Klipsch R-115SW vs SVS PB3000 Compression with Room EQ Wizard
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- čas přidán 28. 03. 2019
- Today we put go head to head with the Klipsch R-115SW vs SVS PB3000 using REW (Room EQ Wizard) to find it's in room response and how far we can push each subwoofer before compression occurs.
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Makes sense that there's a 3dB difference at the lower end. The PB3000 is rated 800W RMS, and the R-115SW is rated 400W RMS. These manufacturers are pretty honest with their ratings.
I have the Klipsch 12" and it's awesome, Hain is turned way down and still can rattle the walls but has a very clean deep bass.
I picked up this same exact klipsch on black friday last yr for 499. Extremely happy with it. I should have bought two.
ive got the klipsch loving every moment
Awesome video. Love how u didn’t just turn em on and based it by ear because that would be impossible. Did it the right way. Sweet comparison man. Keep it up as always. 👍
Another great episode of the Youthman show! Man I think that both of those subs are awesome. Great work on the review, great information on these products.
Thanks Hi-Fi
I was watching the video of you at the audio show in Tampa! You rock bro! I just got a pair of Klipsch Heresy 3,s!!
The Klipsch is designed to excel at giving midbass slam, which comes from the 50-80hz frequencies. They (and I) believe output in those frequencies gives you the best bang for your buck for movie watching experiences. I had this exact choice to make before I bought 2 of those 15s. I read the stats, and the output in those frequencies matched or bested the SVS, and I got bass shakers to make up for the lack of rumble from the lowest frequencies... as if there is any! LOL. It seems their posted stats were accurate and I feel I made the right choice. Thanks for the post! Love your channel.
Thank you Scott. Glad you are enjoying the content
Youthman I think we have similar taste so your opinions are very helpful. I’ll be picking your brain about projectors one of these days. Keep up the good work, and God Bless!
About 1-2 years ago I bought Klipsch speakers and sub-woofers for my basement HT, when they were much cheaper and on sale from multiple sites on the internet or even Best Buy.
On the flip side, due to semi-conductor shortage - they have become much more expensive recently. Thus I went with SVS, whose prices have stayed relatively the same. And their SB-2000 sub-woofer performs better than equivalent Klipsch of the same price (were on sale), and is more compact (14" from all sides) for tighter spaces.
I have to say there’s no real contest I have four clips speakers subwoofers and they’re amazing...... absolutely amazing!
Well I Once heard a Klipsh Home Theater and It Sounded pretty good
I am going with the SVS ,great review YM like you say, stay Blessed.
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The PB or SB 2000 is in the same price range and IMO should have been used for this comparison. I have the SVS SB2000 and am very happy with its output for its size and price.
yes defo the pb2000 would be an ideal comparison to which evidence suggests there wouldn't be much in it at 20hz and some of the reviews and measurements by various reviewers online favour one condition which is testing in open space at 2meters - where as other conditions of testing may produce different results for each sub, I believe the sb 2000 wouldnt have enough output at 20hz being sealed to come even close there could be as much as 8db difference.
Interesting comparison!
The two subs track very close to each other (as any good subs should) for the most part.
All the chart variations are related to your room - which would be corrected mostly by running Audyssey (later) .
While 3db does take twice the power to produce, it is on the threshold of what the human ear can detect as being "louder" or "quiter".
Based on this, I would give the Klipsch the advantage, based on price.
As you mention, you could buy two of the Klipsch subs for roughly the same price, and have at least equal (if not better) performance.
Agreed, ✌️
Not all is the rew measurements.
Youthman said in other video, the pb3000 has a nicer thight feeling, being quicker in transcients, making it more proper for feeling the famous chest slam, which needs of a really high and quick sudden low sound. It need to go from stop, to sound and stop really quickly. The subwoofer wich is better at that, it gets you better chest slam, and the svs gets advantage in that.
Excellent comparision. Little difference in response frequency and max SPL before compresion.
Two Klipsch are better option, by far :)
How nuts would it be to hook up the r-115sw to a pro audio amp with more juice and control it via minidsp with dirac?
Great analysis/explanation and comparison especially with regards to compression. Thanks!
Thanks. I have a lot to learn
The other question I would have for Klipsch, is using a 15 inch driver why can’t it match the lowest frequency response that the 13in can? I have 4 of these 115sw’s so I don’t care about the 3db difference as having 4 makes it a non issue but in some person’s review, below 18hz the port began to chuff so the 18hz limit spec is accurate.
