Triumph Trophy, Sprint, Daytona:- Brake and Clutch fluid change !
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2022
- A full "REVERSE PURGE" of the Brake and Clutch Hydraulics !
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Tbh the standard top down bleed method is so easy there's no point spending hard earned dosh on a big syringe or vacuum bleeder etc. You'd have done it quicker too.
just a different method mate !
Del’s done that method many times, but this looks simpler and easier with one person.
But if you change a component, like a brake line, it can be really hard to get all the air out.
Once it took me 2 hours to achieve bubble free bleed fluid on a dual caliper front brake after replacing the lines with braided ones. There was two of us, one on each end, using a hose submerged in a clear drinks bottle as a waste reservoir where the bubbles could be seen. Which caused a bit of anxiety as we were heading off to Spain only days later.
@@buzzman3200 been there, done that too! I learnt the trick to degassing the master cylinder (usual culprit) is to tap on the lever. Imagine tickling it to get the bubbles out.
I like the reverse method used here when the system is completely empty. I will confess however that my personal preference is a vacuum bleeder if the system is just getting a flush. Just less use of the syringe is all. Appreciate that many people prefer the way they do it over other methods but the point is the same. ✌🏻
There are many ways to skin the same cat buddy, I guess if you've learned each method, it empowers you to make a choice aye?!
Just a few beats of this T300-Triple sound and a few pics then my hands know exactly how the venerable Triumph feels. The Trident 900 is waiting for its monthly ride in the gerage, but it looks like rain today. Fluid changes not until next year, she runs perfectly. Cheers from Nürnberg/Germany, Günter
Looked like a very thorough service Del, nice job. 2 items if I may. At 1:15 you cut a zip tie. If you cut it, but don't cut off the head part, you have a perfectly good zip tie to use again somewhere else. Just pull out the small toothed section from the head. The other item is a question. Can you hook that syringe to the bleeder and pull adding fresh fluid to the reservoir as it drains? I have no idea, but thought thats how pressure bleeders worked. Are bikes different? And yes, I just ate my lunch.
Yes you can, done it myself numerous times
Hey Joe, yes you can do it that way, it's entirely possible, but then there is no way to verify that you have all the old waterlogged fluid out.. When you drain down the fluid, and refill the reservoir, thats perfect fresh fluid up top, so question:- how many fills do you drag down through the system before all the lower fluid is flushed?.. you cannot check at the caliper end!... but if you push the fluid upwards, then when the reservoir contents read clear on the test pen... you're entire system is purged. Hope you enjoyed lunch Sir, have a great week and keep safe. Del .
Great clean method for those tasks Del. No bleeding either. I'm not familiar with Sealey being from the U.S. but it seems like they have everything a gearhead could ever want. Reminds me a little of the Roadrunner cartoons where Wile E. Coyote got everything he needed from Acme. 😁 (yeah at 70 years old I still haven't outgrown cartoons) Thank you again Del and Penny for another great tutorial video. God bless and stay well always. ❤👍👍
Acme? What a wonderful icon of our childhood, I watched every one of those, along with Tom and Jerry, I think is so many ways those cartoons shaped our childhoods... long forgotten humour that probably wouldn't wash with the millennial fraternity now! Have a great week and keep well Sir, it's always good to hear from you, D&Px
So you said the brake fluid has to be changed every 2 years, what’s the point of testing it? Seems like a pointless tool really. Can I ask why you didn’t just use the syringe to drain all the fluid from the bleed nut?
The faff avoids Airbubbles in system.
Definitely easier to do on your own unless the bike has quick bleeders on the calipers. Good way to bleed if the system is dry/empty. Will have to look into the brake fluid tester. Good tool to have. Thanks
Totally agree buddy, it works perfectly for a dry fill.!
