I'm Deliberately Burning In My QD-OLED Monitor - 1 Month Update
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00:00 - Intro, Specs, Design
02:19 - The Burn In Test Conditions Explained
05:12 - Burn In So Far, 1 Month Update
06:00 - Thoughts Using a 4K QD-OLED Monitor for Productivity
I'm Deliberately Burning In My QD-OLED Monitor - 1 Month Update
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Remember to check the color accuracy every now and then, so we'll see the rate of aging of the normal maybe-not-burned-in pixels too, and not just the taskbar and icons' ones.
Plus the drop in brightness. Thanks.
I've been following Rtings tests and it doesn't seem like the OLEDs they've been testing lose brightness any quicker than many LED TVs. Personally I've had my LG C1 since launch, have about 5000 hours on it and no perceived brightness loss.
@@mattbouwmeester455Well 5000 hours isn't enough and that's the problem with OLEDs they haven't been out long enough to get such data. My third monitor is an Eizo ev2736w and the usage time in the menu has maxed out at 65535 hours at this point, and yet there are zero dead pixels and no color or brightness issues at all. Until OLED or another new tech can achieve this it will forever be a beta anti-consumer product.
Does OLED lose brightness and color?
I don't think that does too much on QD-Oled since all LEDs are the same and colour only gets converted by quantum dots, which do not age.
Thanks for that test, Tim. The biggestreason why I don't want to go near an OLED is because I'm on the desktop 99.5% of the time and I absolutely hate hiding the taskbar. So, yeah, thanks for taking one on the team.
Okey but this is still more of a non-scientific experiment than any hard proof. Just because he gets or doesn’t gets burn-in won’t mean that you will or won’t.
For example he might be using lots of white static elements while you prefer dark ones , that alone makes a big difference that might lead him to burn in while you won’t any.
He might be using it for more hours than you , that might lead to burn in while you wouldn’t , he might be turning down Oled care features that you wouldn’t mind having fully enabled (for example in my LG C3 42 that I used as of monitor , I have all the features fully enabled because I don’t mind them one bit , while some people even buys special factory controllers to disable even the ones that aren’t optional.
So that might lead him to burn it , that you won’t get.
But it might also be the other way around.
He edits video , so while he does have static elements, his screen might be much more dynamic every day than yours is, so you might get burn it while he doesn’t.
He tweaked the settings to 200 nits while you might have a brighter room and have the monitor running as bright as it is capable of going , wich most people does with their monitors. That also might lead you to burn in that he won’t get. His type of static elements might wildly vary from your type of static elements. Going back to video editing , it’s not the same to have a dark taskbar , and some dark grey tool bars as static elements, that let’s say, having A full screen white sheet with excell or Email or Microsoft word or any office app that is basically a big white sheet , during 8 hours a day. Producing full screen burning.
While he wouldn’t get that.
Or maybe neither of you get any burn-in regardless of what you do , because Oled has become quite safe , and unless you run them through R-Tings torture tests they seem to hold just fine.
But my point is that his results won’t be representative for you, for the good or for the bad.
Your best indicative are forums , on Reddit for example.
If the majority of people aren’t having issues , it’s likely to be safe.
Otherwise, it’s likely a risk
You could run two displays with the OLED as a secondary in windows, the taskbar will be on the other monitor and always accessible. I have found this to be the best compromise as many games can be configured to run by default on the secondary display.
You can just make it pop up every time your cursor comes near the bottom. It's actually no issue at all.
An oled display is nice to have if you only use it as a secondary or tertiary monitor. I have a c2 as my third monitor and only turn it on when I want to play a game or watch something.
@DraconicA5 I got it as the main monitor. I don't have to work on my PC anymore, so I use it only for games and movies. So, the G8 Odyssey was the ideal choice.
Great job Tim! 8 hours a day is my use case, as well as 80% productivity and 20% gaming... so I'm VERY interested in the test you're running. Thank you so much!!!
For 8 hours a day i wouldnt go for oled
I know. Still, I'm curious to know how much you can "torment" the new OLEDs before incurring burn-in: I wouldn't use it as I use my IPS obviously, but if it were to be durable enough (let's say 1 year of max stress use without burn-in) it would mean that with all the attention it can last at least 3 years, which is my wish@@FrankOnline007
@@FrankOnline007being able to afford oled is good enough for some people to buy it
I have been using one of my QD OLEDs everyday for work for over a year now. I work for 40-60 hours per week on it and game 5-10 hours per week on it. After a year I purchased a second one when I saw it on sale. I haven’t taken any special care of it, I already used dark mode but I haven’t hidden my taskbar or changed my background, I haven’t changed any settings on the monitor, I know it does pixel refreshes but not sure how often.
