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At eighty I just bought probably the the last chainsaw I'll buy. I've owned three different brands through sixty plus years of cutting firewood. I should clarify three brands/ I've only had three saws in all the time. Still have the #3 which is a Husqvarna 61 and just add a little Echo cs130 for limbing out. This is the second Echo the first I loaned to a cousin and some how fell a tree on it; was told he'd get it repaired and never saw it again! And that was at least thirty years ago and I was so impressed with that Echo I had to try another one but I don't loan out my saws anymore!
And as for how fast they cut doesn't concern me as to years of service!
My first saw if i pulled out of storage and tuned it up would still cut wood today at sixty years old and not many can say that about their first saw.
If it's made in China, i don't want it. I'm not one of those guys that requires all my stuff to be made in USA, but I don't want stuff made in China if I can avoid it.
I'm 100% with you on that!
I only support the country's who laid it down for us!
you buy jap cars
Thank you for saying what I was thinking!
So you buy a shivy, ford, dodge, and replace 50 % of the parts ..... with what? look at Timken bearings they closed 10 plants the ones left assemble what's made in china ,
I chopped for a friend in the eighties another friend with saw shop convinced me to buy integrated ear muffs and face shield dropped large oak a dead standing hemlock that I couldn't see had a long branch from the oak wrapped around it hemlock came down from behind me gave me a glancing blow on side of helmet almost knocked me out still have scar tissue in neck but would have been dead without helmet in my opinion great video
Most serious cutters buy stihl or Husqvarna saws and take them to the shop for a tune. These saws are used 5 plus hours a day cutting timber. Little different than a home owners use. Cheap saw works great for a while, when it's don't you can't fix it, no parts...
I have a 52 cc Chinese saw from Amazon that I paid $106 delivered to my door. So far, I have cut down seven trees and bulked them into firewood. The largest tree I cut down was 24 inches in diameter. I’ve had to replace the pull start assembly and the four screws that hold it on. That cost $12.00. I replaced the spark plug before I ever started up the saw. The spark plugs that came on my saw can damage the coil. I found that out by researching the saw, before I bought it.
If you buy one of the 52 cc Chinese chainsaws like mine, put blue loctite on the four screws that hold the pull starter assembly on the saw. Check all screws and make sure they are tight. If not, the screws will vibrate out. My saw has performed faultlessly since replacing the pull start assembly. My son has purchased three of the cheap 52 cc saws so far. He has several Stihl saws, but they got too expensive to repair. Follow the break-in instructions to the letter. 20 to 1 mix for the first ten hours and 25 to 1 after that.
For the casual user, the cheap Chinese saws are okay, if you have at least some mechanical ability. I have a 23 year-old Poulan saw that still runs. I’ve had to replace the fuel lines on it and gone through a couple of bars and multiple chains. I use it to cut stumps below ground. I buy 3 chains for $21 on Amazon. My son cuts trees for firewood. He burns wood to heat his home. The Chinese saws are working for him. I only process about one cord of firewood a year for a fireplace at our cabin.
Before buying any cheap chainsaw, do a little research on CZcams to see what users say about that particular saw. That’s how I learned to replace the original spark plug with a good quality spark plug, before using the saw. My son recently told me the 52 cc saws are now down to $89 on Amazon.
One last note: the last two professional tree cutters I hired to take down trees charged $2500 +$2000 =$4500. I gave the last guy a $500 tip, on top of the $2000, because he did a great job. I can buy a lot of $100 saws for that kind of money. So far, the $120 I’ve spent on a cheap saw has saved me around $2000 for 7 trees. I’ll still call the professional for trees I don’t feel comfortable taking down myself.
This is the kind of comment that I look for. Thanks for the info.
I have owned an MS250 stihl for years. Cut no telling how much wood with it. We used it around our sawmill bucking logs to length and we now use it in our tree trimming business for larger work in the bucket. Its not a "Pro" level saw but does a great job and is very durable and long lasting. Even got it stuck in a cut up in the bucket, talking with ground and forgot i hadn't unharnessed it from teh bucket before i boomed down. Bent the bar badly but didn't hurt the saw. New bar and it works just fine.
If you only need to make a few cuts, or a few trees the china stuff will probably work. Just like Harbor freight tools. But if you know you going to be using it for years to come, Stilh or Husq is probably a better choice even if its homeowner grade. Or go used pro grade.
Congratulations on supporting the Chinese communist government. I will buy American made Stihl.
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I was in the tree trimming business, and used small saws for climbing. I started out with Homelites which in those days were pretty good saws, but then when the firewood craze came along in the late 70's, they went down hill fast as they were mass producing them and selling them in every hardware store. I switched to a Stihl pro model with top handle, a real trimming saw, which was a pain to take apart, but there was no question it far surpassed the Homelites in power, weight, and engineering. Now I'm in my 70's, still cutting firewood with this old tree trimming saw, it just won't die. You get what you pay for.
I have an 020 top handle I bought used about 50 years ago, runs great today after countless cords of firewood. Not ideal size for firewood but it still works.
Thanks for the video.
I think you’ll find the cheap saw won’t handle long term abuse.
