Matias modded switch comparison video (clicky, quiet click, tactile, quiet tactile)
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2015
- A quick video showing what happens when you mix up Matias Click and Matias Quiet Click switches, compared to the originals.
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This video could be tagged with an ASMR tag and you would get a *ton* of views. This is really quality.
Thanks, I'll give it a go :) .
No, seriously. Between your drone and some nice ALPS blues, and you could make some money.
IMO, you build a keyboard out of Matias Quiet Clicks and it is literally ASMR: The keyboard.
I could listen to you read an audiobook. The clicks are as always, pleasant to the ears.
Thank you - you helped me decide on the Tactile Pro as opposed to the Quiet Pro - as I am looking for more tactile feedback :)
i actually built a planck keyboard about a year ago with clicky leafs & dampened stems, and am very happy with it, definately recommend it!
They seem soooo smooth
Hey Chyrosan22;
My favourite key switch at the moment is the "ALPS SKCM White Damped".
I'm planning to build an ortholinear keyboard and am still undecided wether to pick brandnew "Matias Quiet Click" switches or to eviscerate ALPS siwtches from an AEKII
Just to mention: I totaly dislike "Alps SKCM Black" my old NeXT keyboard has those. According to the wiki the design is similar, but how about the keyfeel?
What would you recommend?
I've built my tmk alps64 recently with Matias Quiet Switches + Matias Click Switch on Enter. The Enter sounded too loud to me. Inspired by this video I swapped the slider for the dampened one. Now it's perfect. Thank You :)
I hope they'll make true quiet clickies, like your F5. It's my favorite sound of all.
Have you ever experienced Matias Clicky switches being scratchy? I just tried the Matias mini Tactile Pro, and found it to be really scratchy, definitely not what I was expecting.
Definitely needs a redux, at least sound.
Does removing the rubber dampeners from the Matias QC produce the same switch as swapping a tactile leaf into the Matias Click?
yes. As long as you also lube the tactile leaf.
You cannot go the other way around. The stem with dampers is a different stem, and dampeners cannot be added to click stems.
I'm a bit confused, so, the quiet click and clicky are the original switches from matias and the 2 on the right are the ''modded'' ones?
Nice summary!
How did you get the "quiet click" keys? they sound so quiet and still seem to have a great feel. Did you just add O-rings to dampen them?
He explained it in the video, which is that he disassembled the switches and then swapped out the leafs inside of them (which provides the tactility and clicky tactility respectively). I just realised that this is 11 months old, not one month old as I read previously lol.
i'm thinking of converting my kbp v60 matias clicky with quiet stems, currently i have o-rings on them which does dampen the downstroke quite a bit, but the upstroke is still quite loud
+VoodaGod Yeah, O-rings have the annoying side effects of shortening the key travel considerably and I don't like the impact feeling either. Plus, as you mentioned, they don't dampen the upstroke. Alps' dampers have none of these issues.
+Chyrosran22 I don't know if there're different kind of oring or something but in my case the oring doesn't shorten my key travel but instead it heighten my keycap by approximately the thickness of the ring which made me raised my palm rest as well.
Hi do you know when you'll have the video out for the matias quite linear switch review? i've been looking for keys with 35g actuation force and the only ones i've found are the gateron clear switches, but i've heard that these quite linear keys are (as the name suggests) a lot quieter. Also could you please do a comparison on the cherry mx red, gateron clear and matias quite linear keys please?
+Vtunngle I don't have any Gaterons or Matias linear switches yet. I do have one Cherry MX Red switch though. If they're not too expensive I might get some in the future :) .
Chyrosran22 yeah the price is an issue, however you can get the
matias quite linear switches here
matias.ca/order/#switches
and the gateron clear switches here
mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1270
the gaterons have fairly good pricing, but you don't have to get the matias switches if they're too expensive :) hope to see your review soon.
Vtunngle Yeah that's way too expensive, that kind of money gets me about 10 full keyboards :p . Maybe I should start a Kickstarter :p .
