Atheism: An Irrational Worldview? Pt 3 || Hamza & Julian
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I used to ask similiar questions like Julian before Allah guided me,and i was honest whit my questions even i didnt agree whit answers or didnt understood them..1 year later Allah showed me the path elhamudlilah..I hope HE will guide Julian to..He seems honest and truth seeking guy.
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Masha Allah brother welcome to the truth.
I sincerely wish that to every good genuine humble person out there.
Why does Hamza say his name is Darren? Not just in this video but in others too...
no need to change name in islam...darren is a good name...
MASHAALLAH brother welcome to islam 😊
Same hope here
I have chosen Islam because it is very logical.
Who is Omar?
Masha Allah! Loving the Fresh Content. Keep it Coming Brother Hamza!
xiayo levis
Right on!
"No Atheist on this planet could answer this questions."
They haven't and they won't either.
How and when did nature decide to create a sexual organ for both procreation and pleasure, when did it start to think to give us taste buds? In order to experience the tastes of different foods?
Why would nature bother to give us pleasures? If evolution as they claim is true, (I mean Darwinian evolution) why create sexual organs why not simply continue in the same process over and over and over again?
TheBlue
Not everything can be explained scientifically, you must first accept this fact, then you can answer when specifically asked about a scientific explanation, you need to realise that science is NOT, read my lips is NOT the answer for everything, and for human traits.
Science can only answer what it can see.
I asked you for the origin of reason
The origin of information
TheBlue Same goes for your brain ROFL.
Can't see it. Not even any evidence for it.
Lol....
Yeah. It goes deep, all the way to your ego driven mindlessness...
Why does Hamza say his name is Darren? Not just in this video but in others too...
salam brothers, I've been a muslim for two years now since I left orthodoxy, thanks God for this.
I don't usually talk about it and I'm very happy with it. but see, I'm commenting here now to ask you something: there's this awful christian missionary named David Woods who speak lies against islam (I know they're lies and misinterpretations because I've looked at people rebutting him on websites) but I'd like to know if one of you knows a youtuber that make videos answering to his lies? because he's praised by his sheeps who thinks he's right.
Валентин Адамович WA alaikum salaam akhi here a brother aqil who called out damage wood the cross dresser for a public debate and he also been refuting damage wood check out his channels
Abu Muhamed Alee Al Ansari Thanks a lot bro, barak'Allahu fik, "damage wood" (haha) is truly an ugly person, he's doing satan's work.
People misunderstands Quran because they read translation not explanation. Translation should be banned because it claims that a word in English matches the Quranic Arabic word; that is not possible. You simply need many words if not sentences to explain the meanings of the Quranic word.... Arabic has 12.5 million words , English has half a million so obviously there is mismatch if you want to translate an ordinary Arabic text ; how about if the genius mind of the creator was the author of a book called Quran surely you need to do the right thing which is Learn Arabic and see what the fuss is all about....
Salam 239 Salaam br, I understand where you are coming from and that you are correct in that a translation can never match precisely the true words of the Glorious Qur'an.
However banning translation is where I may disagree. As a practising mu'SLIM , I do not yet know the original Arabic in which the Holy Qur'an was revealed but still want to know what my LORD is saying so I may do my best to follow the Guidance as laid in Qur'an and Sunnah.
If there are misunderstandings of the Qur'an because of western education, which is to simply read any book and interpret it in their own subjective ways then conversely there are those that have accepted Islam by the translation alone and that itself has benefit.
What I suggest is that translations should have a synopsis introduction which should make clear in bold type that this is a translation to the nearest meanings of the Qur'an.
I also believe we now have the technology to endeavour a completed Qur'an online that has side by side exegesis of the Holy Qur'an as well as including Lisan Arab on top of every Arabic words in the Holy Qur'an. Envisage when person gets a translation of the Qur'an he/she is able to scan a code using the smart phone he/she will be able to download a completely searchable Qur'an with full meanings if the Arabic root words attached.
in my opinion its simply not good enough to ban things , If the rich oil barrens are not doing the job it falls down to humble slaves to do so. Allah (swt) chooses those who have the correct intention.
animimeclips
Salaam Br,
I think I need to expand more on my previous comment. Instead the books tackling this subject should be titled Quran Explained...... something akin to What you have explained. It is simply painful to see the words of Allah translated to inflexible words. Example:
Surah Alaq: he created man from a clot of blood...... seriously!!....Alaq has many mutiple meanings ...what should have been said Was :Created man from (علق)which means this and that and this and that ...
