Why THANOS Worked | Marvel's BEST Villain
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All the people that say Thanos was a waste in Endgame don’t understand his character in my opinion. A younger Thanos sees a future where he was victorious and yet he sees Avengers fighting to undo his work. He realises the flaw in his previous plan that people will not be grateful even though he sees the good it will do in the universe. He undergoes a fundamental change wherein his ego trumps the outcome he wants, Loki told 2018 Thanos he will never be a god, Loki could see it within him but in Infinity War he chose to see his mission as a saviour of the universe, in Endgame’s final act he goes full tilt into his god complex
I honestly think the problem is that there wasn't time to communicate that.
his plan was erase everything and create a new universe because he has seen and realized that there's always people who gonna undo his work, how is that hard to understand?
He was also younger and less wise. And didn’t have to do what original thanos did ie kill gamora. He never had to lose everything b he never even lost Gamora by his side which no doubt humbled him.
I agree from both a creative standpoint, and on the side of being within the story.. Infinity war was Thanos film and saw where he actually made sense and thought he would be looked at as a savior, or at least gave valid reasons. And (for me) the endgame Thanos was wise (like someone just said in response here... He was a mixed of both versions of the big picture Titan however watching the avengers attempting to undo what his past version has done then realize he had to physically wipe out/regret dusting the wrong half. However knowing that he attempted to kill the original six and then dust the half because they were collectively strong enough, wise enough, and foolish enough to attempt it
It's really not that complicated, he has always been that way even in the original timeline where he succeeded. Lind of like how haters are jealous but because they can accept and admit that's how they actually felt, the rationalization kicks in and even they believe in that rationalization.
In thanos' case it's probably the fact that hes being labelled as mad titan, so his insecurity is that that is true. He actually is just a mad titan, but he wants to do what he wants without admitting and accepting that he actually is just a mad titan, so he rationalize it and says it's to create a better world.
When he learn the avengers tried to undo what he accomplished, it finally made it obvious what he really wanted.
Josh brolin thanos was really awesome and badass
Seeing a character that I had always known as a love-sick puppy for the metaphysical embodiment of death (which is still equally interesting), to a well rounded, intimidating presence misguided by his own sense of accountability towards aiding a problem that has been addressed multiple times, all culminated into a nuanced character, that we begin to become narratively infatuated with every moment, that is an example of how to execute a villain well in media. Giving them nuance.
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Not to take away from Thanos but DAMMMMNN the Snyder cut was a huge improvement, still a flawed movie but a HUGEE improvement over the mess that was the 2017 version.. I think there's a enough to say to make a video but Houston Coley sums up all my thoughts best in his review, I'd recommend taking a look !!
I would say it's kind of improvement. Yes he explain some plot hole and I though Batman, Steppenwolf and, specially, Cyborg, but the movie still has some huge flaws, the unecessary dark tone, the forced unecessary cameo of certain JL member and once again Snyder proves he really doesn't get most of the characters, specially Superman and Wonder Woman.
I think I would prefer you making a video about the Snyder's Cut and deep dive into it.
I know people gonna complain, but Snyder handled all the characters really well, especially Flash and Cyborg
@@David-pk1fb I dont have an issue with the story he told with flash but I have an issue with the characterisation, that isn't barry allen, its more like wally from JLU or bart from YJ if anything.
@@thesuperframe yeah, but character adaptations arn't 100% accurate, JLU Wally West is basically Barry Allen, but with Wally's personality. And I'm sure that Flash's characteristic would grow into the Flash everyone knows, like how Snyder wanted to do the same thing with Superman and Batman
To be fair to Darkseid, he is not supposed to be sympathetic. Thanos, even the one dimensional comic villain, always had a reason for being evil, doing it for love and stuff. Darkseid doesn't have a reason. He was created to be evil incarnate, he's literally modeled after Space Hitler. If he's supposed to be the embodiment of evil, giving him a reason for being like that would kind of take away from the whole concept.
