Is Jett Lawrence on track to BEATING Jeremy McGrath's 72 Supercross Wins??
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- Clinton Fowler on Jett Lawrence's insane start to his 450 Supercross career and weather if he is on track to overcoming and beating Jeremy McGraths 72 wins in supercross.
My guest today is Clinton Fowler, the man behind the fantastic statistics that you hear each and every weekend on the Supercross broadcast as well as the fantastic online resource wewentfast.com and his own instagram @fowlerfacts. Clinton gave up his high-paying job at Microsoft developing the XBox to work in the action sports world with Red Bull and wound up developing the sports first detailed database almost on accident. I am a big storylines guy in the sport and no matter what story you throw Clintons way, he has a stat to either back it up or shoot you down. This was a highly enjoyable episode of the podcast with an extremely interesting and knowledgeable guy!
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Watch the full episode here :
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G'day mate. I agree with your comments. I think it's biast against rider's from other countries to be able to watch races when Jett or other non American rider's win. Especially replays. When deegan or webb, tomac, Sexton win the replays are easy to watch and are always available. Avagud1
"I don't care if they are cheering or booing, as long as they are making noise "
Dale Earnhardt
If Jesus Christ himself posted a video of him walking on water half the people in the comments would be making fun of his sandals
Jett is the first guy in a long time the has a shot at McGrath's record. It's by no means going to be easy or in anyway guaranteed but it is possible. And the fact that it is is more than any other rider can say.
It's like Jett Lawrence was created in a lab by Jeremy McGrath and Ricky Carmichael that's how good Jett is.
Jett is a freak smooth rider
If he races 450SX just from 20 years old to exactly 30 years old, he needs to average 7.2 wins per season. He at 7 wins in his rookie season with 2 rounds to go. Most riders peak in their late 20s, so it's safe to expect him to get more wins in future seasons. Really not unrealistic at all
Barring any injuries anyway. As a massive McGrath fan I would love to see Jett at minimum get close and truly hope he can break some of these records. As much as it kinda sucks if MC loses that record, its amazing to see someone has the potential.
@@ndegraafndg sure, and it's no disrespect at all to McGrath. I didn't get that from what Jett said either. If records aren't being broken though, the sport is stagnating, especially if it's a record that was set that long ago in a timeframe when there were a lot fewer unique winners per season and the gaps behind the leaders were huge.
@@BenWilson24 yeah exactly, he never said I am going to beat it, just that it's one of his goals eventually. That's after getting asked the question not even like he brought it up so not sure why people think it's disrespectful.
That's if he never has 1 bad season, 1 bad injury, it's very unlikely he won't ever have a season ending injury or a rough season, he will likely have to race past the age of 30 to beat JM's record
@@spread4me75 that's why I said average wins per season. I'd expect him to race beyond exactly 30 years old too on top of that. I just picked a nice even 10 years for that number. If he races longer, he doesn't need as high of an average win count per season
Before you take McGraths record just remember theres a lot of young talent coming up every year. Say what you want but RC is and will always be the GOAT!!!!!!
Sorry but Rc will have to relinquish the GOAT status
What young talent? There's nobody in the pipeline right now that's going to be a problem for Jett. The next comparable guy might not even be on a bike yet.
Jett said his goal is to beat McGrath's record. What other goal should he set for himself? Saying his goal is to win an SX title is selling himself short. He's already basically won everything there is to win besides a 450SX title and it looks like he's going to get that in a couple weeks. The kid is setting his sights on being the best ever. With his resumè that's pretty reasonable.
Des nations
@MARCHOFTHESAS He won his class at MXoN his first year on a 450. That's all that's in his power.
Haha the Drake mention is hilarious!
Being an American I do believe we should support our Americans, but at the same time I love competition and I have loved watching Jett from his first season here in the states. Still supporting Jett to this day! 🤘🏼🔥 Jett for President
Nationalist are dangerous people
You should support all riders as a whole because they are the ones out there risking their lives every day for your entertainment and most of them aren’t getting paid very much money. It’s ofcourse fine to have a favorite rider, but nobody should hate or disrespect any of these guys.
@@davidbiagi2932 I agree 100%, I obviously don’t hate anyone but I might show a little favoritism to the red white and blue 😂. I was a huge fan of Davalos still big fan of Dean Wilson. I was never a big fan of Ricky because I grew up in the McGrath era. 🤘🏼🔥
Jett rides like JS7 he just always is faster then everyone no one passes him and pulls away from him, everything he’s raced in hes won
Sx 450✅
Mx 450 ✅ - didn’t lose a race!