Another example: Sura Al Shams : Ayah 3 ( والنهار إذا جلىها): by the Day when it shows clearly the Sun).. but I am sorry when you read and understand the true meaning of the Ayah you will come across a mind boggling scientific fact .. the day does not show the sun .. in fact the Sun causes the day light... how can you square the true meaning of the Ayah with the apparent misleading translation ... see what arabic word Alnahar means: 1. Day 2. Day light. 3. The state of agility ( the root is NAHARA which means causes something to change course or state from stagnation towards active agile movement) hence .. the river is called NAHR as its water keeps bouncing against its edges and hence shaped accordingly.. now go back to the Ayah you will understand why Alnahar causes or clarifies the sun ; is because Alnahaar means the constant state of changing course which apply that to the earth atmosphere you will find that the sun rays carrying the photons in straight lines will refract against the earth atmosphere particles ie refraction which is what actually shows the brightness of the sun effect during day time... compare that with the day on the moon when the sky of the moon is dark even if the sun is up in its sky. Effectively quran is telling us that it is the state of refraction ( Alnahar) is what shows the true impact of the sun when it is up in the earths sky.... there you go the Alnahar brightens up the Sun.... See The translation will mislead ROB the aethiet in this video into thinking that Quran made an error when in fact it explains a scientific fact .... look , Allah SWT created the human genome ( humans recently found out the full code of it, it takes 130 books ( more than a thousand page each) detailing the building blocks of the 20000 genes in very small print) ... the Author of the human genome is the same author of the book of Quran ... he chose Arabic language as a robust language to accomodate his intentions and meanings ( like a heavy net to be trusted to withstand the heavy words of Allah ( full of various but consistent non contradictory meanings))..... another major point: Quran in its special writing carry secrets that are yet to be discovered ... tale for example Hisab Al Jummal : you will find that Quran is full of Hisab Al Jummal based mathematical facts and marvels yet to be discovered: for example Surah 111 ( Al Masad : has 23 words ( 81 letters ) replace the 1st , 3rd, 5th, 7th till the 81st letters ( ie the odd letters only) with its mathematical equivalent according to Hisab al Jummal..you will get 3049 . Now move the odd words ( ie the 1st, 3rd, 5th till the 23rd word ) and calculate its mathematical equivalent according to the system mentioned and add the values also you get 3049...this is mind boggling the odd letters of this small chapter are equal( when added ) to the odd words (when added )..... so you see you lose all of that when think that translation is enough..... say Tafseer translation rather than Quran translation... that will probably be more just to the quran...... one other thing what's with the old English usage when translating Quran.. it makes me shiver I tell you!!!!
This discussion ends the career of Rob as an Atheist. Now he has to accept the truth without further loss of time. Well done bro Suboor and bro Hamza Jazakallahu Khairan.
Just curious, have you met Rob personally after the discussion to bring such conclusion? I saw the same video, but that did not made me become a Muslim my friend...
@@danielberger7763 its upto you,cause Allah gave you freewill ,a choise,search for the truth, May Allah help you with that
this is educational to delve into this atheistic mind.
jazakallah khairan..
All an atheist mind needs to become a theist mind is for there to be evidence of a god: real, genuine evidence. The structure of a bird's wing is not real, genuine evidence. The vastness of the universe likewise is not good, genuine evidence. It has to be actual evidence. Generally speaking atheists believe in all kinds things no one has actually seen or heard but yet there is good evidence. Ultraviolet light and the movement of the earth's plates are examples of things not heard, and not visible but yet believed by most atheist. The belief in these things is based on good evidence. If good, valid evidence for a god is achieved, which to this point in human history it has not been, then the next question would have to do with the characteristics of the god: his likes, dislikes, etc.
Jim's Stuff
The problem is there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for his existence, but my question is what kind of evidence are they looking for?
+Davon Bertoli Let's say that there is this claim that there exists a panel of three gods, each with his own tasks to do: one designs, one builds, and one maintains the various creations. What evidence would you need that there exists three gods and each has one of these specific tasks? What would you need to convince you? It is kind of like that for an atheist when he hears talk of a god who supposedly does great stuff. The atheist asks; okay, what evidence you got that this notion is true?
Jim's Stuff
First to establish that there is design, and to establish how come there are never any conflicting choices, ideas and wills among the three gods. And then I will look at around and use the available evidence, second I will take claim made by the "messengers" who came to convey the message and take it from there, I will analyse their claims against what is available to us as "evidence"
Now, you haven't answered my question, you answered it by another question, which is really a fallacious arguments, and it's a way to dodge the question, you keep saying there is NO evidence when asked what is the evidence you require you don't even know what would satisfy you, which indicates that you have no interest, funnily enough the Quran does mention these people, Allah has already warned us about these people.
Which indicates is that you made up your mind to be an atheist for other reasons, that have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with lack of evidence.
Rejecting God for reasons other than lack of evidence, at least be honest about it. And another thing, why are you people hounding the believers then? Since you are absolutely certain, then just get on with your lives and leave others in peace, why can't you just keep away from God and the believers? LOL
seeing evidence but believing is ANIMAL, human is far beyond that. but if you're content being animal it's fine.
Why seeing is believing is animal? do you wonder.
I am Arabic and I can assure you that the Qur'an never described the earth as a carpet.
the word that I think they speaking about is: مهاد which doesn't mean a carpet in this context at all. it means simply a smooth place that you can live in.
