PlayStation 2 - Backwards Compatibility
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2020
- The PlayStation 2 is one of the first home consoles to offer backwards compatibility, able to play the overwhelming majority of original PlayStation games and being one of the major reasons for the PlayStation 2's success early on. Join me as I take a look back at backwards compatibility on the PlayStation 2 and see how the feature worked on the console.
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I’ve had a few questions about the PS2 Slim so i’ve just wanted to clarify:
ALL PS2 Slims play PS1 games but they do so slightly differently.
The first PS2 Slim uses PS1 hardware like the PS2 Phat models (Model number SCPH-7000x).
All later PS2 Slims (Model number SCPH-7500x onwards) do not use PS1 hardware but instead use software emulation. Compatibility is slightly worse but they can still play almost ALL play PS1 games.
You can check the model number on the bottom of the PS2 Slim to see which PS2 Slim you have.
Sorry for the confusion but I hope this clears things up.
Thank you for pointing this out, I didn’t know slim models differed in now they processed ps1 games. I’m happy mine is a 7000x series.
SCPH-35002 is mine for example it has PS1 CPU I think
All ik is the link port is that mine doesn't have a link port
Mine is scph-39001
My PS2 model number is SCPH-70012 Is it PS1 compatible?
Can confirm that the 240p issues is a thing. For years I thought that the PS2 simply can't dispay PS1 games via component until My Life In Gaming covered it and I found out that it was actually my TV's fault. There are a few PS2 games that also run in 240p like Ico, for instance. It's the same issue with the PSP. When you have it set to progressive mode and use component cables it will output PS1 games in 240p. In the PSP's caes, you can simply switch to interlaced from the menu and it will output 480i.
It's certain models that can & can't
When I was a kid my PS1 broke so i mostly played my PS1 games on my PS2 when I got one.
Yeah it was similar to me! I ended up using the PS2 more since it was much more convenient too with almost perfect BC for the original models! Which PS2 did you have?
@@mrratchet I have the SCPH-30001 which I believe is the first version of the fat. The system actually still works but for some reason it takes a minute or two to read the disc. I play it every now and then even still.
@@TimDespairBear11 Ah a launch model, I am surprised it is still going after all the disc read error problems! My PAL launch model gave up once, which I managed to fix but recently it no longer works, even after replacing the laser so its been retired!
I now use an SCPH-35001 NTSC model since I've mostly switched to NTSC PS1/PS2 games instead these days!
@@mrratchet Yeah mines NTSC. What’s funny is, one time my PS2 fell on the ground because my old dog ran across the room and pulled on the controller cable. I have no clue how it still works honestly. I’m interested in buying a slim one day because I assume mine will die eventually. I subscribed by the way, I think your videos are interesting.
@@TimDespairBear11 Wow, I'm surprised it survived the fall. Did you ever have any issues with Disc Read Errors? That was the first issue I had before the laser stopped working completely.
I've heard reports from some people that some Slim models apparently had an issue with scratching discs. Whilst I've never encountered this myself, it may be something worth looking out for - if you do get a Slim that is! I've read that the SCPH-3500x is supposed to be the most reliable of the PS2's but I guess that's open to opinions.
Thank you very much, I really appreciate it!
Most PS1 games worked on the PS2 but there was a few limited titles that did not work. Pretty much every game I tried worked on it.
You are wrong. Slim models does not use full software emulation. Hi ! homebrew developer on PS2 dev scene here :). Actually 90xxx slim models has better emulation than slim 75xxx models. 75xxx models removed the R3000 PS1 CPU and changed to a ARM 400Mhz CPU codename "deckhard" this new CPU has the same registers and instructions set as the R3000. This is what we called FPGA emulation and is very very accurate. Is a chip that simulates another chip behaviour. However this caused many bugs with the GPU software side emulation many of these bugs were fixed in the 90xxx models. I tested most of the games (those that I own) of that wikipedia list on my 90xxx and all worked. Which proves that list is incorrect
Interesting, thanks for the info. It's also interesting PS2 has better PS1 emulation than PS3 in some cases. For example I just bought Driver 2 thinking I will play it on my PS3 but that game is absolute mess (you can see on YT videos, graphics is full of artefacts all over the screen after exiting car and slows down every few seconds in missions). But my PS2 90004 runs it pretty well, I can't see or hear any difference from my 50004 model.
