Everything You Missed In The Two Newest Sanders Sides Videos
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I’m just gonna point out that when it’s showing Janus and Remus playing DDR, they run and hide because they hear Patton coming. Patton is saying something about how he needs to get his pants, which is why he left for a tiny bit in Am I Original, because he didn’t have his pants on. That’s good detail.
Ah! Amazing I never considered this, good work!
I noticed that it was a reference but I couldn't remember what episode it was from.
Also in that Janus had orange socks on
@@rolo5193 I thought they were orange socks too. But then someone pointed out that it's Janus's socks from the sanders sides socks Thomas released
@@kermit00000 Ohhhh okay haha
The fact that Janus is spraying anti-spoiler spray in Remus' eyes is another thing that might indicate orange side being rage (all that see no evil and blinded by rage stuff)
HEY YEAH
@@PickYourPoisonThis channel is run by the best people lol
Anyone else laugh at Logan's wine glass getting progressively larger throughout the video
Definitely!!! 😂
I noticed it, laughed at first, and then realised the implications of Logan’s mental state…. Aaaaawwww I hope he gets that character arc he really needs, aaah!
I think Janus is similar to Virgil in a sense that they are neutral. actually you can argue that Virgil had good intentions all along, making Janus the true neutral. That is because deciet can work both with and against morality depending on the circumstance. This is why I believe Janus will get a redemption arc as everyone learns to understand their imperfections. This might just be me being an absolute Janus stan tho and I can understand why some people believe him to be more malicious. I think the maliciousness is a defense mechanism but again thats a headcanon, and probably just mine
I also think Janus will get a redemption arc! This video was much more about how currently Janus is only accepted by Thomas and not by everyone else. He may be there for Thomas and want the best for him, but his intentions towards the other sides at the moment are seemingly darker in nature. Trust me, we are both big Janus stans as well 😊
@@PickYourPoison they also act around him like they used to act around Virgil when they saw him as an antagonist. Even some of Janus's nonverbal cues have started to show he feels (or felt, at least) troubled by the way the others see him.
@@PickYourPoison yeah, I think primarily think that something happened between the light sides and the dark sides in the past, possibly the light sides being involved in removing the dark sides from Thomas' conscious mind. Virgil was attitudinal and very briefly antagonistic in the beginning, clearly holding grudges and wanting to ruffle a few feathers but the more he got positive interaction and treatment, the more comfortable and accepting he was to the point he mostly sees himself as one of them, wants to protect them, make them proud, etc.
But whether intentionally again at them, or unintentionally, he left Janus and Remus behind, and they to me are holding the stronger grudges. Remy's had bitterness but just wants to have his fun, whether he's only annoying the others and nothing more or he's actually reaping satisfying damage. He can have days when he doesn't care, then days when he's determined to make a point.
Janus, however.... He is intent on getting back at the others. He doesn't seek to harm just to harm, and his primary concern is Thomas, but that's underneath a lot of hate and blame that he is clearly making a drawn out plane to release upon the others.
At least that's what I think.
Ok no one missed the orange teaser
I wondered if Remus‘ „spoiler“ about a huge storm coming might be another hint that Virgil will have a big role in the problems the finale will tackle, because he is the stormcloud? This might also tie in with the whole p-word thing...
I'm pretty sure Virgil used to be Paranoia as a dark side. Which we happen to see a lot in working through intrusive thoughts. Remus made Thomas paranoid. Thats how i got it at least
@@thehistorian7060 Interesting theory! 😃👍
Mine is that Paranoia could be some sort of overdrive mode of Virgil - anxiety and suspicion to the point of trusting noone.
I can‘t wait to see how this pans out!
@@deena2851 Also a good theory. I can't wait for the next sanders sides
@@thehistorian7060 I see where you’re coming from, especially with the tie in of how Remus and Virgil work.
My idea is that the paranoia theory isn’t 100% wrong, but just wrong in how it’s just about always presented. It’s almost always presented in the way that it was Virgil’s trait when he was a Dark Side, but I see it as he still is paranoia but in the way that Roman can be both Thomas’s creativity AND passion, Patton can be Thomas’s morality AND his heart, etc. I think he’s still Anxiety, but has control over paranoia since that’s in the fear department.
OH YEE
Personally, I think it would be interesting if the episode went back on Virgil's redemption with his Panic form, and went back on Janus's redemption when it's revealed he was the one letting them out. Then we would have a very big divide between the light and dark sides, except for Remus. And if Remus is the bridge between sides, the world is in trouble.
Either that, or just a split in general, sides picking teams and ending up in 2 to 3 different groups.
Unrelated: Petition for Darkside Jams.