Jazak Allah thanks for the info.
Well, since Qur'an itself is not a regular book and need a clear mind to think and reflect. People who thought it was regular book will think that is a literal carpet. lol
i think they are referring to إدا الأرض سطحت
Bro i think carpet mean Titanic plat uper erth lava core
الذي جعل لكم الأرض فراشا والسماء بناء وأنزل من السماء ماء فأخرج به من الثمرات
رزقا لكم
en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B4
The word (firash)فِراش
Has many meanings
Like bed, cover, cushion, blanket etc..
If the word is (farrash) فرّاس
Has the meaning carpet
They all convey they same point
Soft easy to walk on.
(The gravity not being to strong that we hurt our feet or too weak that we can’t grip the ground properly when we walk)
You can call it gravity or you can call it firash or carpet, cushion, or bed والله اعلم
Btw In the time of the Prophet peace and blessings be upon Him they didn’t have beds like in our times in fact the Practice of the Prophet peace be upon Him was to sleep on the floor in very congested room
In the Hadith it mentions that when he would pray in the middle of the night Aishah R.A May Allaahh be pleased with Her would be sleeping and the Prophet Of Allaahh peace and blessings be upon Him would give her a touch and she would pull her Legs so that Prophet peace and blessings be upon Him could prostate on the floor.
(This only makes sense if they slept on the floor with some blanket not too thick in fact very light. (More like carpet rather then bed of our times)
There is another narration that mentions that The Prophet peace and blessings be upon him told one of the mothers of the believers (if not mistaken Hafsa R.A) to make keep the blanket doubly folded when she made it 4 folds for the comfort of The Beloved Prophet peace and blessings be Upon Him and he said OH HAfSA return it to it’s original thickness
The softness of the blanket has stopped me from Night prayer.(meaning more or less of the narration)
My understanding could be wrong.
It’s best to check what the scholars or mufassirun have said what the word could mean.
I only cited Wikipedia for the Arabic linguistic aspect of it.
Bottom line is heaven has to be earned and this life is the test for it. The life of this world is a great gift from God and even if you worship God perfectly in this world, it would never be payment enough for this gift. By worshipping God you prove your appreciation of the gift that has been bestowed upon you and hence earn the ultimate reward. Consider that access to heaven would be an even greater gift from God, even if you have perfectly worshiped God in your life time. God doesn't owe us anything, and the reality is that we need to be grateful.
I wise man once said heaven can never be earned. Even if you worship a thousand years you cannot repay the gift of something as simple as your eye sight. Heaven can only be earned through God's mercy and this world is a means to earn it.
..what kind of God is it that demands worship, and if you don't worship, will send you to Hell, to be tortured for all Eternity? such a God would be no better than a Satan..
touch wood, touch the Black Stone.. and God will be pleased with you, bless you even! heaven is earned by being superstitous, performing all the rituals of the pagan Arabs during the Time Of Ignorance? is this the test?
what superstitous nonsense!
Hamzah just should use the worker analogy who work for a company but never do the rules and he accept to get a payment.
Mashallah brother Hamza explained so beautifully, my questions were just like Julian and I am so happy I came across this video, I had doubts regarding these topics and made duas so i could get an answer and Allah answered it by me able to find this video, Alhamdulillah I am now more closer to Allah than ever May Allah give all of the people doing dawah lots of blessings and peace, Ameen
Thank Allah for EF DAWAH.A channel which encompasses the whole debate not parts here n there with no conclusion.
When Brother Hamza gave Dawah to Justin Trudeau at Speakers corner :O :O
rifardh23 who is he?
@Ahmad Atiq Canadian Prime Minister just google him Lol
Aahahahahaha LMAO
lol yeah the young guy looks similar to Trudeau
rifardh23 LOL... You are under rated my friend.... 😉
Dammit Hamza you need to upload these before scdawah and his teases 😭😭 I've been waiting for 5 days akhi why make me wait! Love from Canada!
i want brother Hamza to get Tommy Robinson at the Park and verbally batter him so bad that the fascist never leaves his house again.
I've watched all Brother Hamza Myatt video. I'm always waiting for his new debate/video
Mashaallah Hamza is so good in debate. I like his way of thinking and reflecting on questions. May Allah rewards us Jannah.
Rob your Speakers Corner pass has been revoked by Br.Suboor. #RipRob
D M khan
Remember Rob is nothing compared to the hatred some of the Prophet's companions had for Islam and Muhammad (peace be upon him)
In recent years the haters of Islam such as Arnoud Van Doorn, Werner Klawun and many others, who despised Islam and Muslims now became ambassadors for Islam are now fighting the misconceptions and promoting it to the best of their abilities.
HereToSatisfyYou
No brother we must not mock people, because he could turn out to be a better Muslim than you and I ever been.