I’ve got both pro saws and cheap saws, the pro product is more consistently reliable. If you cut a bit of firewood buying cheap is probably fine. If you rely on your saw to heat your home or feed your family you’re better off with a pro saw and keep the cheap one around for backup. Imo.
Cheers.
If you're right (questionable), then buy 2 of the budget saws... then you have a spare... and will have far longer overall life and uptime/availability than ANY single saw.
@@turbodog99 You'll still end up fixing both more often then a quality saw and spend more time trying to track down parts when you need too fix them
@@Morpheen999 Ya, I'm a old chainsaw mechanic who worked for a timber company. We used Husqvarna when I first got there. 288's for the fellers and 268's for loggers / landing guys. Both were good but then the 288's started breaking cases and Husqvarna didn't warrantee them we we went to Jonsered. 270's which were basically same as the 268 Husky. Lots were same part numbers. Fellers used the 2077 Jonsered. Which came out turbo'd. The 2077 ran good but mufflers kept breaking off and other things made it hard for the cutters to get a 6 hour shift in and they hated packing them out of the canyons to get worked on. Then we went Stihl. Mostly 044's for both cutters and loggers. We tried the 046 and the 066 and both were good. Stihl's were lower RPM running saws and the users were used to hearing the Husky rev. Those extra RPM's were bad for the crank shafts. The early 044's we started using fried many of their cranks. Stihl came out with a new heavier duty crank that helped and I did a few things to keep the users from leaning the carbs out and frying the cranks. Once we got saws from over revving they lasted at least twice as long. I was curious a year ago and bought the chine made Stihl clone saw kits and put them together. They run and sound just like the Stihl original saws. What I have no idea about is longevity. I have a 066/660 I put together I haven't put a bar on yet. I ported it too. I am just not anywhere I can use it to test it. Possibly this Summer. The china saws are affordable. Even if you have to buy 3 of those for every 1 stihl original. You can say warrantee makes a difference but Stihl wasn't good about guarantees either. When a crank starts going bad it gets hot and turns the bearing and crank blue. Stihl would say the saw was leaned out and THAT was why it failed. I had set the RPM's with the stihl tool and welded the carb jets together so they were tamper proof and cranks still went bad. Not many but they didn't warrantee them. Put a new crank in and the RPM's were still where I had set them the first time. The problem with the china saws is it's hard to get a full wrap handle bar.
How do you figure thats true? I hear about problems with Stihl and Husqvrna all the time. I have the same experience with my husqvarna. It worked for one firewood season and didnt want to start during the summer 4 months later. Needed a new carb. Im not sold on over priced brands because some brand snob says a product is better. Even my echo is better than my husqvarna. The 62 cc Chinese Neotec knockoff is better than the husky too, I've ran it more than the husky and no issues. no need for a new carb either. Only noticeable difference is vibration and im not concerned about that in the least. If I need a new saw every 6 years I'll be buying abother chinese knockoff. $200 or $700? Brand snobs just love to waste money. @Morpheen999
I have a returned Ryobi chainsaw i bought used f o r $65.oo at home depot filled with gas and bar oil its never been a problem
I bought a 029 farm boss Stihl in 1994, Stihl running.
Bought my 029 the day after a hurricane hit us, Sept 96. Just some minor tuneups and filters and she has never spent the night in the shop!
Don’t know the year I bought my 029 but general mantience and it’s still going strong
I have a 20 plus year old 038 that worked in the woods, now is my firewood saw with a 32 inch bar. Still runs strong.
My Stihl 440 i bought new in Jan 2007 looks newish and runs like new. That is a great weight to power saw that rivals the new Stihl 400C/462 and almost matches the weight and power specs of the new Stihl 400c...the 440 has more torque and I have a 32 inch bar for big stuff. Saw is bulletproof and I could resell the 440 for the price on the original sales slip I still have. My MS 250 is all great and I bought that before 2007. My Stihl 192C lightest saw Stihl had is still cranking. None of my saws have been to a shop and I have done commercial logging, tree farming and still clearing land and cutting trees into firewood.
That Proyama probably will not make the 90 days and if it breaks where you going to get parts or find a dealer. You take a big chance on cheap things like this Proyama chainsaw because you never know what you will get and if it will work when you get it... there is no qaulity control. I have had good luck and bad luck with aftermarket Chinese stuff that i s extra cheap. I have made out though before... it is a gamble. If you want quality and no drama pay for the Husky or Stihl Pro saw. It will be lighter and more powerful and get work done instead of working on the saw.
Yes, bought mine in 1996 after getting hit with a tornado at our farm. Absolutely no parts were changed on it including air filter and spark plug until 2022.
It listed for $360 at my local hardware store. They had a coupon that the saw shop manager was refusing to honor. I argued with him until 10 minutes before closing and coupon expiration. After I read to him for the twentieth time: 15% off of any one item in the store - he finally relented to a point, and grabbed the display model without a bar cover and mumbled something about a reduced warranty.