After over one year I am pleased to say I have zero burn in. People are way too stressed about this in my opinion. I guess we will see in an another year or two.
@jakevanoostrum622 i do understand what you're saying, but im expecting my monitor to last at least 5 years. Especially for the prices. wouldnt trust oled with that much strain for so long. But i am stressed about it indeed.
I've been using my G8 Oled for over 12months now. A mix of gaming and browsing the web/you tube etc. for 12+hrs a day and still loving it with no signs of any problems.
All my oled screens in phones suffered of burn in 1-2 years later if used on maximum brightness. Not really sure how this would affect a 200nits screen setting as 200nits is relativelly low for a oled. I doubt you going to have a issue at that level maybe at 400nits yes.
@@spawntohell Just pure BS. I had 10+ OLED phones and 5+ OLED TVs running at full brightness and never seen burn-in yet.
@spawntohell im not sure what you re doing to your phones, but ive had an amoled phone used and abused for 7 years with no burn in
same my average on time is super high for my LG C1 i have thousands of hours and its still perfect
@@Dr.WhetFarts my s22 ultra has terrible burn in after about 10 months, my alienware DWF doesn't as far as i can see and I've had it for 8+ months
Thanks for taking one for the team!
It was the only way to get rid of Molly.
it's his job. like LITERALLY he gets paid to do this
It's still nice of him :) @@a36538
@@a36538you do know that’s not a serious comment right?
Hes not even taking one for the team. He only had it on for 250 hours. This test is useless
Loving this idea, Tim!
I'm looking forward to continued results. Keep up the good work.
Such a good Idea, I love how you set up the experiment. Already very excited to watch the 6 months / 1 year update
I’ve been using my OLED ultrawide 3423DW since August 2022. Use it daily for gaming, browsing and side by side document reviewing for work. Up to 9 hrs a day for work.
I use dark mode generally as I hate light mode.
No burn in yet.
Sometimes I’ve walked away whilst gaming. Pause the game and walk off. Forget it’s running. Come back hours later to a static image just sitting there. No burn in.
Been pretty impressed so far.
Any brightness loss?
I guess it's hard to test without hardware
Same with my Samsung Oled G8 with the same panel 👍🏻
What do you guys think of the lg ultra gear OLED? Same burn in resistance?
I bought mine around the same time, and I've started to notice burn ins about a month ago. It's not too bad or distracting, but it's there. I'd say I mostly use it for web browsing and occasional gaming, something like 30/70.
I have been using one of my QD OLEDs everyday for work for over a year now. I work for 40-60 hours per week on it and game 5-10 hours per week on it. After a year I purchased a second one when I saw it on sale. I haven’t taken any special care of it, I already used dark mode but I haven’t hidden my taskbar or changed my background, I haven’t changed any settings on the monitor, I know it does pixel refreshes but not sure how often.
After over one year I am pleased to say I have zero burn in. People are way too stressed about this in my opinion. I guess we will see in an another year or two.
Awesome, what a great idea and looking forward to the future updates
So excited to see the future updates on this , and great to see you doing this test!! So many of us are considering OLED but we also need to use it for productivity, this series will greatly help me on deciding..
excelent - liked a lot of your points of view and comments on small details - this is the kind of content the we need regarding this burn in issue
Fantastic idea for a video series, since this is almost the exact usage scenario I'm looking at (70% productivity, 30% gaming). Subscribed to follow your monthly updates!
This is a valuable piece of research, thank you for taking one for the team!
Not done right when he is using a pixel refresh feature an LCD doesn't need.
@robertlawrence9000 Why is it not done right? He is simulating the typical real world usage of the monitor. The way most oled monitor owners would use them. With pixel refresh feature turned on.
@@alihms Well the title says, "I'm Deliberately Burning In My QD-OLED Monitor" but he's not. He's using non traditional screen saving features still. When I own a monitor I would use as my main screen, it may be on several days straight without being turned off. Just like the LCD monitor I have today that I have had for 10 years and no issues. I let it run CZcams with all of the PC borders showing when I am not interacting much other than watching from a distance or have in playing in the background when I am doing stuff around my house.
@@robertlawrence9000 @robertlawrence9000 I agree the title is misleading. But the test is representative of typical PC users. Very few oled users leave their monitors on continuously for days like in your case.