SMX 450✅
Mxon 450 overall best rider ✅
All on hes first ride on a 450
Stop the hate and appreciate would you Americans are witnessing
"Jett - king of MX, terror of SX, fantasy of the Haters, light of the world! -Yew!!!
It's impossible to really compare these guys. Different times, different tracks, different competition. Look at this year....The tracks this year are significantly less technical without the dragons back and less whoops and this has created most races to be single line races which causes the race to be mostly what it is in the first few turns. Look at how there's a much higher focus on qualifying position for gate pick. Didn't use to be so important because someone like Tomac could start in 19th and still win because the tracks really separated everyone.
Even if he doesnt break the record he will definitely be the highest earner in sx and mx history plus McGrath was a sx specialist Jett is elite at both formats at just 20 years old 😂😂😂
Yep exactly , he can do it all, Jett is the best MX rider on the Planet even Herlings says so
It’s wild to me if you love the sport or whatever. How can you not see Jett ride and think?! Kids a freak! I seen him ride way back in a mxgp emx 250 race. I thought this kids got some serious talent!!! He just needs lil work and harness all that. You can’t say he don’t have talent if you know anything about moto lol I said it when they announced he’s coming over with his brother. He’s gonna change it forever lol him and hunter there’s a lot of lil things you don’t see on tv or if they slow it down you can catch these crazy lil things they do most ppl don’t even notice lol
You're a real life Nostradamus lol
In regards to the Jett hate, that's America for ya.
I appreciate that drake line. I like your videos.
After the '09 season Stewart looked like a lock to break the record. How did that go? Its ridiculous to even talk about it at this point
As with many others. It's just crazy to even think about let alone talk about those achievements this early.
i agree with what both of you said, it’s too early, he will get injured, may miss some races, maybe a whole season, who knows but it’s too early to predict this stuff
Why did Stewart look like was going to lock in the record after the ’09 season?
@BenWilson24 he had something like 40+ SX wins at only 24yrs old and was knocking out 10+ win seasons.
@@chrisbuehler6868 it was 36 premier class wins, but he had nearly entire seasons on the sidelines because he was checkers or wreckers. He won 3 in his rookie season against what was the most serious competition he had for a while. Jett is handling right now the guys that will be his biggest competition for some time. Once tomac and Webb retire, it's just sexton for a bit until maybe some of the younger guys step it up
If he didn't have goals for his career Honda would have second thoughts about keeping him around and no other team would touch him.
His goals are not out of line. If he said " I just want to make it on the box" that would be disapointing to his fans.
Me thinks Jorge P is the only cat alive that will take it to Jetson
This has got to be the most realistic comment I’ve heard when it comes to someone taking it to Jett. JP is a beast and if goes to the US it will be the Jorge Jett show.
Prado could probably beat him a few rounds outdoors. It's going to take him a long time to be a competitor in SX.
@@seanhaberman4619 I believe your right, seems like JP is also keen for SX. And it turns out that they could be future brother in laws
@@davodinkum3360jett isn’t dating Pedro’s sister anymore, he has a new girl
Outdoor maybe but definitely not Supercross
I can't wait for Deacon to kick. Everybody's a** in the outdoor 250 season this year......
It's not going to happen. Levi and Tom are both riding substantially better than him. Plus Jo Shimoda is starting to get comfortable on the Honda, and he can beat anybody when he's on his game.
Deegan will probably finish 3rd in the outdoors title.
Jett is a stud and all the respect for the guy but the Ando confrontation did not sit well with a lot of people.
...but why? Most of the other riders have had heavy words with each other, so why was THAT incident so damning in people's eyes?
@@TheShepdawg9 It was so early in the season. Ando was totally fine leaving it on the track but Jett called him over and eventually put his hands on him like he was gona push him around. Anderson is a vet show a little respect. Just looked bad in a lot of people's eyes. After that race Jett got a lot of boos.
@abewise2939 ...but all of the greats have done that at some point? Americans just can't handle that they're getting their butts kicked
Ever heard of testosterone?
@@abewise2939yeah, and deservedly so, don’t mess with the vets early onto your career, especially barcia and anderson
The record will never be broken simple as that
Hahah yeah right! You’re such a goon. Stay off the internet.
didn’t know ufc stipe miocic was so in to supercross
I hope Jett beats McGraths record. Firstly for himself after the hard work has been done he deserves the rewards of accomplishing his goal. Secondly to stick it to all the yanks who are hating on him for saying it was a goal he set for himself and treatiing him like he was being disrespectful for wanting to try and do it.🇦🇺👍👊
Of course, anything is possible.