Thanks for your input. I have a 9000 model which I got in late 2009. To be honest I haven't played many PS1 games on it. The only PS2 games from the list that I've tried is Beyond Good & Evil and I didn't notice anything wrong back in the day.
For dummies like me, are ALL FAT PS2's fully backwards compatible? Apart from the 6 or so exceptions? I may wanna buy a silver or a blue PS2 if I can find one and just wanna make sure.
@@dave93xsame problem here, I’m looking to get a silver ps2 slim but I don’t wanna get one not backwards compatible
Bro thanks for being a developer for the best console ever i really respect the smart people behind that masterpiece
Interesting. I have a 9000 movel that I got late in the PS2's cycle. I was never aware that there are actual PS2 games that don't work on it. The only one from the list that I've played is Beyond Good & Evil. I remember I didn't complete it but I played through most of it and I didn't notice anything odd.
That outro song brings back memories, god i feel old now xD
I have the thin PlayStation 2, and PlayStation 1 and 2 games work perfectly, it’s my favorite console of all time, and even though PlayStation 1 games has big pixels, my 1080p tv can see details that the old tv couldn’t capture, and this is the reason why I kept the console all these years!🙂
It's a great console. I've been getting back into the PS2 again lately, really enjoyed it!
What's ur model number
On ps2
My PS2 is basically like 17 years old at this point. But thankfully it still reads PS2 discs both PAL & NTSC versions of games. I recently bought 2 PS1 games from Netherlands, but they unfortunately don't work on my PS2. Yet, they perfectly work fine on my PS3. My guess is that my PS2 can't read other discs due to age, since my PS2 can't even play movies & TV shows anymore either.
Yeah this could be the CD laser going, which would affect CD ROM’s (PS1/some early PS2 titles). You can replace the laser if you know which model PS2 you have.
My 5000 phat model from 2003 is still going strong :) but being from the pal region free I haven't bought a game in years hardly any games supported 60hz and 50hz is awful especially once you've seen the difference of full speed and no black boarders back then we didn't know any better but now we do I'm not doing that to myself but importing games from the USA/Canada is expensive due to high shipping costs and import fees
So the most Cost effective solution is buying a freemcboot memory card and running NTSC versions of games off a hard drive :)
great video, ty
Thank you! I appreciate it!
I just set up my old PS2 slim with composite cables. It will run the audio but a get an "Incompatible format" message over a black screen when loading any of my PS1 games. I wonder if it's a cable connection issue or the version of the slim I'm using. I just bought a PS2 Fat that I need to clean up and prep before I run it. I had a PS2 Fat twenty years ago, and I remember running those same PS1 games on that.
That PS2 Slim on that photo (2:50) is a SCPH-90xxx series. The 70xxx, 75xxx, 77xxx, and 79xxx have the same external visuals.
I'm curious if it's possible to play ps1 original Guncon 1 games on an early phat ps2.
Just run into component cable issues as well. I've tried PS1 game in my PS2 over composite and it worked well so I've bough component cable and it doesn't work with PS1 on the same TV. But I can finally play my PS2 games over component so I'm still pretty happy about it.
Yeah that's really unfortunate. It means that your TV likely doesn't support 240p. It's not a common resolution on modern displays sadly.
@@mrratchet It's kinda old 2011 TV and it's odd, it (PS1 on PS2) runs over composite but not component (incompatible format) - I assume it runs 240p in both cases. Or am I wrong?
@@47KRoman You are correct, though I should clarify I mean 240p via Component. It isn't very common on televisions unfortunately.
That said, 480p support is great with component for PS2 titles!
i own 2 tvs, one Panasonic and one LG. The Panasonic does accept 240p signals thru component from my Ps2, Sega Genesis, and Nintendo 64, but not from my Nes and Super Nes. The LG doesn`t accept the 240p signals from my Ps2, Sega Genesis and Nintendo 64 but it does from my Nes and Super Nes 🙃😅
hi bro, just want to ask u something. is ps2 slim support the backward compatibelity as well? or it is just work in original ps2 fat? thx
All PS2 Slims play PS1 games! :)
Curious how the 79001 reacts with most games. We honestly mostly just want to play Guitar Hero, but I’m a retro gamer and might want to check some other games out.