I don't buy disposable products with no dealer or parts support and questionable material quality. For those on a budget you simply grab yourself an Echo Timberwolf and call it a day. Top notch quality and reliability, 5 year warranty, easy to obtain parts, available at Home Depot or online. If you're only going to need the saw once or twice just rent a pro saw...I loathe knockoffs/clones and other disposable junk from China. They vibrate badly, they need lots of adjustment, the ignition and switches fail after a year or so, the piston and cylinder quality is mediocre at best. There's no free lunch and you get what you pay for. I have four decades of experience with dozens of saws from around the world.
Dude, you look so much healthier than in December. Keep it up man!
Thanks a lot. I’ve lost a total of 58 pounds and feel much better.
Comments like this are motivating.
@@RockhillfarmYT❤
You got this!
@@RockhillfarmYT what are you doing to lose it?
Carnivore diet. I only eat beef, butter, bacon and eggs. Only drink water and black coffee.
Not only is it working, but I enjoy doing it. It also gives you a complete nutrition profile with no need for supplements.
I have the same one, the first thing that failed was the bolts to secure the blade, the second was the oil pump.... after about 1 day use
Howdy Brock! That Proyama looks to be a heck of a bargain depending on how it holds up. Glad you are doing the 90 day evaluation, be interesting to hear the results. For guys like me that don't cut wood every day or even every week, this sounds like a great option. Well done and thanks for sharing 🤠
Nice, fair comparison you did there, Brock. Thanks for that! The Proyama looks like it delivers a whole lot of value to a 'regular' homeowner/homesteader that just needs to cut a little firewood or clean up the occasional downed tree or limbs. Price-wise, it seems to be in the same ballpark as a Poulan Pro saw. Longevity will be the real test - but even at $260, you could buy a couple for the price of a single Stihl.
Take care and God Bless.
Novice Lumberjack just released a video on the exact same chainsaw today. He measured the stoke & bore, and it's no more than 62 cc at the most. Overstating cubic centimeters is typical of all Chinese chainsaws. Despite the deception, its potential of being a good value is still there.
Do these have the typical Chinese useless air filter?
@@jgz6989 Filter look superior to my Jonsered & Husky chainsaws.
@@driftlesshunter9200 Found another review on it: czcams.com/video/SbqieprPfig/video.html
yes, I was hoping someone would mention the lie of engine size these chinese zenoah clones report.
Thank you for this review and insight, it's helpful for me to hear from others as money is a definite factor in purchasing, however, the right tool is the aim.
Will definitely look to add this saw to our wood cutting line up. Enjoy your content.
It's Chinese garbage, you support communist?
Good review. Glad your channel is doing well.
I got the 54v 50cm but the batteries 15ah are 250 pounds each I bought 2 and saw 1000 pounds love it
Very much a chainsaw novice, and being only a gardener, I've been using a Husqvarna 455 Rancher. It has proved to be an excellent all round saw! I believe it can take up to a 24inch bar, which is more than enough for me!
That is really surprising to see a $250 saw perform like that. I'm sure it likely won't have the durability to work day in and day out like the Stihls, but not everyone needs that. Great video!
They can be a good saw for the money and many people cut quite a bit of wood with saws just like that.
Most homeowner saws die because of being straight gassed ,a gasket deteriorating because of age or burning it up by pushing on a dull chain. For the average folks durability won't be an issue.
@@modarkthemauler i agree! A gallon of 2 stroke is a lot of fuel for an occasional cutter or someone that needs only a cord a year.
I run a ms362. It’s on the smaller end of the pro line and rips a 20 inch bar really good.
Great video and very informative. I am new to chainsaws and looking for a larger saw to tackle my projects here in the Pacific Northwest but money is an issue. You’ve helped me immensely! I am very impressed with your Proyama
Don't buy a cheap saw! They work..and they can be fixed inexpensively, but the hassle of having to constantly adjust and fix them in the field, and the time you waste with stupid little things going wrong virtually every time you use them just isn't worth it. I bought an Echo Timberwolf asfter my fiasco with a cheap chinese saw...and I can just take it out use it with no constant hassles. You get what you pay for.
wait until you have to get parts for it ?..lol. huskie sucks ( just returned a brand new saw the very next day )..sthil is nothing like it was moons ago..well..unless you fork out a crap load of money and buy a pro version ?..but how many home owners can afford one of those ?. i caught where at the start of this video, he said he did not order or pay for this saw ?, then later into the video..he CLEARLY SAID..'' i ordered this saw ''..hmm..sooo..which is it ??..lol. i had one of the best brand name saws i have ever used..and it was a mac 3514, paid $ 99.99 , came with a case too !. and it finally gave up the ghost. it is a damn shame they went out of bizz, or i'd buy another one right now !. sthil is junk too..unless you buy a pro saw ?. everything made today is made in china..our nation has sold us out to china...and were too stupid too see it !.
I have a craftsman runs strong starts up with ease even after sitting up for months love it $289.00 comes with a case and extra chain and oil mix.
awesome testimonial!
An Interesting informative initial review. For a non professional occasional tree cutter, this Proyama 24 inch might just be the ticket. Ultimately time and multiable expereinces will tell, subscribed!
Dang, Brock! It's been a minute since I caught a video. Looking good dude! You look a mite bit younger, man! Good for you. Keep it up!