Speaking to the phone so it's not spelling correctly. I said Show
Kitchen vs Jett for next 10 years
3:30 Said what?
I’m ready to se kitchen move to 450 i thi j he might give him a challenge in the future
It’s possible but it’s a hard record to get to with possible injuries, a bad bike, or the next fastest kid on the block always around the corner. Can he average 10 wins a season for 7 years every year? Or 7 wins for a decade? That’s what it takes. It within reach but It wouldn’t be a good bet lol
Mcgrath missed a couple mx seasons the last couple of years of his career, only focusing on SX. I wonder what Jett will do.
If healthy, he’s going to destroy that record and it’ll be worth way more due to the fact Jett is going up against way tougher competition. Jett would lap McGrath on a 250 even in his prime. Jett is a freak. Has 7 speed but doesn’t crash.
never beating 72 , sure he can try
It’s not his riding it’s his words man 😂
Sure depends on one thing. Prado, maybe Deegan, and be able to stay healthy. It is to early to say, when he is literally there if all of the above falls in his favor, yes he could. As of him as a rider to have the gifts to be able to, yes he have, so did Stewart. There is simply to many variabels to take into the consideration.
Not an easy goal he put on himself, But dont sleep on the upcoming riders and dont sleep on Jett. Time will tell.
No, he could have a ton of wins but 72 is bananas and I think the level of competition is so much higher now that it won’t be possible unless he rides and wins into his late 30s or so. Just my opinion though
The kid is fast with exceptional talent. Anyone saying otherwise is just being foolish.
I disagree with your Jett-Eli relate to statement. I can relate to both.
Well it looks like none of the current pack can run with him. Who's on deck, Deegan may knock him off the top box?
I'm a deegan fan but unless he locks up the MX title, smx title and crushes SX,MX and smx next season, it's looking like he isn't going to be the guy to challenge jett.
Jetts only going to get better unless he gets injured. By the time deegan moves up jett will have multiple 450 titles.
22 and 0 in he’s rookie season,there’s only two which have done that and where do they rate in greatness in this sport.. I know it’s motocross and not supercross but the said two were fucking very very good at supercross just saying
He’s has every chance and the right to dream and say he could knock off 72 wins in supercross
The other two didn't do it in their rookie season though right?
@@jpdprophotography6693 not 100% sure but I think you’re correct and did either RC or JS7 do it in supercross?
@scottmitchell6344 not sure about the SX but they were the other two in moto.
Haters are gonna hate
McGrath is the king
Yeah right! RC smoked him every race after his second year and Villopoto would absolutely demolish McGrath. Wouldn’t even be close.
Till someone breaks the record it's his
@Josh-py2pq get your facts straight it took RC 3 years for Carmichael to get it together his rookie year was 1999 all he did was crash his first two years meanwhile McGrath was still winning....when Ricky figured it McGrath was at the decline/ twilight of his career. Put RC and McGrath in their prime against each other McGrath will win sx and rc will win mx ....I grew up in the 90s watched it all go down
Regardless of all the comments, put jett on a old 250 2 smoke and he smokes prime MC 10000000%
100%. Jett would beat him on a 250 today and most likely lap him.
Jett is already 21st all time 450 outdoor wins. If he wins 5 more outdoors he will be 15th. Jett is 28th all time 450 supercross. If he wins last 2 races he will be 25th.
He is only 20.....plenty of time to break records. Not to mention the other top guys are pushing 30. Sexton hasnt been able to beat him straight up.
All it takes is 1 bad crash just ask Roczen
Didn't it take Jet 3 years to w8n his first championship!!??
He won his 2nd outdoor season.
no
If his competitors had his goals, ambition and dedication they'd probably do a whole lot better.
Tall Poppy Syndrome at its worst.
That's a big NO .
I think people took offense to him saying he's going to beat MC 72 wins before he had even raced won Supercross or had a season under his belt
He didn't say he was going to. He said that's his goal. There's a big difference.
@@seanhaberman4619 Actually he said he wanted to get close to the record. That what I heard, and nobody yet has produced a clip of him saying otherwise
Well, he actually didn't tick all the boxes at the time he was being asked to defend those statements. Statements that I'm sure the media made first. Then, forced him to defend. Either way, the box that hadn't been ticked was, according to Fowler, Jett had yet to win a single 450 Supercross main at the beginning of this series. How many 250 Supercross title winners have we had that never won a big bike main, let alone a championship? So, two 250 SX titles have never been a sure indicator of much of anything in the 450 class. Truth is, at that time, Jett was not at all on track to keep pace with Jeremy. And you guys made him look like a fool by simply mentioning his name with Jeremy's. And right now, he's still at least 60 win away. And you guys are here trying to say you were right? Come on, guys. There's so many more things going on in the sport than hypotheticals. I mean, today, Eli is still more likely to reach the 72 wins than Jett is. Let me know when Jett gets in the top 5 of all time, SX wins. Then, it might be time to speculate about becoming the King. Here's a fact for you guys...thirty years of Supercross before McGrath. And nearly twenty-five years after McGrath, no one is even close.
