Best Chainsaw? Let's Settle This! Stihl, Husqvarna, ECHO, Poulan Pro, Craftsman, Ryobi, Salem Master
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- Let's settle this debate! Stihl vs Husqvarna, ECHO, Poulan Pro, Craftsman, Ryobi, Salem Master. Chainsaws compared for weight, pulling force to start the saw, cold temperature starting performance, torque, no load sprocket speed, cutting speed on manufactured log, cutting speed with 5 pounds of weight on the bar, cutting speed through hardwood. I purchased all of the gasoline / petrol chainsaws and supplies used to test the chainsaws to ensure an unbiased review. So, thank you for supporting the channel!
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I've owned a dozen or more chainsaws and have always found the Stihl and Husqvarna's to be the best and they performed well in your tests. Another important factor for me is the ability to get parts, shops that can fix them and how good they are after they break and get fixed. Another important reason to go with the two mentioned...
Thanks for sharing!
This was exactly what I was thinking. There are multiple Stihl repair shops in my area - the Salem Master did well, but I can't see a plastic chainsaw holding up long term, and it's going to be more or less disposable at that price point.
@@ProjectFarmmy dad has owned a Husqvarna 455 Rancher for about 13 years now. Every year we’ve used it to cut all of our wood for the winter, here in upstate New York. The saw is an absolute beast, and has never gone up against something it couldn’t cut. The new Husqvarna saws just aren’t built the same as they were.
That is an excellent point that I wish folks would consider more often than price point. Service after the sale is HUGE with something like a chainsaw. If you have a really good Stihl dealer nearby you buy Stihls which is what we did. I would suspect people that have good Echo or Husky dealers would do the same. I can't tell you how many times as a kid growing up on a small farm that we would be out clearing fence lines etc and we would have a problem with a saw and Dan would take it in and have it going again within a day or two (usually a gunked up oiler or contaminated fuel).
A saw is one of those tools that for most folks it sits idle in the shed/garage for 99% of the time. But when you need it, YOU NEED IT...
For some reason most people ignore cost of ownership with garden tools and only focus on mpg of their SUV 😅
As a former professional rural lineman, I must tell you that the little points have another purpose. When cutting larger demension material there is a trick with the points. Let the chain pull the barbs into the wood, with a little added force, then gently pull up on the rear handle rotating the bar and chain into the cut, let it rock 20 degrees, then slide the bar/chain back a couple of inches, then stab it in again. Keep the bar rocking as you go thru--try it.
Thanks for sharing.
Jeffrey - " u are the lineman for the county, and u drive the main roads , searching in the darkness for an other overload , I hear u singing in wire , I can see through the vines and the Witchita lineman is still on the linnnnne " ! Glen Campbell - Witchita Lineman
Yeah I was going to mention that but I figured someone else did.
@@joetroutt7425 🤣🤣, did I beat u on that one J ? One of my all time favorite classics of all time 🚬🥃👍Glen C RIP
I get the impression he knows that, but doing all that might introduce another variable in the form of user skill. Every extra bit of manipulation he does creates more play in the final results. Maybe if he devised a way to measure the angle in real time. That might keep it fair.
Biggest factor for me is being able to consistently start the saw and long term reliability. I've watched my dad go through 3 Homelite/Ryobi chainsaws having them break and be un-repairable while I've still have my one home grade Stihl MS171 which hasn't let me down yet.
Go the old homelite XL 12 / super / auto model. Better than anything else, extremely torquey, doesn't let me down at all. Still use it 50 years later....
Doesn't flop around like these new plastic ones, in the video they flop around so bad when you pull the pull starter haha.
@@qwertyui90qwertyui90 thats called anti vibration mounts old man lolol
@@qwertyui90qwertyui90bet you sing a different tune if you bought a new equivalent to the home light. I have used a homelite 925xl and bought a stihl ms880, never touched homelite except for mill work now
Stihl runs in my bloodline.
@@alexandercopeland2849Im a home gamer. I got an old ms440 it is the last saw I will ever need.
I've always owned Stihl saws but have used Husky, Jonsered, etc. One thing I'll say about Stihl is that they are super easy to work on. You can basically take the whole saw apart with the two tools that come with the saw : the scrench and the L-shaped torx tool. Plus parts are easy to find and readily available.
Thanks for the feedback.
I agree with that, did a lot of Stihl motors when working at a hire company.
I still have the extra long Stihl torx in my tool chest (and the carb adjusting screwdriver that came with them new), found it again a few days ago looking for something completely different (don't get into tools much since retiring)
@@1crazypj #27
Which best chainsaw machine your choice
I’ve burned wood for over 40;years. Most of these saws are
throw away saws. If you want a saw, buy a professional grade saw. It might cost more, but you will not regret it! Stihl never fails.
I bought the Stihl MS180 16” about 12 years ago because I kept seeing them on the professional landscaper trailers. I managed to clear 1.5 acres of property with that little thing, including cutting down eighteen, 26-30” diameter trees. It is still on the original spark plug and air filter and still starts on the third pull even if it sits for a year or two between uses. If I ever have to replace the saw, I’m going with another Stihl.
Thanks for sharing!
I've currently got the Husqvarna for my property. Clearing strawberry guava is a nightmare but the saw has been holding up perfectly.
I would've preferred the Stihl, as those are the saws my brothers wildfire crew run and I've become familiar with them, but couldn't find any on my small island.
You’ll be putting a fuel line in is before to long.
It’s well worth the repair when it comes due. With small needle nose you don’t have to take the whole saw apart.
@@Mike-sy6oy your life sounds fascinating, you should do a video about your situation/work!
A couple of my friends who've worked as wildland firefighters consider the stihl the industry standard-- so the result wasn't too surprising ;)
Thanks for sharing.
@@ProjectFarm Please review DIY HVLP paint sprayer. Homeright super finish max, Graco 360vsp, Wagner flexio Yattich.
Running a Husqvarna 460 Rancher for my land. Works like charm, and the 24" bar is incredibly useful for some of the huge logs I have to work with.
Thanks for sharing.
Can’t go wrong with Husqvarna. Good quality equipment.
24 inch bar for huge longs
Your not from the northwest are you
@lenardruterbories6742 I am from the PNW, and 24" does the job for the stuff I have to work with. There are bigger trees around, but the trees on my land aren't too big for it to get the job done.
I love my husqvarna chainsaw, leaf blower, weed wacker. I use the 50-1 vp and every time I need my tools they fire up.
Have an Echo. Years old,no problems,starts every time. Great saw !
They are made a bit weaker, to survive wear and tear and to save engine. BUT, thats why they can be ported to crazy numbers. Echo is amazing !
I bought a Stihl MS 290:Farm Boss about 13 years ago and have been impressed. Have used it thru several hurricanes and many hours of property clearing and cleanup felling trees, cutting branches, etc. and it’s never failed me. Just did it’s first tuneup last summer and she’s still plugging along perfectly. I’ve owned half a dozen different brands over the years but only the Stihl and a little 10 year old Homelight with a 16” bar have lasted and continue to perform. Excellent test, thanks for the video. Top shelf content as always! 👍
Wow I forgot about Homelight. I remember my dad running Homelight saws when I was a kid before he switched to Stihl. Brings back memories...
Thanks and you are welcome!