It's kind of like giving Cthulhu a tragic backstory, making him understandable causes the loss of the unexplainable evil and horror you can't hope to understand.
thats not true stop spreading false infromation lol. all you do is think about darkseid conquering and taking over worlds and taking free will yet there is an actual purpose behind his deed removing free will is true salavtion and the equation of entire existence. he sees the anti life as a proof of this and to show everyone how meaningless free will and life is. the way kirby writes the character is in a philosophical way and it is even much more to it.
@@Maelkor Darkseid IS pure evil, that's why him and Apokolips is modeled after Hitler and Nazi Germany, that's what pure evil looked like to a Jewish American in the period after the war. Saying that it's about liberation from the self and salvation is just Bullshit Darkseid made up to explain why he deserves to be ruler of everything, the same way Hitler made up stuff like the Germans are the best and everyone that didn't look like them are subhuman. Darkseid tries to conquer stuff with, or without the Anti-Life Equation, as demonstrated by all the times that Darkseid just comes to wreck shit up like in Justice League: War. He fought New Genesis before he learned about the Anti-Life Equation, not because he wanted to "liberate them", but because he's an imperialist dictator.
And then we come to Final Crisis. In its heart, it's a story about stories. The hero of Final Crisis, the one that ends the conflict and defeats the bad guy is Superman, the embodiment of all that's good and just. The Bad Guy is Darkseid (and also Mandraak but he is more so a commentrary on the state of the comic book industry at the time). And with all the higher dimensions and abstructums this book uses, its safe to assume the Final Villain, the one that's behind it all, is the opposite of the First Hero, absolute Evil to match his Absolut Good. And it is all showcased when Superman defeats Darkseid, not by punching him, but by wishing for a happy ending, when the evil is defeated and everything ends happily ever after.
Defend Darkseid and you're defending Hitler. The few stupid reasons he has for being evil is by adopting the characteristics of the closest thing we have to Absolute Evil in the real world, which Kirby didn't think anyone would sympathise with.
@@mcknightmareb4u494 don't take new 52 darkseid as an example a shallow dumb brute who has only warlord traits.
@UC8zVe0h84e491dX8r2zBXUQ oh nonono I didn't mean to call comic Thanos one dimensional, he's also a great character. The Thanos I was reffering to is Thanos in the old Captain Marvel comics, before his big break with the Infinity Gauntlet, using his Thanoscopter to steal the Cosmic Cube and stuff
@@Maelkor It’s clear you’ve never seen anything darkseid related your entire life, darkseid is the personification of evil within dc, a being who exists outside the dc multiverse and sends clones to conquer said multiverse. Darkseids main goal is to get the anti life equation so he can dominate the wills of all beings within the dc multiverse, and he relishes in his evilness, that’s why we love him “had I known 1 humans death would pain you so much I would have killed more, and kill more I shall carry that agony with you to oblivion Superman”-Darkseid
8:37 Best Thanos joke i've ever seen.
Being a huge Thanos comic fan I initially didn't like the version they went with but after seeing it as a whole it definitely worked for what they did..
I think it works better than his comic counterpart. The whole Death thing would not translate well on the big screen.
I dont think it's better than the comics, as the comics version leans into the "mad titan" more, as an insane tyrant that craves death (in more ways than one, lol). This is definitely a more compelling version and his *motives* are better, and it definitely translates to the movies better than the comics version would. Definitely one of the good examples of comic inaccuracy done well
@@FinelinePictures By crave, you mean simp for Death?
@@akwilson1676 to me i was moreso referring to his god mindset he carries in the comics.. Would've loved to see that arrogant thanos but as mentioned his mcu version fit will
@@akwilson1676 watch nerdsync video on thanos
Comic Thanos: An evil villain with no respect for life searching for ultimate power and aims to cause the most death to prove his love to death.
MCU Thanos: more of a challenge than villain with good intentions that is not driven by hate or evil intent but will and logic but has no second thoughts on his ways to acheive that goal even if life is involved and will not allow anything to stop him.