I am sure you didn't meaning it in a nasty way but it can be misinterpreted that way. To be honest of all the haters of Islam Rob has always been respectful, I have never seen him using foul language or mocking Islam etc.. he always was a role model for the "atheists" he listens, he doesn't interrupt like the others do, he doesn't talk over people. We must always be fair as Muslims.
Jazzak Allah.
Rob is a very very nice guy - but he doesn't realise his own biases - he surrounds himself with Atheists - or very angry angry ex Muslims to get his information.
I've told him numerous times to just walk into a mosque and learn. If he has no foundations, how can he build a house?
He hosts this show called Jinn & Tonic. Muslims are invited to go in and engage which is great. I tuned into a few as Rob can testify. What I couldn't stand was the guest that was invited. He was so angry and started to attack a muslim viewer because he simply didn't have a beard.
I don't know him (Rob) personally but from what I gathered he looked like a very decent and genuine person, of course he has his biases but don't we all?, You see most people need a lot of courage to admit that they are wrong or even having a second thought on a particular issue, very few would have that courage and admit they might be wrong, many suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect, others from a cognitive dissonance, we all sometimes find it hard to break free from our innermost cognitive biases, many claim to be objective they don't even realise the depth of their subjectivity.
Michael Harts Book. (Not a Muslim)
The Ranking of the most influential persons in history
1 Muhammad 570-632 Secular and religious leader Prophet; Founder of Islam.
http :// islamicbulletin. org/free_downloads/new_muslim/100_most_influential.pdf
I laugh when I see some people talk about secularism as if it's new and modern concept, bull, Prophet Muhammad was successful in many areas, secularism was one of them.
Damn that ending, May Allah guide Rob and the other atheist to the straight path.
The problem with Rob is he is acting as if he's being clever but in reality he's not, and what annoys me the most is that he says it with complete confidence as if he's sure he's right.
OK, I must say it is SO REFRESHING listening to Hamza's arguments at the near end of this video, though he still unable to clarify precisely at the beginning of the argument about the GOD and reason to worship GOD to that young guy.
Whatever it is, you're still a Legend speaker at Hyde Park. God bless!
From my understanding after watching all the parts till the end. Rob and Julian have asked pretty straight forward questions, but they were not expecting the answers to be so good. Hamza did a great job. I hope if Rob and Julian are really honest to themselves one day they will be very good muslims. They question and get answered.
i think julian should watch dr jeffrey lang lecture about the Quran from an Atheist perspective
he said God doesn't need peoples prayer but he love the sincere intention in it
the Qur'an describes the earth as being egg shaped like an ostrich egg so when referring to it being flat it's not the shape of the earth
Why does an Antheist care about going to hell , When they don't believe in Hell
+Fardeen K
We don't.
We do however care about indoctrinating others [especially children] into believing what is arguably one of the sickest parts of religious beliefs.
"We do however care about indoctrinating others [especially children] into believing what is arguably one of the sickest parts of religious beliefs."
Coming from people who are always trying to indoctrinate people who don't think like them it's the pot calling the kettle black !....
+Furax was here
Atheists don't try to indoctrinate people? they just try to wake people up to reality? :)
+john hammond
"Atheists don't try to indoctrinate people? they just try to wake people up to reality? :)"
Problem for you is that your reality is absolutely not the real reality so just keep dreaming and try to indoctrinate someone else :-)
+Farex was here.
Thank you for your well thought out and logical rebuttal to my point sir. I am impressed.......but 'not a lot' :)
From part 1 - 3. Pls give a round of applause to the audience. Well behaved and listening with eargerness to learn.
Masha Allah! Br Hamza, May Allah grant you so much knowledge that whomsoever you speak with shall find the right guidance and becomes a Muslim and follow our Prophet Mohammed SAW.
Julian is a nice man..may Allah giued him. ameen.
Barak Allahu feek brother Hamza
I found that atheist problem with worship concept , they think that the worship is a goal but actually it is a way by which remind us the presence of God and to assist ourselves in front of ourselves which reflect on the manner of people reaction to each other’s .
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TRUTH, ISLAM YOU ARE NOT GOING TO THE HELL FIRE, BECAUSE ALLAH KNOWS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW AND YOU WERE NOT BELIEVING IN HIM UNKNOWINGLY BUT THE MOMENT YOU HEAR ABOUT ISLAM AND YOU DON'T CHALLENGE IT OR STUDY ABOUT IT AT THE RIGHT MOMENT YOU BECOME ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE TO LEARN ABOUT IT, NOT SAYING THINGS AGAINST ISLAM BLINDLY ....
Awesome discussion altogether
"Science can not prove or disprove god"....that simply makes "god exists" a poor hypothesis. Islam does not prove that god exists, it simply asserts it.
Also, to suggest that it benefits us to worship god because we then benefit from his guidance is poor reasoning. If he did exists he could give us guidance without the ridiculous need to grovel to him.
Bro Hamzah might get one of the answer not in a complete sense when he was asked why God created us? He should have said Jin and Human are created to worship the one true creator. Also ask this Julian guy to read the Quran by himself. If he still have issue he can go back and ask. Simpl,e rather than going around and around. This Julian is the type to be only convinced by his own mind. So its better of for him to the that challenge by his own. By simply testing the Quran its quite Simple.