Homelite huh, I bought a gas leaf blower that was a homelite and to be honest it was pretty trash lol
I have the same MS290 and it has never let me down (except once when I got some bad gas). Glad I spent the extra $ on a Stihl.
@@JohnDoe-df2zz My Dad still has his old Homelite XL1. Talk about a VERY loud saw😆Those old saws had no chain brake, no vibration dampening, not much in the way of safety whatsoever, but they were all metal and built to last with very few plastic pieces.
I think DeWalt, Echo, Makita, EGO, Stihl and Husqvarna all owe you a lot of money for the increases in sales they have all undoubtedly experienced from your two battery chainsaw vids and now this one. Hopefully you're making enough of an impact to inspire all of the others to step up their games as well! That's exactly why we need more of this in today's world... Fair, unbiased, thorough product comparisons.
there are some things better than money
Everything is linked in the description. He’s getting paid through affiliate marketing when people purchase one of these products after following his link to the site. Also CZcams pays creators. Im sure he’s doing just fine for himself.
Over 1 million views by the target group.
He's making more than enough $ by making these videos as CZcams pays him for the views and subscribers
weeellll Makita is the old school Dolmar. one of the best
As a certified arborist of 27 years I have used both Stihl, Husqvarna medium sized saws above but small Echo's as climbing saws. All 3 are extremally well built & Long listings machines... Great Video !!
Husqvarna equipment is just as nice as Stihl. I prefer them for concrete saws because 90% of the time it takes one pull starts almosy every time😁
Good to know as I need a new chainsaw (still cleaning up from Hurricane Ian last September 😒)
I haven't tried the gasoline powered Stihl yet. However the battery powered Stihl M5A 220C with AP 300 battery is incredibly efficient. I'm not a professionnal however I was instructed by a Stihl professionnal. I've had it for 5 years now, not a single problem.
I'm guessing firewood, the occasional coppice in a field, general garden work ?
if so, stick with the electric, they're quiet, they're efficient and if you keep the chain razor sharp the 220c rips.
@@chayetsylvain1837
@chrissartain4430 27 years? Cool. I got certified in 1997. Took my test at Whistler Mt. PNW ISA conference in Dec 1996. As I'm mostly retired, after 47 years aloft, I let my cert lapse about 18 months ago. Now the PNW chapter pays my way to the training conferences in exchange for my photography.
I have used many saw brands. In order of use and preference, Husky, Stihl, Dolmar, Jonsered, Echo/Shindaiwa/Solo, Homelite, McCullough. I've also run many fully wood-modified saws as they run cooler, cut up to 50-70% faster, and last a long time.
I've had a Husqvarna 445 18" for years and always starts quickly & cuts extremely well especially with a sharp chain .
Thanks for sharing.
The Husky 445 is has a 50cc engine vs the 440's 40cc engine and is one reason I bought the 445 as well. This test should have been run with the Husqvarna 445, not the 440. The Husky 445 is closer to the price of the Stihl in this video than the 440. Not quite apples to apples in this test.
Your tests are in a league of their own! Great job once again! Your no BS approach is more and more refreshing in these times of increasing Phoniness. Please continue to keep it real for those of us that truly appreciate your efforts.
Only problem is in the real world you wouldn't put a 18 inch bar on a cs 400 . You would want a cs 490 or a 4510 for that
Thanks for the feedback!
Hey thanks for all of your videos! In the past I have asked for an all USA made video for tools or whatever else you do a video on. I was curious though if when you do these videos if you could also include after the initial test where each item is made? I know you say in the videos but when compiling my data from your videos I want to avoid anything made in China. I can then eliminate all of those and then go off of what offers the best option for stuff made outside of China.
I have a good friend who is from China and she has told me about the atrocities she has seen out there first hand by the Government. She escaped from there and from things that she has told me I don’t have any desire to ever give China any of my money. Plus their stuff has the worst longevity and durability.
Always Excellent videos without bias, thanks!
@mr Tree I got a cs400 with carb limiters and muffler screen removed and it pulls the 18 no problem. Even stock it did fine
I currently use a Stihl MS 290 and an Echo CS 590. They are very close in specs. Over my nearly 78 years I've used a lot of saws including other Stihls and Echos. My experience has been that Stihls are very well made (maybe less true now of the base consumer models), but so are the Echos. My Echo starts much more easily than my Stihl, cuts faster and seems to have more power--but it's also newer, and that may explain a lot. My son has one of my old Echos that must be almost 40 years old now. It still runs. He has an old Stihl of mine too, maybe 30 years old, and it runs fine. I think the takeaway is that any of the high-end saws--Stihl, Echo, Husqvarna, Dolmar, etc. are worth the money--they last, they have high resale value if you don't want to keep it, and they are much easier to live with. Which is best? I really think it's just a matter of personal preference and how you prioritize the fine differences in details.
Thanks for sharing.
Someone else who knows what a Dolmar is!
@@terrysoule8441 Sachs-Dolmar
Love my 590. Been using it very heavily all year without issue. There have been days where it's running 6+ hours of hard cutting. No issues so far.
I really really miss the old Homelite’s you couldn’t kill those things.
Great test! My father and brother are both foresters and they only use Stihl saws, also all most of the lumberjacks they work with. My father still has 20+ year old Stihl saw and using it regularly. The premium price comes back if you plan to keep it and work with wood every year.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
Love the hard work and dedication that goes into your videos. Keep up the good work.
I love my Echo saws!
Most saws need their carbs tweaked from the factory due to altitude etc. I gained huge rpm after retuning my saw from the factory settings. This includes my cheap Chinese arbor saw which is now a beast for $100!
Another tremendous test run. In all truth, Todd, I'd trust your testing results over anything that a manufacturer said as far as results go. Although my chainsaw slinging days are long over, I was really stoked to see you test the gas saws. If you have a lot of wood to clear, gas is the way to go for sure.
Thanks again for all you do, and for staying true to your no-sponsorship stance. It means a hell of a lot to us.
Thank you!
I've used several chainsaws over the years and ended up purchasing a Stihl Farm Boss a few years ago. The first time I used that thing I was blown away. Hands-down more power and speed than anything I'd ever used before. I also feel more safe using it because I'm not fighting it at all, just comfortable letting the saw do the work.
Agreed. Husqvarna has nothing on Stihl in last 15 years. I clear land with my 210.....things amazing.
Stay safe!
The anti vibration system on Stihl saws is second to none.
All around the best saws out there.
Also have the Farm Boss. Took it in last year and basically needed to be rebuilt. I enquired as to whether I should look at replacing it with STIHL’s modern equivalent of the Farm Boss. The shop owner was adamant and replied immediately with, “Oh no! Never get rid of this. They don’t make em like this anymore.”
my x dun did buy me my 039 farm boss 20 years ago for me birthday . she sed they are the best ... the thing still runs strong i guess i have to eat my undies nextime me x and i meat
Stihl doesnt make a model named "farm boss"
Hey Project Farm liked the video I'm looking to buy a chainsaw we had a bad storm come thru Oklahoma and lots of tree damage. what type of chains did you use with the saws? because that can make a huge difference by far because there is more aggressive chains on the market thanks
Sorry to hear!
Thank you! I have been buying Stihl for years, but was hoping there was a cheaper alternative. Apparently not without sacrificing serious benefits.
yea there is look up holzfforma
@@cantbuyrespect Where do you get parts for it?
@@jimm1819 you can use Stihl or Husqvarna parts depending on which model being that they are clones of them.
