Cochlear implant: simulation on speech and music
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- A simulation / demonstration of what users of a cochlear implant hear, for both speech and music.
Demonstrates 1, 4, 8, 12 and 20 channel implants for speech, and 4, 8, 12 and 20 channels for music.
All audio for this video is from www.sens.com/he... -- the website has additional sounds for different sentences and pieces of music, as well as video so you can see what a difference being able to lipread makes: well worth a visit.
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As a cochlear implants user, I can assure you that implants DOES NOT sound like that to us, it might sound like this when hearing people are listening in (from that headphone you plug into cochlear implants) but it's completely different sounds inside your head. When we first get implants, it would sound like electronic-y, it's like starting all over again, putting words to sounds. The brain is indeed clever, we catch on. Each times our implants is getting turn up louder, we start to hear less electronic-y sounds and more human sounds.
Please, no rude replies, people in the comment were really rude... I'm only fifteen. I've had my left cochlear implant since 2011, I was in year seven, and my right side was in 2013, year nine (I think). My speech since year seven have improved so well. No one, I mean NO ONE, understood me, I hung around with the other deaf that I do not like at all, but as I got my second implants, my speech were much better but people who I've never spoke to before couldn't understand me most of the times. But now, I could talk to Siri (on apple products) and say silly things and she would understand me perfectly. I'm proud of how far I've come. I hope my 18 months old nephew turn out to be like me once he gets his implants, my sister never learned to use her implant well. (My dad has dominant genes so unfortunately we're deaf, I don't know if I have the gene in me, I hope not or I'm getting IVF cause otherwise we'll just keep on having deaf babies, and I don't want to put my kids through all that my sister and I went through, if I ever get one.)
... couldn't understand me most of the times. But now, I could talk to Siri (on apple products) and say silly things and she would understand me perfectly. I'm proud of how far I've come. I hope my 18 months old nephew turn out to be like me once he gets his implants, my sister never learned to use her implant well. (My dad is deaf as well and has dominant genes so unfortunately we're deaf, I don't know if I have the gene in me, I hope not though. We're the only one deaf (by birth) in our family tree.)
It didn't show all of it in one comment😕
+Liv Malseed Out of curiosity, does it ever normalize? Or does it stay kinda electronic-y permanently?
It's as normal as your hearing is right now. I just don't hear much stuff like normal people can, for example the quiet wind breeze, the tree rustling or the crickets chirping. They're too quiet/ high for my implants to pick it up.
+Liv Malseed uhmmm. if you've been deaf since your birth, and never "really" heard since. how can you know how the video sounds to us and how it is not how you hear normal sounds?
+EmoPunkSupport My friend has hearing through one ear but the other she got in a terrible accident and lost her hearing. She has been a hearing person since birth. She has a CI. She has listened to videos like these and states that this is not what it sounds like. I assume she is correct as she has normal hearing in one ear.
I received a cochlear implant in April 2015. At first the sound was very electronic. Everyone sounded like Alvin and the Chipmunks. 7 months since activation, the sound quality has improved, although it is still not completely natural sounding. Music is definitely a challenge. I pretty much only listen to familiar music, which sounds more "normal" to me. To the people who say they would rather be deaf, I wonder if they really thought this through. I had normal hearing until age 39 when I began to lose my hearing quite rapidly. Being hearing impaired has affected all of my relationships, career, and social life. Even day to day activities like scheduling a doctor's appointment are difficult. I am grateful every day for my implant, and my ability to hear and participate in daily activities.
+Stephanie Greenen Thanks you for your sharing.
+Stephanie Greenen how do you know that it sounds like Alvin an the Chipmunks?
Probably because she had normal hearing until age 39
I recently listened to a cochlear test which was very impressive. way more normal to life than what I heard on this video. to me it means that the technology will improve swiftly
No
This is amazing technology, but man, that music section broke my heart :/
Yeah, same. It really hurt.
I agree...
It scares me to death, music is my life, so many hours I spend in a pitch dark room with music playing. It's an escape from the world and all of it's pains. And with my profession being the leading cause of hearing loss in the US, it makes me want to double down on earplugs and earmuffs. The mining industry works to lessen our exposure to harmful sounds, but they are simply just part of the job.
we have the DHH program at our school and a bunch of the kids in the grade though the music was like drums and stuff
Things are changing fast when it comes to cochlear implants. Plus, things are different from one cochlear implant recipient to another, so you simply cannot say "this is what something sounds like to all CI users". My kids for example, who both have bilateral CIs, love music very much: czcams.com/video/INCwy2Yul4c/video.html
I don't know what kind of bait is used to catch salmon, Satan, stop bothering me.
This comment made me laugh a bit.😄
😂
I'm not sad! I lost my hearing for 3 years and can hear again thanks to cochlear implants. Even though it's not like it was before, to be able to communicate with my friends and family again is a modern miracle. Your brain figures a lot of it out and for those that have heard before, your brain kind of remembers what sound was like so eventually, I've found people sound more human as time goes on. It was freakishly- chipmunk sounding in the beginning, but I've moved on to hearing better and I totally feel blessed! It was a great option for me.
