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- čas přidán 5. 05. 2024
- Clinton Fowler & Gypsy Tales debate weather radio communication in supercross can be an awesome addition to the sport.
My guest today is Clinton Fowler, the man behind the fantastic statistics that you hear each and every weekend on the Supercross broadcast as well as the fantastic online resource wewentfast.com and his own instagram @fowlerfacts. Clinton gave up his high-paying job at Microsoft developing the XBox to work in the action sports world with Red Bull and wound up developing the sports first detailed database almost on accident. I am a big storylines guy in the sport and no matter what story you throw Clintons way, he has a stat to either back it up or shoot you down. This was a highly enjoyable episode of the podcast with an extremely interesting and knowledgeable guy!
If you enjoyed the stats side of this show, you can sign up to wewentfast.com to get access to Fowlers great database and a ton of unique stories that I doubt you have ever heard!
I’m all for it, but I think we should just record the racers. Remember a few years ago after the race with Eli and Justin exchanging those heated words, that’s all my feed would let me watch and it definitely built up the hype for the next races. But I draw the line and letting mechanics and racers communicate. Racing is supposed to be raw, telling a rider to “go inside” or “jump the whoops this lap” will just kill it for me! Let them race! ✊🤘
I think this would be awesome to see implemented and would be fun to hear the comms as a fan!
This episode gave me chills.
We need this soo bad.
Thank you for being the voice to bring this into the sport.
Unpopular opinion apparently, I'm not for the comms. I'm in favor of one-way communication for safety reasons that would be strictly from officials. Telling the riders there's a red cross flag or something like that I understand and for that sake I support.
I don't like the idea of communications with the team during the entire race. I don't like the idea of the team being able to say, "He's coming behind you, take the inside line" "Oh, now he's going to try and pass you on the right".
Part of what I enjoy so much about SX/MX racing is that when push comes to shove it comes down to the rider. Yes, they have support on their bike with the teams and I'm not discounting that but it's not a team sport. MX is an individual sport and the rider either wins or not based on their own ability on the track. Part of that talent is being able to adapt to situations and plan your moves accordingly. I think team communications takes that element of talent away from the riders. I don't know how else to say it and it's probably the wrong word, but it removes the "purity" of racing.
Im with you except id like to hear riders and team members micd up so we can catch the raw emotions atleast not necessarily communicating. But im also for having gopros not helmet mount but chest mounts or bar mount. That type of raw footage for a heater lap in qualifying or get the 1pv from the guy trying to make a move on someone ahead
@@superegghead13 the conversations parts could be done. I've worked on TV production crews before and it could be recorded by the production. As for GoPros I think it sucks to not have them anymore. Not being allowed to mount on helmets is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.
@@xlankex its just not worth it for the additional risk of neck injury chest mounts are inherently less risky when used over a chest protector
@@superegghead13 I don't see how they are any more dangerous than a visor. I haven't seen any studies that indicate a correlation between a helmet mounted GoPro and neck injuries. At best we have one off incidents where someone happened to have a helmet mounted camera, which is coincidental at best. We also have what must be thousands of crashes with helmet mounted cameras and without neck injuries. I just don't buy it. There are also neck injuries without helmet cams too. I need to see some data before I'm convinced.
I've tried to get my wife interested. I'm 46, we're pretty "well adjusted" at this point, lol, I told her she'd probably find some of the guys hot. She got into F1 big time, maybe more than me at her prime, but their constant shenanigans soured us both on the sport a few years ago and haven't gone back.
Yh you don’t even have to have communication, just have these guys micd up, that includes mechanics and the team in the watch tower etc… so much potential in that
@Mason-fj5dh Yup. That would bring enough drama without forcing the rider to listen to distracting messages. And keep from putting a cloud over the races in terms of legitimacy. Unfortunately, the coms idea is likely being forced upon the sport by the network. RC and RV made a point to mention it on their podcast. Right after the very mysterious finish line, jump debacle. Now Fowler is saying it's inevitable. They'll sell it as a benefit to the riders in regard to their safety. And then sell it to the fans by telling them they'll be more involved than ever before. The most likely reason, though, is to gain even more control of the races. Basically, giving them the ability to adjust how the race plays out. And to manufacture drama for the broadcast. Which doesn't really make sense if the sport is as bad ass as we think it is. By the way, why do you guys feel such a need to compare moto with F1? Driving and riding are not at all comparable. Anyway, a lot like in NASCAR. Where week after week, they mysteriously get a yellow caution flag with 6 or 7 laps remaining in the race. It's never one of the front runners who cause it. Always a back marker. My prediction, if coms are implemented, we'll see more restarts than ever before. As well as more unexplainable incidents like the finish line jump thing. Which we have yet to see more than one camera angle of. Even though it was filmed from a few more angles. But it just so happens to be the incident that brought on the coms conversation. #getoutyourtinfoilhats
They definitely need to do this
It will make "Race craft "a thing of the past? Managers will control the Riders! It will Destroy The Beauty of Our sport!
Adding the ability to talk to the riders with the current new gambling on the races is a fast track to the demise of the sport.
Alan Roe used radio comms in the 1988 Finke Desert Race, which Alan won. Rider comms were banned from 1989 onwards.
Would help with back markers and general cautions so it would be a good idea
Audio would be great to expend the connection with the audience
I think moto is so different than other motor sports like nascar or F1. There's so much going on in super and motocross, with the ruts, jumps, braking bumps and everything in between the amount of concentration it requires for the pros at this level where a .5 a second is a lifetime is insane. Even if they have designated areas where they'll talk to their guy I still feel like it would be a distraction, even the slightest lapse in concentration can be that .5 second difference. I think it's cool from a spectator standpoint but I bet 90% riders would hate it, just my thought.