I’m not sure. If it’s any consolation, a $2500 SVS PB16 has port chuffing as well
@@Youthman I have only heard it on one clip honestly, and that was below rated frequency for the sub.
I like your channel it helps me decide what to buy
I’m glad the videos have been helpful
Will go with Klipsch 🔊
Sir...excellent job sir ...
Apreciations...
Thank you
What a fun job!!
Indeed
I have two spl150s. What gain setting do you put your klipsch at with your Marantz and what level?
Love your setup.
Thank you. Have you seen my actual room tour? czcams.com/video/9rQxNd1Lf38/video.html
@@Youthman yeah 20000 watts rms system monster... It's amazing
The one the only YOUTHMAN. After helping me pull the trigger on the RP-504C it’s that time again to help me decide on which Sub to get. Really leaning towards the SVS Sub.
There’s no simple answers to which is the best sub. Lots of great options. Most of it depends on your budget
I had the Klipsch R-115SW and think that's still the best sounding sub for the price. Also looks sexy without grills.
Would personally get 2x Klipsch rather than one SVS, and save the rest for jelly beans. But that's only me... :D Nice video as always! :)
Jelly Beans 😂😂😂
This video was fascinating!
Thank you Thomas. I’m glad you enjoyed it
@@Youthman You're welcome! Really good stuff. Great way to do a side-by-side comparison.👌
Thank you Thomas. I try to make content that is both educational and informational, yet it is easy for anyone to understand
Great video 👍 now I got to find my compression point. My one suggestion is once you find compression, you have 3db downward to fine-tune it.
Can you elaborate? I’m not sure what you mean by having 3dB to fine tune it
@@Youthman you were raising your volume by 3db. You might still had some room to play with by going back down 1.5 db on volume. If good go back up by .75, etc.
I gotcha. Thx for clarification
Great video and comparison. SVS is a nice sub for sure. But it barely edges the Klipsch for around twice the price.
This is true. I think it says a lot about the value of the R-115SW. And for the same cost of the PB3000, you could buy a pair of R-115SW and have smoother bass response throughout the room
Did you watch the video? It has twice the output. Just because the lines are close together doesn't mean the performance is close.
Keep in mind it cost twice as much so it should have more output. If you bought a pair of R-115SW, you would have the benefit of dual subs to even out bass response in your room.
@@Youthman You are comparing apples to oranges. When you compare value you compare by price and performance. You are comparing a $6-800 sub to a $12-1400 sub. Showing that you need 2 of the Klipsch to match the PB-3000 doesn't show higher value. Comparing the Klipsch to other $6-800 subs, and how it performs to them is what would dictate value. If you have a budget, you aren't just going to double it, you are going to buy the best performing product for the price.
Logan, I compare what products I currently have in for review. It’s not like I have an Amazon warehouse that I can drive over and pull products off of a shelf to review.
I just uploaded a video comparing SVS PB3000 and Monolith 15 which happened to be almost identical in price. czcams.com/video/9nbJX8HuKlE/video.html
Great test!
Thanks! Another one hopefully coming today or tomorrow
@@Youthman Looking forward to it!
I'm thinking the only thing that gave the svs the edge in the test was all the extra power. I would love to see a comparison of the svs pb-2000 vs the klipsch r-115 sub. About the same price point for both and only a 100 watt advantage for the pb-2000 over the klipsch 115. Great video as always my friend. This has showed me a lot on the difference of both brands in my opinion.
The svs pb2000 is a great sub. Hands down a deal.
can I do a similar test for DIY subs? WIll they show compression or is that a function of the amplfier?
I want to here them, that is the best test
What a great video! I was really enjoying it. I wish you could do this more often with other subs. You should do more budget friendly subs below $500 like compare klipsch 12 or 10 vs svs pb1000 or polk or emotiva or monoprice or bic f12 or there is a few more but I can't think right now. I just think that will be a lot of content and I think a lot of people would enjoy them and help the out on what sub to buy. I know I would. Keep up the great work. You the man!
Maybe daisy chain 8 X $300 subs together vs. an SVS. May be fair.. I do think your right with comparing cheaper subs vs a default go to. It lets people see how far your buck is going.
The hardest part right now is finding time. It’s a challenge to balance a full-time job, a home business, a family of six, and youth man reviews. I definitely do not mind reviewing some budget friendly products.
Hey what’s your thoughts on Dac.