-Forbidden Fruit
-Banannaconda
-T(anger)ine
TANGERINE PLEASE THATS THE BEST THING IVE EVER HEARD
TANGERINE LMFAOOO 😭😭😭
id actually love to see virgil getting back in his 'panic form'. It could be because he lost trust in the light sides or just patton. Atleast it would be cool to see
no bc t(anger)ine is actually SO GOOD
I have a theory that the dark sides were all light sides at 1 point, until Thomas rejected some of them. I also think it's highly likely that Virgil split off or was created from Paton, just because Patton seems to talk about Virgil as a kid more than the others. It would make a lot of sense if Patton was unable to let go of his idea of Virgil because in a sense he really was his parent at one time. Also anxiety could come from a moral conflict.
Whatever it is they're fighting about, although I think it's kind of a one-sided fight because Patton seems to just want things to go back to normal, I think it has a lot to do with Patton still having trouble seeing Virgil as a mature person.
I've been thinking a lot more about this and I've come to the conclusion that while Patton probably shouldn't talk to Virgil in the exact same way he does, he does talk that way to some extent to everyone and they all accept that as part of him except for Virgil. While both of them are in the wrong, Virgil seems to have the most to work through in that respect. While Patton may talk to him in rose-colored terms and come across as thinking of Virgil as younger than he is, a habit which needs to be dialed down, I feel like Patton deserves a level of respect that Virgil is just not giving him. If it weren't for Patton, he likely would have never been accepted by the Light sides or it would have taken a lot longer. I don't think that Patton is under any Illusions about what Virgil is, darker aspects or otherwise. It just comes across that way because of how he speaks oh, and he has trouble controlling his sentimentality and stepping back from it. Virgil is really starting to annoy me though, because it seems that as he has softened up he feels that he has lost the things that made him feared, even though he can make Thomas feel fear without being feared himself. It's like he's being edgy for the sake of being edgy and taking it out on Patton because he knows that Patton is the only one who will tolerate it. It's kind of messed up. " it's nice that they think they feel that way?" Dude, I know what anxiety is like and I know what it's like to feel like people don't like you as opposed to the contrary, but you need to chill. That attitude is hurting everyone, especially Patton, and although there may be an underlying reason for it we don't know it yet and from the outside it looks really odd. I know what it feels like to have a lot of love to give and nobody that wants it. It's awful, and I feel really uncomfortable just thinking about this whole dynamic. Full disclosure, I m a logicality shipper but the reason that I like the pairing so much is because despite their differences, they really respect each other. Logan might not think that Patton respect him anymore because of their conflict in the episode where we saw his room, but I don't think it was a lack of respect at all oh, it was setting temporary boundaries. The respect they feel for each other is still clearly there. I don't know how I feel about him and Virgil anymore. Maybe I'm making too big a deal out of this. And it's not even a bias against Virgil. Almost every character has been my favorite character at some point in this series, him included. That's how good of a series this is.
I think virgils heterochromia is a reference to how he isn’t completely a light side or a dark side
That would also explain Janus
When Remus brought up the mind palace I was like so when Patton accidentally made a kinda inappropriate joke that confirms it was Remus slipping through the cracks
Sex…aphone
There’s another but I don’t fully remember
Wait “an ass…et to your personality.
i think that the lack of communication between the light sides is going to blow up in our faces soon and im scared (/lh). virgil even says "its nice that they think they feel that way" when everyone talks about him in the anniversary special, and that probably means he feels very uncomfortable/unappreciated with the light sides. patton talks about how he feels bad for hiding his emotions (in past tense), completely ignoring and masking his current feelings, and logan makes numerous passive aggressive comments about everyone ignoring him. roman in general just seems really stuck on the callback, not to mention that recently it seems like we havent been seeing the sides together unless absolutely necessary. i have a feeling its all going to result in a large conflict somehow.
We are also scared
I am extremely scared, especially for Logan. I actually think that that might be oranges function in the episode. Orange will be there to get everybody's just see the truth about the dysfunction going on. Anger is very good at pointing out problem areas for a person, and since there's some evidence that orange might be rage, I think they will explore the good and bad sides of anger through that lens.
Fun fact, quite a few of these jokes and 'bits' from the sides in this episode came from the writers room. I remember being there when Thomas was gathering ideas for interactions. Things like: the growing wine glass, the anti-spoiler spray, Patton nicknaming Janus 'Jan', Remus changing the name for Roman on screen, Janus mistaking Patton for a garbage can etc etc came from other patreons. It was a fun time for sure.
I think it's not Rage, I think it's Irrationality. Would make more sense, since it's the opposite of Logic. Also I think Patton acted weirdly because he's familiar with heartbreak, and is not too open to the idea of revisiting it. But also it may be about trust, that's a good thought about it.
God I'm so happy that the fandom is at least somewhat active. I don't know what I'd do if I was stranded with just my own theories lol
clearly we feel the same way 😅
Umm the fandom is not active anymore
I personally think that the orange side may be pessimism. Because in “exploring nostalgia” the picture in the background changes. At some point, it changes to Thomas doing the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. We know that Janus is speak no evil because he can shut people up by making them cover their mouth. Remus is hear no evil cuz he can block out someone’s hearing or focus it on something. So the orange side might be see no evil. A pessimist is someone that ignores the good things and focus’ on the bad things in life. So I think the orange side is pessimism and he can make the others only see the bad. Logan was trying to explain the good things about Remus and saying he could be useful and was trying to see the good things in the situation but then he acknowledges the bad thing, being that he was being ignored, so the orange side took over to show Logan what was going on.