Honestly comms are a good thing for the viewer, if you go back and watch last years Yamahas Beyond the gate for Detroit , it gives a little snippet of the team comms with deegs and smittys little cat and mouse game. That was just a little hint of in house drama
It should only open in like a “pit ally” in the straight away where the pit boards are now is the only straight the mechanics can say anything.
I had some experience with communications during my car racing days.. My dad was on the pit/stand end. Not a talker, which was fine. When he did it, was a huge distraction whilst pulling 4 G's in a downhill sweeper at 120+ mph. He could not see me. Waste of money for me. I think being mic'd up for fun would be great. F-bombs all day, with zero back talk.
I think it would hamper racing. The dynamic changes and would take away from the riders instincts. If it could be done in a way to ONLY be used for alerting riders of red flags or blue flags, maybe that would be a good thing. But i guarantee very few riders want to talk to or take advice from someone looking out above. Leave the racing to the riders.
Brilliant
I really think it could help for bad crashes. How ever it would just create a possible conflict with the team saying do this do that. I’m sure it affect the mental confidence in the riders and make them second guess what they are doing, they will just end up feeling like I’m not riding my race.
Would make others so reliant on the spotters their riding style and confidence would change. Most definitely just cause arguments in the pits amongst the riders, mechanics and spotters. Just who ever is out the telling him how to race his race. A lot of blaming will happen, and some of these guys already blame there bike and mechanic when they just didn’t have a good race🤷🏻♂️ 1:31
This will change more than you think.
Also on board cameras
Imagine If JLaw and Villapoto had mics in their heltmets that day😂
helmet cam would be pretty cool
There was zero debrief after Alessi was the only one to do it at the last monster cup. Feel like we missed an opportunity to hear the positives and negatives.
idk man all we r going to get is oh they r doing this line then the track is going to be even more 1 lined if everyone is going to go to the fastest line/combo
As a rider- i dont need a back seat driver, lol
I know they don't do it in MotoGP because the riders already have so much going on. I think it's the same for MX/SX. Formula 1, I know they have a lot going on too, but they are sitting down after all. It's not comparable to two-wheeled racing.
Great, so now the riders not only have to do the most difficult demanding job in sports but now they have to censor themselves while doing that job. No extra stress or pressure there.
Good luck being able to hear your spotter in a pack of riders or when the throttle’s wide open
Just time it in the air
You think a single cylinder 450 is louder than a F1 race car, surrounded by other race cars driving full out??
What about a 1000hp screaming trophy truck?
They all have coms and have no problem hearing each other.
I ride with earbuds in sometimes and can easily hear them over the bike.
Thank you Charlie
Yea why dont are intros have a few race spots over history, a few fights, a few emotional sportsmanship moments, a few devastation moments and the sound bites, just in are intros!!!! Yea NBC talking to yea all
Business destroyed Indy cars,Nascar, etc etc! They have already taken the Whoops, Dragon backs! If it's Safe? It's not interesting or Hard!
I think it would take away from the really aware riders, someone noticing a rider take a triple or jump the wall rather than not noticing it. The radio would just tell everyone what is faster. Just a thought
Only for safety
Team to rider coms yes ok... But for the crowd to be be listening in on team tactics.. leave it alone..
Don’t really think there is a place for it, maybe later but not top priority of a change imo.. like is every rider even recorded at each time? Sometimes they don’t even get every crash on camera .. like if you wanted to watch 1 rider you could pick that instead of the general broadcast and maybe have them on a microphone
It would make things a lot more PC. Therfore, I don't want it.
No please
With in Ear Comms. Deano moves out of the way and Kenny beats Coop. And takes that title. It all went downhill after that.
Yeah, just imagine all the fines the riders would get now. It’s already a joke what they get fine for and now they can’t even mumble a cuss word under their helmet lol
Most guys wear ear plugs because the bikes are too loud. Helmet comms wouldnt work well until the bikes get quieter. Definitely when mx/sx goes full electric.
Not going electric any time soon
How did they manage in v10 F1 cars and NASCAR then?
And bring moto back to high schools, now everyone could be involved.
That opinion is only $3.00
I'm completely against comms. For improvement, how about more racing? Supercross needs two motos.
I don't think it'll work the same way as auto racing. How are these guys going to be able to push a button while ripping through the whoops let alone talk while also having a heart rate of 180+? But them having coms to communicate red cross flags would definitely better the sport
like this comment if you think riders should wear a heart rate monitor that can be pulled up by the broadcast
To grow an audience it would work, at the expense of rider safety. They would have to pre record the racing also due to vulgaritys. Wanna grow the sport, put in a womans class.
MMA has audio between rounds.
Hellllllllll no. Completely takes the race craft away having someone tell you what lines to cover or what other guys are doing to catch you. Maybe a 1 way comm from the race directors to relay cautions or red flags is the only thing I’d be down for. I like the podcasts but your takes on the sport are pretty trash.
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This idea fuckin blows. Neeext
I’m just here to comment something stupid without watching the video
Yeah we don't need nascar, I already quit watching that crap 15 years ago
Sorry you guys are just wrong
So you want to take away from the rider backing off and letting the hunter become the hunted, and figure out his lines.. now you want the sidelines to be in the riders head with his race craft and strategy.. if it can't be communicated on the pit boards too bad.. stop trying to turn this into a circus
It would be a bad thing in my opinion! What's next pit stops? Stop comparing this sport to others there not the same!
There's Zero down side to it
Dude literally stop being a baby. Some things are ok to progress. More good trade offs than bad ones without it.
Rider goes down on the backside of a landing the others can be warned…could end up saving a life one day
Imagine a lapper about to down 2 laps being told to move so they don't get jumped on ir hold up guys racing.
They should use it for flags lap times and spread and that's it