I just bought the Klipsch R-115SW on sale. I have a PB-2000 already but I want a second subwoofer to increase output and minimize the frequency drops. I just hope they play well together :)
The important thing is you bought to ported subs. It may take a little work but you can definitely get them to play nice together. I would not recommend combining sealed and ported subwoofers in the same room
@@Youthman Thanks for the response. I would buy a second PB-2000 but its almost twice the price here in Norway. My first PB-2000 was on sale, I regret not buying two when i had the chance, but oh well =)
@@Youthman The Klipsch is crazy. I'm very happy about my setup now :D The klipsch subwoofer barely moves and my whole is filled with bass. Had to adjust the phase settings on both my subwoofers now, 90 on svs and 180 on klipsch. When I had both on 0 they killed each other and i barely heard any bass.
Individually measured , yes, interesting. I wonder how a full unit-to-unit of a Home Cinema complete set of speakers would be performing during taking these measurements back-to-back. Anyway, I love Klipsch (there`s nothing better than these babies that would make me change my option! ).
Important thing is to find what makes the most sense for your home theater. Regardless of measurements, regardless of what any content creator says, you have to decide what works for you
Your test was excellent. I really like SVS, but I would have two klipsch, I would have a smoother scatter and a more compensable value.
Yeah but one BIG factor is the SVS warranty is 5 years on everything. And SVS CS is unrivaled. Klipsch is 2 years on the amp/electronics, 5 years on the driver.
Why get 2 subs that don't extend as well and play as good as an SVS? Sound counts.
@@no65mph because 2 mediocre subs will outperform 1 good sub. And the Klipsch isnt far off the SVS.
At 16:53 you said adding a second sub gains 3 dB. I would think that usually when you add a second sub, that sub also comes with its own amp, so two subs of equal power would add 6 dB. Thanks for making this comparison!
You might be correct since doubling the power also yields 3dB in volume.
4:30 what's with the slight dip above the maximize/restore button at the top-right?
The camera is at a low angle shooting upwards so that it is out of the way of the projected light emitting from the projector.
You sir have earned another subscriber, for also showing the metric system and being so informative. Cheers from a fellow audio and video enthusiast from the Netherlands, EU
Thanks. Hope you enjoy the rest of my content.
Hey Youthman, great video, I too have a Klipsch/SVS setup and my SVS PB2000 has been far and away the best sub I have ever had in my HT, and I had the Klipsch R-12SW. I'm currently looking at moving to a full 5.1.4 SVS setup with the NEW SVS Pinnacle towers, center, and 6 of the Prime Elevation for surrounds and atmos. Cheers,
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Sweet setup Christopher!
I will go for svs6000 👍🏼
Thanks for the tests, awsome...... But one note: 2x subwofer = 6db gain, not 3db like you said, 3db gain is if you add one more woofer with same power, and 6db gain if you add one more woofer and double the power(wich you do as one more subwoofer adds twice the power)....
Just my opinion. Twice the power and twice the price for a small improvement with SVS. Klipsch is definitely better "bang for your buck"!
Completely agree if basing solely on measurements. I want to do some real world testing as well to see which sounds better to my ears
@@Youthman Will you post your findings? Looking forward to that! I still can't see there being much of a big difference (especially for $700)
I always do. Try to make content that is practical and useful for everyone
@@Youthman I would like to hear what you would have to say after listening to both of them in real world testing, as I have One klipsch R-115 myself.
It’s in the cue
I would love to see the goldenear xxl sub test
I’ll go with klipsch because they last for a long time. Had my frx-s10 since 1999 it’s 21 years old and still sounding like new. Had a svs pb 1000 and it only lasted for 7 years until the amplifier died.
I would love to see a DIY subwoofer vs SVS PB3000/4000. Similar specs please and thank you.
I do not have access currently to any DIY subs
Great video . Since I am definitely a Bang for your buck kinda guy, the Klipsch x 2 would be my choice. In my 18’x18’ x9’ room I am sure 2 Klipsch would provide all the slam I would ever need.
You would also get a smoother bass response throughout your room
For the price I'll take two Kipsch subs which will help to even out room response at the same time over the price of a single SVS.
I agree. Dual subs have multiple benefits
I'd get dual PB2000. I hve one pb2000 amd even with a 15hz test tone ypu feel the pressure wave. What I p9ve about svs is they aren't boomy at 45hz like most mainstream subs. I had to really learn how to listen to a sub all over again. I bought the pb2000 to replace my infinity 12 sub and at first I was disappointed because it didn't seem much louder, then I played some old school bass music and when it hit below 25hz it literally rattled your teeth. Seemd that the lower the note the louder it got. 15-25hz is flat out powerful and shakes the entire house! My infinity couldn't even play that low. Throwing a 15hz test tone on the infinity and the sub barely moved at all, playing that same tone on the svs the sub was flexing like crazy! And rhe 5 year warranty is great! Thinking of trading up to dual pb2000 pros when I get my house built.