I’ve gone both ways… I liked the reverse system, helped clean the system. Really depends on situations. I believe both systems works well in everyone’s preferences. 👍
The benefit of doing it this way buddy is that you can actually test the results in the reservoir. If you push the fluid downwards you're chasing the water loggers stuff down to the caliper where you can't test if it's been flushed clear, but pushing it upwards, you can test the fluid as many times as you need to, and let's have it the caliper gets hottest so that's the place you want the freshest fluid and the least water content! Have a great week and keep safe.
@@Moonfleet41 … good point!! Very true, didn’t think of it that way, I did ordered myself fluid tester yesterday.
I change my brake fluid at regular intervals, but living in a dry desert of Arizona, the tester never shows any moisture. I change it anyway, because clean brake fluid has got to be better for the system.
Superb primer on changing brake fluid a bit differently. Every time I use similar gear and gloves to change the fluids on our 2 bikes, my wife always asks me if I’m a frustrated wanna be proctologist. Go figure.
Great photography as per usual. Have a great week ahead, both of you!
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Hi Gary, loved the joke! Thanks for the kind words on the actual video, you wouldn't think anyone notices when the bulk of comments are criticism about subject detail these days, I guess people have come to expect TV standard for little ol' CZcams, how far it's all come since the enforced sub-8min videos of 10yrs ago and 1080p maximum, let alone the fact each production is a 12-13hr day to create! We appreciate you noticing, have a great week Sir! D&Px
@@Moonfleet41 your production work is really extraordinary… 😎
Years ago I owned a Daytona 750, the thing was like a flaming barge to ride and constantly breaking down..... Needless to say I didn't have it long 😂
Perfect demonstration, thank you! But can we use the reverse bleeding method on a bike with ABS brakes?
Yes you can, works just as well for ABS !
Great Tech - pleasure to watch you at work. LOVE these instructional vids!! Cheers from AZ, USA
Thank you kindly Sir 👍, we really appreciate your feedback!
Another great video brother! love that fluid tester ! I have the same syringe and you make it look so easy brother, the clear hose wasn't properly attached to the bleeder valve and i had brake fluid all over the place lol . Great maintenance reminder brother! keep up the great work, stay safe guys cheers from new york 🥂🥂🥂🍺🍺🍺
Hey Renzo, always good to hear from you, and yes, isn't brake servicing always a messy business! For what it's worth, I generally snip off the last 1/2" of the plastic hose every time I re-use it as it gets stretched, then likes to pop off under pressure and deposit brake fluid up the wall! A fresh piece of hose is nice and tight. Take care brother, and have a fabulous coming weekend both, D&Px
A cool tool! The automotive syringe. Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching mate!
Can this method be used on a linked brake system like on a vfr ?
The daytona super 3 had 6 pot calipers the same ones as the later mk2 bandit 1200. But badged triumph. I put them on my Daytona 1200. After extensive research on the triumph forums. Never had any problems with them on the triumph or any of my mk2 1200 bandits. General opinion is they're rubbish. I think like anything, if you maintain and install them properly they'll work as intended. No idea why I said that considering the trophy super 3 has Nissins on it.
Peace and love ✌️ 🧡
I think you make a very good point that applies to so many different things on bike components.. Aside from the usual brand snobbery, there are always slaters once a reputation gets traction.. Hayabusa calipers in particular, but if they are properly maintained and regularly serviced, they all work just fine or the factories would hardly have bolted them to a 200mph bike..lol! Keep safe and well Brother.. D&Pxx
Thanks for that. A technique that looks a lot less hassle to me.... and I’ve already got a syringe 👍
No problem mate 👍 Takes about 40 minutes including the faff with the bodywork.!
Outstanding video! School is always in session at Del's garage! I have a 95 Triumph Thunderbird that needs this done ASAP! I love the T300s. Thanks for the great tips and keep up the great work! Loving it in Texas!:)
Right on!Thank you so much for your kind words Sir, we're really glad the videos can help you, and i agree, the T300 motors are just so sweet, feel like they'd last a million miles. Take care and have a great week.. Del.