You seem a little upset. I didn't see anyone saying they're 'right.' People are just saying it's not unrealistic. It's really not. A huge hill to climb, sure, but if he races for exactly 10 seasons to retire at 30, he needs to average 7.2 wins per season. He's at 7 with two rounds left in his rookie season. Most riders peak in their late 20s.
@@BenWilson24 I know what I heard. And all your calculations add up to a guy that still needs 10X the wins that he has, to be two races short of being the king. Sure, it's possible Jett could get there. But history tells us his chances are very very slim. But my point was, Jett was set up by the media. They rationalized their speculations using the same math you tried to use. But they know as well as I do, that math rarely works in this sport. Especially when you add it all up before the rider takes the first gate drop of their rookie season. It will be years before Jett will even break into second place. When he does, he'll still need to win 25 more races. Jase is rooting for his countryman. I get that. Fowler is straight up full of sh&t, though. His type of rhetoric is one of the main reasons Jett has been getting booed by the fans. There is no combination or amount of words or calculations of, if this, than that, that will make Jett anything more than what Jett makes of himself.
You're surely not this stupid. 'Eli is more likely to reach 73 than Jett'. That is statistically and objectively incorrect. There is zero chance that Eli wins another 20-odd supercross races. There IS a small chance that Jett reaches 73. However, it's obviously still unlikely.
@@bmotomo421 I'm sorry they hurt you, but nobody is touting that it is certain to happen. Some are just saying it's on track, which we don't typically see. I'm curious where you heard what you claim you heard lol. Sure, I used similar math because it's a pretty simple forecast to draw up. Fowler also didn't say anything more than what I said - he's on track, but it's early. 7.2 wins on average is what he needs per season. You're throwing up that his current rate puts him low at 7, but it's like you don't know what an average is... he's as close as he can possibly be to on track. If he wins another this season, are you going to say it puts him at 80 wins? I wouldn't. There is an average he needs to maintain - that's all. The numbers can go above and below that from year to year. Just relax. I'm sorry the discussion makes you sad
@BenWilson24 Back to the math is all you got? You're going to need to do better than that to keep up in this conversation. Please re-read my last comment to you. Then, if you feel the need to respond, respond appropriately.
Never gonna happen to much moñey to many women to many parties the down fall is coming
Nope
man.... let people talk more! Always cutting them off :(
Taking nothing away from Jett's skills he's had some luck. In 250 his rivals kept getting injured. J-Mart actually won more races than Jett Outdoors jcomparing the races where they were both at not counting the races J-Mart missed after getting hurt. Same thing indoors Austin Forkner kept getting injured one time Jett cause the injury by cross jumping after snagging a tough block. His other biggest rival being his brother but he felt comfortable racing next to him unlike J-Mart Austin & Dylan what cause Jett to ride over his head (something we really haven't seen on the 450 except for the One race Kenny raced him Outdoors last year)
Are you honestly trying to compare Jett’s rookie season as a pro outdoors to JMarts 7th in 2020? That’s reaching lol
Sexton tried to push him the entire outdoor season and he didn't come close. People like you forget that sexton is elite
@@TheShepdawg9 I was talking 250s
@@ChrisBellefleur get off his D I wasn't comparing & said nothing negative about Jett. They were talking about how he won every 250 championship he tried
Who cares if forkner is fast when can’t even complete a season.
Hunter not doing interviews is even more bizarre. Like he's done anything is wild to me. He has the last name Lawrence so he's riding his lil bros tails and not sticking around or coming on pulp? I hope Steve remembers these clowns when the 9 th isn't good enough and Steve's all booked sorry mate. Rides aren't around long for 8th place on factory hrc
Why do you care so much about interviews? Gee you're weird. It's not like they ever tell us anything of value.
@@TheShepdawg9 I don't care about the interviews because I don't like the Lawrence's and would rather not hear them speak but the country of Australia and his legion of fans feel a little different
@zee.___moose941 ...Australians don't care to hear from them at all, because we're not weirdos that think interviews are important. It's not like riders ever say anything insightful. 'Yeah the bikes working really good, the teams doing a great job, I'm trying to get the win...' wow. Thanks.