Honestly, you NEED more subscribers!
Such a beautiful villain. Really don’t like what they did with endgame doh. Just threw away all of the history between him and the avengers.
“I don’t even know who you are” smfh 😤
I think that was the point, that he becomes just a simple force of evil for the avengers to combat seeing as how much Endgame had to do.
@@thesuperframe Very likely true but they are the writers. They could have done literally anything that allowed thanos to still retain his character depth while still having a similar story. But they chose this which left quite a few plot holes in its wake, and a weaker villain. Still enjoy the movie, but it’s quality took a noticeable hit since infinity war :/ Lovely video btw and thanks for conversing with me!
@@bruisedbooty438 CZcamsr filmento made an excellent video( called Avengers endgame& the Thanosrat dilemma) that criticizes that aspect he said the only way to fix this would be to have another villain in the movie
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 true, or they could have changed the story to where current universe Thanos was attempting to stop them. But if their dead set on the time travel plot and killing him at the beginning then that probably is one of the only ways. I vaguely remember that video and I’ll take your word for it that it was a good vid, but I have a lotta problems with most of filmento’s content.
@@thesuperframe they made one crucial error, at the end of the movie, he wasn't the bad guy, he had accepted that he had finished his task and was willing to die. That would be such a boring film if they fought him like that, that's why they had to kill him off and completely change him into some angry guy and a generic villain to fight, did thanos even kill anyone in endgame?
I'd argue the problem with pure evil not that it's bad it's just that when you remove the potential engagement of sympathy you need some other engagement to fill it.
General fun/charisma is a good option (think Disney villains).
The last few minutes 😂😂, awesome video as always!
Just found your channel man and I just wanted to say your killing man keep up the hard work
I always liked how in comics and some animations, Thanos would be drawn with completely Black eyes. It made him look like a shark. A creature that never stops moving and doesn't do anything but seek bloodshed. I understand there is maybe some amount of emotion we wouldn't have gotten if Thanos had black eyes, but I would have enjoyed some compromise on that matter. Maybe giving him no irises in the pupil and just having pure black pupils or something. Not a huge complaint with the film overall, just something from the source material I always enjoyed.
Good point, although I would say comic thanos behaves a lot more like that shark than his MCU counterpart.
kind like they did in gotg 1
I would say that you're completely misreading sharks, as they're nothing like the mindless killing machines people think of them as. Sure, they hunt other animals to stay alive, but they are intelligent, social, animals who can form strong emotional attachments to not only other sharks, but also humans on occasion.
@@Flufux I am sure sharks have a much more complex behavior pattern than just eating machine, but that doesn't take away the associations sharks have. whether it's fact or myth, sharks are known to seek out blood. Just watch finding Nemo as example of this being considered common knowledge. Even if sharks are more social than we assume, they are still very alien and scary in the way they move and look. There is a reason they are the #1 most known sea predator. Taking characteristics of that type of animal, an infamous animal that is really most famous for eating people. You don't hear many stories about sharks saving people. That's why it was effective in applying them to Thanos. Who, like shark, could be a more complex character that to everyone else is just seeking bloodshed.
just want to say great video you deserve 100k subs
There's different types of villains just as how there's different types of heroes.
There's villains who we're supposed to understand and comprehend. They might have been heroic at one point, like Vader.
And then there's villains who are supposed to simply represent evil. Unknowable, incomprehensible evil, because good cannot comprehend true evil much like how evil cannot comprehend good.
Both types are necessary. It's the difference between Saruman and Sauron.
I do agree love Thanos.
Honestly, for me Thanos was the protagonist. I better relate to complex characters who have respect for others, which gains my respect for them. Of course I was still rooting for the heroes, but I feel like I would not have been satisfied if the heroes won. As sometimes, the villains should win.
Amazing video as always. I recommend people to watch nerdsync's video on "The Philosophy of Thanos". To get a better understanding of comic book thanos
Kang wishes he was Thanos.
