Students use Cheating Machine to Cheat
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2023
- Schools are struggling to cope with AI cheating - and the problem of false positives.
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As someone who recently went BACK to finish his degree, Chegg was useful as many tenured teachers were absolutely f-ing USELESS as instructors. The TA's were far more useful a resource.
yeah there were so many instances where i learned infinitely more by looking up the answers to homework and then practicing the method that they used, than i did from my lectures. i guess it's easy for students to use it to just blow off homework but it was a genuine help to me
Tenured instructors are the worst, just awful
This was my college experience 100%, why is my business teacher screaming about what a politician did we have a test tomorrow! So many late night of me using chegg to actually teach me how to do the work so I don’t fail. No idea how people used chegg on test, maybe for tests that teacher just pulled right out of a book?
can confirm
@@hankwells2637 Teachers reuse their exams, which end up on Chegg. They also crib questions off OTHER teacher's exams in my experience. Good chance if you learn the Chegg exams the one you get will be functionally the same.
Dude I love how 1 minute and 30 seconds in and linus has already figured out more than any of the “engineering” professors at my uni. And has some compassion as to why students do it.
Yup
Mhmmm
Has any of your professors told you the bs unspoken requirement that you're supposed to spend something like 120 hours a week per class on studying? Absolutely ridiculous that someone could even say that out of their mouths even as a joke but some professors were actually serious about it. Goes to show that people will make someone else suffer the same way they did instead of pushing for a change. Thanks to chegg and ai I can work and go to school without crashing from lack of sleep or having mild psychosis.
@@sleeplessomniman5204 plus, the professors reuse tests and essay topics for years in a row. Making it so easy to cheat that if you don't you will be massively behind the rest of the class and fall below the inevitable curve at the end.
Higher education is rediculous
I don't know what it is that makes SAIT Instructors different, but my classes only had one bad teacher, and that was because he was squeaky new, and not good at speaking to/preparing for a crowd. And he made huge improvements over that semester.
This is the THIRD year that Linus has complained about the Google assistant not saving contact names
The wild thing too is since 2014 Apple would let you tell Siri how to pronounce a name so that you’d never have this issue again
@@Ben-dy9gh (͡•_ ͡• ) As someone who doesn't use Siri all that often I didn't know this. That's pretty neat!
It's been happening to me for about a year too... 🤔
it not that it won't save it is the problem that voice to text doesn't work even after 20 years after the first solution came out for it. The same goes for windows and cortana
Google is too busy doing evil to spend time on doing good. 🤷
I am a Graduate Teaching Assistant in a Scottish university. Just before exams they sent out an email warning that AI detection tools don't really work, and we should overall not worry about AI use unless it is super clear. I was impressed by the levelled response
Yeah, that seems to be the wisest response. It's probably a waste of time and resources to try to detect AI use, and really wouldn't solve the overall cheating problem anyway.
These guys haven't heard of a Russian student who made his senior project in two days with ChatGPT, bragged about it, almost got himself expelled, fought his right to use ChatGPT as a tool and got his diploma after all.
Bruh
@@somezsaltz6835 classic bruh moment
In their defense, Chegg was amazing to me as an engineering student. They have the solution manuals for the engineering book problems and many times they have different solving paths from different people. It is an amazing learning tool. If you find the actual answers to tests on the site, you have a lazy teacher who only copy/pasted stuff from books.
Actually, in this remote environment, students have taken pictures of exam questions and uploaded them to Chegg.
Jokes on them though, because Chegg made a mistake on one of them, so I make sure that every student gets that question. Makes it easy to find the cheaters.
@@davidalearmonth what if the question genuinely sucks and that's why everyone gets it wrong?
@@tomikun8057 Plenty of people get it right. Chegg just messed up by rounding at an intermediate step. That, and they didn't show their work, so when I ask students to fill in the missing lines they cannot.
@@davidalearmonth rewording the problem would make it hard to find in chegg. Showing a diagram instead would make it almost impossible.