I've owned about every brand there is and nothing compares to a Stihl, I love your observation on the gas caps in regards to preventing contamination in the tank, I carry a small paint brush in each of my saw cases to clean the cap areas off before refueling/reoiling. I hope the manufacturers take note of your critique on this.
Having a couple husky xp saws I will say when looking at top models husky still holds its own.
It does offer low tier models that do make the company reputation sink though.
I have a 30 cal ammo can with all my chainsaw maint. items, extra 2 cyc oil mix, and spare parts. You can bet the farm I have a paintbrush in there! That was something I learned a long time ago.
I only use husqvarna saws. Fluid refill contamination has never been an issue with a small utility brush on hand.
Husqvarna seem to be my ideal saw. Not heavy. Easy fluid fill and chain change is quick. Most saw stores carry Husqvarna parts as well as the other popular brands.
Similar experience to you. I went through three lowes Husky's before I said ENOUGH of this crap and got a nice 261CM. Best saw ever. Not the most powerful saw in the world but the features, ease of use, reliability, weight to power ratio, etc. are lightyears beyond anything I got from lowes. Granted it may not be the fairest comparison, I'm sure Husky has great stuff at the top end, but I'll never buy anything but a Stihl again. Husky sells too much low end junk at lowes for me to bother with them anymore.
I fell timber professionally for 16 years and can tell you that "oil contamination" on pro saws is all in your heads.
I was a Stijl salesman and owned a few. Nothing will ever make me switch brands. The parts support, ease of fixing, and durability that I’ve seen throughout the years is wild. Should see some of the stuff those climbing saws go through and still run fine.
Thanks for the feedback.
Agreed. My current Stihl is a second hand 039. I think they stopped making those in 2002. I use a 28" bar and it still runs great. My Husky is a 455 Rancher. I like them both.
Yeah, the professional tree people in my area all use Stihls.
Main reason my family only ever buys Stihl. We have a MS180 I believe is between 15-20 years old. It's a bit cantankerous to start but it still runs.
You were a STIHL salesman and you still cant spell the brands name correctly?
Being just a self-employed gardener, I don't use chainsaws that much. Still have my first chainsaw, which is a small Hitachi , it still runs and cuts relatively well, upgraded a few years ago to a Husqvarna 455 Rancher. It's quite heavy, but does everything I need!!
Nice choice in upgrade
Stihl chainsaws do require lots of torque to pull over, but fortunately for the consumer they offer an alternative method on some models called Easy2Start.
This system utilizes two springs, one is the traditional recoil spring, and the other, when the rope is pulled, is put under load until the point where the strength of the spring overcomes the engine compression.
What I would recommend, if you wish to make a video about this feature, is buying a model MS180 and a model MS180C, the two have some differences, one being Easy2Start vs a traditional pull start. But otherwise they have the same size engine and bar and chain.
Love your videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the video idea.
As a former Stihl salesman, I agree with these results. But don't sleep on Husky, they build some amazing saws. Both companies guarantee at least 15 years of parts availability and as such, these are lifetime purchases.
Thanks for the feedback.
Try contacting Husqvarna.... I had trouble with my chainsaw and it was new. Couldn't get person on the phone, and there were no reps close. Since it was a year old I couldn't take it back to Lowe's either. I wound up taking it apart and reassembling it which seemed to fix the starting issue. Later bought a Stihl, a superior chainsaw I must say.
@@Kmangod i’ve never had issues with contacting them, but maybe it’s because i’m in Sweden where husqvarna is located
I've owned a Stihl since idk when ( at least 10yrs) but if it's ever non-fixable(doubt) I'll give Husky a shot. Chainsaws really do seem to be the "You get what you pay for"
@@insanospaz My recommendation is to stay away for Husq. I have one and a Stihl. There is a huge quality difference. If you're an average Joe then go for it. But if you want something well worth the money then its Stihl forever.
The Stihl is definitely in a league of its own, but the electric echo did better than I expected! Very impressive
Thanks for the feedback.
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Electric saws have come a long way. Especially for homeowners. They have a long ways to go to match higher end Pro saws, but for your average homeowner who cuts and bucks a few trees a year, electric seems to be the way to go.
@@briananderson7497 I went this route for that very reason. Corded because I inevitably use it so rarely that the batteries lose capacity due to age before they do charge cycles.
Won't ever buy a Husqvarna again. B ought one from lowes. Never would run right from the second year i owned it. Spent so much time working on it. New carbs everything! Just would bog and wouldn't run once warmed up. Ended up buying an electric one that fits the same battery as my wife's weed wacker.
Thank you so much I really enjoy all of your content. You should consider doing some test between the makita hypoid gear circular saw and the skill worm drive circular saw and possibly include as some some other rear handled heavy duty competitors used by framers. I would be very interested to see which gear design provides more advantages.
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
Great video. I have a 18inch Craftsman I bought 3 yrs ago for $125 (before inflation) and its still running strong. Its used for light duty and 8-12 inch trees. I also have a Husqvarna 455 Farm Tough for the bigger trees and that thing is a beast! Love your videos. Keep up the great work!!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for sharing.
Had my Stihl Farm Boss for 18 yrs, it’s always been a rockstar. Currently using the aggressive rapid cutting chains, just rips through jobs😁👍 If it ever fails, would never consider anything else.
@no name
Was it the M-Tronic computerized carb? My local independent Stihl dealer won't sell them unless the customer insists on one. I guess the issue with the early M-Tronics was a failure to re-start when hot/warmed up, that is supposedly not a big issue now.
I have a newer farm boss and it has worked flawless.
I've had a farm boss for 22 years. It has been such a good saw I bought a sthil 391. The new bigger saw has had problems running since day one and can not keep up with the old farm boss.
exactly old stihlc saws last and keep performing over the years and iive been offered almost has much has i paid when it was new but cant sell my baby ,
My dad had a Farm Boss for 5 years. After he died it sat unused for another 3 or 4 years.. I didnt even put in new fuel..!! It started on the 2nd pull..!!!
Its been doing all my heavy work for the last 6 years without a hitch. I wouldn't have a different saw.
I have a Stihl MS250 and it has performed flawlessly for over 10+ years. Well worth the cost
I've got an 032AV and it's performed well for, um, 40+ years... There have been some great old saws. I still occasionally use my Homelite XL. McCullough used to make some fine saws before they went down the drain. Sachs-Dolmar also.
Thanks for the feedback.
30 plus here.
I have 3 290's actually one is a 029 same saw just older. Best saw for the money hands down
I have a ms170 and despite it being a cheap home gamer saw I've beat the hell out of it for almost a decade cutting Australian hardwoods and it still runs perfectly
Thanks as always. Although this is a rewatch of older video, I think I figured out a test for your channel- chisels. either wood or concrete chisels- came to mind while using a chisel to help break up a concrete slab and notices my tip wearing down and loosing some material. I found that my wood chisel set from HF work very well, and curious on both types does brand make value worth the spend. Have a good one! Cheers
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
I went and purchased a Stihl MS250 because of this video and it's been amazing. I had a Poulan Wild Thing 2375 I got for free (still overpaid) that was causing me to spend more time working on the chainsaw than working on my land. I'd be down 20 minutes for every hour of work--and that was on a good day. It was awful. The Stihl has been great. Thank you.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Stihl and Husqvarna make great saws, their pro ranges are the choice of professional users (logging teams etc.) so that says a lot about their quality, longevity and customer support. A brand that is quite popular here in New Zealand is Shindaiwa (Japanese), they make really high quality outdoor equipment.