79001 Should be fine
If the PS1 240p doesn’t support on some televisions, can I just simply use a converter like the OSSC or Retrotink 5x to fix that problem?
Should be able to as the TV would pickup the output signal as the scaled resolution so I don't see why not, though I haven't tested with my OSSC to confirm.
Well I did have a ps1 slim and it stopreading disc's and made this noise but I found out that the Lazerdisc in the ps1 was damaged but I did not repair it and everything changed when I got the ps3 the non backwards compatible the one that I'd is 60 gb but the one I have is 86 gb or something but the 60gb ps3 is the best for backwards compatibility for the ps2 and ps1 but there was a way to install multiman but I don't know but this video is awesome
Sorry to hear about your PS1, it really sucks when consoles break. Just a heads up, all PS3's play PS1 games, should give that a go too!
Hi quick question can I play the medal of honor, medal of honor underground ps1 games on the fat ps2?
You can yes.
I was wondering does anything bad happen when you run a PS2 on HDMI? My brother really wants to play Toy Story 2 on the ps2 he’s getting
The PS2 does not have a HDMI port, are you going to be using an adapter?
@@mrratchet I already got it but none of the buttons on the controller work
What cables do we need? I have my PS2 connected with hdmi cables… the PlayStation start up screen will come up and then it will go blank. Any help would be appreciated!!! Thank you to all!!
I've not got experience with HDMI converters for the PS2. If I had to guess, I assume your television does not support 240i or 240p, which is why you're getting a blank screen.
I tried playing ps1. Smack down on my ps2 with component cables and all i got was the sound no picture
I recently bought Japanese PS1 games online (Which were the Kidstation Ojamajo Doremi games) and i owned a region free PS2 fat (SCPH-50002) and Slim (SCPH-75003). When i played those games, it had a few issues and sometimes the game crashes without any reason. Sometimes the music is out of sync unlike in a Japanese PS1 console or in the PS3 Slim which runs without any issues. Another example of this issues is my NTSC copy of Crash Team Racing, which had the same Out of Sync music issue and Graphical Glitches.
Strange isn't, those games isn't listed from the incompatible PS1 games but why does these game had issues in my PS2 consoles 🤷♂️
It sounds like you're from a PAL region (based on model numbers). Perhaps the PS1 games are running at 50hz (in a 60hz container as they are Japanese + NA), which may cause them to be out of sync. It's the first i've heard of it, will be interesting to find out more.
@@mrratchet fyi, my NTSC copy of Crash Team Racing had a few graphical glitches during Adventure mode. However all the tracks and some assets in it are completely fine and doesn't have glitches. The only issues i had in the game however was the out of sync issue. (same as the Kidstation Ojamajo Doremi games i owned which was the other way around (has a few graphical glitches, game crashes, and sound sync issues). Most of my PS1 games i owned that were PAL region such as Tekken 3 and F1 2000 were running fine without issues (both on my PS2 consoles and my cousin's PS3 Slim). The only PS1 game i owned (Which was NTSC-J region) without any issues is Dance Dance Revolution. Which the game is working fine even in a PAL region console
Im planning to get a PS1 memory card and some games to test on my PS2 soon (i recently "add to cart" a second handed NTSC-J copy of The King of Fighters 96 in an online shop, but i was too late to check out cause someone already bought it 😓)
Speaking of my region free PS2s, the fat model i owned were softmodded since my grandpa buy it a year ago (never realized as a kid which i owned both PAL and NTSC PS2 games earlier which also make sense 😂). I had the Slim recently from my other friend and repaired the lasers, which has a Modchip installed in it.