@@Haliya. google image search
ChatGPT being the end to homework would be dope
I hope we also had aliens
Homework is the embodiment of everything wrong with traditional education. It only exists to boost the grades of stupid people.
And to offload the work of teaching from teachers to the students.
are you saying this because you genuinely believe chatgpt will be a better learning experience…. or because you just don’t want to do homework 🤨
@@notawesomebread Both, both are good
I'm so glad I finished my degree before ChatGPT became big; it sounds like a nightmare to deal with these accusations in University.
So a lecturer asked AI to tell him who cheated
That is, he let the AI do the work for him
He cheated
Rules for thee, not for me
I believe Universities shouldn't fight against AI tools. They just need to work on new ways to assess students. Because the fight against AI is a losing war.
Found the AI!
100%
I think the main issue right now is AI has blindsided them with their pants down so they are just in full panick mode not sure what to do currently
How loose?
@@DrBojanglez105 very loose
TBH University had it coming for a long time. Atleast here in Germany they only test your knowledge and in my experience I forget everything I learned within a month or two. I really think they should reevaluate what a University is and how to teach people…
The use of ai text checkers is exceedingly terrible at the moment. They can't even figure out the difference between quoted words and your actual paper so half the time it'll highlight quotes and say an ai wrote it. Like no duh the peer reviewed source I am quoting sounds too buisness like. Also, the checkers can be avoided entirely if you just ask the ai to write some small grammatical errors in the text or say the target audience are your peers.
you can just take your entire plagerised paper shove it into chatgpt and ask it to do a full rewrite maintaining content even asking it to add personal flair to it
i use it for my resume i write a loose draft then feed it to chatgpt and ask it to imrpove upon it for me giving it input like be more assertive be less dominating ect
for example heres what i just said after i asked chat gpt to rewrite for me
"You can simply input your entire paper, which may have been plagiarized, into ChatGPT and request a comprehensive rewrite while preserving the content. You can even ask it to add a personal touch to the paper.
I utilize this approach for my resume by creating a rough draft and then using ChatGPT to enhance it further. I provide specific instructions such as making the language more assertive or less dominating, allowing ChatGPT to refine the document to my liking."
and one more with the instruction to make it sound less like the orignal source
"
You have the option to feed your complete paper, which may have been plagiarized, into ChatGPT and ask for a complete rewrite while ensuring the content remains intact. Additionally, you can request ChatGPT to infuse it with a personal touch.
For my resume, I follow a similar process where I initially create a rough draft and then seek assistance from ChatGPT to enhance it. By providing specific guidance, such as emphasizing assertiveness or toning down dominance, ChatGPT assists me in refining the document according to my preferences.""
if i gave you all 3 you might notice but if im plagerising something off the web theres enough change there in language and tone where i doubt it would notice
Imagine having to artificially introduce errors to the text to seem more legit.
It's about as unintuitive and shitty of a solution as supporting creators on youtube by downvoting their videos, since being more controversial might be liked by the algorithm more than outright likes. And even that is impossible to verify.
And if you just put in some effort and let ChatGPT only generate bullet points for you to write the full essay yourself there is no way to detect that
@@portalwalker_ Which feels like an incredibly legitimate way to use an ai assistant, but no institution will be able to actually have a nuanced idea of what is and isn't cheating
Went from “wow AI is getting crazy” to “HHHRHRRRGGNNNN I CANT CALL HOFMANN” real quick
As a language model, I'm fine with students cheating because wide-spread incompetence means I will be indispensable.
Imagine being perfect student. Having an excellent essay..only to be it flagged as AI written.
Bothering no longer matters.
At this point, I don't use chatgpt to do my homework, I use it to troubleshoot my code and to proof read my writing.
Also chegg sells all of the answers to all of my courses for like $10 a month
Yeah, Chegg's super cheap.
@@TheVirtualObserver if you don't live in a third world country where $10 is equal to a week's worth of food
@@WatamelonUberSheep while I agree with that, if you need it you likely can afford it
Yeah, chegg’s been the predecessor to ChatGPT. I’ve never used it but I hear it’s great.