The obvious question, then, is what the cochlear implant simulation video sounds like through cochlear implants?
Thanks for your comment, specifically! These people need your first hand account to realize the positive impact cochlear implants hold despite the diminished clarity in sound.
That's a great question. Because I heard before, I know a little bit of the difference as a former hearing person. I don't know what a person who never heard hears, but it's most likely similar. It started kind of mechanical-sounding; the first phase (which wasn't long for me, less than a week) it was more chipmunk Alvin sounding. Like the world just inhaled helium. It changed to radio kind of mono sounding - as if you were hearing people talking from a microphone. There are still elements here or there that can sound mechanical, but that's usually when my brain is shutting down and I need to get to bed. But I can differentiate between family members and friends and they sound similar to my memories; so I was happy to hear my family again. I can hear people for the first time and get an idea as to who they are when I hear them but don't see them the next time. So it's very amazing how the technology creates travel to how hearing had worked before I lost it. I don't hear music the same though. My pitches are off - so I don't really sing anymore. And I haven't conquered hearing on the phone with just my implants. There are devices that I can't afford that allow you to do that perhaps better, but I'm waiting for mine to become FAA approved for blue tooth which is supposed to happen any day. I met a woman whose son was 11 years old and born deaf. She hugged me and cried when I told her that he probably just hears what she sounds like. That was such a blessing to me to be able to give that gift; whether I'm correct or not, that has been my limited experience. But the whole world and technology is changing every day. It is a true miracle. That's coming from someone that only got to talk to my hearing kids via text these past three years!
Best to you!
I think the video sounds like how I hear sound.
I love this girl with cochlear implant and i really want to know what it feels like,she cant tell me as she lost her hearing from when she was just a child , i know your comment is 5 years old, but as someone who lost his hearing , you are perfect to tell me , i want to know so that i can understand and help her better.thanks man.
Am a 19 year old person who has had a CI for about 16 years and I cringed when listening to this because it is is NOT what I experience at all. Most of the comments have said that perhaps the simulation is more like when you first get it (I don't really remember what things sounded like when I first got it, I was 3) and then the brain learns to interpret the signals and then the sound becomes much more natural. Music and spoken words are very natural to me. I can hear the volume, pitch, tone and timbre. I actually played viola in my school's string orchestra from fourth grade until graduation. I have a deep appreciation for music and while it is a bit more challenging for me because my pitch perception is a bit more limited, it's still definitely doable! I also just got my second implant this past December and I get it activated next week so I am really curious as to what that will be like! :)
Hello Ashley! I have a question. Now you are implanted on both sides do you still have pitch perception?
Do you know how many channels your implant has? I'm surprised playing a string instrument is possible so fair play to you! - it's always fascinating to hear how good brains can be at "filling in the gaps"
the music sounds like a demonic rhythmic choir dancing and jumping as they burn human souls at the stake.
hahahaha yeah
+Samuel Ogburn sounds like low fi black metal
I know this is from 3 years ago, but I just fucking died laughing at this comment 😂
That’s the best description ever lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
Samuel Ogburn XDD
So many ignorant comments... Being Deaf isn't a curse, nor are cochlear implants a miracle (perhaps to some, but plenty of Deaf people are perfectly happy with their lives the way they are now). Deaf people CAN and DO enjoy music. They just "hear" it in different ways. And, without having anything to compare it to, the sounds you here in the video aren't as "scary" or "freaky" to them as they are to you.
Hearing is definitely better than not being able to hear.
bbrucet3 Are you Hearing? Because if you were born deaf or became deaf at a young age without any idea or memory as to what sound is like, you don't know what you're missing out on. Everyone has their opinions. Some people who have gotten cochlear implants love it. Some people have gotten them and don't even use them because... well... they find the world noisy.
A very large majority of people born deaf have a written age of about seven to ten years old in adulthood and are incapable of writing a simple note.
They are very poor communicators because they're not bombarded by communication at all time and yes, do actually develop slower than hearing people.
This is reflected in sign language where "I will go to the store" becomes "me go store".
I forget the specific case but there's a famous comparison made by a man who did a big study of deaf to blind people in terms of mental development -- that those with recent deafness communicated normally in writing and learned sign quickly and are linguistically on the same level as the blind. Those who are deaf from birth "lack something" and are on the same level as the developmentally retarded when it comes to the complexity of their thoughts -- which after extensive testing was not down to their ability to communicate but proven in an extensive battery of intelligence, problem solving and hand/coordination tests.
They also lack many complex coordination behaviors because hearing (the movement of ambient sounds) is related to balance: Deaf people have serious problems with obstacle courses when hearing people don't, even though its all primarily visual.
Joy He read the article and you'll understand www.thewire.com/politics/2014/03/why-you-shouldnt-share-those-emotional-deaf-person-hears-for-the-first-time-videos/359850/#disqus_thread
many people without limbs are happy the way they are. if only they would be able to say that if they could walk normally and feel the same. GG
same goes for deaf people. you cant ask them like, would you be happier if you could hear, since they do not know how that feels... if they could hear like we do, they wouldnt go back.
Straight out of a horror movie
Well, if you've never heard anything in any appreciable detail before...
