Hearing Cochlear Implants w/ open captions
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- What does the world sound like to people with cochlear implants? Michael Dorman, an ASU professor of Speech and Hearing Science, shares the sounds of implants and talks about his research into making them work better. Cochlear implants help people who are deaf or hearing impaired who cannot benefit from a standard hearing aid.
This video was produced and edited by Alexander D. Chapin and the cochlear implant illustration was rendered by Mai-Li Le, Office of Knowledge Enterprise Development.
Note: Video Contains open captions for the hearing impaired.
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It only sounds like that in the very beginning for some people, for me when I was activated bilaterally, some voices were just high pitched, but they went back to their normal sounding in 2 weeks. I love it! It only gets better and better with time, I've only been activated for 5 months.
How does it feel now after 8 years?
@@sandronejm it’s actually 9 years for me now. It sounds very natural. I was able to achieve that very quickly with my right ear. It took about 3 years for the left side but other than that I love it!
I have since upgraded to a new sound processor in the spring and it just keeps getting better and better!
@@Dragonesa41083 wow, I am happy with you! Thanks for the reply.
@@Dragonesa41083 did you see the movie sound of metal? If so, do you have an opinion on it?
dang it’s been almost 9 years since you posted this comment, how are things holding up ?
Completely off topic but Komal's eyes are absolutely beautiful.
They are. :) I've heard having blue eyes and being born deaf actually has a genetic correlation. Not that all blue eyed people are deaf, but ykwim.
I may be wrong but she might have waardenburg syndrome.
agreed.
@@GROENAASMusic so random but it’s the same for cats too wow
@@opheliaalexa963 yes! And often white cats.
I hope 10 years later, sound quality has been improved in these implants
it’s literally cybernetics, so fucking cool
Someone else commented that the sound quality has improved by a lot since then!
Children with cochlear implants shouldn't be denied sign language. Some audiologist think they may use it as a crutch, but they can still learn it and use it. Even with a cochlear implant, they are still Deaf and should learn about the Deaf Culture. It's called total communication and it should be utilized. A parent should do anything and everything they can to help their child communicate efficiently. It's no different than a multilingual household.
Exactly! It's like those racists that hate it when people speak Spanish
I totally agree they should know sign language. They can't wear it all the time anyway. If they want to go swimming or shower or sleep they can't wear it. They should have sign to use for when they aren't using their implant.
@@michaelalovejoy2016 forgive me if i sound rude but this is very confusing to me.
what inhibits people from learning sign language? also the idea of "deaf culture" sounds very confusing to me.
what does it mean to be part of deaf culture. i can't imagine there being allot of stigma around people learning signlanguage either?
I couldn't agree more! It's the same for blind people that learn to use a walking stick first before relying on a guiding dog. You *need* the stick in case the dog fails, so you always have a backup.
I myself and wheelchair bound and normally use an electric chair, but in case that one fails, I have a manual chair as backup. I also use an insulin pump for my diabetes - in case that one fails, I need to have old fashioned insulin pens with me.
This is why I started learning basic sign language. I don't have anyone in my family or friend circle that's struggling with hearing loss or Deafness, but I do know that there are millions of people in the world that mostly rely on sign language. Besides that, getting older and/or being in an accident can take your hearing or speaking ability away within a split second. It's a way to help others and possibly your future self at the same time.
Honestly, I wish basic signing skills were taught at schools. Kids are great at picking up new information, and it would make the world so much more engaging for everyone, no matter their way of communicating. :)
As a bilateral recipient of CIs, I agree that kids should learn sign language. I was raised learning it but honestly, it fell to the wayside as I spent 90% of my life hearing without the need for it. My family and I only use the alphabet and a few basic signs now to get points across when I happen to be without my CIs. In college now I hope to take an ASL course next year to relearn what I lost and retain that knowledge for future use. It also helps that a hearing friend of mine learned it and it would be cool if we could speak in "code" to each other.
Someone who can hear with one ear can help to adjust this device alot because they would make this device sound better
I have bilateral implants. I went deaf at 16. It kinda sounds like that, but without the static. It's more clear for me.