Great job both of you. It may look like some amber nectar but I’d stay well clear 🤣
Sure thing mate ! 🤣
Great Video! I do like the reverse bleed method with syringes, I'd recommend buying a couple of smaller 30ml Luer Lock syringes (£1 each) with some PVC hose and use them independently for each task.💪
The seals in those cheap syringes don't even last the length of the job, you do have to push quite hard on them, which is why the double seals in this syringe work perfectly with no issues, on a cheap syringe you'll end up pushing the seal past the fluid, ending up in a right mess... cheap ain't good and good ain't cheap buddy!
@@Moonfleet41 Although a cheap (disposable) syringe for emptying the reservoirs so you don't need to clean the correct one each time you switch from charge to empty. If you get my drift.
@@Moonfleet41 gotcha, I've not really experienced that but can see the benefit of the Sealy unit for the pressure side of things, maybe the ideal would be to just use a cheaper syringe for the vacuum emptying part to save you switching on each step..👍
Another +1 for using a second syringe to empty the reservoir. It would have saved you a tonne of time and mine has lasted a few years now
Yes! I was thinking two syringes would have been much slicker, as long as they work of course.
Hello Del, excellent video! Will this method work on an 03 Tiger 955i? Asking because it has the piggyback brake hose setup in the front.
Yeah, it works just fine.. do the right caliper first, then the left and you'll chase it all through !
Far be it from me to confess to once using a new squeezy ketchup bottle 'borrowed' from an airfield canteen lady . . but.
A 'fluid' proof syringe (& spare 'rubbers') is always useful; but the 'backflush' method does need a better name:
'Caliper-Enemas R'us - We push all them little bubbles up to Heaven & if that thought doesn't brake you, nothing will'. : )xx
Thank you kindly Sir, the lyrical gangsta as usual!
Great video, Del and Penny. Very well demonstrated. I like the idea of the syringe and the electronic tester. For general bleeding I like my vacuum pump but for complete replacement your method of sucking the old from the top and pushing up the new from the bottom makes a lot of sense - any bubbles go up into the master cylinder reservoir to pop at the surface instead of down into the lines and caliper / slave cylinder to lurk with intent to commit sponginess. AND - the idea of a little rubber lube on the side panel tab grommets never occurred to me but it's a really good one! Thanks a bunch for the great tips. Take care of yourselves and be well.
Thanks buddy, glad you enjoyed it! The main benefit of pushing the fluid up from below is that as you purge the old fluid away, you have the quantity in the reservoir to test for water content.. you push the new fluid in the caliper until what's in the caliper is moisture free... this guarantees it's all gone which you can't check by bleeding downwards and you could end up with moisture content in the caliper which is the worst place for it to be! Thanks again for your kind words of support, keep safe!
Hi Del great tips mate thanks for sharing hope you and pen are keeping well
Thanks buddy.All good here as usual... Hope you're enjoying your week too.!
Great segment Del! Makes perfect sense to do it that way, much easier.
Glad you enjoyed it Shaun, it is a quick and easy way to fully purge the whole lot in one go.. took about an hour in real time !
I remove the calipers from there mountings and dump the contents from the calipers after removing the fluid from the master cylinder then just gravity bleed the system
Sure thing, I made a video on gravity bleeding bone dry systems, just different ways to skin the same cat aye buddy!
Hi Del will this method work with the linked ABS systems? You've inspired me to tackle this job myself.
With ABS yes, but linked systems vary according to how they're setup !
All the first T300 bikes had twin front discs, did you do them both alternately, or individually?. Also, where do you dispose of old brake and clutch fluid?. Another easily do-able home mechanic job, just make sure you have the right tools, INCLUDING 2 SYRINGES 😂.
Hi Neil, do the left caliper first, then the right as usual, brake fluid goes with the waste oil to the local recycling centre for licensed disposal. And buy 2 syringes if you wish, they have plenty in stock!
Cheers Dell a job so easily overlooked but well worth the time it takes. Do mine top to bottom but I'm old school or do I just mean old.