You know what would be more horrific? Never hearing anything ever again.
***** One does not exclude the other.
So right!! If I lost my hearing I would take CI over never hearing again any day.
ITSONLYMEWATCHING Eh I'd learn sign language
This sounded like when I had my cochlear implant first switched on but different to both side of ear but doesn't last long once you wear it a lot then after a while it sounds beautiful, love music, speech sounds so clear compare to my old hearing Aids, and doesn't sound like the switch on when you learn sounds, I had hearing aids and now I have two cochlear implants, I can see a huge difference with cochlear implants compare with hearing aids but everyone's different but the sounds in this video really only when it get first switched on as it new obvious will sound strange because its new and ready to start to hear sounds like new glasses makes you feel dizzy and headaches it's kind of like that with cochlear implant but I've had my two cochlear implants for a while now and it's the best feeling and it does not sound like that, but I am so thankful for my cochlear implants.
Wow, I noticed how far away we still are form perfect hearing implants. I hope we will perfect this one day.
You can't "perfect" it, but you can get close.
***** "I probably wouldn't even let them use this"
In what way are you an authority on what other people are allowed to use? Chances are, for someone who's never heard before, it's still going to be amazing and it's still going to improve their life vastly.
TheUnPlayable
You can go beyond the perfect ear. It's a complex mechanism, but in the future, it probably will be possible to build an implant that is capable of hearing better than human ear
Epokhe Your brain and ear work in armony. Having a better earing than what you'd normally have with your natural ear would mean parts of your brain work to process earing rather than something else like spacial visualiszation or language. The brain can't invent new processing areas.
TheUnPlayable You can theoretically create something technologically that can perfectly connect to the brain the same way normal ears do and that has the same quality as normal ears. It may take decades or centuries, but at some point it will be done. Organs are nothing more than really complex organic machines.
For those who want to know the song, it's "It's a Gypsy Life (Romany)" by World Music Masters - Topic.
Thanks!
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in 1982 they came out with the 22 channel implants today its much clearer .... this is what people heard back in the 70's when they first came out ...
Oh ok that answers my questions
This video is not from the 70's. My implant is reletively new and it sounds exactly like that. I could hear fromday one of activation and to this day the sound stayed the same, not clearer, not better, not getting used to it. Unfortunately the magic of cochlear implants happen in the brain. The results are different for every one. No one hears the same that's why we have different programs to try out...just saying.
My dad has had a cochlear implant for over 25 years now, which is long before I was born, and I've never really understood his cochlear implant and its capacity to "hear." This will allow me to connect with him even more. Thank you so much for posting this :)
I use the souls of orphans to catch salmon
Christ lololol
I laughed a little too hard
At first I thought it said what kind of bait do you use to catch sound.
Fucked up to harm or kill any living being. Shouldn't catch Salmon at all.
@@TheTaterTotP80 okay pope Francis
I have single sided deafness and have a Cochlear implant. I can say that yes this is reasonably accurate. Tho it is getting clearer than these reproductions as my neuroplasticity continues to adapt to the sound.
I can however tell you that from going from a normal hearing person to deafness on one side, the Cochlear implant have provided me with IMMENSE restoration in my functional level of hearing now that i can hear on both sides again. I am very happy with the result
Can you localize where the sound come from in a noisy environment with CI?
I know that people still can't do so with BAHA.
Can you integrate the 2 different sound?
@@nsshing many apologies only just noticed this question. Answer is no. My natural neural pathway is slightly faster than the implant. If I eventually end up completely deaf I am more likely to be able to identify sound direction again
@@Heba891000 yes. My brain has learnt over time to combine the natural hearing and the CI to basically seem less combined hearing for me :)
Thank you for replying wishing you good quality of sound and better life
I have a CI for about a month now. I am single sided deaf because of an intracochlear schwannoma, so I can compare natural sounds and CI. At the moment my right ear sounds like the 4-channel CI part. When the CI was turned on it sounded like the 1-channel. A LOT of fine-tuning is needed for adjusting the CI to your brains. I must say, although it's been only 1 month, the recognition of speech evolves quite steadily. Listening to audiobooks is a good training exercise. Different books, different voices, different readingspeeds. I am looking forward for how it's going to be within 6 months.
How does it sound now?
any update, how is it 2 years later?
Would love an update
Me tooo I would love an update!! I also had a vestibular schwannoma on my right side and received a CI last month. Right now it also sounds to me something like the 4-channel CI, but higher pitched (not so scary and growling like from a horror, as it shows here 😂).
@@barbarawiacek6557How about now? What’s it like listening to music?
people have to recognize that this is just a simulation of the raw input your brain receives -- what it actually 'sounds like' to a person wearing a CI is likely very different (i can't speak from experience but plenty of people in the comments, a lot of whom had gradual hearing loss and can compare the experience of hearing without a CI and hearing with a CI, have) depends on the way their brain has learned to recognize sounds.
sensory input is like this -- look up for example what the 'raw' input filtered through your eye looks like (with the shadows of all your blood vessels and your blind spot on it, and with the colours desaturated at the edges where the rods in your eyes aren't perceiving colour). you would be heartbroken too if everything you saw looked like that, but your brain fills in the gaps and turns the sensory input into what you would recognize as 'normal vision'. i don't know if it would be possible to isolate what sound is 'like' before the brain of a hearing person makes sense of it but it would probably be just as shitty as CI input sounds like to a hearing person.
