The Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Car Is A Fascinating Waste Of Money - Trade-In Tuesday
Vložit
- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- In the third installment of Trade-In Tuesday David Tracy drives his first hydrogen car and manages a fascinating interview with a Mirai owner who isn't enjoying the fill-up process.
Read the full review on The Autopian: www.theautopian.com/the-toyot... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Great video, love the knowledge drop from the long term driver.
Really well done video and a great series.
All hail the algorithm.
Still want the title card to have that late 90s no limit jewel font
😂😂😂
Another enjoyable and interesting video. I look forward to Tuesdays to see what David finds next!
I just googled and found out the ONLY charging station in Denver is very close to where I live in Lakewood! Finding one of these in Denver just became a non zero possiblity....
They should be giving these away for free at this point
Impromptu Mirai owner interview! Fantastic automotive journalism from a fantastic automotive journalist!
Saw a video the other day. The guy had 29 mile range till empty. He filled the Hydrogen cell up. He then had a 348 mile range. It cost $180 to fill tank.
Is there a h2 filling station at Toyota dealer?
This is so good
As was the case with the initial Prius hybrid, Toyota is decades ahead with the MIRAI. But again, slow and steady improvements, trial and error, and many iterations is the only way to perfect a technology.
The FoolCells are more like Trial and Terror,like I'm afraid of running out of Hydrogen Gas!😂
All vehicle types require some type of energy conversion to get something useable in the tank.
I personally think hydrogen fuel cell cars are awesome. Life would be very simple if we didn’t insist on making it complicated. So in other words, things would be cheap if we wanted them to be. Things would be of great quality if we wanted them to be. It’s just us being stubborn on making things hard for everyone around us, by putting limits on everything where its not necessary, and no limits where it’s necessary. I think a little more than a hundred years ago, All countries were very simple, and a hundred years later, we evolved into having very advanced vehicles and technology. I think everyone is just complaining and taking things for granted. I had a brick phone when I was growing up, when I got to USA I got an iPhone 4, which was unheard of.
I never had a car, now I got one. I never had my own PC, now I got one and built it myself. I got a job that I have been working for 12 years and a steady income. Able to help my parents financially and physically. Don’t force Fuel Cell cars down the drain just yet. It’s a great alternative to cars we have today. They just need a redesign. Electrification is a stupid move, and a extremely expensive one. As I was talking to people at my job, we agreed that hybrid cars are the most awesome at this time. If they could increase the capacity of batteries in hybrid cars, I am sure we wouldn’t need pure electric cars. If you could get a 150 miles on battery electric charge in a hybrid, and the battery would continue to be charged by ICE, that would be the greatest advancement on cars. We should welcome all options of transportation to be honest and not stick with just only one solution of pure EVs, because it’s a stupid mistake.
I would have walked away when I saw it was missing a valve stem cap!
Creating hydrogen from electrolysis isn't the only way to create it. Microalgae like cyanobacteria and green algae can produce biohydrogen after derivation of their photosynthetic metabolism. Besides, microalgae can also be used as feedstock for biohydrogen production by microbial dark fermentation. Biohydrogen from microalgae is renewable.
I’m glad a bought a new Civic back in 2007
OK so now the real question is whether the hot water exiting its butt is potable? And if not, why the dedicated button?
So it doesn’t pee in your garage you can let it out elsewhere
Is as potable as the rain that pools in gutters drains.
Why would any dealership pay anything for one of these cars? They are worthless and will likely never be sold.
It's called stealing the trade...the reality is dealerships don't pay anything for trade ins..they just sacrifice making profit on the car they are selling for the sake of moving a unit..the dealerships that move the most units get favorable treatment from the manufacturers when they have limited models that will command a 20k or higher markup...how many GR Corolla's is this dealership getting? how many 240z is that getting..etc .. it's all a game.. how do I know? I personally worked for Cal Worthington in the 80's/90's at his Long Beach Ca Ford dealership.. seen it all.
Agree
My brother traded his 2022 back dealer. What a waste of time and money
2022 february toyota sold mirai at half price, 25000 with 15000 in fuel card. so second hand become 12-15000 ish is reasonable.
Then you throw it away.
Brah, i can only imagine how much the MTA wasted on their hydrogen buses
Geez, what's that place? Renting shop? Car is dirty.
Ion filter is for the ion cannon...
H for cars is mainly produced by electrolysis (electric current in H2O to split the molecule and capture the H). Other method is spliting a hydrocarbon (petrol) molecule with same results. The later is much more common because it's cheaper but it's not green at all. In fact, the only green H is when it's made from hydrolysis with electricity produced with renewable E.