For those who keep nitpicking and saying "why doesn't Thanos double the resources?"
Baring in minded he's called the MAD Titan, not The Rational Titan
I'll admit as much as I loved End Game and the final battle and the good guys winning, i low key felt bad when he turned to dust
Man, you deserve so many more subscribers! Great video
Underrated
Thanos felt like and unstoppable force in Infinity war since the beginning of the move simply amazing.
Can you make a video giving us your thoughts on synder cut or rant whatever but i really wanna hear your opinion and if it was any better than previous synder movies also if they changed anything to better.
Great video on the third-best cinematic villain ever created in cinema.
The other 2 being Vader and Sauron?
Yes
Thanos is a perfect written villain !!
Badass villains as well .
Perfectly written but definitely not the most iconic or greatest of all
@@mriganabhkashyap1564 Actually he definitely is up there with the most iconic or greatest of all villains.
@@trevturp6891 I agree. He was well-written
Thanos is still alive he used the reality stone to fake his death. He knew they would hunt him down after the snap.
Nice video
you think you'd be able to make a video on Spider-Man (similar to the one about Superman and last week's Batman video). Just wondering since he's my favorite but more importantly, the messages the 3 of them send, the 3 most popular, best superheroes. I just feel there's something that can be said there. Unless of course you've said all you felt the need to say on him and dont need to make a video, my bad. And sorry for commenting this on this video, should've done this on last week's batman video.
yeah I'll definitely tackle spidey soon
Pls which movie was that that explained disc theory on the board from the video
The thing is, Thanos isn't really that deep if you literally think about his goals and motivations for more than five seconds. "Overpopulation" is such a cliched and played-out trope in villain motivations that I'm shocked people are eating it up with Thanos.
Me too honestly. I would have loved to see his comic motivations play out on screen, since they strongly hinted at it in the end of Avengers 1, and then just abandoned the idea.
I have heard before that what they were going for with thanos is that he's supposed to be a genocidal maniac with a Messiah complex.
However, they went overboard with making us simpathise with thanos and that was bad for two reasons:
- it ended up looking like in-universe it made sense to resort to genocide as a solution to overpopulation (which drove me mad)
- and it made thanos in end-game showing his true colors be super weird and almost broke the character
I honestly think infinity war could have used a scene where they call out thanos for what he really is, the scene with gamora in his ship would have been perfect. her adoptive daugther knows him better than anyone else, she could have easily yelled out at thanos for the flaws in his supposed benevolence and made for both a very intense scene as well as avoiding the aformentioned issues.
what other villain was rolling with the overpopulation thing?
I think Thanos was just an insane god who didn't care about the nightmarish consequences of erasing half of the universe, if you deeply think about this, it would seem like being a savior and all that overpopulation stuff was just an excuse, he just wanted to do it just to satisfy his own twisted needs. That's why he has been called the mad titan. He's a very complex character.
out of pocket asf. I cannot think of even 1 other villain with Thanos' motivations & intentions. It's deep considering that China is suffering from the same issue (and arguably the world at large).
They made a compassionate thanos in infinity war so he wouldnt kill their biggest cash cows.
I wonder how the MCU are gonna top Thanos
Doctor Doom.
@@thesuperframe Kang The Conqueror says hi
@@rounakmahato67866 kang turned out to be shit. It's definitely Doom worthy of being the next Thanos
Thanos is by far the best superhero movie villain since Heath Ledger’s Joker.
Great video on my little brother
Diagnosis trying to be the hero because when the population gets high enough there is a giant beast that's going to erupt from the Earth
Interesting
Please do why spider-man works
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I liked infinity war more than endgame
Me too tbh....