Troubleshooting code with chat is the new stackoverflow
If Google wants a fool proof way of making sure the assistant can identify contact names, then they should just have you record a voice line when you make the contact.
Just have a prompt that says SAY "CALL _INSERT CONTACT NAME_ ALOUD."
And then you say it, and it uses that as the base for how it interprets how you personally say the name of that contact.
I really like how schools and teachers always try their best to make it hard , depressing and expensive as possible for students to pass and get a degree.
Instead of asking themselves why students are exhausted, depressed and always try to find a new way to cheat and never to change their way and give less bullshit homeworks.
(showing my age) Back in my day (before the Internet but there were BBS's), there were underground essay mills. I never used one (they wanted money of course, which I rarely had), but I know several students (many honors even, often from well-off families) used them. Some would hardly ever attend classes, yet still get B's or even A's. Yet, I would be one of those honest students who got dinged for academic dishonesty on a bullshit paper for Comp 102, with little recourse, so I told them to go f*ck themselves, and went a more technical route (which I should've done in the frst place). I can only imagine how even more screwed-up universities are today...
I honestly think the discussion should shift to teaching ethical AI use. I literally have used chatgpt to generate training scripts (with tweaks), format closed caption transcripts, and pull names from training chat logs for attendance. I have even used it to help with some code on personal projects. Ignoring it is damaging to everyone because it is a powerful tool that exists for anyone to use.
I don't think this is even a question of ethical AI use, it is a more general question of when any tool or tactic becomes cheating. It is not AI specific. In particular, the actual objective of homework and take away assignments is not 'complete the assignment'. It is to refine or demonstrate your understanding.
It is not even a hard ethics question as long as you present it right. You can present it as 'I would like you to achieve x by doing y, and I will be verifying that you have achieved y'. Any method of achieving y that does not achieve x is cheating. It is barely even an ethics question at all, because a lot of the time the issue is people having different understandings of what the assignment actually is due to it not being specified. Again, this is not specific to AI (though getting AIs to understand this is an interesting hard problem in it's own right). Whenever anybody wants x, and uses y as a proxy for it, if you aim to achieve y rather than x you are cheating them.
As a kid I was smart enough to see the easiest way to do most tasks, but dumb enough to fail to realise that when assigned homework the task was not 'do the homework', no matter what the teacher said. It was 'refine your understanding of x using this task'. I really wish somebody had made that explicit more often.
That sounds like DARE all over again. Noone is going to listen to "bE etHIcAl wiTh AI!" They're just going to do the rational thing and cheat anyway.
@@agsystems8220 I was the same way with homework. I also always hated the "show your work" rule because I thought the grade was the goal, with the correct answer being the path to that goal. If there was a shortcut that bypassed work, then why not take it? There were very few cases where I got interested enough in something homework-related to explore it even a little bit.
I breezed through grade school with a higher than 4.0 GPA, taking all of the college prep courses and passing AP tests for college credit, but once I got to university I struggled with the math. Math was always my easiest subject because it's just hard, logical rules that build on each other. I hadn't been given a good foundation in my latest grade school courses that covered it and instead was made to memorize the steps for doing specific things. Homework was the only chance to extract generalized knowledge hidden in the steps, and I didn't take advantage of it. Professors assume you have all of the prerequisite knowledge and make no effort to fill in the blanks. Other subjects didn't differ quite so much since they're less linear, but that one was a big shock. I ended up having to withdraw from my first math class (Cal 2).
In the US, grade school is paced so slowly that I had to make little effort to fundamentally understand things, but university is faster paced and requires actual effort to keep your understanding caught up with what is being covered. University courses aren't taught; they have to be actively learned. It's less effort from whomever is the head of the class and more effort from the students. Grade school doesn't teach kids how to learn. It might offer "study skills" and "college prep" but still only teaches that the grade is the goal. I guess that's to be expected from something that literally has "Grade" in the name. They grade instead of teach.
exactly. we didn't ban calculators we changed how we taught math
The professors do not even make their own questions. Professors from schools across the nation use the same questions, and a few nobel students help to share it on Quizlet. If professors are allowed to be dishonest, then they are setting an example for students.