@Youthman, was wondering if you could help me out. I'm on the fence between the SVS PB-2000 Pro and the Klipsch SPL-120. My screen is 17" off the floor from the trim, it has a 2" boarder so the actually screen surface is 19" from the floor. Can the SVS be laid on it's side? I know physically it can be laid on it's side, but is it ideal? Does it matter if the ports are ground level?
It should not matter if the port is horizontal or vertical. I have not heard either of those models but my guess is the SVS would likely be the better solution.
@@Youthman thank you. Spec wise, the svs is the better sub but the Klipsch would sit upright perfect under my screen. The svs would sit perfect too but on its side. Maybe it's time do to a shootout between those two subs? I know the SB 2000 pro's would work too but I don't know how I feel about a sealed box for HT.
Hey Youthman. Another quality video. Question: can you elaborate or make a video on that calibration mic? Do u use this mic in replacement of the standard issued Audysey mic that Marantz gives u? Lastly, can u tell us where u purchase this. Thx!
I have a link to to the mic in the description of this video. It’s from miniDSP. You still need to use the Audyssey mic when running Audyssey. This mic allows you to take measurements in your room and then send that info into a miniDSP to EQ for those settings.
I have a miniDSP in for review but I have to figure out how to use it
Hi youthman can you also do a review on wharfedales sw-12 subwoofer & jensen spx-17,spx19
Excellent review and relevant information - thank you. Because each sub behaves about the same in each room I assume they would both measure pretty flat. Quite interesting to see the 13 inch sealed box keep up with a 15 inch ported box, but I would note that the SVS sealed box is actually larger. So, no real size difference to consider.
Considering the $500 price difference (which opens up to $700 as the Klipsch occasionally sells for $700 online), the additional couple dB of the 13 inch driver and 800 watts does not seem worth it, IMO. Can you try testing a Rhytmik Audio FVX15? For $1,100 you get a direct servo design with a 15" driver. It is about 6 ft^3, 400 watts. It splits the cost of these subs but may offer a little more low frequency output and also has some useful tuning options. Not to mention, novel sound quality. So, I suppose the SVS would not be my first choice, but I am interested in sealed subs as a possible good choice for higher "sound quality", or at least the ability to go real low without any crazy noises / woofer unloading.
I have a Klipsch RP-112SW and I can attest it sounds great with music or movies. I've only heard it flapping on start wars, which has some low-frequency stuff going on that I think goes below the tuning frequency. The sub never exploded but the excursion was crazy. I liked it so much I figured getting another one or the 15 inch version would be a good choice as the price/performance/good looks on them is very good.
The PB3000 is not a sealed box; it is a ported subwoofer.
This video shows us a couple of things. #1 The Klipsch R-115SW is truly a bargain in the current world of subwoofers. #2 How important subwoofer placement is. These two subwoofers are VERY different, yet with identical room placement, show a somewhat similar frequency response profile. This really stirs up my curiosity as to how different they are in person, as far as SQ goes. I am sure they each have their own signature sound. It is really unfortunate that Youthman is not my neighbor, as I would like to ask permission to come over and find out the answer to this question. I would also like to hear those monster PB16's to help decide if I want to take the 400 lb. plunge or not! Thanks for the great content as always Youthman!
Thank you sir
Just go dual PB-16's then you don't have to worry about the rest. The lazy rich man's solution.
tkcdac
I have Dual PB16 Ultras but I’m not rich. Although I wish I was lol. The love for SVS Flagship subwoofers made me pull the trigger and buy them but I’ll tell you what, I’m soooo glad I did. Worth every penny. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go figure out how I’m going to pay for these beautiful monsters 😉
@@tkcdacLOL this can be expensive habit for the rich and poor but we work hard for it, so when we come home and stick on a movie a smile is put on our face, researching the gear can be half the fun and probably the most important step
You guys are so correct. I’m with you. I’m not rich by any means. I work hard, I have three jobs (full-time job, home business in web development and Youthman Reviews) and also occasionally buy and sell audio gear for profit.