Wait... how would you know?
i guess I am quite randomly asking but does anybody know a good website to stream newly released movies online ?
@Jordan Darian i would suggest Flixzone. Just google for it =)
@Liam Jamison Definitely, I've been using FlixZone for since april myself :)
@Liam Jamison Thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) I really appreciate it !
I am 13 years old and have bilateral cochlear implants. The sound comparison was really cool but its hard to tell what it would actually sound like because I am hearing the comparison with cochlear implants. The cochlear match to the real sound did sound very creepy and electronic compared to the other one.
i'd imagine natural hearing is considered deeper and less tin sounding. but i know this doesn't really help if you can't perceive what that's like :/
Interesting. I was wondering what the comparison would sound like to something with CI's.
It shows that some get better results than others. Maybe because you're young, your implant technology is newer and has improved since that man's CI.
That means it actually hears better than this
Kyle Marieb Same here man, except I only have one cochlear implant. My hearing doesn't sound electronic at all, but I have had mappings where it did. I remember getting it reprogrammed and then crying cause my mom sounded like Darth Vader. The important thing for people to know, is that the brain knows what's natural, and works very hard to achieve that, so it's absolutely crucial to introduce it to sound and language as early as possible. For anybody, sound is sent from the ear to the brain, and processed in the auditory cortex. The main difference for someone with a cochlear implant, is that the implant stimulates the auditory nerve rather than the hair cells; less information is sent, but the brain does fill in the blanks.
If somone has a profound hearing loss in one ear and the other cant hear anything is it better to use an amplifer or a cochlear implant?
@ Danielle S... I am partially deaf... and trust me... it is a disability. I appreciate scientist who are working to help people hear better. I don't think people without hearing disabilities can quite understand what deafness is like. Some of my personal struggles are...
1) Public, noisy environments are very stressful. It is hard, even with hearing aids to discern what people are saying. It takes a tremendous amount of mental effort to discern even a percentage of what people are saying to you.
2) I have been known to walk off while someone is talking to me (because I didn't know) later to find out that they thought I was being very rude.
3) If you can hear something, you have no idea what direction it is coming from. This is annoying but can even be dangerous. What if you don't hear a warning? What if you can't tell which direction something like a car horn is coming from?
4) I live with the awareness that if something like a smoke alarm, or a tsunami warning goes off (I live on the west coast) I may not hear it.
I just want to help those without hearing difficulties understand what life is like for the hard of hearing.
don't you find sometimes that hearing people aren't very accommodating towards partially hearing people?
+Jerry Smart
By partially deaf you mean SSD or partial hearing loss in both ears?
One ear normal for my age, the other is classified as profound hearing loss. I have about 15 percent hearing in that ear.
Jerry Smart thank you. I greatly admire their efforts people like you are making!
Tks Jerry for Your Share,
My 17 months daughter has Waardenburg syndrome, she is a deaf born person.
She just gets cochlear implant about 4 days. At beginning to find the sound with my Daughter, it will be very difficult and angry for my family.
Do you know any books or documents about Learning with hearing loss people using cochlear implant, if you know pls share with me.
Hope receive your feedback soon.
Nice weekend ahead
3:15 direction comparison
As an Audiology specialist, this is so welcome
I received a Baha 5 sound processor in August after being totally deaf in my left ear for 73 years because I born without a hearing canal in that ear & it was assumed that there was no inner ear either. Fortunately I had good hearing in my right ear.
Now I am testing the hearing in my left ear with the Baha 5. Today I discovered I could hear frogs with my good ear but not with the Baha 5!
As a longtime AM radio listener, CB operator and amateur radio operator, I am used to listening to voices through distortion and static. The sounds through the implant are not all that bad.
If I were deaf, and got an implant and could hear as demonstrated in this video, I would consider the implant to be a miraculous blessing, for which I would be extremely thankful to God.
BeingRomans829ed why to god? why not the people who invented it and made it possible?
I'd be both, but first and foremost to God, from Whom all good things come, and by Whom all things are possible, and Who "invented", rather, created, the people who made the device.
