10MM vs. 357 SIG
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- čas přidán 14. 12. 2019
- Penetration test between the 10MM, and the 357 SIG.
Ammo used:
Sig Sauer Elite Performance 10MM 180gr fmj.
Sig Sauer Elite Performance 357 Sig 125gr fmj.
Firearms used:
Glock 20 Gen 4 4.6" barrel
M&P 357 fullsize 4.25" barrel - Sport
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357 sig is really underrated and over looked by alot of people. 357 sig ammo can cost alot but if you know where to look you can get 50rds for around the same price as some other calibers.
Just got to beware of what ammo your buying.
The same goes for 10mm. Much of it is loaded for under 1100 FPS with a 180 gr. bullet. Sig and MagTech are at least medium loads. American Eagle is loaded to 1030 FPS. Winchester is loaded to 1080 FPS. That is according to the box, not a chrono in my back yard.
I got a box of +p 357sig for $19.99 truth be told though, bulk buying .357sig is expensive. Really expensive. Lowest price I've found is $0.37/round and that's FMJ ammo. Hollow points get up around $0.88/round.
I've seen .40 just as hot as 10mm these ammo manufacturers are full of shit ..give us what we pay for ...and we want ..
@@jasonvoorhees2701 thank you!! 10mm is 💩 unless you’re loading your own. Just get +p .40 and get the same velocities, even better if used in a carbine pistol! My ar.40 pistol build showed around 1600 ftp on the chronograph using Fort Scott 125 gr! With Glock 21 460 Rowland conversion kits cheap, there’s definitely no need for a 10mm these days.
You finally did it. This is the video I've been waiting for.
My heart always leans toward 10mm, love these video clashes between 10mm and everything else. The video made my day, thx a lot.
Thank you for taking the time to watch! 👍🏻
then cheaper but good....carry 7.62x39mm Pistol...Killed BEAR for sure without worry!
Love them both, but carry 357SIG.
.357 Sig for two legged animals,10mm for 4 legged animals.👍👍
Good philosophy. Thanks for watching!
@EABOY2600 , so was the 30-06, but is quite effective on North Americas big game.
10mm really can do both. 135-155gr for 2 legged vermin. 180gr for the thick skulled heavily muscled variety of 2 legged threats. And 200-220gr for 4 legged beasts. It’s truly amazing
Let’s all just settled this right now, and agree that the 10mm is the best cartridge ever made😀
@@igotthis449 My favorite is the 120mm AP, HEAT, and Sabot rounds, the 50BMG(13mm), 20mm, and 30mm, are my runner ups!😃
Speed penetrates more. I’d be highly interested seeing these two calibers compete with similar rounds of Underwood Extreme Defender. These use a copper bullet that won’t expand. The Underwood Extreme Defender comes in 90 grain 357 sig round, and a 100 grain 10mm round. You may need to have up to 20 + inches of fiberglass boards to shoot into. These rounds penetrate very deep.
Speed doesnt always penetrate more.
@@northernninety7 You’re right! When the projectile deforms (such as mushrooming), the increased friction can greatly affect penetration.
357 sig💪💪
10mm all day
Boom ! Been awhile glad to see you back at it !
Absolutely! Sorry for the wait. Thanks for sticking around! 👍🏻
I own a 32 and was wondering if the 10mm is that much better. Think I'll stick with my 32 357 Sig for now. Thanks for the video. Subscribed as well. 👍
357 sig is so underrated. It’s one of my favorite handgun calibers.
Wow. Great test! Same ammo manufacturer from almost same length barrels. I have some of that Sig 10mm for target shooting. Great for getting close to full power.. 10mm has just a tad more thump. Neither are a slouch. Best semi auto for carry IMO. Thanks for the test!
You know this fiberglass is a damn good ballistic baseline test. Good going, subscribed!
Yeah. It's pretty uniform with no variations in the material. Thanks for watching, and subscribing!
The Glock 10mm has polygonal rifling and a tad bit longer barrel so the .357 may have had a tiny bit more velocity in a Glock but prob wouldn't have been that big of a difference.Great comparison tho and both are very stout rounds.Love my .357 Sig's and gonna buy a 10mm for extra woods protection.
10mm is the best round in my opinion. Great for EDC and with just a mag change can be used for hunting or protection from big animals. Gotta get some underwood to get the best true 10mm
Good comparison! Those look like old Amoco (Standard Oil) self serve signs…. .357 is a very underrated round that is accessible as it can be shot from a gun designed for .40! 10mm is excellent but not everyone has a 10mm gun…
I love the 10mm round !