I've worked with children pre and post Cochlear implants. It's heartwarming to see the changes. Science is awesome!
This had me learnt something, how people should be more and more and more grateful and compassionate toward each other. How the simplest thing in life is actually a blessing.
This is the most terrifying thing I've ever heard.
AWESOME!!! Thanks for this!!! My wife is Deaf, and I'm aware that Cochlear Implants are not the miracle they are made out to be (by "hearing" people). This provides a wonderful example of what a CI might sound like.
this video is so weird. I was born almost deaf and got my CI when I was like 8 years old and i clearly can say it sounds nothing like this. Sure it may not be the same as human hearing, but there is not this creepy robotic sound and stuff.
I'm able to tell the differences between these channels and the normal. so this simulation, at least for me, is not very accurate.
sorry for any possible spelling or grammar mistakes, english is not my native language.
your english is perfect
This is the best approximation they can give to a person with normal hearing and also it is a simulation not the actual way it sounds and you may have a different number of channels and also never having a full range of hearing would change how you perceive sounds
Your grammar and English is better than a lot of people that actually speak English.
This breaks my heart, especially the music portion at the end. It makes me realize how we take something like listening to music for granted. I hope that they can continue to make advances in science to improve on this technology.
this makes me very sad. :/
Yeah, but think of how amazing this is! The fact that we can make some one completely deaf able to hear, it is absolutely amazing. What we can do now may be limited, but we can only get better at expanding our knowledge and improve devices like the Cochlear implant to be just as good if not better than our own ears. We live in an amazing time, things like this give me high hopes for scientific advancement.
Ashley Talbot You assume that some hearing is better than none at all. I'd rather be deaf. Deaf people are involved with a rich culture all of their own. Having a CI leaves you in an in between. Also, many deaf people don't qualify for a CI. We still can't make someone who is completely deaf able to hear. This is someone who had some if not a lot of risidual hearing. My parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc are deaf and I'm an American Sign Language Interpreter so I've been around deaf people. I've met several people who have gotten Cochlear Implants and end up taking them off after a while because it is harder to socialize WITH the implant on than without. Don't even get me started on implanting a child and having to restrict the way they're able to play... There are a lot of people who have gotten the Cochlear Implant and it really does help them. It's wonderful for them! However, more people should realize that there are a lot of downsides and there is a significant percentage of people who get it and it either simply doesn't work or causes more pain than it's worth. Just like anything else in life, it's worth looking at both sides :)
Angela Shirk But the main thing is, now that its possible we have the capability to improve! As electronics get faster and smaller we'll be able to have higher and higher resolution implants, Heck it might even be possible to get them to pick up frequencies outside the humans natural frequency range (Though that would probably be undesired) But the point stands :) As an analogy, cameras have come on so much over the last ~80 years or so. Many of the more expensive cameras can achieve higher resolutions than our eyes!
The hardest step is the first one - and now that we know it works in theory we can only improve!
Sean Innes I think it's all a matter of opinion :) I for one think that by simply having to option to recover ones hearing for life would be incredible. And I don't doubt you agree, but I really don't see a big deal in using electronics to assist in these goals, providing companies don't start interrupting your hearing aids with broadcasted commercials or something haha
Don't let it make you sad. Things sound different from one cochlear implant recipient to another, so no one can say "this is what something sounds like to all CI users". My kids for example, who both have bilateral CIs, love music very much: czcams.com/video/INCwy2Yul4c/video.html
Ugh I feel so blessed to have my senses. Sound and music is so beautiful I couldn’t live without it.
Until something happens to you and you lose some part of your senses, as it can any day, then you need to learn to live without it.
@@barbarawiacek6557 No shit, it’s not something I take for granted
I got my CI hooked up in Jan 0f 2013 and not a day goes by that I'm not thankful for it. It truly is a modern day miracle and I hope the technology continues to improve as I'm sure it will :-) Thanks for sharing this.
I have a cochlear implant.. in my dead ear. A ear that hasn't heard sound for up to 25 years. 2 years almost 3 months with the implant, and the sounds are nowhere near similar to what this "demonstration". It sounds better. But alas, of course, it takes time and effort and patience while the brain makes sense of the new signals coming in via the implant. It's a whole different way to hear, and takes time to get used to it. At first, at activation, for some it sounds normal while for others it sounds bad/electronic/squeaky/who knows. It's different for everyone who gets an implant. I'm actually hoping to get my other ear implanted within the next few months. It's not perfect hearing with my implant, but it's better than nothing. And with the second implant, it should be even better than what I am getting with one implant and one hearing aid.
It even took a while before I could enjoy music with my implant, but it's gotten better. Music sounds almost normal since my last MAPping session in April, in which the audiologist brought up the higher frequency levels.
@@Cdmeggershow many rehabilitation visits and mapping visits did it take to get there?