Nice video Brock, I went to a 391 to the 500i has well, little bit of a jump ha
Brock that was a great comparisons and surprising. Thank ypu for putting that together
Mike, this saw is an excellent platform. I have owned one before.
@oakiewoodsman Mr Joe, for that price I may need to also
I may need to get and try that top handle proyama you got.
I've been running this pinkway for a few tanks of gas today and something still seems a little off with it. Not sure yet.
@@TheRustyGarageandHomestead you will just need to just run mine buddy
Yes sir i would love to give it a go@oakiewoodsman
@@TheRustyGarageandHomestead I’m am planning on using it this weekend.
Ya gotta wonder though, will these new Chinese saw last anywhere near as long as a STIHL or Husky or Echo. And are the parts easy to get to repair them
Hey Brock, the pro Yama chainsaw looks like it would be a very nice addition to woodcutting. Great video.!👍🏻
That looks like an awesome chainsaw..seems to cuts very well..sounds good to ,I like it great video Brock
The big difference is which one will last 20yrs. And if they both last 20yrs which one is less work to make it last that long. I had a husky farm tough that lasted 20yrs without a single issue. Used it every fall to get firewood ready. And it always started. Ive had the stihl farm boss now for 5 yrs. And again every fall and not a single problem. Ive seen friends and others try the cheaper brands ( craftsmen etc) and have way more problems in the first yr or two. And they def dont last as long. Unless youre a professional who cares about which saw cuts faster. In not spending $1000+ to cut a log 10 seconds faster. The husky and the stihl were both around $400. And for the record when the stihl finally dies ill be getting another husky.
Yes many of the chainsaw you tubers are pros obsessed with performance a casual user simply has no need for a ported saw 😮
You need a ported Stihl 261...put hair on your chest. My Stihl 440 is a legend saw just like the Husky 372. Mine is a 2007 I bought new and it will match the low weight to high power just like the new Stihl 400C and has more torque for my 32 inch bar for big stuff. I do my own chainsaw mechanic work and have not brought saws to dealers for repair. Ex commercial logger, getting old and clearing land and cutting firewood.
@@imfree62 close but the 044 is the legend to judge others.😉😁
It only has to last 5 years then get another 😂😂😂😂😂
I really enjoy comparison videos. I do need a higher horsepower saw but not sure the cost of a name brand is worth it. Thank you.
Excellent video as always Brock. I'm still in the market for a homeowner saw, but I really need a pole pruner too.
I appreciate the kind words. Everything is so expensive nowadays and I want so many different tools.
invest into the dewalt battery pole saw, i love mine !. no issues as far as cutting ?, but i will say the bar oil will leak out if you lay the pole saw down ?, other than this..its a very good pole saw.
Looking forward to review after the long term use. Let us be honest, i doubt any pro would even look at a 250D Chinese Zenoah Clone. Interesting to see the followup.👍
I also skip the pipe also but I'm gonna start! I got a shard of met in my Eye a couple weeks ago from a self tapping screw. I didn't expect that.
I also love my 500i, it’s much more agressive than any other saw I own. I will be getting a 881 next week. I’m looking forward to trying it out.
I would like to
Your arms will stretch an additional 8 inches.😂
@@austindenotter19As I 661 user doing storm cleanup for days with a 36" bar I agree!
The next saw you should buy is a Farmertec. They have came a long way. They are Chinese and have some quirks but probably the best in the Chinese chainsaw market
Looks like it works well. Would be a good saw for a homeowner.
Well that works better than my cheap electric 16 inch saw. I am tempted to buy the Proyama but haft to wait a while the chain prices add up
Have used sthil for 25 years.....only 1 ms200 saw was a lemon. Older 036 still running...think was an 80's saw...blew up a 361 and replaced with a 460...got a deal on it for 600 bucks. Biggest saw is a 660 with a 36in bar think i bought it in 02 or 04.... Want to try the ms500i but cant afford it now
So my opinion is not going to be popular. We mow 150 yards a week. Stihl was all we used. It's pretty discouraging when half of your equipment is in the shop for repairs. Stihl is not the equipment it once was.
Same with MACK trucks. They are all JUNK!
None are that's the corporate corruption we live in.
Wait you are telling me everyone is outsourcing their manufacturing to China and cutting corners to make more money or just st stay alive because everyone else is so you ha e to to be competitive no I have never heard of such a thing
It’s possible your repair shop is not what it used to be…
Is it bad that Stihl is half as good as it was but they're still twice as good as the rest of the brands?
That Proyama looks like its just what i need.
The Proyama has a nice price point for a larger displacement saw. Only time will tell as to the longevity of the China made saw. It will probably hold up for awhile for the average homeowner that uses it on occasion. For every day all day use, better stick with proven saws like Stihl & Husqvarna. This Proyama was pretty impressive in this short test and for what I do around the property may be a great saw to have on hand. Thanks for comparison video Brock!! Keep up the great work! I look forward to your videos daily 🤑
I have a 200T,an 038 magnum 2 and an 066. They all run great and didn’t cost much to acquire or maintain. I’ve spent money on west coast saws mufflers for the 200 and the 066,that’s it😊
I have Stihl 192C, MS250 and Stihl 440 Magnum. I do my own chainsaw mechanic work and never have Stihl work on them. I have used those saw commercial logging and could sell each one, especially the 440 for near what I bought them new for in 2010 and earlier.