We work hard so that we can provide for families but also so that we can have some enjoyment with hobbies that we like. Every hobby is expensive if you were serious about it (golf, fishing, skydiving, boating, etc)
Id go with 2 of the Klipsch by far and save $600 just saying and smooth the response in the room
If you don’t need the App that’s definitely a great option
@@Youthman 100% I mean Love SVS but the real world of the 3000 series is in no way is that going to take care of a Med to larger room.There will be Nulls all over the place. 2 subs is always a better option to make a room sing. 3 to 4 subs better option yet.Truth be told you can almost buy 3 of the klipsch for 1 of the 3000 series :)
Very true
Klipsch warranty on electronics is 2 years. SVS is 5 years. SVS support is legendary.
5yr warranty is definitely a good thing
Just to put it out there, i notice that the listening position is somewhere towards the front of the room. My question is - what results does testing at other positions in room produce, as the current testing position may favour the r115 design rather the the design of PB 3000 i would be interested to see if the maximum output gap remains linear or widens when either the subwoofer location or the testing position changes. In addition to this I have just sold my r115 - a fine sub, with intentions to buy the PB3000 thinking that there would be at least 7-9db difference in the 20hz region, reason being because the PB12 plus is meant to produce 107db at 20hz(2m) against klipsch 99db 20hz(2m) - I believe both of the tests are in open space,, futhermore I was under the impression that the PB3000 would out perform the 12plus, Im now thinking that this may not be the case which would mean sacrifising a nice gloss black cabinet and performance in favour of the eq app on the pb3000. this brings me to another question was the app on the PB3000 set up to optimise its performance - which is not an option that is availiable on the klipsch? Sorry to go on.
I'm a 2 year owner of a 115sw and I just received my sb4000. Guys 1000 dollars difference in price is not worth it. I tested both at the same time and then muted the 115sw and wow bass drops big time the 115sw over powers the svs. My wife tough that the svs was louder, when I told her that the klipsch was muted and then turned the noobs up from the klipsch she said you better return that! I'm calling svs tomorrow to see if a can max the settings. I even boosted levels on my receiver to hit the svs like my klipsch.
Perfect comparison, thanks.
Thanks
For the price difference....Klipsch all the way!
It’s hard to beat
We have a $500 price difference. Should do the same cost comparison using 2x klipsch vs 1x SVS. 1798 vs 1399 = $400 difference
Hey Youthman, that was a through analysis of both the subs. Appreciate your videos. Two or 4 Klipsch 115 SW is the way to go .
Thanks
Klipsch R-115SW says 122db max at peak power (at 1/m ). so 119db at continuous power.
It barely did 100db at the low frequencies (in your room ofc). But 100db is super low for what's said on the spec sheet. As how efficient Klipsch tells their speakers are, i start to doubt it.
Klipsh rates some of its tower speaker to be 99db efficient. They should produce PA level of sound right ?
Would really like to see klipsh tower speaker vs svs tower, ran at the same volume with no EQ and stuff, and to be measured.
Thank you for this review!
I didn’t measure the SVS Ultra Towers but can tell you that I had to increase the volume considerably when switching between the Ultra Towers and the Klipsch RF7 III speaker’s. They are definitely more efficient. How much more, that I cannot say.
Some have suggested that Klipsch speakers are around 3dB less sensitive than they claim. I cannot verify this.
I think the SVS had a 3dB gain because of its double RMS watt rating. But it makes me wonder if the Klipsch R-115sw could handle a bigger amplifier than it has now?
Possibly so Marcus
Add a 2nd sub = 6db gain. 3db from doubling the power, 3db from double the efficiency (cone area) 6db total.
Need to review monoprice monolith subs
Are you going to look at the spl 15 at all? Great video as usual man. I always look forward to your content
Possibly so. Might be a bit as I have a few new products on their way. The SPL 15 is a tier below the R-115SW
@@Youthman i was looking at the spl 150 and im pretty sure its supposed to replace the r115sw. It looks like judging off the specs, its supposed to dig deeper than the r115sw as well. Plus it has a better amplifier. I dont see why klipsch would release a product that is a tier down from the 115
I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure I asked and was told the R-115SW is their top sub. I’ll look at my emails when I get home
@@SpencersStuffTV Specs are exactly the same, it's just a newer model. All they did was change the texture/appearance to match the RP line.
@@loganf6517 yeah i just glanced back again and youre right. I did see the only major change besides the design is the amp is a class d amp now. Itd be kinda weird having the r115 and the spl 150 being flagship 1 and flagship 2 in my opinion, but hey, im not Klipsch 😉
I’d base my purchase on how each one integrates with monitor speakers and it’s sound. My Klipsch 12sw outperformed my velodyn (which cost twice the Klipsch) in both sound and integration.