Nut Endgame had some sweet scenes tho
Thanos worked to get his salary
Also helps that nearly every line of his has become a meme without him trying to be funny like say Deadpool
Thano's daughters have huge daddy issues ngl
Excuse me Super Frame Why Villain must be relatable to be greath isn't pure evil character like joker,Doflamingo from one piece ,frieza ,majin Boo from Dragon ball, Kira from Jojo bizare adventure,jason from friday the 13th , freddy crueger,M Bison from Street Fighter and Shao Kahn from mortal kombat also iconic , it just my opinion but i think greath villain dosn't need to be Relatable to be Greath villain it will make it greath charackter for sure i give you that but i thing greath villain is antagonis that can chalange the protagonis and very good on attacking it weakness ( igot this idea after watch video title dark knight created ultimate villain )
I have always wondered super frame do you like DC OR MARVEL
I can’t like both ? I’m not a child that has to chose between fandoms, I can like and dislike both simultaneously
I like them equally as much
This is what I’ve been saying, all along that Thanos is the most complex and best villain in the MCU has ever created far more complex than Darkseid was Steppenwolf, even with his human features of Josh Brolin, it magnifies his real character. He’s just much more than a villain, and even watching Ant-man quanta mania Kang the conqueror was not as interesting as the MCU makes him out to be
Darkseid is the best villain since the joker
Urmmm nope really
Dude we've barely seen Darkseid
doctor doom is the best marvel villain lol
Darkseid is for edgy teenagers.
Thanos is for art lovers.
Being the protagonist does not mean he is a good guy.
The biggest crime the Snyder Cut committed...Darkseid didn't put his hands behind his back.
He does tho
He does you can see it when the boom tube opens
He does, then gets pissed and takes it off
@@folliblanc2447 That's even worse. He should have kept it up the whole time.
You are underestimating and downplaying the "force of nature villain", it's even clear now that we have a oversaturation of sympathetic villain. Were every marvel villain has a sad backstory
I think people are pretending he has more of a point then he really does.
Although his motive is definitely coherent.
He's less try to save the universe and more trying to prove he was right.
The dude said that in his video, he literally said “his ego trumps his motive” but it still makes his end goal understandable.
incorrect.
im not at all happy to have to say it, but nether marvel, disney, dc or doctorwho will ever again have such a great villain... not in this current age of ego driven activist writers that see the works of the past as nothing more than a platform to project themselves on
I.....really disagree with this. I hate Thanos as a character. He has the ability to do literally anything, and he considers himself to be a savior, but he uses his powers to destroy instead of using them for actual benefit. Despite the fact that he’s “cursed with knowledge,” he never realizes that he has the power to do literally anything and therefore can end overpopulation in ways that don’t end in pain and suffering. And I don’t like “insanity” excuse because I feel like it just waves away bad writing decisions. Like, if Thanos can alter reality, then why doesn’t he take away the Avengers’ equipment and powers? The conflict in these movies only exists simply because the writers demand it.
I always took it as: he just wanted to kill billions of people and wanted to find a way to make it seem like he was a good guy because he's manipulative and evil. If he actually wanted to end overconsumption, he'd easily figure out the ways to do it.
I literally address this point in the video ? did you even watch it? his ego/narcissism trumps his motivation, he's revealed to be self absorbed in the end, which is what makes him villainous, he doesn't really care about his cause, if he had used the stones for what he intended and fixed the universe instead of destroying half then he'd be a good guy, but he's not the good guy. It's okay to hate his logic but love the character, the reason he doesn't make ideological sense is the reason he's a villain, his plan falls apart under a microscope.
I think Super Frame’s point is that his motivation is hindered by his ego. He regards himself as a paternalistic god towards the universe and thus he thinks he knows best. Even though he should ideally create more resources, he thinks of himself in the terms of an Old Testament god who thinks that the universe should be punished for its sins/transgressions before being nurtured and loved as say in the New Testament. Remember, he is still holding onto the experience of Titan falling not just for his people dying, but rather he told them a solution and his people ignored him to then die off anyway. He think his solution on Titan could have put things “right.” As such, he doesn’t take into account other people’s perspectives because he doesn’t consider them equals in a sense. He uses “children” as a term to describe all living beings and he is the father figure who is trying to “help” his children. In Endgame, his actions through the 2014 Thanos coming into the future and being sadistic, reflects an abusive father figure who is lashing out at his children for them being “ungrateful” for all that he’s done. Whether he should have thought smarter or humanely is not the point. Thanos in his twisted logic is sincere in his beliefs and is willing to go the distance to make it possible. He’s an ideological extremist with an inflated sense of grandeur that lashes out if other people don’t appreciate for what he’s done regardless of what he actually did. Unfortunately, there are real world dictators and authoritarians that have a similar mindset and cause real-world violence. That in my view is what makes Thanos compelling in both Infinity War and Endgame because he’s so real in his psychology.