I have a LG C2 42" for about 1,5 years now. I changed the color to HGiG and OLED-Light (brightness) to 85. I also use it with the game optimizer-mode and HDR. I haven't touched any other settings like Pixel-Shift (which is enabled) and it goes to "sleep" after 10min. I also turn it off via remote every night when I go to bed, just like I shut down my PC.
The taskbar is set at defualt, so it is always visible and my desktop background is also the same for those 1,5 years.
I use the TV for gaming, surfing (many sull white sites, some in dark mode) and movies.
The TV has run over 3000 hours like that and shows no burnin.
How far do your sit away from the screen?I‘m using a LG C3 42“ for some weeks know and i still can‘t get used to it. I‘m really on the fence for one of the new 4k 32“ Oleds but i don‘t know if this really an upgrade. 240hz is nice, but for know Most of the games i play can barely hit ~120fps even with my 4090
@@kaykayYTubeHey I also use a C3 42in. I have an 80cm deep desk and the monitor is pushed all the way back. This gives me a great compromise between sitting tight at the desk when working from home (3d modelling, technical drawings, documentation) and I can split it into 2-3 windows comfortably, or I can ease back a bit when playing games. And with a controller I can even sit on my bed. I came from a 27 inch gaming monitor and it's better in every sense. You will get used to it trust me. If you have a very small desk you might hate it, but if possible just get a little deeper desk. I have a 6950xt and same I wouldn't ever use more than 120 in the games I play. I have it since release and there's no burn-in to speak of.
You're the best Tim! Was so eager to have a trusted source perform this test.
Excellent venture, I think your choice of methodology is very good and sets this series apart from the RTINGS burn-in test. My use-case is about 70-30 work/entertainment so this is very relevant to me. Keep it up, cheers!
Edit: My best guess is it's gonna be a lot longer than one would think to see any notable burn-in, probably 2+years, though it would be interesting to see how full screen brightness fares. Something tells me there's gonna be a noticeable drop within the year. Might be worth checking every 6 months or so - could see some relevant deltas.
Cool. Good on you Tim. This is a question everyone has, and the answer is never clear.
I have been using one of my QD OLEDs everyday for work for over a year now. I work for 40-60 hours per week on it and game 5-10 hours per week on it. After a year I purchased a second one when I saw it on sale. I haven’t taken any special care of it, I already used dark mode but I haven’t hidden my taskbar or changed my background, I haven’t changed any settings on the monitor, I know it does pixel refreshes but not sure how often.
After over one year I am pleased to say I have zero burn in. People are way too stressed about this in my opinion. I guess we will see in an another year or two.
@@jakevanoostrum622Even if issues start appearing after warranty period (3y) it's a valid concern when you buy an expensive consumer good that potentially becomes worse and worse over the years.
can't blame how disastrous first gen oled were making the perception of OLED tech as a fragile matter
Excellent test case, this is exactly what I need to know and I can't wait to see how this continues. Great idea!!
thanks Tim - an actual burn in experiment ! Well done looking forward to the results
Finally, this is one of the things preventing me from upgrading my monitors as i work from home and i spend far more time looking at static images. As for my guess at the timeframe for burn in, whatever the warranty period is, plus 1 day.
There is no reason whatsoever to buy OLED for work. Just choose from one of many color accurate LCD monitors intended for professionals. OLED is for content consumption.
lmfao this is a great guess
@@Glotttis the problem is when your station is for work 8hrs a day, but play / media in the evening :). The older subpixel layout was for me a reason to not go with it for work. Also, it needs to be 27" or less and be straight, not curved. These newer models might be interesting.
@@jorismak exactly, I guess I could have elaborated. I don't really care about OLED for work at all. Nothing I do involves color accuracy or display fidelity. That said, I really really want OLED for gaming. Once they sort out the burn in situation so I won't have anxiety when buying a 1k+ dollar monitor, then I'm in. Unless microled is a thing by then lol.
@@jorismakI'm trying to picture your working/living situation :D You know these gaming OLED monitors are 1000$+. You could get 2x IPS monitors with great specs for that price, which is much superior for work than just 1 OLED monitor. Doesn't sound like you are very serious about your work tbh. And it's not like you can't game or watch videos on IPS monitors. I mean, this kinda sounds like "mom I need this for school" situation :D
you are doing gods work sir, tyvm!
Super Tim, looking forward to the results.