"When students cheat on exams it's because our School System values grades more than students value learning"
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
What an insipid quote. The source is most unsurprising.
@@CJO175 The guy excels at saying absolutely nothing of substance with the most pomposity possible.
@@bbking006 hate for him seems so unwarranted, he is just a guy with a podcast these days
@@bbking006 to be fair, the quote is correct, and it does provide a useful perspective
@@bbking006 a lot of stuff he says is fucking stupid, but I'd say that this isn't one of them.
I frequently report multiple comments and always receive a notification that content has been removed. Why aren't they just feeding confirmed positive hits into their models to recognise these posts?
I'm so glad I graduated right before ChatGPT. Having to worry about professors thinking your essay is AI generated because of a false positive, or even because they just decided to trust ChatGPT's answer of whether it is, just adds to a lot of the stress that college already was.
That voice calling thing is truly amazing. Back in the day of Ericsson T28 and Nokia 3310 you could have voice dialing where you recorded a voice clip of their name, and then when voice dialing it would compare your speech with the clips stored in your contacts. It was even smart enough to ignore the word "call" in front. And this was back in the day of black and white displays and physical keypads and when (wired) earbuds for phonecalls was considered a luxury.
And it managed this on a 13Mhz processor with 1KB of ram. Yes, kilobyte. As in one-thousanth of a megabyte of ram.
Meanwhile our gigahertz octa-core smartphones with tens of gigabytes of ram cannot dial someone because their last name contains one too many n's or has an accent. 🤦♂
Isn't Gmail part of Google? You know, that email service that has had spam nailed for over a decade. Can they share what works between their own departments?
Except they don't have it nailed. Google calendar has been having constant issues with spam bots going into your calendar via Gmail and putting NSFW items in your Google calendar.
They put their own CZcams email in spam today :)
These services end up becoming a necessity when we get stuck with bad professors.
The fact that Google doesn't have Assistant apply a fuzzy search over your contacts (and it's not just a weird idiosyncratic issue for Linus, I get this too) is absolutely bonkers. It's one of the things Google as a company is specifically good at. That's why you can often type mangled, misspelled garbage into the search engine and still find exactly what you were looking for. And that kind of sophistication isn't even necessary for this situation, you'd solve a huge percentage of the problem by just looking for names that have only a few letters different. Absolutely unbelievable.
Gpt just revealing how garbage the edu system has been in a measurable way.
An in-person interview will need to be held at some point in their lives. If they cheat on their exams, and haven't learned anything, then they will simply fail later.
I was taking a few online classes this spring and I definitely could tell when someone posted one of those public assignments using AI. It's so easy to tell most of the time, specially coming from Chat GPT. The sad part is that students don't even read what the AI says, if they used it as an actual tool and not a servant it would be better because at least you can learn from reading.
I was never dumb in school (rarely did homework) but the one thing i struggled with was the first paragraph of essays. I never really understoo what a thesis statement was or how to make my own. The fact that kids now can just type "example of thesis statement using this idea:" would have saved me so much time and stress. I did perfect in math history and science (bad grades cuz i didnt do homework) but i failed english class twice and had to take it online to pass. It's not because i lacked the ability to understand, but my rigidly logical way of thinking always made it hard for me to actually write an intro paragraph to an essay even though i knew what i needed to write about
I was a CS lecturer at university for a semester when my research supervisor went on sabbatical. It takes a bit of effort from lecturers to prevent cheating on assignments.
I had 8 or so in-class mini assignments with a tight time limit. It was in software engineering so they had to design a solution to a problem. Instead of coding they had to describe the components of the solution and their interactions using architectural principles they'd learned throughout their degree.
Because the time limit was so short and it was in class, there was no opportunity to cheat - those that tried ran out of time. Of the 8, I ignored the 2 worst grades. It was quite intensive to grade, but the students learned a lot and it was good for me to spot common pitfalls within the solution architecture and communicate it back to them.