@@mrratchet Update: I recently played my PS2 earlier and i noticed some bugs in my NTSC copy of Crash Team Racing that would break the game on PS2 (except on PS1 hardware and PS3 Backwards Compatibility):
- When i selected Coco Park track, at the loading screen the game suddenly crashes... How it crashed? The letters on the loading screen suddenly glitches without any reason, a few minutes later it will stuck in the loading screen and the game isn't working anymore. However some tracks are working fine but i only counted this track (Coco Park).
- There are also some glitches i noticed earlier while i was playing it on my PS2 fat, in TNT Explosions the graphics glitches for a second, this also happens if you try to change the style of the speedometer during in-game. The intro is working fine, except for the "out if sync" music which kinda annoyed me a little, although the game is working fine in a normal PS1 console, even through emulators and PS3 Backwards Compatibility.
That's all i can share for today, im gonna test "again" my other PlayStation NTSC/NTSC-J copies soon
Would you recomend play PS1 games on PS2?
So, if I have a Ps2 slim 79010 model, I can play PS1 games? Or it would be better if I got a FAT model?
(Hello from Mexico lol)
Every PS2 can play PS1 games but the models up to SCPH-7000X (first slim model) have better compatibility because they only emulate the PS1 GPU while the models starting with SCPH-7500X use software emulation for all PS1 components.
most game will load but some of them had graphical glitches lots of players didnt see back in the day. one thing i notice is the sound effect and music tracks . doesnt sound as rich as a original ps1 1001 5055 7501 models. the sound is very muffle on a ps2 comparate to a original ps1 well it was also desing for a music player..redbook audio tracks
however the ps2 was focus more on a dvd picture intead..
what about ps1 mouse i just got one for stragety games PS1 playing in PS2 fat model but it does not work can someone doublecheck?
A great question, unfortunately I do not have a PS1 mouse to hand.
From what I can find, the official PS1 mouse should work for PS1 games on PS2. The example I saw mentioned Quake 2 but I'm unable to test this i'm afraid.
I got slim ps2 silver version, I wonder if ps1 games can run on it.
PS1 games will play in all PS2’s!
All PS2 phat models use PS1 hardware, some PS2 Slim models use software emulation (no PS1 hardware) but ALL play PS1 games!
Sorry for the confusion!
Hi there I just bought a brand new PS2 slim not sure what model number it is yet how do I know if it has PS1 hardware still in it what model numbers have that thanks I appreciate any info
Only the original PS2 Slim retains the PS1 hardware (SCPH-7000x e.g SCPH-70001)
All later PS2 Slim models (SCPH-7500x onwards) do not have PS1 hardware.
To check your PS2 model number, turn the PS2 on. On the main menu (where it says Browser), press Triangle. It should then display the model number.
@@mrratchet The guy said that the model number was 7901 play station two so I’m guessing that this one does not play PlayStation one stuff
@@joshuaharper4439 So if it is a SCPH-79001 then it is a later PS2 Slim model. This means it has NO PS1 hardware inside it.
It CAN still play PS1 games though. It is just all done with software emulation (no PS1 hardware) instead. Whilst most games will work fine, there are a small number of PS1 titles like Speed Freaks (PAL) that may not work on that PS2 Slim.
Real question is does ff7 1997 work on PS2, I keep telling people 1997 ff7 look exactly like PS2 game, I think it perfect for ps2
I can't find any information about it so I assume that FF7 works fine on all PS2 models.
Would the PS1 games still have texture warping being played on the PS2?
It would yes because there is no perspective correct texture mapping applied. For the most part, the game will look and play as it did on the PS1.
My fat PS2 always goes to red screen when I put in a PS1 game. 🤷♂️
Check your PS2 console region and the PS1 game region. If your PS2 is NTSC (or NTSC-J), it will not work on PAL region PS1 games. If your PS2 is a PAL region console, then it was only playable for PAL region PS1 games
Both PS1 and PS2 are region locked so if you try to play a game that doesn't match to your console region, the it would not be able to play the game disc itself. However my PS2 fat (SCPH-50002 PAL region console) plays both PS1 PAL & NTSC Games (never tested PS2 games yet, but i will try it soon once i got the NTSC games i'll order online)
@@gta_and_precure_fan I’ve been successfully playing PS1 games. I had one disc (the only ps1 disc in my possession at the time) that was region locked. I tried other PS1 games and it works fine.