I have a 22 channel cochlear implant, and I can hear the difference between the 20 channel simulation and the "normal" sound track. I am not convinced that this is an accurate simulation, as it should be nearly indistinguishable. I can hear the richness of the music in "normal" mode, maybe my brain simply interpolates and smooths out the rough-sounding signals.
this is what my brother hears. dear god it scares me. imagine being a child like he was and hearing this
With the correct audio-rehabilitation-therapy it isn't as bad as it sounds. Hear the 4-channel version, then the normal speech, and then the 4-channel version again. If you know what has been said, it sounds completely different :-)
for him it's normal. he doesn't have a point of reference
No, these are what cochlear implants would have sounded like in the 70s. Nowadays we have CIs with over 2 dozen channels.
@@LeaderLiquidi wished people would stop spreading mis info like that. Often times the sounds just remain that way. It's like learning a new language. That's what all the audio training is and why do you think we all have to learn to read lips....because implants do not sound that clear to many people. Not every one will get used to the aweful sound. Especially not people like me who hear every word right after activation....there's nothing that will get clear, it's as clear as it gets, not to mentoin I hear real life through the other ear.
I listened to this with earphones in and it sounds really creepy. I can only imagine what it would feel like to hear that voice all day long. These are the kind of things people should be focusing on improving when it comes to technology, because in all honesty it's way more important than having the newest Iphone or Ipad.
+Chloe Holliday you have to remember this is just a simulation of the sound from the channels and NOT what is actually heard by the deaf person. IT depends probably on the level of deafness and at what age or time they went deaf. Were they born deaf, got a degenerative disease, an accident that destroyed their ears???? all these factors determine what the receipent is going to hear vs what we hear.
Hi. My 17 year old is getting a CI in February on one side. We are wavering between Advanced Bionics and Cochlear brands. All I have heard from anyone who has CI is that they wouldn't go back! Brains are amazing organs the way they adapt. He will be using his hearing aid on the left and a CI on the right. He has been able to hear with hearing aids before this so his brain will have an easier time adapting to the new sounds. He will go through listening therapy for a while but it will all be worth it in the end as he doesn't hear at all on his right side.
Now you should do a video on what listening to this video with a cochlear implant sounds like.
Its actually really scary listening to this with an implant, because my brain has gotten used to translating the noises into speech, and it feels like im starting at the beginning when i first got implantef
the fuck? I knew implants don't replicate sound identical, but jesus christ it sounds like Fuminori's hearing.
So basically, with all of modern technology, you can "hear," but will never be able to enjoy music ever again.
Really? Because I feel like this music through cochlear implants is basically the same as Dubstep for everyone else.
Erik Maier Wow you must be a dubstep expert! Tell me more about how this sounds anything like dubstep
a deaf person couldn't enjoy music to begin with..... so anything is a step up really.
I don't know, I kind of enjoyed the music. I'm sure I especially would if it was the only kind I ever heard.
blankppr exactly, plus imagine some monotone techno - I would listen to that any day :)
It's amazing that those people can hear anything at all. Think 40years back - that was unthinkable.
tks for putting up this simulation. now i can understand what my friend will hear once she will hear after her surgery tomorrow. tks a lot...
Certainly can't say if this is what she heard (as she's the only one who could tell you), but my aunt had a CI that did not work out in one ear. When asked how it didn't work all she could describe it as was "jumbled up noise I couldn't make sense out of". Her brain never adjusted to it, so that was the end of that. I wonder if this is similar in any way to what she heard. If so, no wonder she wasn't too thrilled with it. Now in the other ear, it did work out. She's an example of both sides of the coin in a way. The deaf individuals who get the CI and it doesn't work out, and the ones where it does.
That speech would terrify me...
Alexandria Ditto. I heard it and just about freaked out.
+Panagyra I'm used to it, I guess. I just found it hilarious to listen to as a Cochlear Implant user.
+Alexandria all music sounds like black metal :S
Kevin Carey Nah... I enjoy some music. Just not all.
+Alexandria It is TERRIFYING and HORRID at first :-( either Mickey Mouse and the Chipmunks talk after sucking on helium balloons or R2D2 and a drunken magical flute are chatting over tea! Takes time for the brain to hear bionically.. and you never know if it will improve or through hard work get better.
I don't know if anyone already commented this, but man, this shit is scary as hell.
The music sounds like some kind of alien techno thing o.o
Eh, this really isn't what the implants sound like to the people who wear them. They can easily discern different voices, many times even if they're talking to a person over the phone. The brain re-wires itself and the sound has become increasingly "natural" sounding (ask folks who could once hear who were implanted later in life).
Thank you for posting. Too often in film and television, the cochlear implant is shown to grant the user perfect hearing.
I have perfect hearing and I have cochlear implant
so are more channels always better? what's the point of lower channel cochlear implants? Just cheaper? or.....?
As cochlear implant technology has advanced they've added channels but there are still people out there with fewer channels. This could be due to the age of the implant (implanted at a time when 1-4 channel electrode arrays were used) or that the patient has something like 20 channels but only receives benefit from a few of them. Now you typically see people being implanted with 8-22 channel electrodes. More electrodes/ channels is not always better depending on the patient.