With coding group assignments, git also helps a ton. I could easily see whether they procrastinated throughout the semester and tried to do it in the last weekend. I could see which group members didn't contribute much.
Teaching, especially in tech, has to evolve with how things look in industry. If a student wants to undermine their own learning by cheating, that's always been an option. It's like piracy, banning/blocking/legislation is one strategy but arguably it should just be made so impractical to cheat that students don't do it.
Yep the false positive part is a huge issue at my school. For example a close friend in my history course got acused of ai with a 80% on a checker. Only issue with this is that I literally watched him write the essay as I sit next to him so I knew for a fact he did not cheat. It’s kinda annoying as every writing assignment 1-3 kids get a used of ai cheating (we have small classes so 3 kids is a large enough percentage of the grade where it’s concerning)
Another thing the phone should do is that if there's a name it cant understand for some reaon then when you give up and "use the screen" it should save a recording of how you said it and match against that next time. It seems so obvious, it blows my mind that it doesn't already do that.
This is what happens when the education system prioritizes the grade vs the actual things the students will use. So naturally, students are gonnna focus more on getting a good grade.
*cheaters. Cheaters have always been there and wanted to take an easy way. There are cheaters in sports as well.
This sounds like a problem mostly for essay type questions in tests. Not really an issue for engineering exams.
Talkback and google assistant are the only things letting my blind uncle interact with his phone and it sucks doo doo. Assistant works correctly like 50% of the time and until recently has always asked for confirmation on the screen. He accidentally changed his reading speed but changing it in settings doesnt do anything, instead they tell you to memorise a bunch of gestures for special menus which he barely understands anyway
Chegg isn’t really a cheating tool. If you are using it that way you won’t do good on tests. It’s just a good way to see how people do a problem which is generally a more intuitive way than a professor shows. After seeing the method I will just implement it in my study.
the thing with chegg is that it gives answers with steps so if you need to solve something but you cant figure it out because your course doesnt give you the right resources you can find the answers on chegg. Being able to see answers even if only for checking your own work is very helpful for studying, that doesnt mean youre cheating and just submitting those answers since usually those kind of exercises arent even for your grade theyre just practice.
Say what you will about Siri, at least it remembers contact names! xD
Most American universities are just daycare for adults at this point. The school system here outright admits that poorly performing students will just get a pass.
Poorly performing students don’t just get an automatic pass in college. What are you talking about?
found the hick that probably didnt even finish hs
No they are not LMAO, trust me, *multiple* people I know (who were good, students in HS, better than me, even) have been put on suspension for poor performance. You're talking out of your ass LMAO
The thing is with these s*x bots is that they use characters other than standard alphabets, it's trivial for humans, but might require an algorithm to detect this via code or software. But knowing that it is Google and have these top programmers, i'm not sure what's happening there.
At my uni, we can't even really cheat that much if we want to.
They have a policy where if our average grades in class and tests were to differ each other by around 20% of max grade, we would have to redo the higher scored one (they choose a random class assignment/test).
If we get somewhat near the grade we got, it's in the clear. If not... yeah, let's just say there will be consequences (like, very *BAD* consequences).
So how do they stop you from cheating when you retake that test or assignment?
AI Plagiarism isn't detectable. It's like Encryption. You don't know the original prompt that resulted in the hash.
there are websites that give you chegg answers for free
like what?
Yeah, like what?
@@OpLapDancePikachu69@supersarge2456 Quizlet has done great things for me, although not a 1 to 1 comparison
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@@MixTwentyOne Quizlet always had what I was looking for, it helped a lot with the non technical courses that I wasn't interested in.
I wonder if that texas professor incident got resolved cause everyone's critiqued the professor's judgement not to mention he held back like half of his students from graduating
Recently i wrote an essay and put it through the AI detector. It claimed it was 97% written by AI. It also has issues where different people putting in the same text will have different results, such as how I saw a thread on twitter of people putting in the constitution and it saying it was, at the least, 65% written by AI and at one point claimed it was over 90% written by AI, which was funny. But yeah, most of the AI detectors dont really work all that well, which makes it sucky for false positives that commonly happen.