Would you point me in the direction of good alps boards? I'm sold on the Matias switches. I found a crowdfunded maker that has backlit Matias quiet clicks, but it's the ergo design (which I like) and it's $325 US.
If you like their quiet switches, the difference isn't that huge with genuine Alps switches, but the clicky ones feel a bit different. If you're willing to shell out, try finding an OmniKey, they're outstanding boards (as long as they're really clean of course). If you want a cheaper one, you can try a Focus 2001 or something similar but you'll have to ID the switches.
I didn't do my homework and went with a KBParadise 60% board with Matias Quiet Clicks. MassDrop rogered me with an exorbitant shipping fee, then hit me with an additional $25 processing COD. Scumtacular. The keyboard itself seems badly designed with a nonsensical array of key combinations. If you want to delete something, you don't, say, hit shift backspace or even Function backspace, but function F. Mac support is very limited; the dip switches don't add to much. I could go on. Anyway, the switches themselves are also a bit disappointing. Not really tactile except in comparison to a linear maybe, but no crispness at all. I'm considering your modding trick.
Thanks Chyrosran22 :). So if I wanted to create the Quiet Clicky version, I would just purchase x number of Clicky switches, x number of either the Quiet Tactile or Quiet Linear, and transfer/substitute the Clicky leaf into either of the Quiet switches?
Yes, simple as that really :) . The linear version has a much lighter spring, so you'd have to use the clicky spring.
Thanks again :D!
+Chyrosran22 Can the characteristics of the Quiet Click Matias mod be achieved with a mod using salvaged Alps switches?
You can either click-mod or click-swap dampened Alps switches, yeah.
Really usefull. Thanks!
Is it possible to add a damper to the stem of a Matias Clicky?
No, you need one of the dampened sliders.
hoi chyros, since you (and a brand new dell 'bigfoot' i got for basically the price of shipping) convinced me of the One True ALPS Way®™, i have just emptied my back account on a kbparadise v80 with matias 'quiet click' (i.e. tactile) switches..
so i was wondering, can you be convinced to do a video on modding these switches to be 'un-dampened'? : ) i mean showing how to remove the silicone dampener..
It's pretty easy to take them out, but hard to put back together. Alps are MUCH easier to put back together than Matias.
that's why i'm asking for help and guidance from the keyboard god (lol saw this under one of vweslife's videos). i don't want to mess the new board up and i have no spare switches.
It's easier to do when you don't desolder the switches; the contacts will remain more stationary. Seriously though, it's not a fun job, and you might well mess up a couple. Apart from putting them back together, it's just like Alps. Just take off the keycap, open the switch with your tool of choice (I use cocktail sticks and toothpicks, some use a knife), take out the slider, take out the dampers (they are very straightforward to remove), replace slider, and replace put without fucking up the terminals. Good luck!
Chyrosran22 thanks man. : )
This is so confusing. Apparently I can't really get a Matias with normal clicky switches where I live, only the "quiet pro" model that has the "Clicky quiet" switches in it, which are the "grey" ones.
Arethose the same as the "quiet tactile" you mentioned in this video?
Yes. They have since changed the slider colour from white to grey.
hah okay I went the safe route and after some time I managed to find a UK vendor willing to ship me a new clicky tactilepro. Thanks!
how does matias tactile compared to the actual vintage alps? / to be specific matia click vs ALPS SKCM White in terms of typing feel. Thanks a lot
I haven't tried a whole keyboard with them in so I can't say for sure. The sound is definitely worse though.
Thanks a lot though, im deciding if i could buy a keyboard with Matias clicks.
I don't know that I would say 'worse' but it's definitely different.
Now a Cherry clicky sound? That's definitely worse.
Are the "Quiet Click" switches the same ones that can be found in e.g. KBParadise with "Matias Quiet Click"? Or have you modified the switches / keys somehow?
No, Matias' Quiet Click switches aren't actually clicky; these are modifications.
Chyrosran22 Fair enough. Do you have an opinion on the official Matias Quiet Click? Also, have you tested the MX Pink switches? I am on an impasse concerning the purchase for a open office "total silence or else your head" situation I have at work.