I mainly play my PS1 and PS2 games on my PS3, and they're flawless.
Yeah the CECHA and CECHB are very good for PS2 games (98% or so work with no issues!)
I also use a CECHA for PS1/PS2 games at the moment, though I do have a US PS2 as a backup if my 60GB PS3 fails!
Guys does spiderman 1 and 2 enter electro ps1 work on ps2? I really want to play them but I also wanna play ultimate Spider-Man and I’m trying to kill two birds with one stone
Yes it does
@@mrratchet wait so just to make sure can I put the ps1 disk in and play? I was going to buy the game disk for like £15 and I don’t want to waste money
growing up i DEFINITELY used my PS2 as the main way i played my PS1 backlog. served me VERY well until i finally got my PS3 in 2016 (poverty made me wait 10 years before i could actually get a PS3) which continued to serve me VERY well and continued to be my preferred PS1 platform even AFTER i had already made the switch to fan-based emulation for everything else pre-sixth gen besides PS1.
ePSXe just didn't feel as good to use as emulators for other systems and it locked up for me on a lot of games, my potato laptop was NOT going to run XEBRA, PCSX-R would never recognize any of my gamepads, Mednafen is super user-unfriendly, and RetroArch is.... well it's RetroArch and RetroArch just fucking sucks in general (except for the mobile and PS3 versions, those are really good).
so i stuck with my PS3 as my preferred method of playing PS1 games from 2016 all the way up to 2019 when i thought i bricked it, which is when i switched back to using my PS2 for PS1 games. that lasted about two years, because in summer of 2021 i discovered DuckStation and never looked back.
currently, the only time i use my PS2's backwards compatibility is for games that support swapping to an audio CD to generate a level or a character, which happen to be a pain in the ass to play on emulator (for obvious reasons). so games like Vib-Ribbon and Monster Rancher 1&2 i still use my PS2 to play. yes i KNOW there are workarounds to still play them on emulator but it's just easier for me to play on console and physically swap the discs.
multi-disc JRPGs i play on the emulator tho. m3u files are a godsend.
also, my mom had The X-Files PS1 game when i was a kid and that one never seemed to work properly on our PS2.
EDIT regarding my "bricked" PS3: i THOUGHT i had essentially soft-bricked it because it kept restarting and forcing me to do a file system check every time i turned it on. lots of circumstances (i wont go into detail) then happened that lead to me not using that PS3 for four years. i got my hands on it again after a while (it had been at my friend's house going unused in the meantime, bc that's where I was staying when I "bricked" it). it works ALMOST flawlessly again tho, even the CFW that i thought was the reason it "bricked" works (almost) perfectly and I didn't need to reformat anything. i say ALMOST perfectly tho because the PS3 itself still has some physical issues unrelated to the CFW. for example, the USB ports on my PS3 will charge things, but they won't read any storage devices, so USB transferring is out of the question, which also takes PKG games out of the list of things i can get on it. im stuck with ISO/JB folder because i can only use FTP and/or legit disc-ripping to get games onto it and the licenses for PKGs are only EASILY transferrable via USB and I am NOT using PSNPatch and risking a ban on my PSN account that has all my legitimately purchased digital PS4 games on it. another issue: the CFW won't read my PS1 ISOs properly, but WILL read PS1 games from a CD-R. however, I can't play Vib-Ribbon or Monster Rancher on my PS3 because the games slow to a crawl upon disc swapping and continue to stay at crawl speed even after switching the game disc back. my PS2 doesn't give me those problems with those two games, and im using the EXACT SAME CD-R BACKUPS ON THE PS2 THAT I USED IN THE PS3 SO IT'S NOT THE IMAGE FILES OR THE MEDIA IT'S PRESENT ON. so yeah, hope you enjoyed this overly long autistic infodumping explanation on why I use the PS2 for Vib-Ribbon and Monster Rancher 1&2 over the PS3 despite the PS3 offering better video quality.