Bottleneck creates higher cartridge pressure and is a better design than straight-wall. The fact they are performing neck and neck makes .357Sig superior. Makes you wonder how a .40 Super would perform in this matchup.
Love your channel brother. Fantastic content!
Thanks for watching!!
I would've liked to see full power .357 sig ammo to see what it can do.
Good stuff. Glad you are pitting the 10 against 357Sig.
Have you seen the difference when you use only 4 panels?
I would be curious if the 20 sheets behind the first 3 are playing a major role. Thanks
Hmm. Well I'm going to try to do a new test tomorrow with these two rounds shooting through separated .125" sheets of aluminum. I will get that uploaded asap. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the test and video. You used the same ammo maker, I would recommend also using the exact same handgun maker of equal models, to alleviate any anomalies in the testing.
I like that technique you can really see how the bullets expanded. 10mm clearly made a bigger hole.
Sectional density has a lot to do with the .357's effectiveness. Comparing ft lbs is a good start but when that gets close, factoring other variables clears things up a bit
In the real life...Who can get CLOSER to a REAL BEAR then,,is a winner.10mm or 357 Sig very hard to say when come to REAL LIFE......Another good rounds 7.62x25mm for high rank officer from Soviet Union TT-33...Many stories about this good rounds that I hear from Russia too!
10mm all day every day. .357 SG is no slouch and very underrated but 10mm (esp. out of a G40 or a long-barrel G20) can be viable hunting round. I've been carrying a 10mm into the PNW backcountry for decades and the one time I needed it to put down a charging Moose... I was glad I had a 10mm.
How many rounds did it take?
What pills and grain
Thanks for Duel. Will definitely go with 357... was looking in to a 10 but u changed my mind... thanxxxs
Thanks for watching.
Very nice penetration test ,I think books and wodden planks are batter for penetration tests.You should also do a penetration test of Underwood solid copper ammo.
Also you just helped me pick what gun I’m buying next lol
I can tell you with experience that 357 SIG is an amazing contender against 10mm! Fired my first rounds of 357 SIG self defense ammo, and was absolutely surprised what a beast it really is…especially for factory ammo. I reload my own full powered 10mm of what it’s supposed to be, so I know what it’s capabilities are.
357 sig is hot🔥💯🔥🔥💯💯
Thanks for the video 357 Sig is my favorite
Both fantastic calibers, both will do the job perfectly. In my opinion, the two best calibers available for semi auto guns. I carry Glock 32 Gen 4 with Underwood 357 Sig 125gr JHP.
If I had to choose one of these calibers for carry, I would choose 357 SIG as well. I can put 16 rounds into a target a whole lot faster with the 357. Thanks for watching.
"The Penetration Channel", AWESOME!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
I'm satisfied either way. I use them both.
I don't own either caliber, But They were both really close and yeah it does seem that the .357 Sig had just a very little more penetration than the 10mm. I plan to own both in the future. I'm leaning toward the Sig Sauer P220 10mm full size. I already own the Sig Sauer P220 .45 ACP and like it really well. The Sig .357 is up in the air at this time. It's tough to decide but this video was a very good comparison of these two rounds. Thank for taking the time to make it!
Thank you for taking the time to watch it! 👍🏻 there's no question that the 10mm is a more powerful round, but both have their purpose, and perform quite well. I am eager to get some more testing done with these 2 rounds. Stay tuned!
That sig 10mm is pretty watered down. Get some Underwood hardcast rounds if you really want to see what it can do! I love both calibers though, .357 is no slouch!
Just so long as he does the same for the 357sig round...what's go for one is good for both.
Penetration depends on the round used. Can't judge these calibers by just one name brand rounds.
I love the way you put that core series back strap on that 1.0 M&P my boss just put one on my M&P 40
Would have been interesting if you would hove used the cor bon loading for the 10mm at 1600 feet per second instead of the 180 at 1250
Cool vid very informative and thanks for sharing!
The sig was moving faster by 100 feet per second. I would say if the 10 was the same speed it would cause much more damage. The whole was larger in the 10 which “may” equate to bleeding out more quickly. So if we went with a slightly lighter load for the 10 allowing it to move faster, the 10 would be the better round, in my honest opinion. I Love the 10 but the sig is right next to it !
Faster means better. That 357 round packs A better punch
Dude, did you tell us what kind of ammo you used? HP? Round nose? Flat point? Brand?
My G32 Gen4 arrives tomorrow...Already received my Underwood ammo for it. It was a toss up btw G32 vs G29 for my edc upgrade from G19. Just couldnt do the baby glock frame...
If I were going to choose between these two calibers for daily carry, it would definitely be the 357 Sig.