Very interesting idea!! I love this theory, thanks for sharing.
Literally almost screamed at the surprise upload and dropped everything to watch, but it's nbd :))))))))
My personal prediction regarding Janus is that his "redemption/acceptance arc" (assuming he's getting one) is far from over. I appreciate the many observations you've made about his little "liar tells" or suspicious lines in episodes since the redux, and I think it's making me more confident in the theory that Janus is still not being fully honest about himself or his intentions.
I do think that his name reveal was a moment of true vulnerability for him, but it was strategic. He gave out that personal fact with the explicit goal of gaining trust, which he got. What we don't know is where his plans go from here, and how they connect to the orange side. We do know is that Janus is responsible for hiding Remus from Thomas and then letting him out (pretty much confirmed in THAT part of forbidden fruit), likely out of frustration from not being listened to in SvS. Additionally, Remus brings up Janus multiple times in that episode as a suggested solution for dealing with him, leading me to believe that what Janus hoped to gain by releasing Remus was Thomas specifically calling on his Deceit for help (which didn't happen :/).
Based on that theory, Janus might try doing the same thing with the orange side: release a "monster," get Thomas to ask for his help (ideally ONLY his help), then swoop in to save the day and thus solidify his influence. It might actually work this time, now that Thomas accepts him. Assuming that Mr. T(anger)ine doesn't overpower him. BUT...
it also might not work. :) The drama, then, would be Janus re-losing all his recently gained trust as a result of his own deception, which may in turn lead to another arc of him attempting to be accepted through true honesty. Although, to be honest (ha), I don't know if that's even a desirable goal in this case, given that Thomas DOES need deception, just like he needs anxiety. A major issue with Virgil's acceptance was his struggle to keep Thomas afraid of him---or at least take his fears seriously---while at the same time being treated like a harmless friend. To some extent, I think this struggle is still ongoing. Who's to say that similar issues wouldn't arise with Janus attempting to overcome or suppress his own deceitful nature? (Not me... we are way too far into speculation territory now.)
Aaaaaaanyways, long post. Sorry. All this to say that I love and appreciate your eyes for detail! Best of luck in hiatus limbo with the rest of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
man, I absolutely love reading your theories
I really like your prediction, I wanna share mine if you don't mind because while reading yours I remembered a talk I had with my friend,
Basically we were thinking about wich of the sides would not be present when the Orange side takes the spotlight, sence it is by this point already obvious that it would be rage
we immediately ruled out Logan because Rage and Anger goes more on the emotional side so when you're in a "Fit of Rage" logic is no longer there, Next we thought of Intrusive thoughts and we were a bit reluctant on ruling out Roman so we thought he could be more of a way to deal with Anger so he could have some influence, and everyone else would be present to help Thomas, well Janus has his own intentions
that's all I wanted to say, sorry if there are any grammar mistakes English is my 2nd language.
I loved reading this 10/10 I love this theory.
Room Theory
I've theorized that dark sides and light sides aren't able to get to eachother's roos unless they have been led there by Thomas
examples from the 2 rooms we've seen
Example 1
When going to Virgil's room Patton says they need Thomas to get everyone all there
Later in the end card of pt 2 we obviously see that Patton/Logan/Roman can all now find and get to V's room because they have been there before with Thomas and can now find it on their own because they know where it is
Similar to when you may drive to a new place, at first you might need a navigation app to help you or someone else to lead the way, but once you've been there, you get the idea and for the most part remember where it was
Example 2
When going to Patton's room, Virgil was the last one to sink out before leaving to go to Patton's room, hence signifying again, he needed Thomas to lead the way to a light side's room
Example 3
End card for halloween/phases video, Janus and V are/were both dark sides so Janus knows where V's room is. he doesnt need Thomas to guide him there because they are both dark sides so he knows where it is and can then obviously show up to tease him.
The only thing that debunks this is the most recent video showing that Remus and Janus have played DDR in Patton's room...
They just followed Thomas and hid for some fun game time lol
Well, according to the idea that Roman was actually Janus when all the sides went to Patton's room for the first time, it would actually make sense that Janus knew where Patton's room was because (disguised as roman) he traveled with the other sides, therefore getting the directions from Thomas.
(Also i just now found this video and have been binge reading the theories in the comments, hence the very late response to this comment :)
@@puglover-kx1wh oo I like that!
Here's some food for thought as I watched this...
What if the "betrayal" that you mentioned was actually referenced to Virgil and Patton, instead of Nico and Thomas? Maybe after SvS redux, Virgil found out that they, the light sides (mainly Thomas and Patton), accepted Janus without much content. And that probably sparked a sense of betrayal between the two.