Good job on the video :) I have been using the monitor for a few weeks and you mentioned everything I noticed. Two (minor) things I would also mention:
1. After 16h, the panel protection run is forced. I work from home and game on the same PC, so one friday night I had to stop gaming because it started the run without me being able to delay it. I guess 16h of consecutive usage is long though. I just went to bed :D
2. This is not model specific, but OLED specific: Apparently there is a problem with VRR and OLED in dark scenes where the image flickers. For me, I had to turn off VRR when playing Last Epoch because whenever I was hovering over an item or would open any panel, the entire image flickered. I'm just mentioning it because I thought I did proper research beforehand but never stumbled upon this issue.
what i've learned from OLEDs is that while people are obsessing over burn-in, the real problem are dead pixels. after two or so years, a BUNCH of them start appearing near the edges of the screen. not that big of a problem in 4k screen as the individual pixels are invisible in real content from my normal distance, but man, when i say my barely-used lg b9 (like less than 2k hours of use) with like hundreds of them on the edges, it really didn't feel good.
The OLED demo unit at my local best buy is burnt in to hell so it can happen 😂 thanks for taking one for the team
SO INCREDIBLY HELPFUL 👏 gives me confidence that this monitor is the move for both productivity and gaming
Thank you for testing this. Subscribed
Been using my LG 27" OLED as my main monitor since July 2023, and have absolutely zero signs of burn in
I'm using this monitor as my primary display for games, videos and office work (mixed usage). It's reporting just under 2500 hours of total power on time, basically 10 hours/day for over 8 months at 100% brightness
All of the OLED Care features are turned on from day 1. Taskbar auto hide is turned off
Do have have any burn-in mitigation settings turned on?
@@TheRealBOBlibob "Screen Move" is set to "Mode 1", it's not distracting at all, and I could notice it shifting pixels like once or twice
"Screen Saver" is also turned on, it turns display black if a static image is displayed for around 10 minutes
Great! This tells us nothing.
You might be out studying or working in an office most of the day, and only plaing games a couple hours on weekend.
Or you might be using static productivity apps for 12 hours a day.
And regardless, that's, like... under a year of use anyway.
@@Lishtenbird forgot to mention this in the original comment. I'm using this monitor as my primary display for games, videos and office work (mixed usage). It's reporting just under 2500 hours of usage time.
Let me update the comment
Wow! Under a year! What a miracle!
You guys really take the cake for the most below average IQ takes when it comes to OLED burn in.
Hopefully we'll hear back on this in a month or two, that's really when I'd expect things to get bad for workstation use...
Around 4 to 6 months is when I noticed it on workstation use. Around 8 to 12 hrs a day. Seen far to many burn in, in that time period and come back. If you want to speed things up massively run anything out of aspect ratio
I'd assume that this is not a QD-OLED right? Since QD-OLED is meant to be more resilient to burn-in allegedly, and if you use it for movies and gaming (likely with all the protection measures maxed out), you should get more use of it right?@@lilpain1997
@@lilpain1997Speaking of contrast, for home office I realised if I set the contrast (highlight brightness basically) lower on my C3 it's both easier on the eyes for text, and also makes light mode only apps (lots of professional applications) not shine so damn bright for no reason which probably saves the screen.
@@phantomflame0658 not sure why my phone auto corrected aspect to contrast... Probably because I been looking at contrast paints a ton lol. But I meant aspect ratio
Great! This is what I looking for. Waiting for next update
Love your protocol as always , good job guys 😀
I appreciate you running this test. This is exactly the situation I'm in. I use my monitor 70% for work from home and 30% for gaming. I REALLY want an OLED for the gaming benefits but I seriously can't stomach dropping 1000+ dollars on a monitor that'll be worn out in just 1-2 years.
Tim are you going to test the new 480hz oled from lg?
Probably not. He doesn’t test monitors.
@@Conradlovesjoy smartypants🦆
Fantastic Tim! I look forward to see how long it takes for burn in.
Very nice! I'm going to follow this with great interest. :)
I've been using an LG 42C2 as my main monitor for a little over a year (early March last year) and it shows no signs of degradation which is very nice.
I use it all days long for productivity apps (lots of static content), and also hours after for gaming and films. I think it's safe to say it sees at least 12 hours a day of use.
I do use dark mode wherever I can though, hiding the task bar and such - which is how I prefer things anyway so it's no deal to me. Happy it's worked out well so far.
The warranty lasts 3 years? Expect to see burn-in after 3 years and 1 day.
like washing machines, once warranty is over - its gna die and gna be more expensive to repair than buying a new one xD
no worry, manually burn the monitor on the last day and get a new one.
My guess (and hope) is you won't notice anything even in test patterns in the first six months or so, and hopefully nothing at all in daily usage until 2025 at the earliest.