My dm first Subs were Velodyne (CT-100, F1500 and then Dual HGS15’s). They were great until I purchased an older Klipsch RSW-15. I liked them so much I bought 3 more. Sold them last year and bought Dual PB16’s
I had a Carver sub that sounded good when it worked, repaired multiple times. Then in 2004 spent $1300 on a velodyn spl-1000, it just quit working recently. Picked up a my RSW-12 not long ago and integrates easily with all my speakers and has a smooth sound. I’ll keep it until it dies one day.
@Youthman could you please upload a video on how to implement the rew measurements in to your Marantz Audyssey multeq.
You would need something external from a receiver like a miniDSP 2x4. REW would send the measurements to it and it would EQ based on what it found (similar to Audyssey). I have one in for review but have not had a chance to use it yet.
@@Youthman oh that's interesting...
Sweet
Thanks
I think he’s getting abit comfy with those theatre seats, giving his things a home in them😂😂😂😂
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random question. For someone with Newbie ears that enjoys good quality sounds. What is a best bang for buck system that's 2.1? My old Klipsch 2.1 computer speaker subwoofer just went out, and I think its finally time for a replacement system. These speakers did the job ok, they are just a tad too small for an small room.
Not random at all. Depends on how much your budget is. You will need a pair of speakers, sub and a receiver.
do you think 1 pb ultra 16 will outperform 2 sw115's? I had 2 of the sw115's and was happy but i am really considering a pb ultra 16. thanks!!
The PB16 is a beast of a sub. I haven’t compared them side by side plus my PB16’s weigh 175lbs each and are difficult to move around
youtube crashed right after I pressed thumbs up. lol. what kind of sign is it? youtube can't coop 16 hz? all the best. great head2head test... as always.
Haha nice
which of those deliver more bass that you can feel it in your body ??
That will be what I want to find out. So far, I have only taken measurements of the PB3000.
What is your opinion on the performance of the SVS PB13 Ultra vs. SVS PB3000? (used as single subs, not dual). Thanks, Love your videos!
I have not heard the PB 13 as that as an older model. I do have several videos on the PB3000 And was very impressed with its performance
Just a request, I know the Subs aren't rated below 15, but can you make the graph go to 10 or so on the left, so we can see how far they go until they fall off? BTW I LOVE that we are seeing some solid analysis and explanation of the outputs using the REQ. I used this test and graph myself, but your explaining WHY each matters, which is spot on great help.
Sure, I just wasn’t sure if there might be potential to damage the sub to try and play frequencies it cannot handle.
Still very “green” to REW
@@Youthman Many test songs have a range wider than the speakers, not sure it would hurt them at all, but just what the sub can replicate? Since your graph shows SOLID performance at 17, it has to drop off at least a few db under it. Consider it the overhead that isn't listed on the specs.
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Hey Youthman. I got a pair of Klipsch SPL-150 in my room for about 4 months now. They definitely needed a lot of tweak to get them how I wanted, but eventually I got them where I wanted them. Deep bass, not boomy. Just enough to fill entire room. Awesome experience in movies. Sofa shaking and all that.
BUT, no matter how I set them up, place them or adjust them, they don't have that tight bass you get from a sealed sub. all you get is sub sonic bass, so in music, I am not that satisfied. Especially in rock/metal music, where I want that kick drum to punch me in the chest, you know? Keep in mind, my room is untreated. Only sofa and a wardrobe, some chairs, nothing much. But the subs are still ported so,
Would you say that a pair of SVS-PB4000 would be a wiser choice, even though the prices are so different? Will I see a big difference to what I want? Ever felt that tight punch on your chest with SVS-PB4000? Or Klipsch for that matter, bcuz maybe it's my room acoustics after all.
Sorry for the long message!
The SPL-150 should be very similar in performance to the R-115SW I reviewed. Although a great value, I do not see it being able to compete with the PB4000. Maybe the PB3000 but I remember being thoroughly impressed with the PB3000. I have always enjoyed Klipsch but SVS tends to trump them in the sub department.