Philip Alexander Hassialis Going to hold out on that for the moment until I get full boards of each ;) .
Oh but this would be a battle for the ages, which one is the quietest of them all? :)
Also, if this video does come to pass can you do a comparison between the typing sensation of the Matias Click vs the classic MX Blue (or brown for that matter, the click is real :) )
I don;t like any of the quiet ones. Just the clicky.
Now the FEEL of the tactile can probably only be FELT.
So if one of these modules can be sold, that would be cool.
What creates the rattle? Does whatever Matias use to dampen the switches remove some of the play in the switch?
***** The rattle is due to the materials used to make the switch. Although similar in construction, old Alps switches didn't have this rattley sound. The way Matias (again, taken from Alps) dampen their switch is using rubber inserts in the sliders, which cushions the slider impact on the down- AND upstroke. It shouldn't remove the play in the switch, but does remove the rattle by softening the blow to the switch housing.
+Chyrosran22 What kind of plastics do you think Alps, and Cherry, were/are using for their switches, particularly the sliders? Polyoxymethylene?
+dalriada842 Yes, that's what I'm thinking. I think the sliders might be POM and the housings could be PBT (I think Alps actually mention this in their patent). That said the plastics composition seems to have changed over time though.
Actually just recently added a Matias Click 60% KBp V60 to my collection with some Dolche Doubleshot keycaps. Exceptionally different feeling compared to most my Cherry boards and even my Topre boards. It really is very nice feeling to type on though i can''t imagine doing much gaming on it.
but someone, that was helpful. thx
Gday mate, can you confirm that the click and the quiet click leaf's are the same i've read online that they are different.i was side grading from a IBM model M and i've purchased the quite click and are disappointed that it has no actuation click only a mushy rubber dome style tactile bump,wondering if i should return the keyboard and get the clicky switch or find a place to buy some clicky switches so i can rob the clicky leaf's.
+VeggeMight Hey mate, no they ARE different! The quiet click switches are a misnomer; they are NOT clicky, just tactile. They way it works is that the click leaf in the quiet switches (actually a tactile leaf) has two folded flaps at the top that blocks the leaf from being pulled forward and making a clicky noise. Because it's not pulled forward as much, the tactility in these quiet switches is not as strong as that in the clicky switches. The mushiness of the switch comes from the rubber dampers; they're a relatively good way of damping the switches, but of course it has its consequences. Because Matias switches are based on the Alps design you can open them without desoldering them fortunately, and yes you can substitute in click leaves to make them clicky (you can also take out the dampers if you want) but because Matias use a less well-designed contact mechanism they're not quite as easy to reassemble as genuine Alps. Hope this helps :) .
Very helpful,do you know if bending these folded flaps down will result in a clicky leaf?
+VeggeMight Theoretically you could but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't fit in the switch anymore, you'd have to cut the flaps off, and that's quite a faff really.
Any chance you'd sell that little creation you've made there?
+Tristan Claude I didn't actually make it myself, but they're sold out now.
I want a silent, speed, clicky, rgb
Please tell me you sell the quiet click!
I'm pretty sure Thomas doesn't really sell any products in the community. If you're willing to, doing the quiet/dampened click mod would be fairly simple, if you're willing to buy both a batch of clickies and an equal number of tactiles.
Out of all of these which is closest to alps blues
The clicky one, but I wouldn't say they're that similar. Don't expect them to give a representative experience.
So it's basically a linear click?
i guess i made my own switches my name is actually matias
f3 sounds best imo
Matias just don't have that alps sound to them. Witch sucks because they are the closest thing to real alps in today's world right?
hmm theres a kb paradise v80 with fukka/fuhua switches that are the closest to white alps. Just ordered it today and waiting on it, watched afew videos and it sounds way louder than matias clicky switches, its basically an alps clone
This is complicated.
+almorik The Matias switches aren't as complicated as I would like. If they'd copied the Alps SKCM blues, and used gold plated contacts for longevity, they might have been much more successful.