Thanks for the test. Hope to see your oled update yearly. I'm really lean into long term use of 7+ years because i don't want to constantly upgrade on tech...
as a owner of the 321urx this sets my mind at ease a bit regarding burn in. Thanks
I have been using one of my QD OLEDs everyday for work for over a year now. I work for 40-60 hours per week on it and game 5-10 hours per week on it. After a year I purchased a second one when I saw it on sale. I haven’t taken any special care of it, I already used dark mode but I haven’t hidden my taskbar or changed my background, I haven’t changed any settings on the monitor, I know it does pixel refreshes but not sure how often.
After over one year I am pleased to say I have zero burn in. People are way too stressed about this in my opinion. I guess we will see in an another year or two.
When you pay 2000$CAD+ for a monitor that has potential for having burn-in, it is VERY justifiable for anybody to feel kind of streesed out and paranoid about OLED burn-in. (even a 700$USD OLED monitor - which amounts to roughly 950$CAD - it's still an investment you want to have for more than 2-3 years)
If I'm spending $1000 on a monitor, I want it to last a lot longer than a year. More like 5+ years.
@@Lebon19 he's not saying it's not justifiable that they feel stressed. He's saying he doesn't believe that the technology is bad enough that they need to worry about burn in, and therefore, should not feel stressed. If it doesn't burn in, or doesn't do so quickly, it's not worth worrying about. If burn in isn't that fast, or severe, t's the same as range anxiety in EVs. What those people need is therapy because there's no range issue with their actual usage.
@@shapular ahh so you need to wait a year, and ask Jake to come back and leave another comment so you can see if it's burned in at 2 years then you can buy an OLED and use it for everything, not just gaming or watching films.
@@shapularthen you have to wait 5 years for reports from others. I think you're being overly paranoid, but you can wait 5 years instead.
That's why these monitors brightness are so low, not because they cant get super bright, but to mitigate burn in
Yup that's why I go with miniled...wen OLED get cheap then maybe I will try one
This is a good test. Thanks man for your study!
I just love this channel ❤ thank you for this experiment
I am using LG OLED 55" 120hz 4K TV for both 8 hours a day for work (a lot of static software with toolbars, headlines, logos, etc) and 6 hours a day for gaming (again, hundreds of hours of static toolbars in games like strategies, Factorio, etc.). I would rather buy a new one than do some special behavior like hiding my taskbar in windows. I have only turned on basic safety mechanisms against burn-in like pixel shifting. After 3 years, I still can't find any burn-in what so ever. Even thou I was expecting to see some burn-in after like 12 months of usage and need to buy new screen in 3 years (which is already now).... and still everything working as new, so it seems I will have to wait a loooot longer to buy a newer monitor/TV.
So guys, do not be affraid of OLED. Especially for gaming... colors, HDR and pure black is absolutely gorgeous experience.
Can second this. Aw3423dw on release used like a regular monitor 8 hours + a day. Going onto 3 years now, still no burn in.
Can third this. Oled is absolutely fine. Use pixel shift and just enjoy the technology
Most people know it's fine for gaming. The point of this test is specifically for productivity use cases which OLEDs are not recommended for to this day.
Staying in SDR helps a lot I think, it makes sense for productivity, but most of us here are gamers and we buy this kind of monitor to play in HDR, wish there was a test with 40h of gaming hours per week
Bruv, gaming is easier on it. No one makes an HDR brightness hud, so no worries.
Much appreciated! This is exactly the question I have for exactly this screen. I run 4x27 4K LG IPS now and want to replace the middle panel, but not if I'm going to be e-waste in a year. Even these IPS panels started to show image retention after seven years of 10-hour-a-day usage.
this is a good video format and test thanks!!
Me -> A massively scared 32" 4k OLED user, treating this thing like I would treat my newborn son. I basically only use it for gaming and very little browsing. Extreme care with dark mode, hiding bars and low brightness in SDR
Glad to see this for some peace of mind. I'll keep seeing the next updates
Me -> chad 3440x1440p VA panel user running his screen day and night on 100% brightness.
Oh god get over it and just enjoy the damned thing. I’ve abused my C2 like any other TV for 3 years and not a single microscopic sign of burn in. It will be the same with the AW I just got. These companies are giving out free burn in warranty for very good reason. They know it’s superstitious nonsense.
I completely agree. The peace of mind factor for current users is significant, and for those considering buying OLED but a bit concerned for burn in this is basically a decision maker. Even at this early stage, with the conditions in which Tim uses his monitor (250+ hours at 8+ hours per day almost exclusively for productivity) kinda settles it for mixed use users.