IF ROB OR PEOPLE LIKE HIM WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH AND ACCEPT IT, IT IS TIME TO ACCEPT CAUSE NO ONE KNOW WHEN HE DIES OR WE DIE.... TURN TO ALMIGHTY ALLAH BEFORE YOU RETURN TO ALLAH, THE CREATOR OF YOU,THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH....
stop spamming
Once again if you don't have anything to say, why loosing your time over here ? Stop spamming !
As a muslim i truly think hamza couldve given a way better answer to why we learn from scholars too.. we don't follow the scholars. We still read their understanding and independantly try to think if that actually makes sense according to Quraan and Hadith. It is not like whatever this scholar says we follow, no it is not like that.
Also we don't trust our scholars blindly, we still look for evidence to what they preach.
And the answer to why we take scholars word for it is because we see what they have incorporated into their evidence to claim their interpretation of the verse is true.
So, for example, has he read the verse? Has he a full understanding of the arabic language and rulings? Has he read all the hadith regarding that specifc verse? Has he read all the revelation reasons of that specifc verse? And when it was revealed? Okay now let me see how he understood the verse. Now we do all that in addition to Personally also reading all of these elements that are mandatory to have a healthy understanding of the verse true meaning.
The Quraan teaches you the basics and everything you need is there. But the details aren't all there. It doesn't tell you how to pray exactly, you need hadith for that.
So that's why the Quraan teaches you what you need to do. But doesn't necessarily explain how to do these things always. Sometimes you need the help of Hadith.
Also regarding flat earth, this is a very controversial topic. Some scholars believe earth is actually describes as flat and some believe it is described as point of view flatness only to show the miracle of how a globe earth is still flat to be walked on. I as a muslim leave this topic because i myself not sure. But sometimes a belief so strong is what makes a muslim different from a non believer.
I personally don't think brother Hamza didn't do a good job at responding to many of the questions.
The question about whether or not reading the Quran is sufficient to understand Islam:
Yes, it is sufficient to understand Islam. However, if you want to extract jurisprudence from it, you need deep knowledge of Islam and the meaning behind the verses with examples from how the prophet and his companions applied it.
You don't need to be a Muslim to be a scholar. A non Muslims can dedicate years of their life studying the Quran and the historical context of it's application and come up with their own conclusions.
Regarding how the Quran is different:
I believe this question is coming from the point of how Islam is true and not other religions. To this point, we need to work backwards. First of all, we should reach the conclusion that a creator most likely exists. Once we reach that conclusion, we can listen and judge those who claim to be messengers from him - like Muhammad for example.
Muhammad, an illiterate man living in the deserts of Arabia comes with a message; _"O people, know that your god is one and I am his messenger. Obey God, and it is either eternal bliss (heaven) or eternal torture (hell)"_.
How can we tell that Muhammad's claim is actually true? Every messenger must have some proof that they're actually from God. Muhammad's sign is the Quran itself.
The Quran makes multiple falsifiable claims and makes multiple arguments for it's truth. Reading the Quran yourself is the best way to determine for sure. Here, I will give one example.
The Quran says:
> The Byzantines have been defeated {2} in the lowest land. They will reverse their defeat with a victory {3} Within three to nine years. To Allah belongs the command before and after. And that day the believers will rejoice {4}
[Quran 30:2-4]
These few verses were revealed at a time when the Roman / Byzantine empire was losing a lot of its land to the Persian empire (last battle was near the dead sea - hence the lowest land). It was akin to the Soviet Union at the time of it's collapse. At that time, these verses were released to say not only will they be victorious after their loss, but it also sets a time limit of a few years. If this was from Muhammad, this would've been such a risky bet to make.
A few of the generals of the non Muslims did not see how this is likely, so they decided to convert to Islam if this prediction proves to be true. These generals were Khaled ibn Al-Waleed and Amr ibn Al-Aas. Surely enough it was true.
This is only 1 example, and o course, I'd into believe it's sufficient, but if you read the Quran, will find many like it.
Good discussion. Good job Hamza and Subbor
That is one of best explanations by a Muslim (a convert Hamza in this case) I have seen for a reason for why Muslims do not eat pig. His answer was 'we do not know, we are just following guidance'. This is at least honest answer. Answers about pigs been unclean and not safe (has to do with environment animal / food animal has) are completely not true and go against every leading health organisation. The only link was with 'processed meats' by World Health Organisation and that follows processed for both pork as well as other meats beef, lamb, chicken etc etc. Fact is, there is no rational reason not to eat Pork (as preference for taste if the animal is raised healthy) other than in this case if you are a Muslim and just following some scripture. Respectful answer.
tom tom
but pigs are "omnivores"
So are Chickens. What is your point?
tom tom There's another reason to it - you can't kill a pig by Halal means.