hence why he is likened to God.
Thanos like many Marvel villains always chokes when it comes to "Phenomenal Cosmic Power". They are certainly powerful enough to obtain the McGuffins of power, and can even outsmart the heroes, but they always succumb to hubris.
Here in the MCU Thaons sees himself as "merciful, and compassionate". He believes that he is doing what needs to be done. Could he have used the McGuffins of power to save the universe in a different way. Perhaps. Remarkcably we still don't know all that much about the guy (hopefully the Eteranals movie gives us some context)
However we do know that Thanos's own planet suffered and eventually passed on. MCU Thanos seems to be suffering from some version of survivors guilt. When one has survivor's guilt one can feel responsible for a tragedy even if there was nothing they could do.
He also mirror's Tony Stark's journey. Tony went from not caring about the world to caring too much. He wanted to seure "Pease in his time". He wanted their to be a final victory, but this was his hubris, it leads him to create Ultron and made him make many mistakes.
Thanos and Tony both want to "save" the universe but Thanos is truely lost. Tony has friends to rely upon, Thanos has "followers and worshipers". I think if Thanos had someone to help him process his tramua he might not have went insane.
But of course that's the terror of Thanos. The fear of one individual getting unlimited power and undeserving of it.
Dude what the fuck... type in "why it works" and you'll see thousands of videos with that exact same text on their thumbnails. Why it works doesnt even mean anything. It's like having an arrow pointing at an image of itself. If you're going to put text on your thumbnail how about something that actually has context within the video or at least just not literally what everyone else is doing... and dont even start with "what they did" thumbnails
All they did was read the Bible, corrupt the image of Christ Jesus (True Lord and Saviour of Mankind)and so you had Thanos. Didn't the video touched on the religious themes of the movie and even showed a text from Genesis?
Cringe
>It's hard to argue with their arguements
No, it's pretty easy to argue with them. Especially Killmonger who is just awfully written as a villain in an equally bad film.
Thank god MCU tweaked Thanos a bit, never ever liked comic Thanos. Such a weak villain....
You've read the comics? Suspect to be honest. What's weak about being in love with death because of nihilist philosophy which stems from one's own freudian complex of the death wish, which Jim Starlin overtly infused into Thanos? Do you know Freud's theories? Psychopathology? Subconscious?
@@Frogman1212 thanos is a simp in the comics
@@Frogman1212 You spittin fax
@@thanos7459 Thank you
@@Frogman1212 yet you people have a problem with Darkseid being the embodiment of evil when Jack Kirby intended him to be like. Then come up with baseless arguements to explain how villains like Darkseid or Palpatine are garbage because they aren't relatable. I can agree with the cact that understandable villains like Vader being more interesting and compelling, but certain villains work best when they're presented as absolute piece of shit.
Kang sucks
sorry my guy but thanos makes good sense? the guy is geniuly stupid and at the same level as a middle school child. do be a compelling villain or character in general you can't just have no knowledge of basic economics espcially when you have a power that pretty much can do anything. wiping out half the universe in the movie is just a temporary 20 years old solution and its so baffling how these writers manages to fool many people to symphatizing with a misguided delusional tragic shrek who you can't agree with. the only good thing was the cgi and performance like you said but his character cant be taken seriously at the plan standpoint or most of all the absurd child mindset that doesn't know how to fix overpopulation.
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