifth gear where you guys jump the VW beetle. Will never forget it!xD
New video with Tiff and Paul coming tonight at 18:00 🙂
3:21 - “Fifth Gear” - I see what you did there Tiff Nidel 😂
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How about laferrari aperta? Isn’t that the fastest and most powerfull open top ferrari?
Not in terms of power to weight 👍
Lovecars @ laf aperta has still better power to weight: 949hp to 1533kg. The weight for the pista(1384kg) is a dry weight, Kurbweight would be ~1500kg, so laferrari Aperta is better no doubt
How many of you have missed the whole point of why they used this and not the LaFerrari is shocking and they even say why in the video 😂🤪
@@matzepizzaheld8541 They used the 488 Pista in this video because it has a V8 turbo engine just like the F40. LaFerrari has naturally aspirated V12.
Tiff can really launch 💪💪💪
thank you Chris!
This is exactly what I'm talking about! Awesome videos with Tiff and great cars. Please ask Tiff to drive and slide more
Check out our M2 CS feature 😉
Not for a half hour delay getting in to 2nd it would of been much quicker, but what a car and Tiff is a legend 🤘
You should have redone it. I’m sure you would have had a better time
Why not a role race ☹️
Wasn’t possible this time.
I'm amazed the F40 owner didn't insist on a rolling race to be honest. It hurt to watch that clutch dump 😂
What is a role race?
@@markfox1545 a drag race from a rolling start. Say 10 - 20 mph for instance. When you then put the power down, it's much easier on the engine, clutch and gearbox.
@@lovecarsTV what? Why?
This was really insane! Salute to the Legend
What a start from Tiff.. explosive off the line
Kinda fluffed that dogleg change eh tiff
The loser was the winner.
Brilliant summary, thank you!!
Just came across this vid.
Just subbed to this channel 👍
Thank you!
Tiff is a legend so glad to still see him having fun and hosting videos for us
Lots more to come too!
Tiff always seems so down to earth and real. Best car show presenter ever.
Absolute quality Paul and Tiff
Thank you for the kind words Carl.
PS, that wasn't Paul driving the Pista :)
Brilliant video ❤️❤️
It would be so easy for Tiff to be jaded, with his skill and experience level. Yet he radiates joy and enthusiasm behind the wheel, champion!
Closer than I thought it would be tbh.
It was a great launch from the F40!
Only ever seen one f40 in the flesh in the 90s when I was at Uni in London, parked up in South Kensington. Even then it looked so impressive I had to touch it, beauty!
Nice! Amazing people leave them on the streets of London!
@@lovecarsTV true more money than sense, only kidding, have to have something to show for all that hard work. Our campus was off the King's Road, crazy motors parked up and a few famous faces/royalty spotted 😁
I love this concept! Amazing to see the F40 being driven like that!
Thank you!
Didnt expect tiff ta launch a f40 like that, but i like it! :o
Haha, we liked it too 😂
I would have loved to have seen a rolling race as well! I think it would have been a bit closer!
Amazing skills from Tiff as expected from the sierra cossie touring car LEGEND
👌🏻👌🏻
Love this Channel.
Thank you very much!
Your videos and reviews are just getting better and better.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT....racing 2 LEGENDS with the same mentality.
Also getting a properly maintained F40 (which the owner allows to race).................you guys have some great credentials.
Thank you for the kind words!!
Christ that launch! Bloody hero Tiff!
Thank you very much!!
That lfa sound in the intro tho🔥🔥
Few races with it coming soon!
Good to see a proper start off the line. I learned that on a Knockhill driver experience day from BTCC driver Anthony Reid. Used it a few times, it's effective. Lost half a second with the gear change, but the result would have only been closer not reversed. So cool to see the F40 taking off!
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Insane launch from Tiff 😳, how many people can beat a launch against that kind of transmission in that pista!!! Shocking 👌🏿👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Ah that F40... It still has it that old dog, and still looks as beautiful as i remember it in the 80s
It's aged so well 😁👌
@@lovecarsTV it has buddy, and it still to this day look better than anything out there, It's an absolute timeless classic of a car and i love it 👍
Great to see someone push an F40 like this nowadays! Great video!
Thank you!
AH wish there was a second run once he was used to it a bit more haha that launch with the smashed gears would have been amazing
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Great comparison, though would have liked to see more races with different drivers
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This is awesome!!
Thanks!
Fantastic! Thank you. This is why you watch CZcams!
That start with the F40 was beautiful. That sound. THat soul...
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What a badass launch!!!
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Just look at how much better the F40 looks sitting at the line. And the smile on Tiff’s face the whole time, moving or not, says it all.
So true!
Was this video recorded a while ago?
I thought 812 GTS is the most powerful open top Ferrari at the moment?
The F40 should be proud of that, it had a bloody good go and just over one second in it.
The driver of the F40 definitely got the most out of it 👌😁
Pra ser justo o comparativo tinha que ser a F40 LM! Parabéns belas máquinas!