Thanks for watching!
I carry my ole Sig P229 with Gold Dots. I never feel under armed when we go out.
10 is King...!
Both calibers are great for personal defense. With the newer ammo we have today I wouldn't hesitate to carry a 9mm either. I've heard alot of good things recently
The Secret Service used the .357 Sig a while back, not sure about now, probably based on penetration.
I am leaning towards 357sig to get slightly faster follow up shots on target.The fast snappyness and recovery of the recoil I really like.Though curious to see a target of meat ,When I tested in water jugs the 10mm soaked me! love your channel maybe I mention to my subs if your into guns to come over your poeple if into gold prospecting check us out.we have shot up cow patties on occasion to hehe🤠
but was the 10mm full power 10 or watered down store bought
Try some winchester or Remington ammo for the next test. I just subscribed !! 👍👍 Nothing fancy . Just everyday joe ammo , that u get at your local shop.
10mm is a beast carry it in my G29 for edc. It’s the same length as my G19 and has the same grip with pierce grip extensions. 10 rounds of pure power!
expensive rounds to shoot!..(get G19)
But go to Alaska then carry G29 to save you and your family's life.
Get both guns G19 and G29 + Pazoka for some new animals that you don't know in Alaska ...( kkk)
If You (USA) don't know....7.62x25mm pistol rounds in Soviet union are very powerful rounds too.....Never try to shoot a bear yet BUT...hang the Police vest protection..guess what?? bullets go thru VEST!......From TT-33 (ugly pistol) but powerful and 7.62x25mm WITH LOVE FROM RUSSIA....
I carry a Glock 20 for EDC with 2 spare mags. I carry a mag of the 200gr noslers from underwood in the gun and 1 of my spares is the same thing and the other is extreme penetrators.
@@ThepDenNgoaiBien I have both.
10mm in G29 is 40sw in G22
I've got a Glock 20 & 29. What I like about the two and their relationship to the 10mm and .357 SIG rounds is that they are both out of the same cartridge, the .40 caliber. The 10mm is a .40 cal in a longer cartridge for more powder and the .357 SIG is a 9mm in a necked down .40 cal cartridge. So, with the G-20/29/40, you've basically got 3 guns in one; the 10mm, the .40 cal, and the .357 SIG all in one. To go from one to the other, all that is necessary is a simple swapping out of the barrel. Everything else is compatible from the magazine up to the barrel.
Ron Coon not quite. The 10mm case is beefier than the 40sw as well as longer. This allows for greater pressures. The 357sig is based off of the 10mm not the 40sw.
@@marthapugh5998, No ma'am. The 10 mm round is a .40 caliber and the .357 SIG is a 9mm in a .40 caliber necked down cartridge.
I like both the 10mm and the .357 SIG for self defense and the .40 cal for training.
@@roncoon3464 You are wrong the 357 is necked down from the 10. It is longer than the 40
Now do it with 124gr 10mm round @ 1600fps and see how they match up lol. Then it would be a fair comparison. Same projectile weight...
Hmm. I will see what I can find. Thanks for watching!
@@ThePenetrationChannel fort scott munitions 😉
Hell yeah bro very close to being Apples to Apples then
@@rodwspoon304 precisely. All these tests have been done already anyways. So you can find them here on CZcams. 10mm vs just about everything you can think of lol. Although navigating gun videos on this platform is becoming more difficult all the time with the censorship. There are videos of 10mm defeating IIIA soft and hard armor. Quite amusing and amazing.
124gr 10mm is too low of sectional density for 10mm caliber and would get outpenetrated every time by 357sig in FMJ or HP. I don't know about Fort Munitions because it's a fully copper bullet and results may be different, but it's not apples to apples. 10mm needs to be at least 155gr in FMJ for decent penetration. Here's a very good video where both are compared with some hot Underwood FMJ ammo vs pine boards:
czcams.com/video/390rkvxhpXw/video.html
The two best man stopping auto loader rounds
Can't forget about .45 acp
Try the 140 grain 357 sig
@@reginalddorsey6190 sounds good I definitely will, thanks
Man great content.... not sure if you'd ever do it.. but I'd like to see a head to head of the Fort Scott 10mm vs their 357 sig
I will see if I can get my hands on some. Thanks for watching.
@@ThePenetrationChannel btw good to have you back
Commercial 10mm is watered down, their true intent were supposed to be allot hotter/higher pressured rounds. Doubletap, Leigh high defense and reloads it’s we’re it’s at for the 10mm true powaaaa. Still not knocking the 357 sig it’s a hot round and plenty of Kinetic energy. Great video 🙏🏽👊🏽💪🏽
Thanks for watching! They are both very capable rounds.