BTW, toyota loose money on that. So the selling price is lower than the cost price.
I was disappointed the engine compartment was as dirty as a gasoline car, and that you only put $7 worth in the tank. Ass GAS or Grass, as the saying goes.
Major problem is Toyota not going to build thousands of hydrogen refill station
That has all the telltale signs of kid damage back there. Or drunk friends, who knows, could be wine.
Edit- how did you find the most camera friendly lady just randomly filling up?
would it be worth to get just for the three year fuel credit?? seems pretty reasonable to have it as a back burner?
Free fuel but finding a Hydrogen station is tough and since there are so few you would probably have to wait in line. I heard hydrogen stations are being removed because it's not profitable. I much rather pay $50 a month on electricity for my EV than this.
But why? Nissan does have gasoline non hybrid electric cars, calls it epower. So why this?
For an early model, 240miles is great. Investment will increase improvements and efficiency of both milage and hydrogen production
Hydrogen is made from fossil fuels and gives you around the same mileage, price and pollution as a gas-powered car.
Or it's made using electrolysis of water using electricity like David described. Hydrogen produced this way is 2 to 3 times as expensive.
Hydrogen is a dead-end for at least another 15 years until it can catch up to battery tech. And battery tech is currently improving at a faster rate than hydrogen tech. So that catching up is about hydrogen becoming feasible at large scale, not even about matching or outdoing batteries.
The only way hydrogen works is if we have absurdly abundant electricity that's generated cleanly. Maybe if we had massive nuclear plants all over the place, or if nuclear fusion ever becomes viable. Battery chemistry sucks and is approaching its limits - I suspect people are going to be disappointed by all of the supposed innovations "around the corner" that aren't going to be viable. The only real problem with hydrogen fuel cells is the hydrogen supply itself - if that were sorted out it would be the best of both worlds.
@@mikeydude750
> only way hydrogen works is if we have absurdly abundant electricity
Very true.
Battery tech gets replaced every 10 years. Looking at history, the current lithium based battery tech approaching it's limit means their replacement will soon become widely available. Looking at the history of hydrogen tech is will stay roughly where it was 20 years ago.
@@zanthraxnl Hydrogen fuel cells are a fairly mature technology, even storage isn't really an issue based on the Mirai and the Clarity's experiences, it's just the hydrogen supply and distribution that needs to be worked on. I could see a future where we have tons of excess cheap carbon-free energy that's used for electrolysis to generate hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles. Probably not every vehicle - but fuel cells definitely have a place for where battery vehicles might not be desirable.
I think hydrogen starts to make sense for larger vehicles, at least potentially. It scales up well to meet some cases where battery energy density struggles. It makes no sense for passenger cars though, and makes even less sense by the year.
@@ADefenestrator It makes sense for long-range vehicles that need to fill up quickly. Battery recharging is never going to be as fast as filling a tank.
How fortuitous to run into another Mirai owner while refueling. This is really interesting. I do think hydrogen would be a better long term strategy than pure EV, but we are not going that direction and there is no infrastructure.
Hydrogen makes sense for semi trucks where fueling at such large capacity stations makes sense, pricing for consumers will just make more sense to tap off the grid than to create a specialty product.
180 dollars for 300 mile range
$0.51/Mile for Hydrogen fuel. My 2006 Buick gets 15 mpg, so that's about $0.31/mile. I don't like the styling.
They are messing you guys up!! It can be measured in pounds!!!! We use the metric system here in Canada, Why all of a sudden they decide to use Kilograms!!! In Vancouver it cost less than $50.00 to refill that car!!!! You guys are getting Jacked on the H2O prices down there!!!
U can get it for free now if u can find one!!
Makes sense lol
Once the free fuel is gone, it loses it's value.
Horribly inefficient technology. Great job on the video. How has this been kept quiet so long. That's why it costs $0.50 / mile just for the fuel. It doesn't drive at all like a Tesla. A Tesla is twice as quick. A full tank of hydrogen, 5 kg * $35 / kg = $185 + tax and you can drive maybe 250 miles. Charging a model Y Tesla at home you can drive 6,000 miles for the same $185. Figure out how to pull out the hydrogen tanks and put batteries in that car and it would be a slow battery powered car.
If you could rip out the fuel cell and tanks and put in a big battery you'd have a cheap EV.
Cheap, hey? You costed EV batteries lately? Also, stupid idea.
@@TypicalTonk CATL just started to put on market batteries that costs roughly 60$/kWh , a 75kwh battery complete chassis, bms and dc/dc converter should cost no more than 7/8k dollar , still cheaper than a single barebone fuel cell stack.
I hate that you cant plug it in!