That's so amazing. Thanks for letting e into a world I could only imagine before. Now I know exactly the level my daughter will hear at. Super stuff!
Well I was born hard of hearing, then went deaf by high school years, got cochlear implants and it sounds pretty damn great, i can hear music just fine
I loved that the music at first sounded like electric music, and then it turned out to be very traditional, Spanish (?) sounding music.
Thank you so much for posting this comment. I rarely see positive stories that don't end in shaming deafness.
As a music producer, this is interesting. Seems to be working off the same principles as a vocoder. Bet if you opened a vocoder, used white noise as a carrier, speech/music as the modulator, and set the bands to the same amount, any sound going through will be very similar.
If the implants really are the same, I think people with implants are actually hearing this. Their brains just adapt the same way normal people can understand vocoded lyrics.
I've never really understood how some people can be so opposed to the cochlear implant, capital-D Deaf or not; any identity one can assign themselves that requires them not to improve seems counterproductive to me. (It probably helps that I grew up on a steady diet of science fiction and am just waiting for the day I can improve my own senses through circuitry as well.) But listening to this simulation gives me a whole new perspective. For a surgery with all the associated risks of complications, I'm not sure this is good enough to be worth it.
I really like that song. The stark difference makes me want to cry.
What an interesting video. I enjoyed learning about the different channels involved in a cochlear implant and their effects on different sounds, voices, and music.
This is terrifying...
Sounds slightly demonic :(
But I guess hearing things through a "demonic filter" is better than not hearing at all. Still, I'm sure this technology will be perfected in just a few short years.
As a current Audiology student I can tell you that there is no such CI at 256 channels. The most advanced is 16 channels which is the number of electrodes in the wire. The brain IS an amazing thing and does adjust to make what you hear sound "normal" but you are still hearing the same mechanical noise as it was the first week, you just adjust and is still no way shape or from normal hearing.
Ay qué triste :( gracias por compartir esto. Los que escuchamos bien somos muy insensibles con los que no y esto nos hace ser mas conscientes.
I have also both cochlea Implantat and the sound it’s like an Original
I have been having recurrent disturbing and upsetting nightmares lately, and the audio in those bad dreams often sounds like the audio in this video.
to people saying this sounds scary: not being able to communicate with the people around you or hear is probably scarier tbh
There's a lot of misunderstanding about cochlear implants. People assume that it makes a deaf person hear normally but it's just not true. Great demonstration.
Does anyone know the name of the song?
I can't imagine life without something as wonderful as music
If y’all are curious, that song with the filter is called “satanic ritual” by the Lord of Darkness
I wonder what this video would sound like to someone with a cochlear implant... maybe we should make a simulation video of that....
I don't think this is an accurate simulation. I am a born-deaf CI recipient, and my CI has 22 channels, and yet I can hear the difference between the 20 channel simulations and the "normal" soundtracks, where the "normal" sounds warmer, smoother, and less mechanical...not by a huge margin I'll admit.
Ross Anderson I hope this isn't too far on to ask, but what are the purposes of the lower channels if the higher ones produce better sound?
My cochlear implant sounds nothing electronic-y except for purposely electronic sounds.
Supermoshiiball they're cheaper. the lower channel implants exist for those who cannot afford to understand, only know there is noise
Hexi Hamaski That's horrible... The magic of sound shouldn't be limited by the price of a proper hearing aid... I hope there's foundations for this
Hearing aid/implant technology has improved in the 7 years since this video released. So it sounds a bit better than this now.
what was the last song's name
‘Satanic ritual’ by the Lord of Darkness
This video is 10 years old. Has the technology since then improved the sound quality?
I just got my cochlear implant on my right side. The surgery went well but I have blood drainage. I wasn't born deaf or anything but due to certain actions in combat I will not be able to hear like a normal person again. Consequently, I will still be able to hear my kids but not like anyone else. It's a weird reality that I at 34 years old have come to realize how bad war can get and how much normal people just do NOT understand about those who cannot hear to well.
Well, why did you go to war in the first place? I really hate it when people like you who complain about their hard life while they chose it themselves.
René Didden Renee, Just to let you know I joined the military in 1997, there was no war going on then. Renee, why are you even breathing? I hate the fact that people like you don't understand anything in life. You HATE HATE HATE, but never understand. There are things people do in their lives to try and make a difference, people like me and others whom volunteered for their country, we few have done something in our lives besides complained like you that working at McDonalds or Starbucks getting minimum wage complaining that they don't have enough in their lives thinking they know how to solve all of the world's problems. You Renee are ignorant, I have been to 56 countries and 48 U.S. states being in the military. I have done more in my life than 95% of people like you. Another reason why I am growing to dislike Americans like you that are unappreciative of everything and take things for granted. I will not hide behind the keyboard, but I can say that I have done more than you, seen more and I speak more languages than you. I can have that pissing contest, but as a person I feel you should be shot in the back of the head. Why do you go on living and breathe? What is your sole purpose in life? To be ignorant, do you think I am ignorant? I have college too, I thank the hard working American taxpayers for their efforts in showing up to work everyday and having a job. So, if you want to talk some more, my name is Eddie and I have had a successful career (not a job) for the last going on 17 years. What have you done in your life kid? Don't take everything for granted, it might be gone tomorrow.