Another thing, why did Janus bring up something French? throughout the series names and expressions were either Christianity related, the religion that Thomas has ties to, and Roman history, Virgil the Philosopher, Romulus and Remus the Kings of Rome, and Janus the two-faced serpent from Roman Mythology. So why french philosophers of all things? I think that the orange side, rage as speculated, is going to related to something french.
With the more appearances of alcohol with Logan, I think something is going to happen with that or Thomas was just giving us a little food for all of the head cannons we made about the sides.
Also Janus' background is significantly darker than the rest, even Remus' who is a dark side and Virgil's who likes the dark and a past dark side. Maybe that references the mysteries behind Janus' lies or what he hasn't said yet.
You were right when you brought up Patton being uneasy with Nico. I think, since he's morality, which kinda deals with religion, it's to do with his Christianity. Now I don't know if Thomas identifies as a Christian but I know that he has been raised from it, said in past videos. I also know that Christians can accept people from the LGBT community and can be queer, as seen in myself, so this is no hate towards Patton or other Christians.
I noticed that only the light sides and Virgil had an opinion on Nico. And only Virgil, Roman, and Logan had positive responses, even Logan who has little to no info about him, only knows what Thomas knows and is interested to get to know him.
The Jacket the Thomas is wearing can be seen in "Learning New Things About Ourselves" which was also a reflect on the past and where they will be in the future. So maybe the jacket will resemble any time the episode it about reflecting on the past? Idk, this could also just be a fashion choice.
I'm going to stop this right here because this is already long...
Thomas does identify with Christian beliefs, I think in a Sander Sides video a plot point was that Christian values taught him it was wrong to take care of himself, but he has also stated his affinity with it in past vlogs/videos as well.
I think it's less about this [tho it'd be an interesting plot point] and more about Patton knowing the many issues Thomas has and worrying about his mental health regarding a new relationship. More often than not, mental health issues break relationships, which would make Thomas's issues even worse. He has a right to worry.
I thought that Thomas had a Catholic upbringing?
Isn’t Thomas a Catholic?
@@vartyii This may make some people mad but they're very similar and have similar values. My mom is catholic and my (homophobic) step mom is Christian. Their values are similar and follow similar things but the only difference between them is the homophobia but that's not on the religions themselves.
Couldn’t “you’ve got a big storm coming” also be something relating to Virgil because his emblem is a storm?
Absolutely! Love this thoery!
@@PickYourPoison sweet thanks
I have a wild theory about Patton acting weird when asked about Nico.
Light spoilers for Patton's 2-parter.
So, in Patton's two-parter, we're brought to his room for nostalgia reasons, and it all started because Thomas was thinking about his ex from when he auditioned for Guys and Dolls. This was when we really got to see Patton be vulnerable.
I think Patton's so weary about Nico because he doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. He's extra cautious with it because he knows how badly Thomas got hurt with the G&D ex, and how badly he hurt himself by forcing himself to be happy when he clearly wasn't.
The tension between Patton and Virgil technically started the episode after Virgil revealed he was a dark side. So I think they maybe had a fight over that because Patton doesn’t like lying.
Which really shows Patton's immaturity as a moral side, because morally speaking, Virgil didn't lie because the others didn't know that was even a thing, and if he had mentioned it earlier he would've been antagonized.
And I think this makes a good point towards Patton's character, that has come up time and time again, which is that his love is conditional. The fact that he doesn't see how the act of "coming out" with this information would've been dangerous for Virgil and how hypocritical he's being could've been the start of their argument, which makes the "Are there healthy distractions?" video even more prominent with the 'coming out' parallel I did myself.
"How are you telling me to settle into something right now, when you've taken your sweet time to settle into things that you were uncomfortable with in the past?" speaks for itself. It's basically saying "how are you telling me to just accept this, when you're still trying to accept the real me even now?".
It's also nice to point out that in that video Thomas tells Virgil very subtly that he accepts him, while Patton still struggles with it, which makes 2 "dark sides" Thomas has accepted without every side being in agreement.
All I can see is Logan and Patton dressed as Kyoya and Tamaki for OHSHC
How dare you say something like this - I will be thinking about it for the next three months
I was completely bamboozled for a sec because I thought I’d somehow missed the fact that Virgil had heterochromia😳 but I guess you just meant the puppet lmao, the way you worded it made it sound like he does too
(Btw the family pictures are adorable😩❤️)
There were two suspected instances that Virgil appeared to have heterochromatic eyes. It’s been mentioned on tumblr before if you want to look for it. If you can’t find it, I can track them down for you.
@@PickYourPoison ah okay🤔 I’ve looked it up in reterospect. Just never seen it mentioned before!