Thanks for sharing.
Hey Mark. Shindaiwa and Echo are functionally the same brand. You'll occasionally find a tiny difference between the two brands but fundementally the products they produce are identical other than being different colors.
When I worked at a rental company, we exclusively used Shindaiwa for chainsaws, polesaws, power brooms etc. They held up pretty well and I only had one go down due to the customer using straight gas for an extended period (we did get it rebuilt though).
Don’t miss the sound of 2 strokes on a daily basis,😅
@@hornetdt I didn't know that, interesting. Shindaiwa have always been a bit of a niche brand in NZ, but I always liked them, they have a very unique sound. Echo always seemed to be aimed more towards the home owner, and Shindaiwa more towards the commercial user, but that's just my impression and perhaps just a marketing thing.
@@hornetdt Spot on. I'm a small engine mechanic and factory trained on Echo equipment. Good reliable value equipment that are easy and cheap to work on.
With the top three saws, the chain makes a HUGE difference. The Husqvarna/stihl/echo would probably be more evenly matched if they all used the same chain.
Well the Stihl is also a 45 cc saw, the Husky a 40cc, but you're right.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ChrisGilliamOffGrid The Echo is 40.2 cc., although they make a 45 cc model.
The Salem Master would be an excellent choice for someone who just had storm damage, needs to clean up, and my never need a saw again. Or as a loaner saw to relatives that you don’t trust enough to loan your Echo, Husqvarna, or Stihl saw to.
@@haneyoakie14 Possibly, but I had to use my Makita 7900 with it's 28 inch bar a good bit after Sally. These oaks and pecan trees down here get pretty big. $1000 saw more than paid for itself tho.
I picked up the Poulan pro on sale last year and was a little disappointed with it out of the box. Opening up the air box and muffler and retuning the carb made it much much better though!
I bought an Echo cs-310 brand new two years ago and it’s been a great saw the entire time. I’m no arborist or contractor but for the medium trees I have at my house it cuts great. And always starts easy in the cold. For the bigger projects I have my MS-250 Stihl with an 18” bar, which seems to do better against thicker logs on bigger trees. Together they make a great pair.
Thanks for sharing.
Love my MS- 250
I like the fact that you included a very budget friendly saw. The fact that it turned out to be a decent saw was a bonus. After this review, I bet the price goes up.
Based on construction quality (as reported here), I doubt it. About 100% of people buy chainsaws looking at long-term durability and reliability. You do not want to have plastic piece fly off while you're on location.
@@GianmarioScotti yeah, those saws have been around and reviewed for a while... They work, they are great for a homeowner, but not of high quality. More of storm cleanup and casual use... I wouldn't buy one to cut firewood with.
I'd buy one over a poulan if I had to, but not over anything else.
Thanks for sharing!
@@GianmarioScotti Yeah, even good quality chainsaws are still complex machines that break down often enough, when travelling some distance to go wood cutting we always pack 2 medium sized chainsaws, a small chainsaw and an axe with wedges (usually to rescue a stuck chainsaw). It's very unlikely we will get through 2 days worth of cutting without a single chainsaw going down. However this is also in Australia with some pretty hard hardwoods that love to gum things up with their finer dust.
The Salem Master appeared to be a Zenoah 5800 clone saw. A lot of them exist in the $150-200 price range. I doubt the Salem Master price will go up due to competition. I actually have a different brand of the "same saw" and it's been 100% reliable. It's very strong and pulls hard with a simple muffler mod and base gasket delete. And some pretty light port work wakes it up even more
I know it would probably be really expensive to pull off, but if you did a side by side comparison of a bunch of truck winches, that would be an epic testing video.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Ditto. Funny how these videos always seem to inevitably appear as I'm considering buying something.
Great idea!
I second this
Yes, this!
Excellent review, as always. I would like to see a Chinese Stihl clone added to these tests. I think most of us know that the Poulan is always going to be a bottom of the barrel choice. I'd prefer to see the Farmtec ect. saw compared than the Poulan saws. I wonder how a rebuilt 25 yo Stihl would compare with modern saws? I just completed a total rebuild of an 046 that out preforms my newer Husky 372 by bunches.
I have an older model Poulan Pro, and they really haven't changed their design much aside from where the chain tension screw is located and the tool being in the handle. No bumper spikes on mine either. I actually came here because I'm looking to get a bigger saw and definitely needed the comparison review. love your channel
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Your reviews have become the GOLD STANDARD for product testing!
Keep up the awesome videos!
Thanks, will do!
+1. You’ve managed to put consumer reports out of business.
They were from the very beginning.
Absolutely awesome test! I love the inclusion of the electric chainsaw to put it in perspective. Just once I'd love to see a behind-the-scenes video that goes into the making of your reviews! You've got some serious gear holding those logs and the attention to detail in maintaining consistency during testing certainly would be interesting to hear about how you maintain it for your testing. Top stuff, as always!
Thank you! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm I'd love to see a video on soft shackles - maybe a couple of the most reputable off-road brands (e.g. Warn/Factor55/BubbaRope/YankumRopes), couple less-reputable off-road brands (e.g. Smittybilt/Rough Country/etc), Harbor Freight, and a few popular/cheaper Amazon ones. 👍
@@camro210 yes! Great idea! Test the ropes too!
I have a battery operated chainsaw. 80 volt greenworks 18-in chainsaw. Not the pro. I'm wondering if I should get the Salem Master mentioned in this video? I wonder what the comparison and in regards to some of these tests would be between the Salem Master and the green works 80 volt chainsaw?
To anyone buying their first chainsaw, I'll add this bit of advice: Part of your decision should include what shop you are going to rely on for future maintenance and repairs. For my money, Stihl and Husqvarna are both awesome products and the choice between them is often subjective preference. However, my preferred local shop is a Husqvarna shop, so my most recent purchase was that brand.
Thanks for the feedback.
Solid advice. I don't cut often, so I went with the 18" EGO. Oregon replacements for the bar and chains. 16" & 14" compatibility. 3 years in and nothing has broken. Not so much as a chain skip.
An old friend has a Husky and the thing starts on every 1st pull. I don't miss the noise though.
The crazy thing is, when i needed a chainsaw, the Stihl was the best deal, it was only $200 Canadian for the MS170 and that included set up and tune up, the chinese saws were 150-300+ for things i'd never heard of with no support or reviews, one of the few no brainer purchase decisions i've had to make.
Good advice for most mechanical equipment
100% agree. Both stihl and husqvarna are great saws.
I have a 18" Husqvarna that's over 20 yrs old, farm and ranch use. Had a bunch of storm damage this past year, and switched over to the newer Xcut Husqvarna chain. What a difference. It's easily cutting at the speeds you're showing for the Stihl, and most of my cutting is Bois' Darc /hedge apple. Can't argue with 20yrs usage and still going.. Thank the Good Lord!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the great comparison. I had a Poulan Pro and always had a hard time starting it. I bought an Echo professional series chainsaw and love it. It starts usually by the 4th or 5th pull and it cuts better than any chainsaw I have ever owned. I liked it so much that I bought an Echo string trimmer also, and it usually starts by the 3rd or 4th pull.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Great video! Do I need a 20" bar, 16" or 18" if the trunk is around 16"?