***** I'm so sorry about the way Reneé talked to you. She is such an ignorant, unkind person. Thank you for your service. My dad is a war veteran and he injured his spine in combat.
***** Thank you Abby Langford. Thank your dad for me as he was lucky to come back from combat operations, some did, but in a box. Thank you for being an understanding American and contributing to the workforce of the U.S. Have a good day.
I kinda wanna hear other music in that filter. Just fuck it up to the highest possible degree.
some music purposely tried to sound like that haha black metal
cochlear implants are great for people who already knew english, but not for people born deaf. I wonder how long its gonna take for people to actually realize that...
for people who knew it´s also very difficult.. got my implant for 6 months now and it´s still a big struggle, especially listening to music makes no fun at all (at least to me)
I have a deaf friend, That became deaf after I think about 6 years old of an ear infection and he has to wear cochlear implants and he says it sounds very good and clear.. But he might not know what real voice sounds like without it :/
Could be, i guess everyones experience and adaption is very different. I also think that you adapt way easier if you are 6 years old than if you are 20 =)
I was born deaf and speak english as my second language :)
The music actually slams super hard with the implants
Ich selber habe selber welche ( Ci’s) und finde es kommt alles immer an dem Original ran ..?
That would give me nightmares if that's what I heard for the first time. No wonder you see people crying the first time they use it.
they don't know that its something that sounds scary.
WOAH!! You people are actually putting these things in peoples ears???? People are actually living life hearing this robot talk????
Instead of nothing at all, this is far superior. This is only bad because you know what better quality sound is like.
SirusKing no its not, and my wife would rather be deaf than have that bullshit in her head. its not worth the cost of never being able to run, do sports, or swim ever again
Hexi Hamaski Who told you that you can't do any of those things you id%0t
Deaf people i know who are friends with my deaf wife, who HAVE COCLEAR IMPLANTS.
Hexi Hamaski I nannied a boy who has cochlear implants, and if you just take off the outer, electronic piece you can run, do sports, and swim just like anyone else. We frequented the community pool, played tag, and he played little league baseball this summer. I also took immersion ASL for 2 years so I taught him sign and worked with him on speech. People who have cochlear implants can do anything any Deaf or hearing person can. Also, you should capitalize "Deaf," if you know so much about Deafness you should know that that's appropriate.
The only activities that are not recommended SCUBA and sky-diving.
www.ucsfhealth.org/education/cochlear_implants/
www.hopkinsmedicine.org/otolaryngology/specialty_areas/listencenter/faq.html
This is amazing technology, imagine where we are in say 50 years!
As a cochlear implant user I can assure your it pretty much sounds exatly like this. Just check out implant sites, you'll learn that one needs weeks of audio rehabilitation and and weeks of practice of lip reading. If the sound was so niec and clear we wouldn't need al lthis. I regret mine. It sounds too bad and my other side hears. I was better with just one hearing aid. Implants would have been nice, had I been completely deaf.
Woah, I got really freaked out on the 1 channel speech. I wasn't expecting that.
the 20 channel music sounds pretty cool in my opinion, not at all like the actual music but still it's got a beat
In this Video, all frequencies belong to one cochlea-channel are put out simultanously. This is the wrong tactic. It creates lots of physical modulation effects.
But out ear works with frequencies, and not with a time-based signal like a speaker/microphone.
Our healthy ear receives a band of frequencies simultanously. It has a solution of 1/350 octave, with 10 octaves range. There are 3500 cells, each for a different frequency-range.
The cochlea-implant reduces this solution from 3500 cells to just 20.
In the end, this just sounds dark and muffled, but you can get used to it.
Long story short: It makes a difference,
- whether you put out a band of frequencies simultanously through a speaker,
- or you just receive a band of frequencies as one input-signal
I quite like the lower-channel CI implant musical sounds
fucking terrifying
I'm in an ASL class and my teacher played this for us today and I think its interesting. My cousin I believe has a Cochlear implant but I cant exactly remember.
This sounds terrifying.
Any hearing person listening to this needs to remember that this is a SIMULATION and that the brain of a person who has hearing loss DOES NOT hear this the same way! To a hearing person, this sounds horrible; if this is the FIRST thing your brain has heard, it learns what these sounds represent and it doesn't sound like this at all...the brain makes sense of the signals received...pretty amazing actually that our brains can do this!
Sounds like a phone recording of a video playing through '90s computer speakers, played back at 11KHz.
Watching this at night before bed legit terrified me. Especially the music :(
Man...hearing what that music sounded like even with the best, 20-channel option and not even being able to hear the melody...and then hearing how beautiful the music was with normal hearing...it makes me sad that many people will never be able to experience the true beauty of music.
I need to be more grateful for what I have more often and stop worrying about petty shit that doesn't matter.
I'm a bit skeptic about this video, I'm a cochlear implant user and I can notice a really BIG difference from speech/music with 20 electrodes-CI (mainly metallic tones) and normal /speech music (natural tones). I shouldn't notice any difference between these situations. In my opinion, modern CI have more "natural" tones.