And that's the true God, capital "G", not a false god, small "g".
All gods are false gods, welcome to the enlightenment age
Zero god, it was the people with a lot of trial and error, that's the way we invent or modify things. Some animal too.
@@kitube14 because the people who "invented" it did not invent human intelligence. THAT is God's invention, so stop attributing it to humans.
Hi, I have Cochlear Implants as well. I am 8 and I was born deaf and my parents gave me hearing aids and I could hear just a little bit. But after a year or so they gave me cochlear implants understanding that hearing aids weren't enough. I like cochlear implants because they gave me the power of hearing so that I could understand more of the world. But I still struggle with understanding where the sound is coming from.
Thanks for posting this. I have a friend who is new to her cochlear implants and I’ve been trying to find (without success until this video) some sort of explanation as to what they sound like (and not just how they work). She is always saying it’s hard to get used to but the doctors told her it will take time. She said right now she hears a lot of beeps and electrical noises, which I didn’t understand. Now I get it.
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Great to see. Need is cause for all invention. Better we understand the concept, out come will be improved through best knowledge.
Actually most people with cochlear implants do like it. When it is either electronic sound or nothing, most are happy with the electronic sound. That said, the brain adjusts to it and it sounds less and less electronic over time. I've only had mine for two months and many environmental sounds are no longer electronic sounding and sound similar to my "good" ear.
Any of you with the CI , had any if tinnitus prior to the CI - has it helped suppressed it? Thank you.
This is very interesting. Thank you for sharing, its so cool to see my home state university take on this challenge. Im almost 30 now and I've been born with only one ear to hear out of and the other is completely deaf. I've always wondered what modern technology could come up with for hearing aids. The sounds it makes is unusual in a sense since I have understanding of the real tones but it must truly feel good for those who haven't been able to hear anything at all or next to little. Congrats!
My standing joke now is, "I'm deaf in one ear, can't hear with the other". The reality is, I have moderate hearing loss with tinnitus in both ears (six primary tones, one warbling randomly tone).
You should get it while you're severe to profound and can't make much use of the hearing aid, the reason I say this is because if you wait too long while being profoundly deaf then your brain has to work alittle more harder to relearn the sounds it once heard. If you do it with very weak hearing, it won't be as bad and you won't strain too much.
I have many deaf friends and I've always wondered about this.. Now I know how they hear things.
No, you do not. It is not possible to hear what an implant user hears unless you have one yourself.
Bleeding Purist They just said that a man who had natural hearing in one ear and an implant in the other helped them create the simulation. I'm pretty sure it's not that far off.
@@echotimesthree6146 lots of people hear it differently.
I've seen other people say that they had different experience or that it is only like this in the beginning and that it gets better the longer you use it.
@@bleedingpurist that is why we need more audiologists who have hearing loss
The sound should get a little more performed you guys are great the last thing is working alittle better on the sound god bless my brother in this world
It seems like it would get super annoying hearing people talk through the implant. But on the other hand it is all they know, so perhaps not?
Better than not hearing anything at all.
FartMaster69 Well some Deaf people embrace Deafness and say you can't miss something you've never had.
Danielle S
Some people embrace death too but nobody pretends it's a good thing.
FartMaster69 Well, that's just not the same thing at all.
*****
Prove it
I want to know what situation the patient was in that his hearing came back.
the girl at the beginning has gorgeous eyes :o
Is there a filter VST you can download for DAWs that allows you to get this kind of effect?
yea there is, it's called a ring modulator
Hello, thanks for the video. I don't understand what I am saying but. I am living in Ethiopia. my so is 5 he was hearing loss both side of ear at 3 years old. Doctor pleas helping my son if you can.
Fascinating scientific healthcare innovation.
You can ask the people who have a cochlear implant in one ear and normal hearing in the other.
My 17 moths daughter has Waardenburg syndrome - deaf born person.
She just get cochlear implant about 4 days. The sound through cochlear implant is creepy for a baby.
Anybody here has document or books about learning with hearing loss using cochlear implant, pls share with me. Or information about this.
Appreciate your Kind.