It's just like when hand-held calculators appeared. Slide rules vanished in like 2 years during exams.
8:33 On my pixel, I asked it to call "Person Kroun" and it recognized it as "Person Crown", but it worked anyway. I think only the pixel phones get this new Google assistant luxury of phonetics lol
The Google assistant limitations is so annoying. And Gboard predictions are still so terrible. Google claims it's don't something with AI but can't implement a little bit of it in our daily lives?
I sear when the phoned asked "who do you want to call?", I answered "Ghostbusters" xD
the problem with Looking for an image something like an attractive bottom is that Ai now looking for accounts with a but image could mistake so many things for the image & just get it wrong. It is much better to find them using text like a user name
I've never even heard of Chegg being controversial until Chat GPT came along. When I was in college just a few years back it was basically a given that everyone used Chegg. I swear hardly anyone would get through college without it.
Alternative title: schools are confronted with the terrifying reality of realizing that memorizing content doesn't actually provide any cognitive advantages
When teachers ask for an essay analizing ans aspect of something, to evaluate the comprehension, the critical thinking, the capacity to create links, memorizing does not apply, but the AI do the job, so what is the point. And yes, I am a teacher but I am also a student.
Writing an essay is not just memorizing content.
So would you prefer your surgeon to ask chatgpt what to do next or would you rather have him memorised all the human organs, what do they do, how to stop a bleeding, etc. etc.? Memorising shit is literally half the reason any kind of experts of anything exist...
@@tropicalfruit4571 memorizing has very bad rep and it truly has its benefits. I am not saying that bad educative systems are not abusing the concept and stupidly basing education on memorization, I am agreeing, memorization is not inherently bad and it is necessary often. Complex topic, education.l
Almost none of school is memorisation. The idea is that you understand the content and generate answers from that understanding. If you don't understand calculus, but just keep memorising more and more patterns, you're eventually going to run out of memory. Then the students that understand will rocket past you
Its almost as if grading students on cramming and essays and tests are a bad way to assess someone in a real world setting! crazy that!
As an I.T. Tech, I use Google all the time, is that also considered cheating?
Why have schools? We can Google anything now 😂
Well it is one thing to use google to gain references then use them to write an essay. But it is another thing to have an AI write an entire essay to write something for you.
As a teacher, Chegg has been great for catching cheaters. Because I found a question where they made a mistake, so now I make sure all my students get that question. It's not a trap if they're doing the exam properly. (I'm teaching the course fully remotely, so we're placing a lot of trust in the students. But we certainly have methods to verify, at least in the case of the most egregious cheaters.)
As long as you allow a student to find out why their hw answers are wrong or how to fully solve the question afterwards. I'm with you on it. I use Cheg for hw if I have a professor that doesn't even give a way for the students to find out what they did wrong afterwards. Or a way to do it correctly.
As a student that pays tuition I do not fully agree with that. Of course its not useful to memorize everything but in basically any profession you will need to be able to think on your feet and apply the knowledge you learned in real time, without having to consult a website/ai tool. But yeah, otherwise fair point. If I do not remember something I look up my notes or the relevant powerpoint slides or whatever, that does not sound too different then asking an ai.
I just hope you're a good teacher.
@@kendarr Most people think I am. But being fully remote, students aren't required to show up, so I think some of them are taking the easy way out and cheating on the homework, and then the exams. I wish they would just learn the materials, I'm always available to meet on zoom or email over questions.
@@Shardus_Blunder Oh definitely! I give answers for everything. I'm not sure why they would need Chegg in my course.
It's amazing how much AI is used to figure out how to squeeze money out of us, but none of it is used to actually provide value to the consumer. All of my voice assistants are practically garbage and have to be tuned with specific names for devices to even remotely approximate the natural language needed to control the devices. I can't believe they get it sooo wrong.
In the 1980s math classes said we wouldn't have calculators that was proven wrong now the same thing is happening with AI for English classes in the 2020s.
Bingo
I'm an editor and I think most people suck at writing even if they have a Master's degree or even PHD. Heck, using CharGPT enough might actually force people to learn how to write coherently...