@@w04h That's... the whole point of this test. To see what "way worse" means. I think what OP means is that they are deliberately handling their monitor with kid-gloves to save it from burn in. Knowing how it might react given Tim's test could mean using the monitor for everything (i.e. mixed use) without fear.
@@elitepauper7400same. I can’t imagine getting 1k+ monitor and be afraid to use it. I’d rather get good miniled instead. It might be a bit worse but i can just use it 24/7
thank you for your sacrifice mate.
Thank you for doing this!
I work mostly in Homeoffice with Programs which have static icons, I have always my taskbar visible to quick access things and I also leave my monitors on when doing lunch brake in case I get a call. I have a 3 monitor setup where the middle monitor, which is the most important monitor, is used for thing i am currently doing, so work or game or study.
Becasue of these reasons I am afraid to buy aan OLED Monitor. I will look forward to see the results if you continue to use it.
9:07 I'm using the same monitor for everything. Gaming, Work (home office) movies, TV... And I wholeheartedly agree. When I'm gone for preparing lunch and I come back, it's sometimes off, because of the cycle and sometimes this messes up the windows putting them all to the other screen. (even though windows should restore them to the proper monitor once it detects it again) If it went to standby, it shouldn't be an issue anymore.
Other than that. I've been using it for a month as well, albeit with a (very) dark theme everywhere. Sometimes, the static detection is a bit annoying, but not to a degree that I would turn it off. Needless to say, 0 burn in so far. I love it. And I didn't expect the 240hz to be such a huge difference to the 120 I was using with my other monitor. So much easier on the eye, it's ridiculous!
This video is great.
I'll finally have an argument for people telling me "just get an OLED. Burn In is a non issue these days".
Burn-in schmurn-in. OLED is established panel tech at this point
Look at Rtings massive long-term burn-in test. There's your argument.
@@ronniekregar3482 not if my usecase is about 6h of static content every day
@@ronniekregar3482 established for who? Its niche tech outside of TVs.
@@FuburLuck I have almost 17,000 hours on my 48CX being used as a PC monitor. And based on RTINGS, it is way more susceptible to burn-in than modern OLED panels.
RTINGS is doing a torture test, it is not remotely indicative of real world usage. Nobody would run their monitor in HDR at full brightness for productivity. Simply due to the annoying ABL and searing eye pain it would cause. And lowering the brightness exponentially increases the life of the panel.
With this usage, you will probably never get it to burn in within the 3 year period. I have the feeling the companies know what they're doing when giving the out the warranty, it should not burn in at all if the burn in prevention features are used even at a minimum.
If you look at the accelerated burn in test from RTINGS (really absolute worst case), many oled panels start showing severe burn in after just 6 months. On the Sony A95K (also QD-Oled), some burn in is visible after 4 months (roughly 2100hrs).
@@leoklaus I believe they used absolutely no burn in prevention measures, just full blown permanent static images
@leoklaus wasn't it also the Sony that didn't actually run any pixel refresh? I need to go re watch.
@@SmellsLikeNirvanna They're not static images. They're all tuned to the CNN channel. And I believe they're just set to max brightness without disabling prevention measures
You can check their "How We Designed Our BIGGEST TV & OLED Longevity Test Ever" video from last year and at 8:14 they explain how they run the test.
The TVs aren't on 24/7, they let the refresh cycles run and don't show a static image.
@@SmellsLikeNirvanna No. They're displaying a live stream of US CNN. There are some static elements in that stream, but so are there in real world usage (taskbar, window borders, HUD). They also allow the TVs/Monitors to turn off multiple times a day and for 5 hours 3 times a week specifically to allow pixel refreshes and other anti burn in measures to run. I'm not sure but I doubt they actively disable anti burn in features.
It's not 100% representative of real world use, but it's pretty much as close as you can get without actually waiting for months or years.
Good stuff Tim , can't wait to see the results .
i've been unwittingly running the same test you are running with my laptop for a year now, as it has an oled screen (non-qd, non-woled, just regular oled) and i've been too stubborn to change my habits about using it. (although i do have a mild preference for dark modes but nothing quite as extreme as it is usually recommended for oleds.) i just checked, again, and i couldn't find any burn-in yet. i also disabled any and all static content detection features because 1. the myasus app is extremely annoying, and 2. i don't like the visual effect either. gonna knock on wood after making this comment but it's incredible how much modern oleds have advanced. and qd-oled is supposed to be a jump even compared to that.
you're gonna be here for a long time. enjoy your productivity monitor! honestly, i'd recommend ramping up the sample size of your test to 3, if you catch my drift
RTINGS is already doing a fantastic job on this
They are, but more data is always good. Just because one group does something well doesn’t mean others can’t also look into that thing.