It's physically impossible.
Maybe it's because of the pigs fat levels!
Truth Seeker No. Like all animals depends on the cut of the meat depending where taken from the animal. Pork steaks can be incredibly low % fat with high protein.
Humza, I love watching your videos!! I always learn something new. Is there a place I can go for more knowledge about the credit card and mortgage "interest topic" that you touched upon? Like in this modern day, it's a interest is a huge thing and pretty muchused for everything. Are there guidelines for it OR something ? Any bit of information would help. Thank you. May Allah bless you!
This is the best arguement of Darren so far , very rational and logical .
The answer to Julian's question on why God wants people to worship him.
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعۡبُدُواْ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَكُمۡ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبۡلِكُمۡ لَعَلَّكُمۡ تَتَّقُونَ
(Mohammed Marmaduke William Pickthall)
O mankind! worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil).
-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 21
When earth is described in the sky among other stars, it is described as spherical in Quran--Astronomy
When eart is described for making roads and paths, it is described as spread out like a carpet-- Engineering.
So, bear in mind that technichal words and the purpose of earth is different in astronomy vs engineering. That is why Quran has used different technichal words for earth: 'spherical or ball shaped' for astronomy and 'spread out" for engineering.
Look at the context of the surah's which talk about earth. Dont mix teaching of astronomy with engineering.
I could simplify this whole 3 part discussion into a few lines.
Unless you have an objective moral anchor i.e a Truth with a a capital T. What ever “truth” you chose is the “truth.
So therefore you can do whatever you want. If you want to be good you can be good if you want to be bad you can be bad. Because there is no Objective consequences for you after your demise
Two very very important points that need to be addressed one is about the verses and the other is inheritance :
1- the scholars that give their opinions on a verse have to provide a sound accepted evidence on their opinion which follows very strict rules of proof and logic and assessing the authenticity of their evidence such as the prophet's commentary on those verses peace be upon him.
2- in inheritance there are two important factors in inheritance and they are relation to the deceased as in how close it is and level of generation so a younger generation would receive more inheritance than an older one for example finally and most importantly about women within these parameters of relations in thirty instances a woman would inherit exactly like a man or more than a man or she would inherit and a man wouldn't and in only four she gets less but in those four the man is required to be her provider and can't be full while she is hungry or warm while she is cold.
37:00 - Rob suddenly got second wind, after being absent for an hour.
Alkoran:
Sourat: Ar-Rad
chapter:13 verse:11
For each (such person) there are (angels) in succession, before and behind him: They guard him by command of Allah. Allah does not change a people's lot unless they change what is in their hearts. But when (once) Allah willeth a people's punishment, there can be no turning it back, nor will they find, besides Him, any to protect.
لَهُ مُعَقِّبَاتٌ مِّن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ يَحْفَظُونَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُغَيِّرُ مَا بِقَوْمٍ حَتَّىٰ يُغَيِّرُوا مَا بِأَنفُسِهِمْ وَإِذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ بِقَوْمٍ سُوءًا فَلَا مَرَدَّ لَهُ وَمَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَالٍ
LONG LIVE BROTHER HAMZA!
I hate the that falsehood "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" .. completely false and annoying.
+moestietabarnak, what do you mean?
Absence of evidence when they are expected IS evidence of absence.
I you say there was a gunfight and killing in the street in front of your house, and the police come with CSI and don't find a body, don't find any gun, any powder residue, any blood, any shell-case, AND any other witness, despite the fact that there IS witness that were in the area at the time you claim it happen and they didn't see anything... then that pretty good evidence of absence of an actual crime.
Just like claiming the global flood kill all human when ALL other culture have historical writing during the alleged period without ever noticing anything 'global' beside local, usual river overflow. and all geological facts contradict it, you pretty much can bet that it did NOT happen
Not true. A crime could have been committed but there's just no evidence.
The man was completely positively shocked when Hamza told him that we Muslims dont know if anyone of us will go to heaven or hell based on our deeds or beliefs.
actually today is the Funeral for Rob by Brother Subboor... LONG LIVE BROTHER SUBBOOR, BROTHER HAMZA!
Ramadan Mubarak for all Muslims and as it is known to be the month of peace, forgiveness, a month of reflection, a month of love, it is true we shouldn't bite into provocative comments, and all the other attacks, I believe we need to educate those are ignorant, and ignore those with an agenda.
Peace for everybody.
I can't find the Hadith about don't leave a mark, don't hit face, don't cause pain - please help? Salaam.
you should tell the guy at the end that the verses which are clear are more than enough to show guidance. the few verses open to interpretation will require more study but those will not be a barrier to the true guidance
well said hamza, a great understanding & very interesting subject to explain.
The Atheist guy looks sincere.. May Allah guide him
Allah SWT want us always connecting Him, so we can always get the benefit that Allah know best benefit
Salam. I think Hamzah does not quite manage to explain things with content, from an atheist perspective. However, I am Muslim Alhamdullilah and I know what Hamzah is talking about.