I have Echo, Jonsered, and the pain in the bottom Mccullock Big Bear and mini MAc and tiny Mac from back in the 1990s. Those saw made me start buying Stihl Pro saws.
@@imfree62 cool. I have a wall hanger McCullough 3-25 that I bought for 75$,it’s pretty neat.
I have had incredible results with Sthil..... Have 261 and 400 now. Like the Mg piston on 400.. Would like a 500i one day.
We use stihl for that majority of our small equipment... nice to have an on the ball dealership with in a stones throw also ..... thanks pics motor clinic fonthill
Yup, not to many Proyama shops around lol. Parts must come over on a slow boat from China for the Proyama.
Use the $250 to put towards a Stihl or Husky Pro saw and you will be way happier and productive...plus you will get most if not all of what you pay for a Stihl or Husky Pro saw years or decades latter.
@imfree62 so the frame of reference I use in a video like this is not for a professional, but a homeowner.
The homeowner probably runs their saw once a month on average, and has never taken a saw to have it serviced or replaced parts on it
I bought myself a new sthil weed wacker, long ago. My neighbor said why would you pay so much? I asked him what he paid for his cheaper weed wacker, he told me, then I asked him how often does he buy one, he said about 2 to 3 yrs. I said so my Sthil is cheaper, as I've been using mine for 15yrs and it still runs great. You've bought 5 or 6 over the same yrs.
I was a stihl guy never tried a proyama but i run husqvarna and climb with a echo 2511 mainly
Looks like a bark box on your 500i.
I run a 661 with an Egan straight shot. Love the sound and the saw can breathe.
Your 391 needs one!
The Proyama sounds much healthier, its stock muffler is definitely more open.
i got a 92cc 36 inch neotec china saw for 495.00 to my door its powerfull and fast. so far i cut 40 full coards of wood at 1/3 cost of a new stihl.
Husqvarna farm boss $400.
Husqvarna 365e
special $650
Eco 300 series top trigger climbing saw, $386
eco up lift saw $467
Wild thing, 16in for small limbs, $279
Don't forget new saw needs a break in.
I got holzforma g660 for planking. Planking is rough on a saw. Runs well.
I have a 20+ Year Old Stihl that's a beast and never been in the shop! How long will the cheap saw last? ( Plus I can get replacement parts if ever needed.)
I run two 42cc Poulan 18" saws, love them and am standardized on them ( I literally own ~ 35 chains (18"-62L I sharpen)...but bought a third 52cc 20", chinese saw for $102. cause the price was so enticing and i just had to know for myself (not what others thought); since I've cut thousands of trees with well-cared w/ these light duty 42cc saws...runnning them as industrial saw...for long hours. The 52cc chinese safety kick-back spring...was dragging right out of box had issues, and could not fix or adjust the dragging. I ran it as-is, dragging hoping it would heal iitself and wear-in. But the spring got so hot it melted it's plastic keepers and finally broke loose after two runs...I had to remove the safety spring guts altogether and have been running the saw w/o safety kickback chain-lock for three years now. Do I want to do that?...No.... but chainsaw is decent enough and cuts well...starts super easy. (i like that), a bit noisy, ear-plugs a must...I just think of it a pre-1970's chainsaw without the safety-bar-chain stop feature. I just have to be careful..no overhead cutting. From what i saw, I must have bought the early-first generation chinese saw...because what i saw that spring was dragging on the clutch housing....even after reset. Everyone must have had issues on those early ones. Difficult to remove and modify spring steel bends and clips reas after the fact....safety bar feature was definitely an after-thought that wasn't tested out....smoking metal to metal- red hot- when in cutting mode....dragging engine down too. safety-brake was 35% engaged out-of-the-box.
I've owned Husqvarna saws for fifty years. I have five saws. All start on one pull. The Proyama looks interesting. I might buy one just for the heck of it. Thanks for your review. BTW, I subscribed, because I think you are honest and a straight shooter. My kind of folks. 😊 Shalom/gw
I appreciate it. I’ve been wanting to get my hands on some Husqvarna sauce to compare to my stihls
@@RockhillfarmYT I got the Proyama yesterday. Looks really good. I plan to run it this week. Stay tuned! ;-)) Shalom/gw
The Proyama started on the first three pulls and only one pull when warm. Cut like a demon. If it holds up, it's a winner. Thanks! Shalom/gw PS Always do what you think is right. God and your friends will understand. Don't worry about the rest. Shalom/gw
I grew up using the cheaper saws. If you keep the chains sharp and the bars straight and true they cut great and are a good value. My issues most often began with trying to restart a saw during hot weather. Outdoor temperatures in the 80’s, run a full tank of fuel through the saw, stop and refill- saw won’t start 😮. Since switching to Stihl 25 years ago, I’ve never had this problem again. Something like this scenario should be in your 90 day test protocol. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.