I've had my Sachs Dolmar 120 for over 18 years, never did any major engine rebuilds.
As a matter of fact I got it from my father back in 1998, back in his day he used it 10-15 years, it still has the factory 49mm piston(68cc)! Apart from the scuffed/banged up paint works great!
I use it 2-3 times a week, does what it's supposed to do :).
Truly a saw to pass on to generations.
Sachs Dolmar‘s gets my vote & my Dad bought one in the 80’s. Only thing that got replaced was ignition coil besides bar & chains.
I was hoping to see a Dolmar/Makita in this test.
@@smileysun9212 same :(
I did not expect the two top gas chainsaws to be on opposite ends of the price spectrum like that!
Stihl is in a league of its own and is the best hands down. Salem Master put out a great showing for the price, well done on their part.
Thanks again, Todd! 🐺🔧
If stihl would fix their oil and gas caps they would have no competition, those twist lock caps just plain suck
Stihl corporate customer service absolutely sucks!
Thank you!
The best gas trimmer I’ve owned is (still) a Stihl. But it started with the dealer taking one off the shelf, putting some non-ethanol gas & oil in it, starting it and giving it a quick tune. Big box stores don’t do that…
@@rudyjanke5942 The Husqvarna ones let tons of dirt in as well, and my saw the oil fill is behind the handle. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I got the Poulan because the price was right (before watching this video). It has trouble idling, and I'm not the only one who experiences this. I've heard other people say that it bogs when the throttle is opened. My saw runs fine wide open. For a brand owned by Husqvarna, they don't seem to have very good QC. We shouldn't have to adjust a brand new saw just to get it running.
Thanks for sharing.
I have a Stihl MS250 for years. I love it. I had a Poulan and it was junk. Lasted for extremely short time until the compression went out.
Thanks for the feedback.
I'd love to see a final showdown with homeowner, ranch grade then pro grade and see how they compare. Certainly a price difference. Love the channel, always innovate ways to test stuff I'd never think of.
The Stihl 500i would also blow away the rest of the competition
I would think the pro saws would only shine in weight at first, but stand alone in the long run.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Husqvarna 560 would be rather good for this
@@valdman123zxz I own the Husqvarna 560, it's a great saw. My neighbor owns a Stihl 311, although a little more expensive than my Husqvarna, it's a better saw. At retail price, I'd pay the extra money for the Stihl. You can occasionally find a Husqvarna on sale, but never Stihl. At a sale price, the Husqvarna wins out.
I've owned chainsaws for 45 years and I have never found anything that out performs or last as long as Stihl. I have a little 020 AV that is 30+ years old and starts first or second pull this day.
Never gets old, I love the comparison videos, thank you good sir for the excellent work
Thanks and you are welcome!
Another excellent review. For me durability is huge a factor. I had a Poulan Pro unit and after two years I grew impatient with its issues. For my next chainsaw, I went with Stihl and that was more than a decade ago. It is yet to let me down. It was certainly more expensive to begin with but as you duly noted, buy once and cry once.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
good choice, nothing more frustrating than a saw that won't start. homeowner, but i don't have time to fiddle with things that don't work properly or well. Stihl 362 going on 12 years countless chains, and still works like a top, AFTER i got rid of the bosch plugs... for some reason that year or that dealer stuck a bosch plug in it, damn thing would never start... got talking to a different dealer one day on a different mission asked me what kind of plug was in it... all he said was "theres your problem"
After using borrowed Homelite and Poulan saws, I went out and got a Stihl. Turned out to be a great decision! Got the little ms170 and it's one angry little beaver! 🦫
As always great video! Another thing to consider is the availability of replacement parts. Stihl, husqvarna and echo are probably the only saws with readily available parts.
Good Point!
Very true. Although anymore, people don't really fix anything, it breaks they throw it away because it ain't the newest latest model.
@@wildbill23c nowadays newer model usually = lesser quality
@@kayak_homie And yet most people dont care, like the other commenter said, they just throw it away. I read a review for an unrelated product, where the customer liked the item but said it was difficult to clean. I qoute "but its so cheap, I just throw it away after its dirty...". People have no respect for the planet, or themselves anymore. Or so it seems from my small sample data :/
You can get most parts from oregon
Did you tune all the carburetors before the test?
I'm a long time Stihl customer. Glad to see you agree it's a good investment. I got a Ryobi brushless 18v 12" for the little trimming jobs and brush too big for loppers and haven't been disappointed. Lightweight and strong enough for me.
Thanks for sharing.
I have a little older version of the Stihl MS250 and I've found that I just barely need to pull the string to start it vs. yanking the whole string out. Tremendous saw. Chainsaws are one of those things where you get what you paid for. Generally, the more expensive the saw, the better quality and longer lasting. However, the results of that Salem Master are very impressive for the price!
Thanks for sharing.
You always go way above and beyond when you perform product tests. Great video! A++
Thank you very much! This means a lot to me!!
I worked with a logger in high school and all he used was Husqvarna. I bought a Craftsman chainsaw bigger than what I thought I needed but I was cutting Osage Orange/Hedge wood and I had to upgrade and put out the money for a Stihl. I was working with a farmer in Kansas and all he had were Stihl and the dealer was in the same town. I don't regret the purchase and it has paid for itself a few times over. We burn wood and I cut and sell firewood.
Thanks for sharing!
I’m New to chainsaw
World, but I was given a chainsaw and want to know
If they make a pole that I can attach my current chainsaw to? I don’t want to
Buy a second chainsaw (pole saw) but be nice to have a pole to attach my current saw to for the occasional use..
I found that upgrading the chain on cheap saws made a huge difference. Most come with an Oregan chain which isn't too bad, but changing to a good Stihl chain would really help.
Thanks for the feedback.
I found that the Oregon chain was a huge upgrade from whatever junk came with my Ryobi! It was the best value for the $, based on my interpretation of Project Farm's testing in another excellent video.
@jelad Snikpoh Oregon do make a good chain, they also make a cheap chain! Same for Stihl. It's possible to match the wrong chain with the wrong saw too.
I'm pretty bad with maintenance and looking after things so I used to buy $70 saws and take them into a shop to have good chains made. They would be ok for a year or so! And when I bit dirt I still had the factory chain as a backup
Stihl chains, for whatever reason, have proven absolutely superior to all other brands, in my experience.
Interesting. I find the Oregon chains to be as good as the Stihl ones. What matters most is whether they are full chisel or semi-chisel and, of course, whether they are sharp. Brand new, both perform extremely well on red and white oak. After some usage, performance comes down to whether you have sharp chains.
That Stihl is one of the best performing saws for the money. I had one for over 10 years and it was flawless. Only upgraded for a bit more power. Wish I had kept it.
Thanks for the feedback.
My 250 has cut close to 50 cords in the last 6 years. Thing does not quit!!! It does struggle on bigger logs in terms of cut speed. I just grabbed a Ms400 to get the job done a bit quicker and keeping the 250 of course!
@@ProjectFarm love your videos!
@@commonsence8223 nice upgrade! I grabbed the MS261. Similar size and weight to the MS250 but more powerful and less vibration.