Great vid as usual
Thanks 👍👍👍
Very nice how to video Del. I think this one will help a lot of people for years to come, job well done mate. Penny and you have a safe week . Cheers
Thanks buddy 👍, always appreciate your kind words of support, have a great week there too! Cooling off here now, but still sunny so we're not complaining! D&Px
Thanks Dell! I will do the same on my T120! Cheers to you both!
You're very welcome Cedric!
You could do with a turkey Baster for the top end to save cleaning the syringe out every time, Asda do them
Got to be worth buying two of those syringes -- one in, one out - save time and blue roll!
Maybe, how much is the syringe and how much is the blue roll..?
A cheap turkey baster to suck out the old fluid will save yku a bunch of time between cleanout the master cylinders and backfilling from the bleader
'a bunch of time'?, it takes a few seconds to wipe out the syringe, I don't particularly want cookery implements cluttering up my garage, and you've still got to clean it up at the end which will take you another bunch of time!
Having the right tools and equipment makes all the difference.
Certainly does Sir!
It would be faster if you just buy a second syringe just for dirty fluid. Work smarter not harder
Indeed Tom, plenty in stock, order a couple !
Nice technique, Dell. I didn’t need a brake fluid analyzer to see that stuff was junk, though.
No indeed, the first push up is the gunk from the line so obviously trash, but interesting, specially on the clutch, that the second and even third push up, was still holding water, not until the 4th quantity did it finally wash clear! Something you can't check by just bleeding downwards and not testing it...
Excellent 👍
George this process in order to change break fluid is the same with ABS break system? My iron 883 has ABS. Thanks
Yes it is, same procedure..!
Great video Del. I too use the same brake fluid tester and its better than the old test strips.
Good grief, I've just bought one of those syringes last saturday . Filled my RD350 two stroke tank with it.
I know the rear brakes on mine need doing. Going to try this reverse bleed method. Looks easier for doing it on your own.
When you take off the master cylinder cover on an English bike do you still need to use the Japanese screw driver, if that makes sense ?
New Japanese screws !
great video.
good information del will be getting one of them
🤔 Bit confused here mate, i bought one of these Fluid Syringes from Sweden few months back, recommended by The Austin Powers Fan website, was only £ 8 with P&P, yours looks way different to mine, mine came with rubber sleeves, though i will say this,,, 😉 The Bride was more pleased i bought it even more than me and the Triumph America was LOL 🤣😂🤪
As always my friend, a brilliant, informative and very useful video! Hope you’re both well and having an amazing week so far!
Always an exciting notification when each video uploads!! Regardless of the works to be carried out!
So as always, thank you both!
Luke x
Hey Luke, Thank you so much for your kind words of support and friendship Brother, it's always good to hear from you.. Have a great week too and keep safe aye... D&Pxx
It would have been good for you to show taking a measurement of the moisture content of the new fluid, just to demonstrate the difference.
I did mate, on all three reservoirs.. were you not watching..?
@@Moonfleet41 Ha, I meant the new fluid out of the bottle - that you didn't show
Nice tool that,do you still have any of them stickers left that stick on your bike( delboys garage)
Hi Andy, yes mate, drop us an email to delboysgarage@yahoo.com !
Any reason to do bottom-to-top instead of top-to-bottom? Like if we don't have that big syringe.
Both ways work, but some people struggle with regular bleeding!! just an option mate, do what works for you. !
Great little gadget Del, I will get one of these, thanks so much
Very welcome mate, hope it helps!
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That was one very valuable video for us. Almost certainly going to save lives, if not make biking a darn site safer. Cheers M8 :)
Most welcome Tony, we're glad you enjoyed it, and thank you for your kind support and feedback as always.. Have a great week too. D&Pxx
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Ahhh wow, our song! I still play it from time to time, happy days brother! Thank You, D&Px
One of my least favorite tasks, working with brake fluid. I'll take any tips I can get to make these jobs easier, whether it be with tools and or techniques. 👍🏼
Got here first! It's that lovely Trophy again!
Nice job mate
Nick Australia