*Pauses to give Janus a crown*
only the best
1:03 i wonder if him saying “all the spaces were taken” is also another hint to the orange side possibly being Logan rather than another character
for some reason, people are saying that the orange side is not a "physical being" but remember when Roman was unintentionally hinting towards Remus. This its probably just foreshadowing
I am surprised no one has brought this up yet. The names for Logan and Patton came from Logos and Pathos. Logos is persuasion through Logic and Reasoning. Pathos is persuasion through emotion. We are missing one more means of persuasion, which is Ethos. Ethos is the act of persuasion using authority and credibility/trust. I think the name of the new side will be Ethan to follow the rules of threes. In the beginning of working through intrusive thoughts we see Logan adjusting Thomas's Chemical Engineering degree. Logan out of all of the sides values his credibility and not to being seen as a joke. However, throughout the series Thomas and all of the other sides have been chipping away Logan's credibility to the point that Thomas is no longer listening to him. Eventually, Logan will put his foot down and demand Thomas listen him and assert his authority as the "most important side". Whether this will lead to Logan splitting into pure logic and authority or Orange as Ethos is already asserting his authority over Logan, through his outbursts, only time will tell.
EDIT: I forgot there is another form of persuasion known as Kairos which means appeal to urgency or opportune time. If we go by the split theory, then we could get two new sides Orange ->Ethos ->Ethan and Pink ->Kairos->Kairos or Kai for short. We may not be seeing Logan for a while after Orange side is revealed.
It's so cool that you pointed out the two families of dark sides and light side I found that so cool ( and the lil drawings were so cute )
thank you! I couldn't resist the family portrait!
@@PickYourPoison they really are adorable.
I really like the quality of your content they are really well made and insightfull :D
An interest little thought & I admit this is a bit of a stretch. First I'm curious if what happens with Nico is either something that really happens or something that Thomas thinks happened like the introduction of Janice "Is lying good" video where Thomas blew Joan's gig situation out of proportions. Or perhaps it was cause not by Nico but by Thomas himself.
The stretched theory I have is the adultery joke. The twist idea is that Nico is actually committing adultery by cheating on some one else with Thomas. Possibly lying about their lack of response with him because he's with his spouse. Bonus drama points if it turns out that he was with a woman so Nico was lying about being gay/straight.
The thing with Janus is that he, like Virgil, just does what he has to, because otherwise the other Sides won't listen to him. Maybe it is also because Thomas has a habit of listening to the "Light Sides" and isn't open to more perspectives? Janus is just trying to give his input in the only way he knows how to, lies and deceit.
HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THE HETEROCHROMIA
...I threw my phone across the room when I saw that oops
that's valid
so here’s my theory of what’s going on with orange and Janus: so I believe Janus is genuinely trying to help Thomas but in ways can’t. He has to play into the villain because if he didn’t none of the sides would listen because they’d think if the act was a lie so was everything else he said so he has to play into the villain roll but there’s times he lets it slip, namely in the into the unknown video and the end of working through intrusive thoughts. You can feel the guilt and sadness in those moments like when Patton says “maybe things will get better” you can hear the pain when Janus says “maybe”. So what I think is going on is orange is a leader of sorts of the dark sides since both Janus and Remus make reference to him in some way and when Janus is asked what’s coming up the face slips again when he says “you won’t be bored”. So I think Janus has been or will be going against orange but still knows what orange is gonna do to him and is trying to prepare Thomas, make him some what happy so orange doesn’t completely destroy him. And he tries to gain their trust now because if he tries after orange appears there’s no way he’d be able to
When you mentioned that Virgil saw the dark sides as a family and all of that I just started saying no repetitively-
I was part of the Writer's room that addressed this episode and to watch people analyzing things that I had a hand in is massively entertaining.
I'm really excited to see the orange side!!
Also, i might have a theory about this side but Is kinda stupid but here it goes:
I think that the orange side doesn't have a human form but he Is always there. He knows everything. He can communicate with the others possesing someone that has an incredible amount of rage. Like Logan in WTIT. (i really believe that the orange side possesed Logan so he could scream at Nico for ignoring him)
This theory Is stupid but for me Is kinda interesting
To be honest, I've kind of considered a similar thing, like the orange side acting as an affliction to the others in the same way that Virgil sometimes can as anxiety (since, like rage, anxiety can be considered an emotional outburst/feeling).
@@universtarmods8832 I just came out with something thanks to you. Maybe, (and this is taking the Virgil Paranoia theory) when Virgil went to the light sides and stop being paranoia to be anxiety was because he didn't want to be like the orange side.
Because, I think, Paranoia is a stronger emotion than anxiety, and Rage is (again, I THINK) stronger than anger.
(Sorry if this didn't make any sense)
You guys saying Remus and Janus are married almost broke my Dukeceit-shipping heart from making it so excited- but on that topic, there is a legitimate thing and I'm not sure whether or not Thomas even knew about this, but. Remus and Roman are referred to as twins, or brothers, and while the sides aren't exactly "born", that's still interesting, because Roman's referred to as a prince while Remus is referred to as a duke. But the title of duke isn't inherently royal, and Remus and Roman are somewhat like brothers, so Remus is probably both a prince and a duke. But a prince isn't born also a duke, so what must a prince do to also be a duke? Well, at least in the rules of the British monarchy, a prince is bestowed the title of duke... when he gets married. And who else is Remus gonna be married to if it isn't Janus? Like this isn't even a matter of shipping them, they just. Are married, apparently.