I'm just a home owner so I do not need a " Pro " saw. However I buy quality as the need arises. I have the Stihl MS 250 and I love that saw. It will last ME a lifetime as I am now 70. But that was very interesting that you included the amount of pulling force to get those saws started. I have advocated from day one that Stihl should have installed a compression release on the 250. That little bugger is snorty, and has a ton of compression. But I love it all the same !
Thanks for sharing!
You sir, have done a wonderful job of reviewing these chainsaws. Very professional, informative, and helpful. Thank you for taking the time to do the review.
Thanks and you are welcome!
A few years back, I went to help one of my sisters with storm damage after a hurricane. Wanted to buy a Stihl due to past experience, but money was a little tight...so went with the Echo. Overall, very impressed. The only issue I had was with the restrictive muffler system they were required to install, really slowed down the response time. Once I 'corrected' that issue, it ran great. Very easy to start and fairly strong. Should've never gave away my Stihl to my BIL out west.
Thanks for sharing.
Our farm echo sits alot and it never takes more than 5 pulls with old gas! Best starting saws hands down!
@@ryanfarthing8434 my neighbor says the same thing about his echo!
I have an Echo CS 590 about 3 years old. I have cut about 20 cords so far and felled a few large trees. No problems so far (knock on wood). I heard about opening up the muffler system to really make it go, but don't want to fix something that is working well.
Ya, I bought a echo, timber wolf.Great running saw,56cc lot of power.I have a smaller stiel.that one works good too...
Most of the Husqvarna manufacturing facilities are concentrated in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries. They also have subsidiaries in France and Germany. Next in line are the USA and China, each with 6 production plants. Brazil has one Husqvarna manufacturing plant. It’s most likely that your Husqvarna chainsaw is made up of components sourced from more than one of these countries. For example, the wildly popular Husqvarna 455 Rancher is made mostly in Sweden. The power head is manufactured in Sweden and then shipped to the US where a locally manufactured Oregon bar is fitted. Even then, no one can be sure whether some of the components are manufactured in China, possibly even Brazil, and then sent to the European or US plants for assembly.
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People expect from a brand to have consistent quality.
I have a mid level Husqvarna battery trimmer (225il). Made in Vietnam. Don’t really care where it’s made, but if a company moves to Vietman or India these days, that means that they are chasing lowest possible labor costs. (i.e. China is too expensive for them!) Doesn’t mean the product is bad, just gives an idea about the company’s mentality.
@@SolidStateWorkshop Vietnam's economy is growing rapidly and their labor cost might be low but it affords them a comfortable life due to cost of living differences. I suspect this will change over time and I hope companies invested over there will stick with them even if costs go up. Related, they also don't seem to share china's "me first" attitude in regards to money and tendency to do as little as required to make sure profit is maximized. In short, if you don;t spell out EXACTLY what you require from china they will screw you over, whereas Vietnam seems to have at least some sense of pride in their work and desire for their customers to be happy with what they get. I think they are more related to Japan's economic mindset then china.
I can't speak to India. Seems to vary by industry.
So I guess I wouldn't rule out a Vietnam product right off the bat. I prefer stuff from the US when I can, but "not china" has become my second criteria when looking just because of quality and reliability and consistency reason. Vietnam doesn't make me second guess.
@@davenhlaThe only reason companies are moving there in the first place is because labor is cheap...cheaper than China namely. They will leave Vietnam just like they left every other country whose manufacturing industry they built up, and then left when wages rose as a result of improved quality of life.
I am wary of trying to relate the culture of a people to quality of product. Generally, a good quality product can be made anywhere, given a well defined specification, quality system, and so on. There are plenty of high end manufacturers in China who do great work. And there are crappy ones too. Same applies to the Vietnam, US, Germany and so on!
Like I mentioned, not that concerned about where it was made. Rather - if a company is constantly chasing the lowest possible labor market, what does this tell you about what they value in the first place? Sure, you can argue that they want to keep labor low so that they can use good quality components/materials and sell at a reasonable cost. Possible, yes. But, not my experience (usually).
I learned valuable lessons with my MS261: (a) pay attention to chain tension. (b) inspect chains for burrs. (c) HARDWOOD (maple, oak, ironwood, ash) isn't kind to saws.
Thanks for the feedback.
I was curious at your first test, torque? I own two Jonsered. I don't think I have ever stalled my saw with down pressure. Am I missing something here? I routinely cut down and upcut,, depends upon the lay of the wood,, upright, end supported, end not supported, current against the snag,, you always want to finish the cut on the tension side so the bar is not pinched. I don't remember it ever bogging on the up cut. Down cut,, gravity,, I am not aware of pushing it down. Would not the sharp of the chain affect the bog? That's right,, you did say out of the box.
Stihl chainsaws have been my favorite saws for my entire professional and personal life. You can't go wrong with them. But if you're just using them occasionally and don't want to spend the money for one then I would go with the Echo. They've really stepped up their saw game over the past few years and are way easier to start than either the Stihl or Husqvarna.
Thanks for the feedback.
Watched the video, but already knew that Stihl was the king of chainsaws!
I agree STHIL all the way their farm/ ranch saws are superior husky box store saws. Those are orange pouland's absolute garbage..
Agree 100%.
If a person doesn’t use their saw often, then the battery powered saw is the best option. No worries about failure to start after not running for four months.
I had that Echo and that stihl for years. The Stihl was indeed faster and "funner" but the Echo seemed more durable. They both made lots of money for me as a pro landscaper but I grabbed the Echo when a windstorm and wildfire struck and I came to the aid of friends and neighbors. I ran it along with my big Echo 620 for hours and hours. and both were unrecognizable, coated in pitch and debris, but the tanks and air intake were clean as new when I took it apart for maintenance. As you would say, "very impressive!"
I have used Echo and Stihl extensively over the years and have always found Echo to be be more reliable and better made, but Stihl generally has more grunt. I do prefer Echo as I have had lots of issues with modern Stihl equipment, mainly due to Stihl cheaping out on a lot of parts (like carburettors).
Thanks for sharing!
The cs 400 is a great saw for its size but I wouldn't put an 18 inch on it 16 at the max really if you wanted an 18 inch chainsaw you'd want atleast a cs 4510 or a 490 and you can get those for under 300 on ebay
I have ECHO chainsaw and Husqvarna trimmer/brush cutter, all good, but i liked legendary husqvarna 254 until it got too old to find spareparts. Even sthil 261 was very good after my best after husq got retired. Now its ECHO time and im not dissapointed it peformace, CS-501SX its its name.
@@tavv17 Me too on the 501. Was initially keen on the S261 because I have lots of other Stihl gear, looked at the H550, but in the end went with the E501. Beautifully lightweight and torquey.
I love my Echo. It's a larger one (CS 590) with a decompression switch and no fuel primer. It starts with just a handful of pulls and I always drain the ethanol fuel, run it dry, and drain the oil after each use and before storage.
I had a bad storm drop a huge maple, taking out my electric supply. 30 secs earlier and it would have crushed me and my daughter in our car as we drove away.
On returning, in the chaos, I filled the chainsaw with pure gas from the wrong can. I used it for 20 minutes in the rain and it then stalled. Not sure what was going on, though that was odd that it stopped. I restarted it and ran it again for another 5 mins, when it stalled again. I then realized what I'd done. I refilled with 2-stroke fuel and continued to use it. I thought what the heck, I'll need a new chainsaw anyway!