I'm satisfied with my 10mm G29...RIA 1911 10MM ..And my mechtech upper that I use with my G29 lower....
I imagine so. Pretty nasty combination. Thanks for watching.
From a preparedness standpoint you’re going to need a better caliber selection, other than that I’ll like 10 mm as well.
@@kennyphelps1160 most firearm owners are going to have a variety
Great video of the 2 calibers. Consider Underwood ammo.
You should use the extreme penetrators from underwood. Theyre what alot of us use for bear defense they're hauling ass
I currently carry a P229 in 357 Sig
Using underwood ammo
2100 fps
784 ft/LB
1/8th aluminum sheets please consider using RBCD ammo for both calibers.
Maybe I might buy a 357 sig barrel for my g23 just to check it out great video bro
Thanks for watching! The 357 Sig is a great round. Though not as versatile as the .40, it out performs it in any loading from what I have witnessed.
So 5 of those panel can be use for pistol bullet resist best
The two best man stoppers
Full power .357 mag out performs both .357sig AND 10mm.
@@frankiegunnz8066 agreed I should of said in a Semi-auto. 357 sig comes within 75 feet per second on some rounds it’s a great round too
You need to use equal cross sectional density and equal barrel length.
Would be interesting to repeat the test with a space between panels and see if there’s a difference.
I'm sure the both of them would have much different results by spacing out the panels. I will have to give it a try. Thanks for watching!
The Penetration Channel , I’ve always heard it makes a difference in wood because the gap allows the splinters to clear and fall away. Not sure about fiberglass
I love 357 Sig...because I can carry it in a glock 19 size gun...G32
Augustus Heyliger Heh, I got the G33. Even smaller. It’s a fun combo to shoot.
It would be interesting to see the difference between the two on a solid piece of granite. Another interesting thing would be bowling balls.
I have a new test that Im going to try to upload this weekend shooting through 1/8" panels of 7075 T6 aluminum. Should be interesting. Stay tuned.
Drop the 10mm to 155 or 165 grain and it will outperform the .357 125gr every time and still have greater striking power!!
I've got a genuine SIG Sauer .357. Love it so far. I do need to point out that you fired the 10mm at the V and E on the sign. The 357sig was fired at the S and E. The 357 hit just a little bit harder and got just a tiny bit deeper. Nice display of penetration though. Should do like a tournament between the rounds. Do it in brackets. 357sig moves on while the 10mm is defeated in round 1.
: / UHH. ACTUALLY YOU ARE WRONG! HE WASNT USING GENUINE 10mm ROUNDS FOR HIS 10mm TEST! THERE IS NO WAY THE 357 BEATS THE 10mm IN SPEED OR POWER. THAT IS SCIENTIFIC AND SHOT FACT!
Too bad you didn't use a stronger Sig.357 round. I'd like to see this test done again with the Underwood 357Sig Extreme Penetrator or Minuteman ammo.
Awesome review now that I own a kriss vector in 10mm I gotta go with 10m hahaha great video brother 👍 salute peaceluv
Do you have another channel called 1973 spbr? This video is posted on another channel.
Nope. I will have to check it out. Thanks.
I would like to see you shoot those panels what you got 357 mag 44 45 308 556 30/30 12ga 👍🙂
.357 sig is KING
357 Sig, my preferred round for 17 years now....
Would love to see this test or one like it with Underwood ammo Sig ammo is pretty weak compared to Underwood ammo
Minute man ammo would be tad bit better than the underwood ...
moe238297 why do you think minuteman ammo would be better?
I bet you send him the ammo he’ll shoot it
@@coolvideo28 i saw a video where they were using minute man ammo and the numbers were higher than that of the underwood .. i have a g20 and i have a gang of underwood thats supposed to be hot but its not compared to my reloads ... imr 800 x is the best and bluedot make for the best loads but the minute man loads from the video were hotter than the underwood that i have and like i said my underwood is supposed to be hot
moe238297 I never used Minuteman I did take a look at there site and some of the 357 Sig had higher numbers then what Underwood has on the box but Underwood is faster then what they put on the box. I might have to try this minuteman ammo reviews I have found are really good. What numbers are you getting out of your reloads?
You don't see a difference between the 2 calibers???? How about the hole the 10mm made that was almost twice the diameter of the 357 sig?
10mm is a great round, but you pretty much need a full sized handgun for it. 357 SIG is adaptable and available in many mid-sized guns. H&K USPc, SIG P229, SIG P239, M&P compact, etc.