RTINGS reviews are valuable however this is completely different use case
RTINGS displays TV 24/7
this is desktop app usage which is more relevant to the PC crowd
both answers are correct
Prediction: Since Tim is not running near max brightness level and leave most burn-in protection features enabled....my guess, for when burn-in start to become visible, would be somewhere between 1-2 year! With a 3 year burn-in warranty, I would expect they have factored in different usage scenarios in their equation! 😉
im excited to see how QD-OLED fairs. ive been using my LG C2 as my daily monitor in a very similar way for nearly 2 years, all day long doing office work and web browsing then in the evenings i tend to play some games. ive had zero issues with burn in. ive experienced some minor image retention if i leave a high contrast edge on screen for prolonged periods but it always goes away after a minute or 2 of dynamic content.
Looking forward to the updates!
My prediction: 3-4 months TOP.
But FINALY...Straight to the point, honest test without licking LG or Samsung ass saying how perfect OLED's are - which they aren't...
Please, keep us updated, don't leave it after some time! Thank You for doing this!
You're way off ;). Will be a couple years, worst case scenario.
@@sirgriffinmanYou wish, not with that (normal) usage...3-4 months, same as for Linus :)
@@MrAve20 I have many OLED's in my home, it will last just fine.
@@sirgriffinman I'm sure it was fine, I have LG WOLED too, but this test is with completely different usage and approach - using OLED like LCD without treating it like an egg....
Hello guys!
I switched to LG C1 almost 1.5 years ago. I use it as the main monitor (programming, games, videos, browser). All protection technologies are disabled on it, and the brightness is at 100% 95% of the time. A dark theme is used (I love it) and the taskbar is hidden. After 5,100 hours (10.5 hours a day on average), there is not the slightest hint of burnout. It was the best graphics upgrade in my entire life, now it even hurts to look at the LCD. So if you use your OLED in a mixed load, then everything will be fine with it. But if you use static, especially on QD-OLED, then the problem will come very quickly.
P.s.
My bet for this test is 1600-3200 hours till burnout.
C1 gang. I got similar hours on mine, although i use it as a tv. Hope our c1s last.
C1 Gang checking in. The C1 is still kicking and looks as good as the day I bought it (I have been using it as a monitor since day 1)
check again on a dark grey background. You will be surprised
@@burai647 I have just recalibrated the monitor using DisplayCal last week and didn't notice any burn in. The display does have noticeable-ish "Venetian Blind Effect" but has been there since day one and you can only see it during solid dark gray images. VBE is normal for these displays.
To be fair 5k hours is nothing lol. My old tv that I just gave to my mother is about 5-6 years old now with probably 20-30k hours on it with zero degradation. Now if Oleds could reliably do that consistently then I'd be impressed.
Thanks, Tim. You've been doing a lot of great work.
I'm in the same predicament. I use my desktop for 90% work and 10% gaming. I really want that 49" Samsung ultra wide but don't want to have issues with burn in. I'm really interested to see how your long term tests go. Thanks for taking one for the team!
The Rtings burn 🔥 in test wasn’t enough for him, he had to do his own
Rtings just set a static image and run it 24/7 i think. Not everyday use.
Did they with rhe qd oled too? What happened at the end?
@@xkyoLoPaRto hey that’s a great question. I know they have WOLED running the test but not sure on QD OLED
@@anvior45 Valid point, that is one of the differences your right
@@anvior45 they used a cnn stream. Thats close enough to real world usege as there are moving elements on the screen.
8 hours a day? That's rookie numbers. 16 hours a day for those who work from home and never touches grass, like me.
Nice. i hope for good results 🤞
@Monitors Unboxed : EXCELLENT video series, Tim !!! 😎😎😎
This is exactly the kind of information users need in order to determine whether or not OLED technology is a suitable for productivity purposes.
I'm looking forward to seeing the next ones in the near future to see how this tech holds up (or not).
Not turning off your pc or screen during the night is also a waste of energy. Its good that the screen turns itself off
Everybody I know be leaving their p5 on sleep mode lol
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Excited to see more content on using OLED monitors as a daily. I switched to a PG42UQ as my main monitor in August and no problems so far. I use it with my macbook for work all day, and with my PC for gaming.
I'll note the text issues you often discuss seem to be a PC specific problem, text has always looked fine when used with my macbook, otherwise it would be a problem for using this for work.