Next day I inserted a borescope and saw just some minor scuff marks in the cylinder. I ran it and it performed perfectly with good compression. It felt the same as when new when pulling to start with the decompression switch deactivated. No issues at all during operation. I was amazed.
That was all 3 years ago! I've used it to fell and cut up several large and small trees since. In fact, I just used it. Never lets me down despite my earlier abuse! Only needed to replace the bar and chain and air filter to-date. 😢
For smaller saws, lower weight is an important feature to reduce fatigue. Next I'd be looking for anti-vibration features and durability - I'd either for the Stihl or Husky too.
Thanks for sharing.
anti-vibration features are very impornant, for pro's who can get Vibration white finger and even for regual people who just use it only for thier own fireplace. My professor who was in 40s already had it and he is not phisical worker. There is no price for your health
Would be interesting to see this test with saws at the 60cc level. I think that's the sweet spot in terms of size between pro and prosumer.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Cs600p would make quick work of that test.
@@mikewest712 you miss spelled the 562xp ::P
But that STIHL ms461 is $1200. Lol. That would be an expensive test.
@@BLOODnVALOR362 is 59 CC and would be the comparable saw there. One of the best power to weight ratios out there. I have an old 036 PRO and that thing runs like nothing else at 26 years old
I have had my beloved Echo chainsaw for 40 years or so. One of the best purchases I ever made in my life. Still it's good to know about the Stihl should the day ever come.... GREAT and SUPER review! Wow! Ya done good PF!
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.
My dad always owned Echo’s and they’re very good for the price, but nowadays I work at a Stihl dealer and own an MS362CM. The Stihl and Husqvarna pro saws are expensive but there is a reason why all the people who do it for a living use one of those two brands. I buy Stihl now but the Husq pro saws are also good. I would buy one of them if I got the same employee discount as I do on Stihl.
My old man has always bought Stihl and they never let us down. I took a gamble at Lowe's in the aftermath of hurricane Ida and bought my first saw. They had a half-off deal on the Husky 545 Mk2 Professional. I've put it through its paces on my little piece of land and it's a damn good saw.
Thanks for sharing.
I don't have brand loyalty for many companies, but Stihl is the exception when it comes to chainsaws. I've used tons of different saws, and the first time I used a commercial grade Stihl I was legitimately blown away at what a fantastic machine it was. Look at what professional lumberjacks use for their day-to-day work, and it's almost exclusively Stihl chainsaws.
As always - fantastic comparisons and analysis!
Thanks!
I really don't even consider it brand loyalty. If somebody built a better saw, I'd buy theirs. I just so happens that Stihl makes the best damn affordable medium duty chainsaw on the market. I'd call it "good product loyalty." 😁
@@Centermass762 even professional grade stihl is the best
stihl is the best saw by far, hands down. If you want to cut wood. :)
@@Deere2154D that's good to hear. I've never used their larger commercial models so I couldn't comment on those.
It'd be interesting seeing you do the 9ich cut off saws. I've had the dewalt 54v flexvolt for a while now mostly cutting concrete and clay roof tiles and would be fascinated how others on the market compare, excellent work.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Great test! I have a Stihl MS311 and it's a powerhouse. I guess it would be natural to do a comparison test on fireplace inserts or wood burning stoves next!
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Todd, here's an idea for an episode. Test auto sump pumps. Harbor Freight has a portable sump you just put it in a flood area and walk away. It self primes and starts and shuts off automatically. I have one and it works great. Now I can sleep all night long when I know a big storm is coming in the middle of the night so my garage won't flood out. There are others on the market that I didn't get a chance to test or look at the specs, but these drop anywhere auto sump pumps are a lifesaver. You should test them. I'll give you more info if you need it.
Thank you for the video idea!
Excellent idea
@@ProjectFarmyou might include battery backup pumps, too.
As someone who has a basement that floods, I've gone through sump pumps and tired of them, they are expensive and disintegrate over time. I really like Rule boat bilge pumps, they are the size of your fist and will pump water quite well, with a float switch, a very good alternative. I currently use a water pump designed for recreational vehicles; it does _not_ sit in the water, and runs at 55 psi which is enough to run pop up emitters to water my lawn. Hence, if I were to see a test on pumping water, I would want to see sumps, boat bilge pumps, and RV water pumps for comparison.
I use bilge pumps for stuff like that, they self prime, their cheap, they handle a bit of crap, they can run off a battery, they use very little power and they are very reliable.. they also come in various sizes depending on how much water you need to move and if you have a sump area where the pump can sit in an inch of water they can be left on and they'll happily just sit their running and not pumping with just enough water to lube the seals without burning out while waiting for the water to start coming in
If you buy a Poulan for shoulder strain, you have to take into account the fact that the older the saw gets, the more pulls you need. You'll just keep Poulan and Poulan until the thing starts. Top 5 most common repair on a Poulan is replacing the pull start cord.
Thanks for the feedback.
Stihl makes an easy start model of the 250 with a spring assisted pull. Takes about 3 times less force to pull it. More delicate but much easier!
Great video man!😄I understand this is all for testing purposes, but thought I'd mention pushing on the cut is a sure way to burn up a piston cylinder, especially if your chain is dull..
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Just popped back in to refresh my memory on this review.
Quick note on the Salem Master. The 58cc is almost identical to the 62cc, slightly bigger bore. I have the 6220H model. That Full Chisel Chain they supply is a terrible chain choice. Its to aggressive for the Saws with their lower rpm operation. I run Semi-Chisel and almost exclusively cut Hard woods for firewood. I couldn't ask for a more dependable chainsaw for the price.
After initial break in I stuck with 25:1 for several gallons of mix and just recently switched to 40:1. The saw definitely liked the change and a slight tweak to the High setting really woke it up.
Upgrades to a 22" bar/chain and its tackling Oak to 30"+.
Whatever Chainsaw one chooses, taking care of it is Key to it taking care of you.
I worked in the bush for years as a landing bucker man, and i would put a Husky up against any saw on the market,, they are tough , fast and just an all around great chain saw for anyone who uses one for a living in a hard work environment ..
I was a logger for 36 years & I have to go with the husky also
I had a friend who had 3-4 Stihl saws, after he used my Echo a few times and saw how much easier it was to start, he trades all his Stihl saws in and got new Echo saws! And I recently inherited my fathers 30 year old Swedish made Husqvarna and its the best saw I’ve ever used!
Yep my 1998 Husky is the best saw
Thanks for sharing!
I have a 91 Swedish made jonsered (now Husqvarna owned) I got for free it was sitting atleast 10 years. All I got in to it is 10$ for fuel line and a good ol' disassemble to clean. It starts and runs but I cant get it to start in cold or idle very long. It's not set right after I took apart and rebuilt carb. I have it's service manual but can't get it right. No primer and a hell of a lot of compression.
Very impressive!
I have a 25 yr old Husky 55 Rancher...made in Sweden. It is was a beast for its day and still runs very well.
My only complaint about Husky these days, is its gotten hard to find dealers for the Pro and semi Pro Saws. Tons of dealers for Husky's consumer grade saws. Not so sure of their biz strategy here.
I have been using Stihl for over 30 years now. I have used many different saws over time; Husky, Echo, Homelite, Jonsered. The Stihl has impressed me time and time again. Not always the best, but the most consistent and easiest to repair in the field.
Also, most professionals I know use Stihl or Husky, all for good reason.