Sorry if that whole thing is confusing or ramble-y or something, I just jump at any opportunity to share that information-
you have my whole heart for this comment
you know, if you want to take the meta further, if Remus and Janus are married, that means Roman and Janus are brothers-in-law, what a complicated dynamic xD!
i saw someone on twitter point out also that with the family dynamic thing, we also know that roman and remus are twins, which would insinuate that Logan and Patton are the oldest, Roman and Remus are their children, Remus is married to Janus, and Virgil (their son) is the youngest. Of course, with Janus and Remus saying they’re the Aunt and Uncle, this also implies that either Roman has a kid or Roman and Remus have another sibling or Janus has a sibling
In the Christmas special you can see that Janus and Remus are trying to make Logan angry
I swear to god Remus and and Janus are so fucking cute, I started shipping them way back before they'd ever interacted in canon because of a fic I'd read and the more we see of them the more I just love them lol.
They really are just fantastic content. The DDR scene had me in stitches
Augh man i love your guys' videos!! Sanders sides content to fuel my obsession >:).
Recently, Thomas on his Instagram said that the final season episode will be in 4 parts, what do you think each part will be about? Or what the topic will be in the video?
I just had this idea where like each part would be about each one the side like there’s 4 sides and 4 parts but maybe I’m just like thinking over board and weirdly lol
Our whole job is to think overboard and weirdly haha. We’re thinking of making a video about that and other stuff but we haven’t seen each other in a while so I’m not sure when that will be but that will be discussed if we do it.
@@PickYourPoison okay
Another thing that tiktokers and gotcha kids need to see, THOMAS WOULD NOT TAKE ANXIETY MEDS. He said during one of his blooper vids and descriptions that he is a habitual worrier and he does not have an anxiety disorder, which is what is treated by anxiety meds. If you could talk about this if you see this, I and others probably, would appreciate that.
We could address that in a future video for sure!
Thank you so much, it has been bothering me, and I'm sorry if I vented
Remus and Janus referring to themselves as a couple hurt my little anxeit heart-
But it does feel right ig, actually seems in character
well you can still ship anxeit because they arent really two different families. i mean roman and remus are supposed to be brothers and so being apart of two different families would mean that they couldnt be brothers.
@@NoideaBabe good point
One year later and I'm still on pins and needles....I really hope Thomas hasn't scrapped the series
10/10
did laugh, would watch again.
glad you liked it person I've never met
Hey, I'm if anyone will see this but I just want to say, none of the sides are perfect. They are all aspects of Thomas's personality and all want the best for Thomas. So please don't bash any of the sides. They are all trying to help Thomas in their own way.
Thank you
I love watching your videos but it seems like you guys really have an issue with Janus lol. I mean, he was introduced as a villain but we've seen his pure intentions and the fact that he's not as mean as he pretends to be. To say that Janus is evil/has bad intentions would mean that Thomas is evil, because Janus is a part of Thomas. Don't forget that Virgil was very similarly snarky with the other sides before his redemption, insulting them whenever he got the chance. Why did he do that? To prevent himself from being vulnerable and to seem more scary. Janus is just doing the same thing. It would honestly be a bummer anyway if after the episode where Janus was accepted, he suddenly starts acting all sweet and pure and good. Thomas kept Janus's character as sarcastic, slightly mean and melodramatic while ensuring the fact that he's no longer "evil". He isn't 100% pure and definitely have some bad ideas like pushing people down the stairs, but in the end, Janus is still a dark side like Virgil who is struggling to get through Thomas in his own way. His way of speaking about the others or Thomas doesn't necessarily mean that he is evil or plotting something. He's just a dramatic Disney villain character who loves to act ominous.
Is it weird i identify with Janus in some way? He's such a complex character, and I definitely get the sarcastic bit. Just because he's introduced as Deceit doesn't make him a bad character; in fact, that name alone made him more complex than the others at the time, because Deceit is presented as true evil, when it is purely neutral.
@@jaceisms2834 I relate to him a lot too. Lying was never good or bad, because it comes to everyone naturally. We all lie at least twice a day. Deceit only seems wrong to a person who was brought up with strict morals i.e Thomas. If anything, Patton is the one to blame for setting the bar too high, but we know that Patton is only a by-product of Thomas's upbringing and the morals instilled in him. None of the sides are truly evil, to be honest, not even Remus. Like Virgil said once "You don't want me here, I get it, but I'm here and this is what I do." They all have different roles that they can't deny and if they do, it'll end up in a situation like the Accepting Anxiety one where Thomas would be incomplete without that one facet.