Yeah, that would make it almost useful.
People are pigs to treat any car like that. H is number 1 on the periodic table, it's everywhere. Haha, yes, I know....
$110 for 240 miles of driving! That’s 45 cents per mile. Charging my EV at home comes out to 4 cents per mile. The Mirai is 10 times higher. TEN!
No wonder people are dumping these cars when the fuel promo runs out. You’d have to be soft in the head to buy one. An F-350 would be cheaper.
Combustion engines are going nowhere. Good.
Toyota wants to make combustion hydrogen cars. That's doubly stupid.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Yeah, the world's largest car maker clearly have no idea what they're doing.... Hydrogen and synthetic fuel are the future. EV's are DEAD. Fact. And not a moment too soon.
@@TypicalTonk It's a stunt. Hydrogen combustion will never be commercially viable because of the cost of the fuel and the inefficiency of combustion engines exacerbating the fact that hydrogen has every low volumetric energy density.
The Mirai is very efficient, yet its fuel tanks take up enormous amounts of space which causes the rear seat and trunk space to be severely compromised.
A hydrogen combustion engine car would need FAR MORE hydrogen to achieve the same range, which means it wouldn't have the space for rear seats or a trunk at all. It would also cost a lot of money to run.
Can you use a portable generator for electricity to get to a refueling station? Toyota had water in their brains for foisting this on the public without making sure there is refueling infrastructure.
Nah, you can't charge the small traction battery.
I got a 2021 Limited with 8k miles. Sale price 23k. Will be getting the tax credit of 4500. I got the 15k fuel card. This car is good for a secondary vehicle. I put miles on this car and my Avalon is keeping its value by keeping its low miles. Its worth it forsure. Do the math 😉
I own toyota hydrogen car and with 1 kg of fuel the range is 500 km , the price is about 11 euro, so you better find another station instead of this one which price is over rated and steel your 💰, its not toyota fault.
Everyone commenting on this is so freakin' stupid it makes my head hurt. Go look up how many hydrogen fueling stations there are...in Japan. Bitching about prices in the US, hell, we can't even get infrastructure for EVs right. We could have fields of renewables set up all over the US for a fraction of the cost of our military's budget, but we won't.
i got 3 years of free charging for my EV. It kinda sucks, and I fill up at my house its way better. Hydrogen cars are insane. only a fool would buy one at this point.
Only a fool would stick with electric cars lol. Look up the mining for the batteries. They are a waste of money
@@zepherreload Wow they mine the materials. How terrible.
I hope that steel, aluminium and petroleum isn't mined but instead grows on trees like fruit, otherwise I would have to sell my diesel car.
@logitech4873 ok advocate for electric cars be fooled.. they are crap, the battery technology is not good enough it could have been but they never invested into it for this reason. Oil companies kept all tech that could stop them from making money along with the US government, so as far as I'm concerned, they should pay to repair what they did not us. Electric is not the way... the is power grid constantly gas power issues and you want 300mil people to go electric who's the idiot
can u write something cohesive that makes sense?
Let.'s go Mirai! It is way better than Tesla and our hands are finally clean from oil and coal power plant generation. We are 20 years behind in helping those old oil and power money people.
Where do you think hydrogen comes from?
@@logitech4873 Everywhere on Earth.
I hope you washed your hands!
You literally have to be a fool to buy this car🤷♂️😂🎉😅
Anybody can sing the hydrogen solution just like people did the battery solution. The test model of yours is essentially 8 years old. Which addresses the long term need all around for the environment and the never discussed human capital ie slave labor used to Garner the materials required to mfg batteries? I still feel hybrid is the best solution.
Hybrids use lithium batteries just like a full electric.
Don't you know that?😂
you do realize that oil extraction also involves some pretty shady stuff right. like oil all coming from the worst dictatorships in the world (saudi arabia, venezuela)
Sorry your feelings are irrelevant. The facts are that hydrogen is too expensive and inefficient.
4300 lbs?????? ...and EV naysayers complain about "the added weight of EV's" Sheesh.
Turns out hydrogen is very expensive to put in the car, still the best way forward though
Best how?
In NO way is a hydrogen vehicle efficient. None. 😀
What a joke
Just buy a Tesla. This is silly 😝
Inagine buying this mess over a Nissan Leaf 😅 same range
Ppl that bought the car at 60k mad AF.
If you have multiple cars- go buy this used.
I bought mine used it was marked at 17k, I brought down to 14,500- and got the 15k fuel card. So car bought it self. I share the car with the family- in one month we saved more than 500$ in gas. Where do u think those 500$ will go towards? 🥱
Didn’t watch the whole video as it wasn’t worth my time.