@@KoopstaKlicca thats a good point they should only be introduced after the kids already show they know how to write small essays and because Ai makes some bad writing more focos in later schooling should be put on improving existing text than making new text
A lot of my friends in other programs have been using ChatGPT to finish assignments but for me it's been absolutely useless. I was playing around with it, and I asked it to give a proof of the Triangle Inequality (something done within the first lecture or two of a real analysis class) and it made a grievous error. I also tried a proof that sqrt(2) is irrational without contradiction and I nearly had to give it the answer before it got it
Yeah chatgpt is just terrible for doing almost any nontrivial maths. I gave it some basic number theory problems from an old course I took and it pretty much trips itself up with simple logical errors and made up reasoning.
Sidebar on the Google Assistant:
Until such time as we can select the name to call it, (I'm not doing "Hey Google") I'm out.
I am talking to Jarvis, or no one. (Speech to text has never heard my non=accent before, cause BOY does it assemble some bangers)
Two things 1) We clearly need a new way to assess students instead of something that’s easily cheated. We’ve needed that for so long already because we’ve gotten to the point where standardized tests require a thumbprint to verify identity. That just shouldn’t be a thing, they’re very much fighting the wrong battle and it’s a losing one.
2) You would think, with all the money CZcams as an entity itself already has and that they want to continue to extract from people via adblock circumvention, they would come up with a way to provide a better user experience worthy of sitting through ads or paying the ridiculous sum of money they want for premium. But instead they want the money without the providing the product.
AI is a tool like a calculator, sooner or later it will be everywhere, so schools should base their curriculum on results, not on the method used to generate the results.
That's definitely a valid thing I've been thinking about. And honestly, I don't know what's going to happen. Writing is a skill that LITERALLY ALWAYS been needed, in every place with people able to read. Is anything lost if we stop being able to do that? Like the job still gets done, but no one is able to do it themselves.
I’m not from America and find it weird that people pay to have the answers for homework questions. The answers are released after the deadline and people from prior years saved all of the solutions in a shared Google drive all the students have access to.
As a student, I think Soviet workers put it in best terms "They pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work"
Tbh, I used Cheg for homework problems that I got wrong. Because certain professors would never provide how they were solved or why they were wrong. Which means that on questions that I didn't understand and couldn't solve would still be unknown if I didn't use a service like that. Meaning my test scores would be worse..
I stopped using Google home because it just didn't understand what I was asking over half the time. If I have to ask a question 3 times to get an answer, it's quicker to just pull out my phone.
I swear that Google voice recognition used to be better than it is now. My only problem back then is that I would have to speak like a robot and turn off all accent and dialect, but now it seems like no matter how I speak there are always words that it misunderstands.
I wrote my essay then told chatgpt to make corrections. Got by the detection and got 100%
Cheating became the way because education stopped being about learning but about grades and scores. Instead of teaching a child to learn they’re teaching them to memorize.
There is an amount of wisdom and discipline that comes from doing things manually.
Fighting against AI in University is like fighting against calculators. Sure, for some classes you might need to ban it, but overall it's a great tool to increase the student's level
Before ChatGPT, any rich kid could just hire a ghost writer.
It is kind of the same thing.
Chegg was instrumental in figuring out if you got the right answer when Studying and could provide a step by step to check your work. The explanations still skipped steps so still had to know what you where doing. Answer guides are made by grad students and they make mistakes too.
As an 18+ creator, IM WILLING TO VERIFY MY DAMN AGE just to keep kids away from my shit alone. And verifying could definitely be a huge blow on bots.
Students at my school use word scramblers too.
The contact thing is particularly dumb. The easy solution is to treat the user's contacts as the only list of possible options, choose whichever one is closest to the prompt, and then if it's below a threshold of confidence prompt the user with "do you wish to call [name]?" to verify. Train the AI for that specific user every time they use it and within some time the number of verifications should go down.