@@skyhideaway I wonder if the finale will be multiple sides not showing up anymore. Logan's definitely mad about being ignored, Roman would also have a reason for it after SvS Redux, and it could leave just Patton, Virgil, Janus, Remus and the new Orange Side, which would be a very interesting thing to see.
@@jaceisms2834 Now that you say it, I wonder too. And as they said in the video, there's an uncomfortable tension between Virgil and Patton, so that's going to be awkward too. I wonder if it'll end up with only the Dark Sides showing up.
Hmm, what I get from PickYourPoison's theory isn't that Janus has evil plans, just that he tends to keep his plans, in his own words, "close to the chest." For example, in the redux, Janus disguises himself as Logan in order to get Thomas to value self-care. Undeniably, this is a good-intentioned plan not meant to harm anyone. However, it's still deceitful in nature (I'm treating deception as a morally neutral action here). This means that while Janus cares deeply about Thomas's well-being, he won't play by his rules if he thinks they'll slow him down. He has his eyes on the end-goal - always - and is willing to do whatever it takes (aka, deception) to get there. Referring back to the "push down a flight of stairs" joke, I think that's meant to be an example of Janus being Deceit, doing what he does as Thomas's side of deception/self-preservation. As with Virgil/Anxiety, Thomas needs Janus/Deceit to function as a human being. So while Janus may grow closer with other sides and Thomas, this doesn't mean that he'll start showing all his cards now. If he wants to accomplish something (like evil self-care hehe), it's likely that he'll continue to resort to secret plans to get there. We'll see though! There's so much we still don't know about what's coming up, and I can't wait to see where the series takes his character!
I've heard a lot of people say this and I'm gonna expand on it, I personally think it's rage and/or irrationality. See the sides are not emotions, as you know, and are things about Thomas. The one flaw about it being rage is that it's a feeling, kinda think about it as Inside Out. That's how I see it, although you could see my flaw since I guess Virgil is a feeling. And irrationality or rage is the opposite of Logan (Logic), and I personally think that Logan has had the most type of "Rages" or times when he's not thinking out of all the sides, which isn't like him. And when his eyes turn orange I personally think that if a new side was to appear, it would "prosper" from logan. (Idk how to word that)
Maybe a new side will just appear, but I think that it will be the most closely related to logan. I believe when a video comes out about the orange side, that it will zoom in on logan and have logan a chance to talk about how he is ignored a lot, and often only used to help find solutions when logan deeply cares about the sides and actually cares for their feelings, As we saw in not only Remus but also Virgil as well. I'm not saying that logan isn't cared about but I do feel like he should be more worried about. In Putting Others First - Selfish vs. Selflessness, when Janus reveals he was logan all along, logan responds a bit later, "Not that you all care, but I am alright." This just proved that he isn't really... cared about? (I'm unsure how to word this) He just wants the best for Thomas, and to be ignored when he just wants the best for him...
Not only that, but orange is the opposite of blue, and also they're being an orange side completes the rainbow which is kinda funny since Thomas is gay. So it's likely that orange will be the last side. Sorry about this little tangent, feel free to comment and correct me or expand on this idea. I saw this a long time ago and I've never been able to get it out of my head. This is just my opinion.
OK I have my own theory about the orange side so I'm sharing it here! I honestly don't think orange will represent rage. Rage is an emotion, and emotions are a part of Patton's job as the heart. Even though rage connects all of the references made in this video, there is another thing that could connect them all: jealousy.
It could be argued that Logan, who seems the most influenced by orange, is very jealous that the other sides since they are listened to and taken more seriously than him.
Even the references to the orange side could be hints that he himself is jealous of the recognition the other "dark" sides are getting.
I like the rage theory, but honestly? Jealousy could be a lot more influential, especially to Logan
Well anxiety is an emotion,but then we have Virgil.
The "dark sides" are parts that Thomas had repressed and hid away because he saw them as parts that makes him a bad person,so it'd make sense for him to repress and separate his rage from Patton.
I cannot wait to watch the video!
janus has moments of feeling bad for what he has done. he felt bad about all he said to roman and he wanted to get excited and show virgil he found part of his halloween costume but then looked sad when remembering that him and virgil arent friends anymore. part of me is thinking there is something else up his sleeve but he is also still that silly janus he acts like as well. as a janus stan i want to believe he isnt all bad.
btw instead of this side being rage it COULD be malice. malus domestica is the scientific name for apple tree and janus was sitting in an apple tree. that moment made me wonder if he just REALLY likes the evil disney aesthetic or if he is up to something. we hear what he said in the side of the headphones where his snake side is because clearly he was lyign when he said that everything is just fine. a snake sitting in a tree eating an apple? he sure does love bringing up religious stuff because of thomas' catholic past.
We don’t think he’s all bad either! We just wanted to establish that Janus is keeping his plans hidden from the other sides. He clearly has an ulterior motive and shows disdain for all the light sides. He’s not bad and he wants what best for Thomas but his way of achieving that goal may be less than gold star worthy. Also malice is an interesting idea and I like the apple connection, but it’s a very single minded idea - there’s not really a way in which malice benefits you. The orange side will most likely encompass malice but will probably represent a broader idea.