Tks A LOT. Nice weekend ahead
Anyone with SSD that have a cochlear implant could please share their experience here?
I lost 85-90% hearing in my left ear to Meniere's at 66. I dont know if hearing aids will help yet, there are so many options out there. A cochlear implant may be a possibility
Sounds cool, like Bobafett talking to the Storm Troopers. That would be pretty cool...
It sounds like what a handset telephone voice through the television used to sound like.
Is there a way to correct the static and tone in order to make the sound close to sounding natural? I assume that in the future it will, but it seems that it will be difficult.
As of right now, maybe. You must understand that these implants, as amazing as they are, are a poor substitute for the hairs in your ear. I believe modern implants use around 22 electrodes. These 22 electrodes are meant to take the place of hundreds of thousands of nerves. However, modern medical science is amazing, I believe researches are currently working on a way to use lasers instead of electrodes to stimulate the hairs. If this pans out, it will be MUCH more efficient and realistic sounding. Also I believe this video is only using a 12 electrode implant as its example. I've read that 22 electrode implants sound much better.
As of right now, maybe. You must understand that these implants, as amazing as they are, are a poor substitute for the hairs in your ear. I believe modern implants use around 22 electrodes. These 22 electrodes are meant to take the place of hundreds of thousands of nerves. However, modern medical science is amazing, I believe researches are currently working on a way to use lasers instead of electrodes to stimulate the hairs. If this pans out, it will be MUCH more efficient and realistic sounding. Also I believe this video is only using a 12 electrode implant as its example. I've read that 22 electrode implants sound much better.
+Jonathan sauder 22 electrode, but with the newer AB, you actually get 120. This is because of current shunting, and positive and negative voltage. It's a lot more resolution for voltage across each one, and simultaneous.
Also bear in mind this is trying to be as power efficient as possible to last all day so it currently puts an upper limit on the audio quality until the efficiency of the electronics and capacity of the batteries can be improved further
what girl in the beginning? the indian girl near the end?
Really? That's great! Maybe I will get it if I do go deaf on both ears.. So.. Everything does sound the same after a few weeks or so? Haha sorry, I'm just really interested on this topic (since I might get CI in the future).
Any real differences in hearing function between cochlear implats - Med El, Advanced Bionics or Cochlear? Are the differences only cosmetic?
the differences are night and day. I choise Advanced Bionics and I'm thankful it doesn't sound like this crap. Speech sounds completely normal, not robotic at all.
I wonder if she might have adjusted to it a bit too
What implant does the patient described at 2:55 have?
Medal Cochlear implant is the brand
why is the noise so staticy?
that sounds really creepy actually
I played the sections of repeated speech to my daughter with bilateral cochlear implants. She could hear the difference between the two speech examples and said that the second sounded "scratchy". I think she hears better than these examples.
Wouldn't they all be even "scratchier" through a cochlear implant, though?
@@user-qv2qf1jk5o not so sure. Some of the artifacts should be trivially filtered out, hell, they should've been easily filtered out with 2000's technology. I suspect it's a case of worst case scenario, to prevent unrealistic expectations.
My hearing aids (back when they worked, can't afford replacements, so have falling back to "say again?") weren't as good as the OEM ears, but better than nothing.
My intraocular implants gave me back clear vision and the color blue, but under low light peripheral vision is lacking. Hence, not as good as my original mk-1 eyes, but beats the cataracts.
Learned to cope with all of the above, well, save the frustration of "Say again?".
Mom had a saying, "Better to have half a loaf of bread than no loaf at all".
this is not what the modern CI sounds like these simulations are from the first models back in the 70's . in 1982 they came out with 22 channels which this video doesnt even let u hear . today its much more advanced than these samples.
+jenny bush Oh this is pretty close. With hearing aid in one ear and CI in the other. This is a 90 channel simulation. Older ones were much worse than this. This is 90 channel simulation. 22 channels are much worse.
Thank You that was a reassuring comment.needed that
it's quite clear
Ok, so this vid is over 11 years old.
Has the technology improved in these years to product better, clearly, less "raspy" sound from the implants?