Julian seems like a lovely guy. Would love to meet and discuss with him. Smart, honest, well mannered, open minded and not judgemental.
It's not the hell that is great punishment, it's you lived in this world and you didn't get the Eman and the love of Allah Almighty
Brother and sisters when people say why do we go hell then try to answer it in the real world like if you don't obey the law of land where do you go jail may Allah guides All
Br. Hamza did not mention that the word beating in arabic is daraba just as it is told daraba to dust/ ground for tayamum. U don't box and beat up the ground for dry ablution rather u pat it lightly.
Julian seems sincere. We should make dua for him.
Want to know who I hope to debate with brother Hamza? Neil Degrasse Tyson. The astrophysicist. His famous quote about religion is "I'm ready, I just want evidence". Or something similar.
It's simple:
Even the Muslim scholar is actually debated and he has to give his reasons.
For example, Ibn Kathir which is a commentary of the Quran.
If ibn Kathir says, the verse means this, "HE HAS TO PROVIDE HIS EVIDENCE!" then other scholars might agree with him or disagree and if they disagree they too have to show evidence too.
Any scholar or Islam can be refuted by other scholars. And if they are refuted its called Ijtihad which means he tried to understand it.
إن الله لا ينفعه صلاح الخلق جميعا ولا يضره فساد الخلق جميعا, قال تعالى ( إن الله غني عن العالمين ) , ولكن من حق الخالق على الخلق أن يطيعوه لإنه خلقهم , قال تعالى ( هل من خالق غير الله ) , فإن أطاعوه أدخلهم الجنة وإن عصوه أدخلهم النار , والخلق جميعا تجت قبضته يوم القيامة , قال تعالى ( فمن زحزح عن النار وأدخل الجنة فقد فاز وما للظالمين من أنصار ) .
I like how he said goodbye to them at the end
The answer to the question is: the good deeds will be rewarded for them in his life but eventually he will go to hell in the day after coz he refused to believe and denying Allah in spite of all the reasons offered to him to have faith such as the holly Quraan ....etc
My man said "no one is probably interested in challenging the claim that bring something like it".
My mans lost. May Allah gyde him.
I like to yodel about horse radish and I'm an expert at hurling tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy.
Please get this guy to Bro Shabir Yusuf. brothers in Hyde Park speakers corner please get this guy have a discussion with Bro Shabir Yusuf. Btw is this Julian reading any comment Shout out to Julian if he Is :)
steeven coogan are u aware already this non Muslim guy talked to mohammad hijab and suboor and hamza. it's really not compulsory for him to meet the legend shabir yusuf. all the other brothers done a great great job May Allah reward them all.
Allahu Akbar! May Allah bless you brother Hamzah!
spread out like a carpet is a simple metaphore. When you say someone is fat like a whale, does it mean that person is a whale? Someone is tall as a building: is that person really as tall as a building? Someone is mad as hell, does it mean that hell is a person? So when it is said that the earth spread out like a carpet it simply means that the earth is vast and spread out is all direction... simple.
Regarding the egg shape of earth: the guy said the egg is flattened on it horizontal axis. Well to say that you first have to assume that the flat side is the horizontal axis... however there are no right and wrong way to set the axis on an egg.
stop spamming
If you have nothing interesting to say why are you using so much energy to let it know ?
و كان الإنسان أكثر شيء جدلا
But man is , in most things,contentious.
double standard from rob here as well.
I think rob is a good guy, like hamza said it's not his mistake when he reads verses like carpet to cover the earth or any other non-believer who reads verse beat your wife or how much a son and daughter portion of the money they get and they misinterpret. I like rob because he is honest and also attempted to find out the truth when he asked hamza where can I find this hadith. To me, he is far better than other people who blind say things but do not reflect or do not put an effort to find the answer. He thinks he is willing to admit his mistakes once you point it in the video.
i think the spreading up curpet means the crust of the earth which looks like a curpet covering the earth
Some carpet.
A carpet covers something that has a shape.
Punish or reward, is an action, you need to weigh the intention, to effectively search out the root. Which is the truth. It's hate or love, not punish or reward. Is Islam freshly or spiritually built?
YouRdoomed yes sir. That's exactly why
when the quran said, spread out. its very simple to understand, go to a high place and look at the spread out world in front of you.
Here's how I see it.
God doesn't need anyone to worship him because he doesn't gain anything for your worship but you benefit from worshipping him because the guidelines and teachings that are taught to you are to benefit YOU and make your life better it doesnt benefit him. In regards to heaven and hell when it comes to hell for people that don't believe him god has a right to punish you because you didn't appreciate what he gave you neither did you thank him for your blessings. God WANTS to help you because he is the kindest and his help is part of his existence heaven is a form of thanks fpr people who appreciated what he blessed them with and followed his teachkngs which again is benefitting you not him. This life is nothung but a test do whats right and you pass do whars wrong and you fail and the punishment for failing is unbelievably paimful. I dont know about anyone else but i think this is extremely fair. Imagine there was no hell good people wouldn't think it's fair since even bad people are going to heaven. I think this is fair as it gets.