Nice video but I do want to add something. When you go from 1 subwoofer to 2 you gain 6db's in output so long as they are closer than 1/4 wavelength of the frequency the subs are reproducing. 3 dbs for the doubling of power, 3 dB's for the doubling of surface area of the woofer. 80hz wave is aprox 15 feet in length. 1/4 wavelength is 3.5 feet again aprox. 2 subs against a wall closer than 3.5 feet will couple for a 6db gain at 80hz. It is really easy to test this. Take 2 Same powered subs and have each sub putting out 80dbs being fed pink noise alone with the other sub off. Put them together touching each other side by side and run pink noise through them with them both on. Take a measurement. You should see 86dbs now. (I've been doing this as a demo for over 40 years) Now turn 1 off. You will see a 6 dB drop back down to 80 dBs. For me I like to have them at 1/8 wavelength or closer if doing a system measurement for coupling at a given frequency is required. The lower in frequency the larger the wavelength so that can come into play as well. When subs are placed in locations where the distance apart is greater than 1/4 wavelength and room nodes come into play then yes 3 dB's is a good average to go by, but it should be measured at a given location to see if time alignment is needed to get them in phase at the required frequency. As I'm sure you know 2 subs in the wrong location can reduce bass instead of increasing it.
I got 2x 12' THX select 2 subwoofers. I read for THX certification a sub should be able to go 105dB at 35 hertz. Does anyone know why 35 hz?
Not sure. I’m guessing there is much more than that to be THX certified. A sub can be loud and not be accurate
@@Youthman Yeah I read it is way more detailed. I described it wrong. Was just wondering as I see so much random specs. Nice videos and setups b.t.w.
On my reciever I can set the fronts to small and set the roll off to 80hz but doesn't allow me to set sub in it. I listen to music mostly and movies some. What would you recommend setting crossover on back of sub at . metal mostly and some bass guitar stuff
When you set the crossover in your receiver for your mains at 80Hz, you are telling the receiver to send 80Hz and above to your mains and below 80Hz to the sub. Same is true for the rest of your channels. The. Turn the crossover on the back of the sub as high as it will go (typically 120Hz) that way you don’t have two crossovers trying to do the same thing
@@Youthman for music would it make sence to set mains higher like 100hz and let subs play more of the base
I have a choice between the rsw-15 or the r-115 which one would you recommend as far as music and movies
RSW-15 is a far better subwoofer than the R-115SW. With that said, it is also about 16 years old so you might have a concern for the amplifier going out. I used to have 4 RSW-15’s in my setup. Just before I sold them to upgrade, One of the amplifiers failed. That is the only issue with having subwoofers that are over 15 years old.
Youthman awesome I appreciate you replying back. Still trying to figure out everything between setting up my definitive powered towers and definitive center channel with a pioneer elite vsx-50 receiver.
I ended up buying the r-115sw for really cheap and it was in mint condition. I don’t know how to set them up in the receiver setting on the large speaker option or small
Is this also true if you compare klipsch r-110 against lower tier svs
Not sure. The “lowest tier” SVS I’ve heard is the SB3000 and PB3000
I'm late to the program and honestly not interested in either of these subs. I really enjoyed the nerding out up until the end though, where you rounded down on the Klipsch and up on the SVS. I really want to see the chart with both of their first signs of compression, not SVS compression vs Klipsch without.
Would love to see a comparison of the SVS PB 1000 vs Klipsch 12hg Synergy series 12-inch 300-watt sub. Could you do that please?
Unfortunately I do not have any plans to review the PB 1000 or the synergy series.
Synergy Series has been discontinued for a few years now
Yes it has been, was going to mention it in my original comment.. it's still available for purchase as I recently ordered one.. just wanted to have it compared to the svs 1000 to see how it matches up.. if you get a chance see what you can do for me bruv!!
Boy 400 for a 15" seems to be a conservative amount especially when SVS has 800w on a smaller driver but size isn't everything when comes to subs there's alot of variables other than surface area as we all know.. But then again 400w isn't peanuts and 800w is alot...the Klipsch did good for half the wattage IMO
So Youthman, what's your conclusion, which sub would you take or recommend if it was up to this test.. SVS because it's bit louder below 20hrz...? Or just get two R-115's with less money than one SVS...?
I would definitely go with 2 Klipschs if you have the space for it just for the added advantage of bass uniformity in the room, but then again the Klipsch is not half the price of the SVS so you would end up paying more anyways. For that price you could probably get a better Sub from SVS than the PB 3000 anyways.
@@sfh2110 Well, here in Finland Klipsch is 749€, so 2 would be 1498€. SVS PB3000 is 1899€, so 2 Klipsch's would actually be a quite a lot cheaper.. :D
And as Youthman said in the early start of the video, Klipsch is currently on sale for 699$, so two of those is 1398$...and one SVS is 1399$..
My vote would be a pair of R-115SW vs a single PB3000 for the same reasons mentioned above
Jari Niemi the human ear can barely hear frequencies below 20hz so it’s pretty worthless to your ears.