I understand that at the time of this video (I think) the implant has 12 or 24 "channels", which of course cannot process all the frequencies a normal ear can hear.
So now, in this era, do implants now have more channels or other technology to allow the person to hear more naturally?
Someone else commented, though not in a technical way, that the quality has improved by a lot since then. I do wonder what the underlying changes are that have improved it!
@@Sandy33569 For one thing, it would have to be a lot more channels (wires) to activate more nerve endings.
Isnt there like a way to make the electrodes smaller thus being able to add more to the cochlear implant? Perhaps nano technology.
Advanced Bionics uses current steering between electrodes to create "virtual" electrodes between 2 adjacent electrodes. so even though I only have 16 electrodes, it sounds more like I have 250 or more. Speech actually sounds completely normal. so don't buy this crappy brand shown here, buy Advanced bionics and it'll sound a lot better
We need these for cats and dogs now, not just people.
I really don’t think we should be putting dogs and cats through such a surgery. They also wouldn’t benefit as much as an audiologist wouldn’t be able to help them much. They don’t have as much awareness of it as we would to work on helping them “hear” better through it (I say this as many comments here from those who are deaf have mentioned an improved sound quality over time with training and we just can’t do that with dogs and cats).
They adjust super well to being deaf. Maybe even better than humans, in some ways, considering the society we live in as humans. Better to just adjust your life to continue to meet their needs with their disability.
dark hair blue eyes girl is beautiful!
I bet it is frustrating having all of that technology and yet the sound is as if a battery is dying in an AM radio. I'd like to understand better what exactly is the relationship with what is doing the stimulating and what is being stimulated so I can understand better where the weak link is in the technology. Or is it the technology at all? Is the weak link the inability for the biology to respond? This is fascinating...I know what I'll be studying now tonight.
These are the kinds of videos that need millions of views
They have millions of views it's just there are a lot of videos about this so the viewers are spread out.
I never really considered 2/5s in to be "near the end"
we sound like bots! nice.
It's different with every single person, the same way that some people's bodies respond to transplants differently.
can one enjoy music or is it just a cacophony? i'm curious
after some training people can enjoy music. For those who lost their natural hearing after birth and thus still have memories of natural hearing, they still enjoy music they remember. At that point it seems like their brain just fills in the gaps using what they remember of the song.
For new songs though it depends, most people take some time to learn new music though. Usually after a few days they can recognise it and listen to it just like you and me.
Also there's a comment directly above yours about someone who got a cochlear implant and how this video compares with the real thing. Apparently this video sounds similar, but not quite.
I agree. In hearing the differences proposed, I can see that it's like a really old 8-track or something, playing back. It doesn't have the hi-fidelity to hear the wide range of frequency's.
I can see, however, that if they just crank up the frequency response some how, that it would be more un-nerving to the people with the implants, as they would have the same response as a person. Imagine playing the THX with full range in that situation. Those low range freq's are gone in this example.
Wait but why?
Why, but wait!
But of course.
Much work is needed to be done. It might give hope for people with hearing loss, but the sound doesn't sound harmonical. We the people should push governments and influencers to fund much more on health research
maybe it has. this video came out a decade ago
If that's what really sounds like through the implant, then I don't want to get it when I turn completely deaf on BOTH ears.. I don't want hear everyone's beautiful and wonderful voice in a robotic way.
I can now understand fully why people with the implant are upset about it (some). ..
It sounds like a ring modulator
yes, it does. i guess that's because it also shifts frequency up into the more audible ranges
Ah, alright. Thanks :)
Does it sound better. After a while?
Yes.
Thanks brittany
Yes, yes, absolutely.
I have two cochlear impants and to me, it sounds normal. It may not to you but i've adapted to it and its the only sound I know as I was born profoundly deaf. Like if a person was born without legs, they learn to adapt to it and it doesn't affect them emotionally. Sure they wish to be 'normal' but its not a burden and never has been, that's how it is for me.