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Brother Hamza, It would make my day if you had a debate with Paul Golding or Tommy Robinson!
its not just following the rules. Muslims who follow the rules but do it for the wrong intentions will not be rewarded for it. same thing for atheist.
I love my brothers, masha-Allah.
"then do they not look at the camels how they were created and the sky how its raised and the mountains how they are erected and the earth how it is spread out" he is talking about the surface of earth, not the shape, the use of the word spread out is to distinguish the difference between a mountain and flat surface, all Rob had to do, is to look at the park, how it's look, people were sitting on what, didn't the surface looked like a carpet spread out!
Masha Allah hamza is hamza. He is always an excellent debater
Brother Hamza said even if you are Ahmadyia or any other sect, I don't know if he meant that or just said it without thinking.
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Because i know this type of mentality.
The Riddle is as this:
Because they all have Riddles ...
He assumes that: (It is in the how he lays his question) that the fault appears.
We were created to recognize God.
That's because he thinks already we are his children and in his figure and he is a father.
So God created us to recognize Him > Brought up Jackpot (Wrong) on the Table Now i hope.
If Go ALong with this Theory : So God created us to recognize Him, That Means that God needs to be recognized >
If God Needs anything > then that is Not God < Simply the Theory or Formula is Wrong somewhere there.
We are created Beings > We are from God > Not Of God <
God Gave us Brains to know him <
God Doesn't Relay on us !!
God Doesn't Rely On anything !!
And Just Simply Because he is the All/Most Merciful He forgave Adam.
But he didn't Forgive Satan.
He is even Telling you that there is another world Out there that you don't know nothing of. 4%
We are all Made and Given light and life to the Souls by God the Most Merciful.
We all come through our Great Mothers.
The Earth is a Mother. SO are you Claiming to be The Dominant ones by just being Man As God ? Look around you ? Look at all the Other Species. God Being Man and Man Being God is The Worst Heresy. As it is already Bias towards male. and what about that Frog and that Bird ?
That's why the Term Allah Is Neither Male Nor Female and Stand Alone on its Axis firmly.
That's why in Islam We refute the Idea of any Imaginary Imagery in a place no one should be as no one is as close as figuring out the meaning of infinity.
What Does "Most" or "All" Really Mean <
A place that really should be free/above from any human comprehension.
Mash Allah brother Hamza you're doing good work Alhamdullilah you've inspired me to delve deeper into the Quran and study it more seriously.
Something I've noticed when he talks to people is he asks them questions that he knows they can't answer. it's a psychological tactic that shows them how little they actually know about certain matters, for example they claim to know the Quran or the Bible but Hamza will ask them what does the Quran say about so & so and they're completely flustered and he says well you just claimed to know...it's hilarious to watch because it happens in almost every episode!
You can tell Hamza was a sales person. He actually still is.
Quran is basically giving you the telegraphic message but for deeper understanding, you have to refer to authentic of Prophet Mohammed (pbwh). Quran states obey the God and His messenger. Peace
The earth is a thin crust of land spread out like a carpet, over a giant ball of molten Magma.
three quarters of the way, the hat came out of its coma after the sound trashing he got from a guy with a beard name saboor (I think). BTW, the beating was epic!
Hamza states that we can't prove or disprove God. So that's admitting to believe in something that can't be shown to exist. Even though that belief in an unproven God may bring about a better life by following God's teachings, that doesn't mean that God actually exists. That's like saying I am going to believe in the God of exercise. As long as I follow his teachings about exercise and staying in good health, then I will live a better/healthier life. Still no evidence that this god actually exists....
Oh dear Sombody hasn't been paying attention 🙄
@@EFDawah that's funny even in America 🇺🇸... 😂 😂 😂
@@EFDawah plan to visit England, only to meet Br. Hamza.
does a good person who doesn't believe because he doesn't need God eat food ? does he ask who provide me with food and why? if he doesn't care to know who gave him all this blessings so that he can think him, would that be a good person to start with?
I do wonder if Indiana Jones will upload the footage of Subboor demolishing him... Or did he leave the camera off for this time lol
Did Rob ever upload this to his channel? :D What is his channel anyway?
'Speaker corner Uk' is the name of his youtube channel, he didn't upload it on his channel but dont worry about his channel, we have number of amazing dawah channels ( around 10-15) that upload debates from speaker corner weekly, check and subscribe to them brother inshallah.
he doesnt understand that it wouldnt be fair on the people who lived their life by Allahs guidance and believed
never forget pushing the like for hamza,he deserves it☝👍
you did not satisfied him with how quraan is unlike others. 1 its unchanged, mentions places when places were unseen , like 2 mixing rivers, etc
mashaAllah.....best ,i ever heard especially first two parts...thr bro saboor have great knowledge..mashaAllah