Correct. But sub 20Hz feels so good!
How does the new klipsch sub compare to the old ones you had with passive radiators?
A lot less output. The RSW-15 had a 15” active + 15” passive and was $1800 new.
@@Youthman I Personally think the klipsch woofers were better before. I got a 10" woofer from the active triangle subs for a 100 bucks. And it's a lot more beefy than the woofers that are in the subwoofers today
I had a pair of cherry RT10D and a black RT12D. They sounded great up to moderate levels but they would bottom out if you pushed them.
I will be running it in a ported battery powered boombox, so it will do the job :)
Hi Youthman, Came to know about your videos very recently. You are doing a great job. Thank you very much.
Adding a second sub is going to give you 6dB more. So buying two Klipsch subs will not only be cheaper but also more powerful than the PB3000 and a better response in the room.
Thank you kindly. I was thinking it was a 3dB Gain with a second sub and 6dB for stacking subs.
@@Youthman, Tom V of PSA explained in one of our queries about the 6dB gain for the second sub. You may refer to www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-coherentsources.htm
Hi. Is there any advantage with dual port over single port.
Balraj Balraj ...no... any differences aren’t worth mentioning...
Not necessarily or every speaker would have multiple ports. It has to do with their tuning frequency
Another great video hey youthman i have a question im getting a 2.1. System what type of wires do i hook up to the center channel and subwoofer like what are the names of the wire and how many will i need?
THE MOBS a 2.1 has no center. As for cables I recommend Blue Jeans Cable. Hope this helps.
@@megaetk thanks so the rca goes to subwoofer and amp?
@@themobs360 if your subwoofer is powered (most are) then yes you would run an RCA cable from the subwoofer out or line out on the receiver/preamp to the RCA input of the subwoofer.
@@megaetk ok thanks for replying back i appreciate it
For sure
Please do this for the PB2000 vs R115
i agree that this would be the most interesting comparison, all reviews would suggest the pb 2000 would have 3-4 db higher output at 20hz (2metres away) and less at 60hz - (5db), however after watching this im interested to see if there is even so much as 2db difference in room at listening position at 20hz?
Everything I’ve seen says the PB2000 and R115 are the comparable models. Price point vs output is about the same
it would also be interesting to see how the 500watt BK monolith would compare - these are really cheap in the uk and also have high quality hand built cabinets - not to be confused with the 300watt version which has a claimed output of 102db at 20hz(5% distortion)
I think it was the fact that the PB3000 is basically double the price of the Klipsch. So you could have run dual R115SW for basically the same price as the PB3000, that would have been more fair. For the money, dual R115SW would be the smart choice.
I agree
Do the test again with dual Klipsch 😁 against the one SVS.
Its already in the works 😀
Am waiting for that video, Youthman.
Two klipsch subs will be louder than the 1 svs pb3000. You’re doubling both the amplifier and the cone area rather than just doubling one or the other. You should theoretically gain 6db. But realistically it’ll be between 4.5dB -6dB. BUT because the SVS has a smaller sub with double the rms power in a box that’s a tad bit bigger and a port configuration thats more efficient is the reason why its so much better down low. You’d think the 15” klipsch could hang in a little better. But they are almost half the price of a pb3000
I think for half the price, the R-115 hangs with the PB3000 very well.
hey buddy can you make a review on Definitive Technology SuperCube 8000
I haven’t looked into the SuperCube but I am considering the BP9080
The SuperCube 8000 looks cool. Would be glad to review it sometime.
A these videos focus on frequency response, because it's easy. What I never see is a speed or time domain test, overhang and such. I want fast, musical subwoofers, and I am no closer to knowing which is better for me.
That’s likely because most of us do not know how to run those tests and the vast majority likely do not know how to interpret those graphs
How did they sound differently in real world material I would like to know. And is it a significant enough difference to spend significantly more coin
Tonight I did just that. I will share my thoughts on how they compare in a real world scenarios.
I was just looking at the Klipsch sub at Best Buy, drooling over it...
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I really thought the svs would wipe the floor with the klipsch,the svs is more expensive , double the power, and go deeper,on paper,I heard the klipsch is good, but this is shocking,in a good way, Im happy I got 2 of them!
now adding a second sub to gain 3dB is only true if ur amplifier power stays the same, by adding a second sub u are increasing the efficiency by 3 dB => i.e. 1 sub - 100 watts - 100dB => 2 subs - 100 watts or 50 watts each = 103dB, that means 2 klipsch that would have also double the power would be at +6 dB