Allow creators to prevent people from commenting if there account isn't old enough and require the account be verified
Wh-who would ever do that 😅
Teachers need to change how they test knowledge acquisition and comprehension. There is no fighting this, you need to come up with ways that prepare students for the real world as well and that includes a world with AI. They will use AI everywhere, let's learn to complement and augment our work with it instead. Yes, we need to make sure not just everyone with AI skills can get a diploma by copy-pasting or memorizing answers or else diplomas will become worthless (yet they'll still be required to tick a box when hiring) and it's dangerous to have skill-less people out there in the real world for real jobs.
Easy way to counter this is to come up with your own question template. Of course you need to adapt with the ai.
I'm really curious if the pixels now have them AI cores, if they'd do a much better job handling the names issue 🤔
I recently installed Grammarly. Its tone-suggestion tool is ace and AI-based. But asking someone to proofread your essay before you submit it has never been considered cheating.
I'm a teacher, I have my students do almost all their work on paper in class. I assigned one at home essay this year and over half of my students CLEARLY cheated.
Honestly I think it's a good thing, we've known that homework doesn't actually help kids learn for years. Now maybe teachers will finally stop assigning it.
“That’s right, I did the Iggy” - Abraham Simpson
04:50 But, Linus, my Luscious Ass is the only good part of me!
I've seen essays written by GPT in my University Class and most of them just have big factual errors.
There's probably some reason like they did the maths on how much compute it would take to AI vet even a representative sample of CZcams comments and it came out to equal the entire electrical capacity of California.
The year is now %PRESENTYEAR%, c'mon guys!
They should probably start rewarding actual knowledge instead of long, boring, easily cheatable tasks like essays
I agree and disagree. Better assignments are essential, but actually I think essays (at least in uni) are excellent assignments of this type. You need references, and show novel thinking, and be coherent in your arguments. I mean sure, AI can do a passing job, but no more than that
@@olevam1Yeah but at a certain point it's becomes unnecessary. I had the exact same report my last semester as I did the previous semester. Literally the same requirements and topic. I think after a certain point it's like why assign them if they're just a waste of time.
@@LeOneToyota Ah that is really sad!
Good assignments can really make uni experience much more enjoyable
For very basic level stuff it seems to do alright.
Literally would paste my Java code into chatgpt to ask it why something wasn’t working and for it to teach me what was going on on certain projects and it did a pretty good job of it
I wouldn’t trust it to solve much math but for some things it seems to work well
3:17 The big question: What did Bruce A ask??
My uni created an AI policy for chatgpt that it really good. Basically you are allowed to use it but you must provide the prompt you provided it. Their efficacy at taking down cheating is already good so it is nice they are allowing us to use it
That’s awesome lol
This should be standard
So you won't tell you used it
Easy
What they need to do is allow it in the research phase. And then maybe just have essays in person randomly to avoid this
Undergrad degrees aren't worth much unless you can snag quality internships and work experience as you're getting them. While I feel there does need to be some level of integrity as students get their degrees to show that it's not just a piece of paper, many professors don't actually know how to teach and nor do they care to. To all current students, use every tool and advantage you can. Just be smart about how you use them and make sure you know enough to pass the final.
Prof: ChatGPT, did you write all these papers?
ChatGPT: Yes i did. Trust me bro.
Schools absolutely should be responding to AI. Not by trying to catch people using it for cheating, but teaching how to use AI well.
I love the idea of the upcoming hot tub streamer submitting a form to use the word luscious.
I got chat gpt to claim that it wrote the entire frontpage of the New York Times
The thing about Chegg though is it is actually useful
I find it total BS that teachers give us problems that just have no logic to what we were taught in class or better yet, our math books only giving us half the answers in stead of all of them...
I just feel like the people im friends with in college (engineering degrees) we actually want to know how to do certain problems and I find it very irritating not knowing if I got the answer right or not....I feel it is wrong to find out in class for a grade when it could easily make you fail
Just another one of those BS "it's better for the students this way" attitude that doesn't actually benefit them.
I think this is going to make student smarter at cheating or thinking of solution for an easy way out
Just do in-person written exams.