AMAZING VID. i have the msi 1440p 360hz oled and man this video just calm down some nerves on the whole burn in situation. Since they are 3rd gen oled, then hopefully burn in wont be factor and more and more people adopt oled because once u get one, YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK.
Hi Tim! Thanks for taking one for the team!
I have been using a PG32UCDM everyday for 1 month for work, but I am using all the OLED protection features available as well as brightness setting at 30.
It will be great to compare against your findings.
Hey, quick question does the pg32ucdm do the pixel cleaning when it's powered off? Or does it do it in standby?
I have one and I still have figured it out.
Pixel refresh will run automatically when the monitor is off but there is no indicator it is running. Pixel refresh also occurs after a bit of time in standby. You'll see the logo blink orange 5 times indicating it is starting and blinks 5 times again once it is done.
I recommend you just run it manually once a day. ASUS recommends it be done every 4 hours of heavy use.@@shortyorc121
Pixel refresh happens automatically after a certain time of being off, but there is no indicator. Pixel refresh occurs in standby after a few minutes blinking orange 5 times and blinking orange 5 times again signaling it's finished.
ASUS recommends pixel refresh be run every 4 hours of heavy use. I would just run it manually once a day at some point so you know it actually ran@@shortyorc121
@@shortyorc121 Going by what Tim said in this video, all the OLED protection stuff is done in standby then it powers off. If the monitor is off nothing is happening.
Now THIS is content. Thank you for doing this, much needed.
Great video, i hope you continue to use it to see how long it takes for burn in
I'll be keeping up to date on this series. I'll consider buying one by the end of the year. And it will all be based on your updates!
Excellent test and details.
This is super useful. Thanks for doing this
Thank you for doing this! Love it
Amazing, was really wanting for someone to do this, may I suggest also document and report on the warranty process in case you experience oled burn
Really useful, thank you!
Thank you so much for running a real life test. I'm thinking of getting a Oled for ages, but I'm concerned about burn in as I not only game on the monitor, but watch videos on YT as well. So far no one could advise how long it takes to burn in.
Thanks for doing this with actual typical usage conditions, not the 24/7 hours of leaving the monitor on with a fixed image like I see sometimes...
I did the same thing with the LG C1 48. It took 2 years, and now I am getting a slight icon burn-in. Pretty good for a TV. I have about 6700 hours on it. I did let it run pixel refresh when it asked.
Great experiment very useful for everyone thanks
I plan on buying an oled during Christmas, so this is very useful!
Good stuff! Thanks Tim 👍
Great research. Super curious about this.
Thank you for doing this Tim!
Looking forward to the one year update video!
Live long and prosper 🖖
Thanks so much for doing this test, Tim, I'm looking forward to seeing how the monitor fares. Are you planning on perhaps replacing one of the IPS panels you're using with a new-gen WOLED, as a comparison? I know I'd appreciate that, as the two OLED implementations are direct competitors.
Nice! I was kind of expecting burn-in after just one month of full-time desktop usage, so it's good to see it's not there yet.
Great experiment 🥼 Thx
Finally, this is exactly the test i've been waiting for.
I'm guessing 6 months until signs start to show
This is a great test! 👍
Thanks for your sacrifice - shortlisting this as a potential buy as soon as the comparison reviews of 2024 32" 4K OLEDs are in!
You've got a new subscriber. Keep us posted.
What an awesome test, thank you. If it goes well I might buy OLED after all :)
Great effort, we need more tests like this. That having said Rtings' LG C2 got permanent burn-in after 8 months. (5000 hours)
My c2 42 is just over 2300 hrs now.
They're blasting full brightness 24/7, that's ridiculous.
I always calibrate my shit to 120 nits and use shit normally, I would most likely *never* have any burn in.
@@GrainGrown Yeah it's very unfair even for us running professional static apps for 8 hours it's really not the same thing. They don't even run the calibration/pixel refresh when you turn it off. And a lot of us will turn the "contrast" (white highlight brightness) way down to like 60 because light mode only apps are otherwise too jarring and strain your eyes. 100 is the most accurate but only needed for games and content.
Awesome! Thank you for this experiment!
I hope to buy this monitor for productivity work in a few months.
I'm concerned about its brightness during the day. Could you film the room you work in so we could assess the level of illumination?
Thanks, this is a really valuable experiment! I recently bought an IPS monitor, and I want to eventually upgrade to OLED when it drops down in price and burn-in risk is a non-issue. I'm thinking it's going to be a while until then, but it'll be really great to see where the tech is at right now