I cut for years with a poulan wild thing. That little saw made a lot of firewood. I have some big saws but I still rely on my little saws to cut down on fatigue. I spend a lot of time carving up trees so I can use as much as possible. My wood piles don’t look picture perfect but they still give the same heat. I do spend good money on quality wood stoves. Yep, there is where the money really goes to work.
Crack your fuel tank in hot weather before starting sounds like vapor lock
@@HubertofLiegeYeah, we always tried that- rarely worked 😮. YMMV
I have an old 025, it starts and runs great unless you let it run out of fuel. On refill it will not start.
Talked to a Stihl dealer and his advice was, “don’t let it run out of gas”.
LOL back in my youger days I ran the cheap saws in the 80 plus temps. I can remember throwing my three Mccullock Timber Bear and Mini MAc and Eager beaver or whatever into the woods because none would start and i was sweating a river. All Pro Stihl saws for me the past couple of decades and I am happy. A stihl 440 magnum is a beautiful saw to run and own.
I grabbed an Echo CS590 probably 5 years ago or so when I needed to take down a tree and do some storm cleanup. I use it maybe once a year and it always fires up easily. I just couldn't bring myself to pay stihl money for their "equivalent" saw with less metal and seemingly lower durability. Interesting to see even cheaper options, hopefully they continue to improve. Having a dealer network/easy access to parts though IMO is a good argument for the echo/husky saws. cheaper than Stihl but still well supported.
Echo is everything Stil is and more.
@@W1ldt1mno way
Seems like about 60% of professionals run stihl. Pretty much everyone else runs Husqvarna. I would say the guys doing this for a living. Have a reason for doing that.
@@RockhillfarmYT I’d say that’s mostly because Stihl has the biggest dealer network and husqvarna was in the big boxes. Lots of guys near me run echo because there was a really good long time dealer nearby. From what I’ve seen they start more consistently in all weather conditions and run faster for the engine size.
I enjoyed the video. Thanks for doing the comparison. Two quick questions:
- Did you tune the carb on the Proyama prior to your comparison (I'm assuming you have previously tuned the 391)?
- Any mods on the 391?
2 things I would like to see on that saw manual oiler & Dawgs
Great Video Brock! I am not at all surprised with the results.
The Proyama for clarification is a Zenoah Clone which I believe became Redmax and Husqvarna now owns them. In Japan, you can buy the brand new Redmax based on the same platform and they are quite pricey.
Parts are very plentiful due to the popularity of this saw around the world. There can be some variation in plastics and recoil starts but overall, not too bad to service of need be!
Redmax were somewhat popular with Jonsered guys, because they were similar to Jonsered saws (but made by Zenoah). Thus, when Husqvarna dropped Jonsered, Redmax sort of filled that void for a few years. I no longer see Redmax chainsaws offered on their website. They still carry other products, but chainsaws are gone. My local Jonsered dealer sold Redmax, but he's stuck selling Efco or something else now. I am not a brand loyalty type of guy, but I wish Jonsered & Dolmar were still being made. Dolmar was the oldest gas chainsaw company in the world. It was sad to see Makita kill that. Like the Novice Lumberjack, I like red chainsaws! LOL!
@@driftlesshunter9200 I’m a EFCO still around?
@@oakiewoodsman My neighbor just bought one last year from the same dealer I mentioned. Places like Northern Tool sell them, but they are not really a cheap option. 60+ cc Italian Efco is $700+. My neighbor likes his saw, but it was a smaller one that he shared with me. You will find chainsaws on Efco's website, but not Redmax's website.
@@driftlesshunter9200 I just assumed they weren’t around any longer. They sound as if they are comparably priced to Stihl and Husqvarnathen.
@@oakiewoodsman They offer two series (homeowners & professional somewhat). Everything is under 65 cc, however. Echo is probably a better value in my opinion.
Sorry I'm late I was busy hooking up my trailer and farm stuff and I am driving now to go pick up some stuff that I want some farm auctions
Sounds like a good day. I’m driving four hours to a farm show.
I would like to thank you for what you did at Doss farms. I’ve been watching him since Adler was in diapers. I absolutely am going to enjoy your channel. I know it. I mean, really, what red blooded male doesn’t like watching excavators, chainsaws, skid steers and such doing what they do!
Good morning Brock. After watching yesterday's video I had a hard time coming up with a solution to your problem. There were a lot of good ideas in the comments but I was concentrating on how to get the rocks or whatever you used to shore up the island out to the island and I came up with this. Maybe it's a crazy idea but what about borrowing or renting a floating dock to place perpendicular to the island and using the mini skid steer or if that's too heavy a motorized wheel barrow to move the stone out there? It's just food for thought. And I'm just trying to help. But if it works, is it really a bad idea? 😁 God bless and have a wonderful day. 👍👍🙂
I bought the 62cc 2 yrs ago and I loved it so much that I went ahead and bought the 68cc this spring. Bang for the buck is unbeatable.
I swapped the original bars around and I use the 18" and 20" bars with the 62cc and run the 22" and 24" with the 68cc.