Cool ppl
so basically everyone sounds like the sorting droid in jabba's palace
baloney. mine sounds completely normal
that girl's eyes were beautiful and you can't really tell the gender of the person, I hope they find a way for deaf people to hear the same thing as we do, though that doesn't mean they have too, being deaf isn't something bad just different
RainSaffy123
I lost all my hearing last year and got cochlear implants a couple of months ago and I'm telling you, it sounds just like before to me. The brand does make a difference. a huge one, but of course, I'm not about to start a brand war here.
+greendesert69 How can you tell when you have not tried all three brands?
greendesert69 that's most likely because you already know what things sound like so your brain changes your perception of what the implant actually sounds like
They should at least sound similar to the sound from a good quality youtuber.
Should, the sounds from this example are like you use a virtual voice assistant compressed to 16kbps on 11khz.
yeah and what if the device suddenly fails while they can't access to a new implant soon enough?....they should learn sign language at least as a backup!
It's great that this can help deaf kids communicate through speech but it's sad that they are denied sign language just because they have a cochlear implant
what do you mean by "denied sign language"?
I wear hearing aids an will turn then down in some situations
ok so?
Do people (in the comments) realize this isn't some sort of magical cure for deafness? Sure, it works great for some people, and more power to them, but it's an expensive surgery with potential downsides and it's still a lot of work to get used to it, understand sounds, etc. And, of course, a lot of people don't mind being deaf or consider it purely a disability. It's great that technology is being developed that is giving people options, but it's still a very personal choice.
umm IT IS A MAGICAL CURE FOR DEAFNESS! I'm deaf. I can hear... Speech sounds to me just like normal hearing before I lost my hearing. And people SHOULD mind being deaf, especially the deaf community that acts like deafness is normal and the government should just support them with disability money because umm they're normal but they're disabled (i know, they're not making much sense). My implant allows me to have a regular job, with meetings, zoom calls, daily audio/video calls for hours on end. It allows me to not have to depend on handouts from the government. I don't have to go give out little cards to people and beg for help. And sure it doesn't work for 100% of deaf people, but it's pretty darned close. easily 98%.
@@greendesert69 stop trolling, a hull
yeah, well in the middle I guess.
*3:29** Here's what you're looking for*
3:47
It sounds kinda like a phone voice sound but earraped
Kinda.
When I was working in a neurophysiology lab in the 90's, I'd hear "Cochlear implants are promising, but they really don't know if they'll work." It's great to see them being a routine, successful treatement!
So it's basically an advanced Bitcrusher? Sounds awful to me as an audiophile.
Very bad sound.... its a cyborg robot sound, please fix that, i m bad hearning this sound is not good!
*shudder*
I hope I never need to have such an implant... makes everything so... robotic and cold..
I thought people people would hear like you hear things from a good quality speaker with good quality audio source.
@@Lolimaster same
I like how they have no deaf people who have talked about how much their CI didn't help them. Or about the people who's face was paralyzed by the surgery. This whole video totally isn't bias.
Can't they really fix the robotic sound quality, now I know why the girls speaks with an autobot tone.
Dude no, that doesn't sound appealing.. I hope in the future they will help with quality as I know a lot of ppl w/implants deserve better
this video is baloney. the future is here and it sounds completely normal beautiful warm speech. I know, I have implants. Sure maybe it doesn't sound good for some people but for me all peoples speech sounds completely normal just like before losing my hearing.
this may be true with the Cochlear brand or old processors but absolutely not true with Advanced Bionics. I have bilateral implants and those simulations are utter hogwash.
Speech sound to me completely normal. my wife's voice sounds exactly like before. people's voices sound nice and not robotic at all. so the conclusion you should draw from this is: DON'T BUY COCHLEAR, it's CRAP... BUY ADVANCED BIONICS because the resolution and fidelity of the sound perception it creates is far superior.
It is not as good as natural hearing when it comes to subtle nuances in music for example, but for speech it sounds COMPLETELY NATURAL, warm, pleasant voices, absolutely ZERO robotic sound.
I don't have 6 million dollars, Steve.
It really doesn't matter which company you choose. They all do the same thing. It all comes down to marketing.
It is really all in the name of Jesus 🙏