What ps1 games can I play on ps2? I tried to Google but it didn't say
Pretty much all of them bar a very small handful on the last PS2 Slim
@mrratchet I tried about 3 different ps1 games on mine which is a fat model but it kept saying disk read error
@@An_ok_guy Disc read error means one of two things:
1) The discs are damaged
or
2) The disc drive laser in your PS2 is worn/needs cleaning or has failed (This is more likely what the issue is). Note - a different laser is used to read CD's (music/PS1/blue PS2 discs) compared to DVD's (DVD movies/PS2 discs)
To test to see, try a PS2 game. If it loads, then the DVD laser is ok.
Next, try a music CD and/or a PS2 blue disc. If it gets disc read error, then you'll need to try cleaning the laser or it needs replacing.
@mrratchet thanks man I believe the ps1 games work because they work on my ps1, the ps2 that I have is my step mum's nephews ps2 that some how ended up at my house and I was told I could use it however it didn't have anything with it so I used my ps1 stuff but yea i will keep updated👍
So I can put my ps1 disc in and it’ll work like any other game
Exactly.
@@mrratchet then you just blessed me the best info 💯
@@_r3membrance_
The vast majority of games worked and pretty much every big game worked. There might be a few games that do not work but they are probably niche games that nobody played.
some games have compatibility issues
? Is can ps2 50001 model play psone games
Yes it can
@@mrratchet I heard only the 30001 model can
you heard wrong @@IxMADMANxl
I can tell you one game that will not work on a PS2 Slim... Silent Hill 3 !!!! I found this out the hard way! But it works great on a PS2 Fat model.
Are you sure about that? What model of the ps2 slim do you have? I have a 79000 model and it silent hill 3 works fine. I haven't played through the whole game yet, only just an hour in, but I haven't found any problems so far.
@@Enzed_ I have a North American PS2 Slim 90000 model. And it gave me all kinds of problems!! But if your saying it works fine on a North American PS2 Slim 79000, then that's awesome!!!! I had a Japanese Slim model that also gave me problems with the Japanese version of the Silent Hill 3 game. When I was having problems I looked it up on message boards for help and a lot of other people were also having the same problems. But some people were saying it worked fine for them, but they never told us what Slim model or the region of the console, so it wasn't much help!! Now I should tell you the PS2 PAL models has a lot less compatibility problems for some reason? That kinda sucks for the rest of us! But if it works fine on the North American PS2 Slim 79000, then that's a game changer for me. Because my PS2 Fat model isn't the most reliable. I should have asked this sooner, but is your console a PAL model?
@@wargameboy72 oh I should've been more exact. My PS2 slim is a 79003 PAL model. I used mechapwn to change it to an NTSC model.
@@Enzed_ Okay, that makes more sense.. The PAL version is a lot more compatible in so many other ways as well. PAL PS2 light Gun games can use a ton of different lights Guns for almost any game. But North American and Japanese are very specific on what light Guns you can use and it's not very many. It does suck that all the PS2 consoles aren't the same in compatibility and it causes a lot of confusion. But what can you do?! Anyway, thanks for trying to help.🤩👍👍
@@wargameboy72 Hmmm, I wonder if you could try playing the game through OPL because I think they added XPARAM patches that might fix some games on the Slim PS2. Using opl is also good to preserve the laser by using iso backups of your games.
sony ps2 first ?? backward compatible ?
NAA it was the sega megadrive with the master system base converter
PS2 was not the first, you are correct, though I did say it was "one of the first" not THE first! :)
"The PlayStation 2 is one of the first home consoles to offer backwards compatibility,"... really not trying to be critical, were you born after 2000 or do you have alzheimer's? I am not sure what the other alternatives could be. Sega Genesis was made with the intention of being backwards compatible, hence the color limitation and use of FM synth, The Gameboy line was all compatible with older iterations (gba could do color, color could do base), and then there is the snes super gameboy. True, 2 of these requires an additional purchase but they were features intended from the launch of the system, meant more like options on a car rather than an essential component. with most of the add-ones, what the hardware does is make the physical contact points with a different media, not act as the game processor.
"One of the first" does not mean the first. I'm well aware there were other implementations, both via additional hardware or in the case of the Atari 7800 supporting Atari 2600 games (despite skipping its immediate predecessor the Atari 5200.