I would like to throw a different theory in the mix regarding the orange side: I believe that there is a high probability, that the orange side could inherent laziness/slothfulness and keep all the suppressed emotions. Based on the theory, that the sides oppose each other, orange must be the opposite of logan, as you yourselves have mentioned in a previous video. As we have seen in wtit, Logan does his best at keeping Thomas productive, while trying to maintain his mental health. Thus orange must be laziness, since that is the opposite of productivity. And to my second dig, that the orange side might hold suppressed emotions: We are currently seeing a trend of Logan, Virgil and maybe Patton holding back their Feelings; especially Feelings of Anger. This will most likely spill out in the next full-length Sanders Sides Video. And we even see Thomas himself internally angry at the wedding-callback situation, with nico right before he calls him and with what happened at the wedding. On screen, Thomas didn't have the space to express his frustration with another human being, that is not a figment of his imagination. I personally believe, that If it was a different emotion, like sadness, that was being suppressed, this situation still had a similar way it is playing out. So: it is not about Rage, but about the suppressed emotion of Anger, turning into rage. Lastly I want to thank you for sharing your theories. They are fun to listen to and I wouldn't have come up with my own idea, without them.
I have a theory about Patton and Janus, they were married and got a divorce. Janus got Remus and Virgil the dark sides. And Patton got Logan and Roman the light sides. And about Logan's growing wine glass he's the underappreciated oldest brother that just turned 21.
I ment had, it autocorrected
I cried in the middle of this when I heard the whole truth
I refuse to believe Janus has bad intentions and will take my tsundere Janus hc to the grave with me!!!! He is simply a little emotionally constipated bastard, that is all!!!! /hj
Edit: Also!!!! Yeah, that whole aunt uncle cousin dad mom son thing killed tf out of me when I realized bc like
Virgil starts his line with “I know they want me to be the son but no” (or something to that effect) and I am DEFINITELY reading a tad too much into this bc the anniversary video is only semi canon like 9/10 canon, but I definitely think him starting with that kinda feels like him rejecting the light sides as his like
Direct family I suppose; that little family role thing def killed me a bit bc like,,,,janus and virgil relationship reparation???? please????? /hj
I'm suppost to be doing my homework rn but this is more important lol
Isnt roman between Patton and Thomas? I still dont get the inside of Thomas’ living room
Roman is between Patton and Virgil
Going clockwise from facing Thomas, it is Patton, Roman, Virgil, and Logan
The new incorrect quotes video is funny but you can see janus squeezing a ORANGE stress ball not to mention one of the comments i found said it was all a lead up to a new sanders sides coming out soon. How soon? no clue could be weeks or months
Wait. Vergil has Heterochromia? The whole time? But I saw a behind the scenes for Janus it seemed like Quil had to put the contact in and like it hurt Thomas. I don't think Thomas would do that for Virgil and not draw a lot of attention to it.
0:04 Why is are those avatars just Karina from the Drawfee Show--
Ohmg i totally missed the family dynamics
i saw the thumbnail and was like: DiD jAnUs LaY a FuCkInG eGG!?!?!?
absolutely going insane over this /pos
Janus is gonna cause some real trouble, I believe that much is true.
I took the Patton thing about Niko to just mean he hadn't met Niko yet and was a bit salty about it.
RIP roman x virgil
Because they are cousin now
Eh cousins ain't that bad
Rip most of the ships tbh.well people still ship moxiety after all these years so-
Yeah, and they thought RemRom was the only incest ship smh. Also when you think about it. Patton and Logan are the parents and Roman said he was the son. Virgil accidentally made himself Remus and Janus' son(even though I like father son Moxiety). Remus and Roman are implied to be "brothers" so wouldnt they both be Lo and Pat's kids? Which, Remus having Virgil as a son makes Roman Virgil's UNCLE!! (When one sibling as a kid the other becomes aunt/uncle)
So yeah, all ships confirmed incest..when really theyre all the same person so its always been incest when you really see it...
I Need To Know,Does Anyone Know The Name Of The Vid When Thomas Was Like "5,6,7,8" And Roman Was Like "No Need To Demonstrate"?
I believe moving on part 1
This very day that I am watching this, is the day that Rousseau died.
I'm surprised Janus didn't mention Remus 😅
Nice
Wait, since WHEN did Virgil have heterochromia?? :0
Virgil has different colored eyes?
Wait since when does Virgil have heterochromia
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IDC ON WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN ROMAN AND JANUS! I WILL ALWAYS SHIP THEM!
I love Demus ngl 😍💚💛
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what if logan is the orange side
I definitely think orange will be rage or aggression
oh? interesting
can I get an ouch in the chat
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is rage gonna be the big sis?
Do some marvel
m a y b e
I have ruined the 999 likes
Got to admit most of this video feels a bit weird.
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