The hole seemed bigger on the ten in the first two signs. They both stopped at the same point. With using a small grain 10 vs a much higher grain 357. Lets make sense of this and realize 10mm is definitely and better round. More damage even in lower grain. So this video is not a fair comparison. But both rounds are not to be taken lightly.
What does 4 panels weight if light enough that would make a good plate for armor.
I would say each panel weighs roughly 1lb.
@@ThePenetrationChannel thanks
The 357 Sig is without question the superior round. Even though on this specific test, the two rounds appear to have penetrated the target somewhat equally, the fact is, the 357 Sig fires with higher velocity, and a flatter trajectory. In other words, more accurate than the 10 mm.
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Interesting 🤔
Valuable information if you ever get attacked by a gang of fiberglass signage
Every time someone ask me what's more important. Weight or speed? I always say a little bit of both. I think these 2 rounds teeter on both side of the balance scale and can't go wrong with either one. I really wish 357sig would have taken off more than it did. I remember when it was being developed I new it was going to be a bad mofo. unfortunately if its not picked up by a large portion of the police deportment or military it normally wont gain traction. 10mm ammo would probably be easier to find and few manufactures are offering firearms in 357sig.
Have em both like em both flip a coin! I will say I have tried Underwood 65GR 357SIG rounds and they absolutely are smokin!
Try rbcd 357sig 2410 fps and 774 ftlb of energy....they are VERY expensive though. If you want the best for 357sig that's the hottest stuff I know of...
@@jeffioiselle7982 Thanks!!!
180 grain FMJ out of a 10 is really weak compared to what you can get out of the caliber with other ammo manufacturers aka Underwood, Buffalo Boar or Cor Bon. To me the 180 grain is only good for plinking and has a recoil similar to the .40. I wouldn’t choose it for self defense or hunting. So many better options.
For penetration you should be using hard cast lead ammo.
I stick with my 10mm any day.
Interested with throwing the .41 magnum into the mix.
Ahh. 10mm vs .41 magnum sounds interesting. Thanks for watching.
“My name is Jeff”
Nice! A name that bestows greatness upon it's carrier. Thanks for watching!
I love how no gas station (or anything) has “full service” anymore!!! I can remember going to full service as a kid in the 90s. It was pretty exciting... I don’t think people really minded the cost considering what gas costs...
Up until a couple years ago, OR state had Full Service only. Couldn't pump your own gas. Now, I think you can do it, but most stations still have an attendant who roams the pumps and will do it for you. I'm from WA, so I'm not 100% sure what the deal is.
@@leathercoatguy Well, just go live in the wonderful state of New Jersey where you still can't fill your own car with gas. You must pull up and let an employee fill up your car. Not so bad in the winter when the wind is blowing at 25 Kts and the temp is below zero. But during the summertime, it's much faster to refuel your own car. Take your pain in the winter or in the Summer across our nation. Either way, you're going to take your pain.
Anyone walk around with a glock 29?
The 90grain Grizzly JHP 357sig is waaaayyy faster than the 10mm ❤
Not faster than Liberty Civil Defense Ammunition 10mm Auto 60 Grain
The double tap 135 grain or underwood 140 grain would be closer in comparison. If they are not frangible rounds.
Not really a close comparison, the 1/2" shorter barrel of the 10mm is loosing around 50fps as well as the added weight of the cartridge 180gr vs 125gr another 300fps, a total of around 350fps and that makes a big difference. If you could get both cartridges at around 155gr you would have a great comparison, but it was still worth watching thanks and keep shooting. God bless all free thinking Americans.
Wrong!! They need to be equal in cross sectional density. Not bullet weight. DOESN'T ANYONE HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS?!!!!
357 sig still gapped the 10 despite the shorter barrel. I feel pretty confident if the barrel lengths were equal the penetration difference would have been a bit greater.
You can’t go wrong with either one but the Sigs ticks more boxes for my needs .
Make a bullet proof plate out of them. Stopped at 3 plates. Impressive.
Why not compare with hotter loads for both calibers? Theres 10mm rounds that can produce 700 plus ft lbs going at 1500 FPS as well as 357 sig loads that match the same power.
nice comparison ....
Thanks for watching!
If they make 30 celber 90gr in 357 sig case will be best ammo
I didn't even know they made a M&P in 357 sig
Yep. It was part of their original lineup. I bought mine in 2009. Glad I got my hands on it.
Thanks for watching.
Sig loads there 10 mm decent but not near to what the 10mm was designed for. Most factory 10mms are down loaded. I have both 10mm and 357 sig and love them both
Me too must say I can get on target more accurately with my Glock 31 than my Glock 20, The thickness of the 20 takes getting use to