If you cut heavy and hard the stihls clutches go out I’m a husky man and wouldn’t ever buy a rebranded piece of shit 440 everyone who knows saws knows that this want fair that’s not a real husky that’s like buying a John Deere from Lowe’s and calling that a real John Deere it’s and MTD
@@MichiganMitch23 I have had an 044 for a long time, my favorite saw, heavy as ever and has never failed. The newer Stihls are hit and miss. I have a 10 year old 390 and a newer 180, both are good. Also have a 290 that is one of the biggest pieces of crap, gonna find something to trade it for.
@@Echowhiskeyone that's sad to hear.. I have a 290 that absolutely rips. Starts first or second pull every time. Eats wood for breakfast lunch & dinner
@Echo Whiskey however I did end up buying a husq 372xp with a big bore kit so it's 76.6cc now instead of 71. Quite a difference between 56.5 and 76.6 lol.
Having worked on many huskys and stihls, I think the huskys are easier to work on.. they are both very good saws though and most of the repairs I've done has just been cleaning carbies out and the occasional full rebuild after 20 years of almost daily abuse in Australian hardwoods
I’ve had my 62cc Salem Master for over 4 years now. I’ve been running a 24” bar and chain on because of the size or Iron Wood, White oak and Pecan trees I’m cutting. The only thing that has stopped working is the on off switch, easy to replace but why when the choke works just as good. This winter I’ll be doing a carburetor tune up, new spark plug and air filter. For the $68.00 dollars I paid for this thing it has more than paid for itself. I’m sure as long as I keep up with the maintenance on it, this thing will easily last 10 plus years. I also own a 32cc Echo that I’ve had for over 10 years and I haven’t used it at all since I picked up the Salem master, there’s just zero comparison between the two.
Thanks for sharing.
I bought the echo cs400 last year. Every time I use it I’m more and more impressed with it. Take some material out of the mufflers cat and the thing will be an animal. After using it the saw gets better and better each time as it breaks in. I was very very impressed with the cs400. Never gave me a problem starting either. Thanks again for the testing!
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
After owning about 4 different cheap saws I broke down and bought a Stihl 271. It was like holding onto a dragster compared the other others that I had. Love it.
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Couldn't agree more. Turned to Stihl 8 years ago and haven't turned back. If you haven't discovered the carbide tipped Duro chains, I highly recommend them. More expensive to start but stay sharp a LOT longer --- only downside is you need a diamond tipped sharpener. My local shop does it for $8
I've got a 271,hate it, want run, about had a heart attack trying to start it. Oyea it's only about 2 years old I hate it 😢😢
@@lloydnewman5285 Sorry to hear this! Sounds like there may be something wrong with your carb if it isn't starting. Stihl's predictably start on the 3rd pull after priming, so what you're experiencing doesn't seem right. I would have it checked out. The non-stop pulling is awful, so I definitely empathize with you.
@@bradb_in_Iowa Thanks for the information, ℹ️ worked on Cummins mechanic for 40yrs, that was what I was thinking the carb, a friend of mine owns the shop I bought it from I talked to him about it I had it with me so he wanted to see if he could get it running he did after about 10 pulls, it was blowing alot of fuel out the exhaust he said I had gotten it flooded it had been sitting for 12hrs can't believe he didn't say leave it with me and I would check it out, he said nothing, I tried this morning it tried to start I took the choke off still nothing about Fed up with this 500.00 dollar saw, I still think it has a carb problem.
This just proves again, that Stihl is really a Brand you can put your money behind. My Dad has two of them Stihl Saws, a small one that by now...has got to be at least 20 years old, the other is a a bigger one, from their Farm Boss Series, and is about 15 years old, both run as smooth as the day they came out of the factory.
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Stihl is the brand most of the pros use, which tells you a lot
I have a smaller and older echo and I’ve put that saw through hell and it refuses to quit. It might not cut as effortless as my newer and larger stihl but the abuse it has taken cutting wood larger than it should be has made it a good buy. Maybe I got lucky with this one but that little echo has impressed me. Can’t go wrong with a Stihl though if you have the money.
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One thing about Stihl and Husky saws, you can go to places like red beard for engine porting for extra power, West Coast saw for better dogs, clutch cover, mufflers.
And there's a ton of parts out there for when you need to rebuild it. Crank seals, pistons, rings, jug, carbs, etc.
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My dad bought a Homelite XL12 back in 1978 when we got a woodstove and it's still running strong to this day. It's really an incredible saw.
Early homelights were torque kings and throttle responsive. Excellent saws
@kram that's my name too! Does the home light have a little switch on top. My mechanic going some old abandoned chainsaws and the. 1982 home light cranks up with a minimum of work
@Richard Chase Yeah, they were. I have an XL that is blue. It will cut with any of them, but I after several hours, I will take my Stihl 026 pro or 066 mag.
@@richardchase4019 homelite made good saws but tried to go cheap in the 80s and soon were out of the competition.
I owned one for years; didn't use it all that much but it always started and ran well, even after sitting for a long time with old gas in the tank. My son still uses it today.
Not surprised to see Stihl on top, even after testing this thorough. I've always owned Stihls but this test just makes me feel really good about my last purchase.
Great job as always, Todd. I can't even begin to talk about how much money and time your channel has saved me over the last few years!
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We use hardwood to heat our house and my dad has owned the same Stihl saw for over 20 years with no problems cutting in either extreme heat or cold.
Yea and it's even one of their homeowner "cheapo" saw lineup, not their pro models. Still very good and reliable saw, just harder to repair/work on due to the clamshell design and plastic case compared to the pro line.
I think Stihl has always been the top dog for chainsaws....followed closely by Husqvarna, and 3rd being Echo. Those box store saws just don't last long....and in my experience those Poulan saws are pure garbage don't even waste your money and time with one.
One thing I would like to see, a follow up on availability of service parts and repair parts?
I kinda knew the Stihl would be on top and having experience with Stihl also know you can get cylinder/piston kits, crankshafts and seals to rebuild the motor plus new clutch etc.
Double the price is worth it for something that isn't 'disposable'
I doubt the same is available for the cheaper brands but would be interesting to find out about support?
Husqvarna used to have a real good reputation (30 years ago) but I have no idea what they are like now?
Thanks for the testing.
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
I'm glad you tested the starting pull force. I have a stihl saw, and while it cuts extremely well, You really have to pull that cord like you mean it to start it cold.
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Spend some more $ and get a Stihl with the compression release feature. Game changer.
i bought my husqvarna in 2009 and it's still running strong with very little maintenance. the only saws that i've worked beside that seemed to out preform mine were the stihls, but mine cost a few hundred less than a comparable stihl. i think they're both good saws and either are a good recommendation.
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The first one has a Rim Sprocket, like Echo uses. It's a superior design to the typical clutch flywheel/gear. The rim sprocket design uses a harder metal and prevents notching the clutch wheel (superior tension control and no chain jumping the bar.) Im impressed to see it on a cheap import.
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Rim sprocket is a necessary upgrade on any saw that doesn't come with one.
Well said
My Echo 600p has that Sprocket, I have had good luck with the Echo and was surprised it didn't do so well; honestly the 400 series looked a bit cheaper than the larger saws like mine did. I have always thought Echo, Husq and Stihl all made great saws though.
@@dogleg6669 how did i live without it! Since i got one i dont want to go back. I last paid 36usd for a stihl star shaped clutch flywheel gear