Regarding Jett’s 72 comment. Clinton isn’t factoring in that the negativity about that comment isn’t the only reason Jets got some blowback. His Baby Gift to Ken. His , if I’d have wanted to take Webb, I could have but I was being nice. His pay per view fan club for the wealthy. His Rolls Royce, symbolic of, I’m the king. Then saying he’s coming after tbe king. There’s more, but you get the point, he appears to be on the egotistical side.
I get it. I was like that as a kid too. But Clinton, words are also “ data “. They can be used against you in court. Words add up and enough of them can tell a story.
His words also tell me he’s a good kid that’s got some maturing to go through.
thats a strange take for sure. He never said "he was coming after the King" STAR has the same fan club for the same price. And only you think a car is symbol of a King
Highlights what Clinton said lol people were looking for something to hate on Jett and they had to shut their mouths for so long , So some dicks got exited booing at their first chance lol
You fools saying jett is better then mcgrath is a joke you have no idea what your talking about mcgrath had a 1998 carburator two stroke with primitive suspension compared to fuel injected 450s thats the difference
Jett is way better than MC, sorry
@@LetBrockBye 😂😂 shows your level of education 👍
going against equal bikes to which you describe , are you mentally deficient?
No, Jett will never beat Jeremy's record. He doesn't have the talent or the time.
What? Doesn't have the talent? He's the most talented rider we've seen since Stew.
As for time, if he wins 8 races a year for the next 8 years he will tie MC. It probably won't even take him that long since he will probably have a few seasons where he wins a lot more than 8 mains.
Jett walks around and Acts like he has 4 450 titles. It's weird and puts a lot of people off . Be humble and let the riding do the talking,but jetts too good for interviews as short as they are. Chase threw 8 wins away and sat there and talked to every media outlet until nobody was left. Americans are the best let's keep it a buck
Thanks for the laugh
...Americans are the best? At what? Cause it's certainly not motocross. How on earth do you 'walk around like you have 4 titles'? Stewart acted like an idiot for the whole start of his career, only becoming humble once Carmichael spanked him.
Americans are the best at THINKING there the best 😂
@@TheShepdawg9 were the best at life. If Jett got a fourth you wouldn't see him for a month and he'd throw his little sissy fit 😂 boo hoo mate. USA USA USA we just mxdn like 2 years ago Australia has never won don't go down that road you guys have sucked since the beginning of time
@@TheShepdawg9 he doesn't do interviews Like he's Ryan villopoto . Your a rookie it's your job go do em. Ask pulp about dealing with the Lawrence bois
*IT'S TOO EARLY **#Reed**(⁴⁴)* won 8 of 16 races losing the championship to RC
*#Jett**(⁷)* has won 7 of 15 (with 2 left 1 more than Reed had in 03)
*#Stewart**(⁵⁰)* won 3 his rookie year (do the injury) won 8 of 16 the following year losing the championship to RC
*#RC**(⁴⁸)* didn't win a single race his rookie year 99. Won 1 race the following year 00. Then won 14 of 16 races & the championship in 01
*#RV**(⁴¹)* won 2 races his rookie year. Then won 7 of 14 the following year (missing the last 3 due to injury) coming back & winning 6 of 17 & the title in 2011
*#Eli** (⁵²)* didn't win a single race his rookie year 2014 (do to injury) won 3 races the following year 2015. Won 1 race in 2016 (coming back from MX injury) then won 9 of 17 races in 2017 his most in one season losing the title to Dungey
*#Dungey**(³⁴)* won 6 of 17 & the title his rookie year but (Reed & Stewart were out) only winning 1 race the following year 2 the next year, 2 the following year, only 1 year after that. Then won 8 in 2015 (with RV & Stewart retired & Reed coming back from injury)
*#McGrath**(⁷²) won 10 of 16 & the title his rookie year*
...so he's actually quite on track. He'll potentially have 9 in his first year. It's not a race to 10 wins
@@TheShepdawg9 10 wins in a season isn't the record so I don't know what you're talking about
@@CaddyJim no. I'm saying jett is well on the way if he's going to have 9 in the first season.
@@TheShepdawg9 we'll see he has two more chances to win races.. as I pointed out read another Australian won 8 & there were only 16 rounds not 17 like today and he was racing against the goat
HEY STAT DORK, HOW MANY WINS YOU THINK TOMAC MIGHT HAVE IF DUNGEY WAS NEVER BORN? LOL
Ridiculous comment!
How many SX wins do you think Jet would have if Tomac, Coop, Ando, Kenny etc etc weren’t born!
🤡🤡🤡
Gee this is dumb
Jett iscawesome and going to beat every record except Ricky Carmichael