Is is possible to apply a filter to recorded sound to make it sound the way someone with a CI would hear it? If so, where could one get such a filter?
It would require a great deal of manual tweaking to accomplish yourself, and I'm not sure a pre-configured package exists.
That said, sounds like a flanger, some bandpass and peak filtering along with running the sample through a vocoder should be enough to fool someone not familiar enough to really tell the difference. Adding very minor clipping distortion would not hurt either, especially only if you're targeting specific frequence ranges.
I've never tried to recreate the CI sound myself, so the only advice I'd give is to dial everything in very small increments until you find something that sounds somewhat similar. I've manipulated audio to sound like coming through walkie-talkies, over heavy distortion, and similar apparatus for a few short films, and I found that running pink or white noise through a vocoder alongside the original audio sample was a decent enough starting point.
Every major DAW will have these filters for you to muck around with. I'd recommend Reaper as it is 'free' (trial period at start, however, you can still use the software after it expires. The license to use the work produced by the software is quite lax as well- professional license is only required under T&C if you make money), it's easy enough to use and has a great deal of tutorials if you get stuck.
Good luck!
This really freaked me out D: It sounded like some demon voice from a horror movie. I hope they improve this so it sounds better.
I can understand why the music section is hard to comprehend. That particular track uses dominant chords and diminished chords in a minor key, those pitches are hard to replicate.
Keep in mind that to the deaf, this sounds completely normal. They wouldn't know that this is different from our hearing.
Not really. Cochlear Implants only work if you have a certain amount of your hearing still intact. It doesn't work at all for people who are completely deaf. Most people who decide to get Cochlear Implants for themselves are people who used to have hearing and then lost it.
I didn't know that, thanks for the info!
There are 3 implant manufacturers, Cochlear have 22channels(thats me), Advanced Bionic have 16 channels and Med-el have 12 channels.
thanks for posting this material
how about the copyright of such sounds ?
I would like to use them in an educational exhibition, for schools, and wonder if anyone could provide me a written permission for it use, if possible. Thanks a lot !!
I think I'd rather stay deaf, that is fucking terrifying
Well, think about this. We have been accustom to the highest quality of sounds. To us this sounds distorted and bad. To them, it would be a great deal better than nothing. They would not know this to be "bad, distorted, and or terrifying." But of course, no one took time to think of it in this way,
***** I totally understand what you mean, I guess it's just hard for people without the implant to imagine what it would be like hearing for the first time. Even so, it still seems really creepy
Its terrifying because you know what 'normal' sounds like..
***** I've met several people who they themselves were born completely deaf and were also very startled and disturbed by their CI's. It is certainly NOT for everyone. I also still do not know if I would get a CI if my hearing aids stopped helping me understand speech. I am a fluent ASL speaker and can communicate effectively through my hands, so I don't know if I'd want to rely on this clearly imperfect technology. Perhaps when I became old, and I knew I wouldn't survive long enough to see REAL improvements, I might experiment with one..? I dunno.
Edit: I was diagnosed with Degenerative Hearing Loss when I was 18, at that point it was a mild to severe hearing loss. Mild at low tones, and severe as the tones grew higher in pitch. Now it has been reduced to Moderate to Severe over the last three years.
My deaf wife has stayed deaf, she enjoys swimming
if youre hearing this through your implant then of coure its going to sound different. but if you hear this with your normal ear function then it can represent what you hear through your implant
The music sounded like some kind of club sound lol, didn't expect that actual violin thing.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing :) I'm glad you're having an easier time than I would've anticipated!
Before hearing The normal music, I was convinced it was some kind of hardcore or frenchcore :D
As a person who has worn a Cochlear Implant for some time I can tell you that this is 100% inaccurate, at least for me it is.
melchezidek lavulo Bro, you need to chill. I've only been deaf for a few years, so I know what normal hearing sounds like. So please, don't tell me to educate myself, because I know more about this than you do. There was literally no reason for you to freak out like a bitch and try to use my deafness against me. It's not like i chose to become so. By the way, it's spelt you're, not your.
coolzus I've heard that some people's ears 'adjust' to the mechanical sound or that they tune it a bit to sound a little more natural. Or does it just remain that way?
melchezidek lavulo Your brain adjusts and makes sense of things. What do they need to educate themself on? If they took this offensively, the hopefully ignoring you.
+DarkFilmDirector I'm 4 months into having my CI. At first all I heard was a bunch of squeaks and squeals and it was very mechanical. It takes the brain a while to adjust and interpret the electrical impulses. Now most things sound normal. My brain is still adjusting and I'm hearing more things all the time.
If you woke up in a different country and didn't speak the language, at first nothing you heard would make sense, but over time, you'd begin to pick it up and it would become familiar. That's kinda what it's like for the brain when you get a CI.
+melchezidek lavulo that's the most ignorant, dumb, nasty thing I've heard in a while. Many deaf people were hearing before they went deaf and they remember what things sounded like. And many deaf people have partial hearing. We know what 'normal' sounds like compared to the CI sound thank you very much.
This made me cry
The implants these days are newer and don't sound like that. Now these days you hear it with your other ear (the beater one out of the two) or you have the one in your mouth.