They say it's a 68cc but I kinda remember the 391 (63 or 65cc IIRC) being more powerful than this, even with a 26" or 28" bar.
8 yrs ago I inherited my dad's saws (worked on his ground crew in college). Kept a few, sold most (all these saws were already 5-20+ years old back then) but IMHO, most of these "vintage" professional saws would outlast and outlive pretty much whatever you can buy today.
PS: don't bother with the PPE gear included with the Proyama kit, it's toy-grade crap. Use it on Halloween night if you truly must!
The original was the Zenoah Komatsu G500 AVS, the 50cc chainsaw from the late 90's I have learned tree felling with and after 25 years that thing has still more torque than most 50cc chainsaws I own. Cylinder, piston and cranks are of japanese top quality and far superior to the Mahle components that used to supply Stihl (not anymore). Blue prints of the 25cc G2500 (the best 25cc back then) were bought by Husqvarna, since they couldn't come up with something competitive, and became the T425. Zenoah Komatsu no longer makes the G500AVS unfortunately and I suspect the components in these clones are not of the same quality. I paid good money for it back then and it was worth every dollar
I was intrigued by a 100 dollar chain saw K-Mart had on sale. It lasted about 2-e hours of work then the engine seized.
That was about 2007.
I thought it started second pull every time but like the videos
Enjoy the videos Brock
I like Farmertech . Yes they make old clone’s from Husky and Stihl
Hi, Based on your review, I ordered a Proyama 68cc chainsaw from Amazon and it came today. I have been cutting firewood for fifty years. I was a Husqvarna dealer for eight and a
half years. I serviced all chainsaw brands. except McCulloch (yuch). I run Husqvarnas exclusively. Why? Because I think they are the best. To wit: My original 44 Rancher and 380CD, are running as good as when I bought them in 1977. Don't get me wrong, there are good saws on the market like Stihl and Dolmar (now Makita). But IMHO, Huskies rule and are excellent saws. The form fit and finish of the Proyama is excellent. I hope it runs great and holds up. I'll let you know what I think after I run it for a while. Thanks again for your review. 😊 Shalom/gw
Who owns Mcculloch now ????
@@davidhodgson5108 ummm..i did..but after 20-30 years..they finally died, and if they were still in bizz today ?, i'd buy them again. Mcculloch invented the chain saw as far as i remember ?, and no one could touch them. too bad they went belly up. and for the record ?..they always started, and never gave me one issue at all !. keep in mind, even stihl and husky saws are made in china, unless you buy a pro version ?. every damn one of them are junk.
@alanshaw4655 I think you've took this the wrong way, I own mcculloch saws and run them most days ,I actually meant who owns mcculloch the company , Husqvarna bought them in 1999 I believe. Sach Dolmar made the first petrol saw by the way.
On the matter of outboard vs inboard clutches, there are a number of variables involved, but most of it boils down to a couple of things. Inboard clutches are easier get the chain in and off of. Outboard clutches allow for a smaller crankshaft bearings because the pressure from a tensioned chain is applied closer to the bearing. Inboard clutches allow for a more robust chain brake that is built into the power head. Outboard clutches require the brake assembly to be in the clutch cover which tends to have less structural integrity.
along with heat dispersion.
@iffykidmn8170 I'm not as familiar with that element if things, but if your clutch is making heat, something is wrong.
@@zaccheus acts as an open heat sink vs buried inside the case, does your bar and chain create heat? what is the chain in contact with besides the bar?
@iffykidmn8170 When a saw is sharp, the heat leaves with the chips. I don't believe the clutch is designed to cool the chain. I've certainly never noticed a temperature difference between inboard and outboard clutches.
@@zaccheus I never said anything about a design feature but perhaps a possible side benefit, does the bar and chain not create a certain amount of heat just piss reving out of the cut. have you ever actually checked the temperature difference between the two with a thermo gun? I have not so will leave it to others who have.
Hey Brock. I follow you and top fan on Facebook and now on CZcams as well! I hope I win this Proyama Chainsaw cause I could really use this for my business cause I need a one this size for my business and would love to put it to work. Looks like a great saw!! Great review! As always thanks for the video!!!
Your chainsaw collection is AWESOME and you should be PROUD of it. $5,000 spent on a business/hobby is NOTHING. IMO The high-end saws will: 1) last a lot longer with fewer problems 2) be a joy to use 3) re-sell for half or more of their original cost. The cheap saw will most likely: 1) last about a year 2) not feel as nice to use 3) be worthless for resale right away.
You spent all that money on saws to find out you needed a good saw! Buy once, cry once.
I bought a Husqvarna once. Still crying.
You are parroting a statement made by other armchair enthusiasts, cutting firewood you need more than one saw. You have saws for trimming, saws for bucking, saws for large tree felling. You also need chain in rolls and tools to rivet them and also tools to sharpen them. Add it all up and you have a small fortune!
@@biggysground Yes, I am parroting the statement because it applies here. I just said he spent all that money to find out he needs a good saw, not one saw. Buy as many saws/bars/chains as feasible but stay away from plastic crankcases and junk prosumer equipment if you want it to last in heavy use.
@@FarmBossSaws "Buy once, cry once" Applies to buying one time and not choosing different saws, please learn correct English when replying and type what you mean.
@@biggysground You can easily get by with one saw for cutting firewood and you don't need rolls of chain and riveting tools.
I have a 62cc chinese saw that looks to me like a clone of the German saws my father used back in the '80s by Dolmar. It isn't the level of quality or ruggedness of those old saws but man does it rip for a saw with a 20" bar on it that costs like $120. It handles a full plunge of the bar in oak no problem. The saw it replaced, a Poulan Pro, really had to be babied. I'm so glad I got rid of that thing and bought this one. So much nicer. Power-wise it holds up well to some older Stihl's I've used before.
By now, someone has probably mentioned that you should hold the bar up when adjusting the chain.
Looks like the husqvarna 372XP clone. I have one, great saw.
Definatley weak power band saw but for theweeekend wrrior of farm use the short life of these saws is fine. I would rather spend a tad more and but a better clone saw from Neotec in the 70 cc range.
Cheap saws are awesome.
All saws are awesome really
A few thoughts. Starting a saw and using it at full power within 2 seconds will kill your saw. You want that engine to warm up. Also, when doing comparisons like this its great to see options but what can't be done in a few minutes of video is see how well something lasts over time, how much hassle it is to maintain, repair etc. If a cheaper tool causes three times as much downtime, it won't be long before that tool has cost as much as a more expensive/higher quality item. So I appreciate the effort here but think its important we keep the perspective that there is only so much a video like this can show so take that into your decision making process.
I am a STIHL man, and will remain a STIHL man, and I do not care how cheap another saw is. If I had to choose another, I would choose HUSQVARNA. I will pay the price for proven quality. Go by your cheaper saws. I will stick with the best.
My dad gave me his old McCulloch pro mac 610. It's a few years older than me and wasn't run in decades. Put some fresh gas in it, added some starter fluid and it kicked right over. Added seafoam to the next tank and it's been running great.
Its a little heavy but a great saw. Run it out of gas before you store it and it'll probably run forever. Can't beat free. Company folded years ago but still a lot of them out there.
A lot of the old-time guys love those
You causing me PTSD. I bought the TImber Bear, MIni MAc, and Eager Beaver and worked in 80 plus temps in the early 90s and those saws caused me so much hassle. I threw all three in the woods after sweating like a river trying to get just one to fire up. All Stihl pro saws for me for decades and I am happy. Never get rid of my Stihl 440, 250 and my little light 192C.
@@imfree62 I've found it can be pretty sensitive to oil:fuel ratio. 30:1 to 40:1 seems to be sweet spot. Stihls seem to run better with 50:1
From what I have been told the external clutch is easier to service and run cooler than the internal clutch.
Husqvarna run and external clutch.
I've ran both Sthil and Husqvarna and prefer the Husqvarna over the sthil any day.
Seems good enough.
Interesting chain of events
The old Partner 5000s are like that. The chain stop I mean.🤔 I think you are suppose to run your saw with a rich mixture for the first tank for break-in. maybe 40:1 instead of 50:1
All saws need to warm up if not the piston gets hot and gets bigger before the head and hits the walls
I have 2 poulon chainsaws a 16 in that is 30 yrs old and a 18 inch that's 15yrs old both still work and a lot of hard Texas heat hours. A lot of chains and bars and only 2 cluthes
Both of the size that you're comparing need exhaust modifications so that they do not bog down when they are put under power and cut
It sounds different.
More open muffler, and mabe better air flow.
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Possibly a non strato saw, basically an emissions thing where part of the air goes in to the chamber before being mixed with fuel.
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With the exception of a few big cc saws made by major brands, there generally all strato now.
With the exception of the 70+ cc saw made by echo.
And mabe the dolmar/maketa saws.
3rd gen. tree guy here. you paid way to much for that 500i just 3 weeks ago i got one for 1200 . 500i and 660 in this day and age are the only stihls worth having. husky 540i, 540 markiii, 550 markii. best saws on the market have and had them all. They just done make things like they used to. still have an stihl o46 from 1991. never one issue.
What are the parts availability options for that saw
No mention of chain condition in this video. New chains can be of different sharpness. Better to have sharpens both chains.
I like my smaller poulan wild thing.
Cuts its cost g how long it lasts.
Quiet too
I've had the same Proyama for a year and no complaints what so ever.
Some observations here. It appears that the 500i has a Bark Box muffler on it so it's not bone stock. The Proyama, although stock, sounds like it's muffler was designed to allow more exhaust relief like the Bark Box, which in turn increases horsepower slightly. The 391 with a Bark Box on it, might out perform the PROYAMA... Just saying...
Dolmar is an excellent German made saw. They can flat out saw the wood. German made is some of the best you can buy!
Once it sinks in to people that it only costs Stihl about $75 (if that) to make that chainsaw they're charging $1800 for. You'd by a Proyama without batting an eye, just based on principle.
Only those people who have no conscience and don't mind supporting a brutal communist regime.
so what does it cost to make a Proyama $1.25?
@@iffykidmn8170 Probably.