LiveWire Del Mar first ride: Not your grandpa's Harley!
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- I had a chance to get an early test ride on the LiveWire Del Mar ($16,999 www.livewire.com), where I discovered how powerful, fast and comfortable the bike is! Check out my full write-up on Electrek at: electrek.co/?p=257191
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I never imagined I'd see Harley making quiet electric bikes. They've always been the "Loud & Proud", gas-guzzling, oily, greasy, " 'MURICA!" boys. :)
I love the shape of this one; it looks like you throw your leg over and just wrap around it and tuck in.
We're getting such fantastic advancements in electric vehicles - except for the batteries, it seems. If these would do just 250-300m per charge, you'd see a lot of traditional vroomers switching over.
Think I’ll stick with my LiveWire One but these are a great option for others! Giving up level 3 charging is the big miss for me personally. Great review!
meh, boring useless trash. just get a unicycle
These bikes are never meant to be far from home. The use case is you can make your full errand run or commute on a single charge. So the L3 charging isn’t supposed to be required. But there is a certain comfort level with having additional charging capability.
@@doc2w534 I work at Harley so being able to charge up in less than an hour right at my job was a big selling point for me.
@@doc2w534 the great thing about fast charging is you dont need a lot of range, since you can top up quick and keep going. I agree it's a huge miss.
I've been driving electric since 2011 and had a variety of cars and an electric BMW C Evolution scooter. I've always used L2 charging. DC fast charging has been useful only on rare occasions, both on my BMW EVs and my Tesla. I'd rather have L2 charging than L3. It's more useful and much more common. CCS charging is nice but it's a treat to have access to one. I had workplace charging at L2 but CCS DCFC is miles away.
I have a 2021 Zero S and this is going to be a big competitor! My Zero gets about 100 miles in the city but about 70 on average if I am doing both highway and city streets.
I love the way this looks! But still more expensive than the S even when you add a charge tank. My S with with tax and the charge tank upgrade was still about $2000-$3000 less than this one out the door. I think it looks nicer than the S though. 😊
Great video, thanks!! ❤
lol what a joke, just get a unicycle. same range and everything except better
@@Blox117 L
EV vehicles still have miles to go, but with every new model they become more and more atractive. This is a really beautifull bike ans a very appealing too. The price....
But it is amazing seeing how H-D went from one of the most tradicionalist bike builders to one the most advanced in technology between the big brands.
Again, great bike, great video. I want a "Del mar"
There is nothing advanced about a heavy overpriced bike with crap range.
Looks really nice!
I test drove the live wire. I was hoping they would make a cheaper one and this one looks even better. The live wire was awesome to drive too
The Del Mar looks nice, love the styling. Yes expensive but as stated in line with other e bikes in the industry. You’ve got to give Harley kudos for creating these e bikes. More than what any of the big japanese manufacturers have tried.
When you hear the rumble, you know it is a Harley; when you see its stance, you know it's a Harley. Ergo, in 100 years it will be the Harley old-school connecting me to my great-great-grandchildren; emissions made inert, parts protected to weather the passage of time, and with a turn of a key, Harley rumbles again in the future tense.
As for the LiveWire: (Harley-Tactical) I see its potential as fit for purpose: Amended with H2 continuous torque and speed, augmenting battery pack: Conscientious as an Environmentalist, silent and stealthy as a Seal, quick and agile as a Marine and the covert tactical fortitude of the Green Beret: developed is well suited to offensive, defensive and emergency interventions, and when needed, the hyper-acceleration of Mr. Scotty's Star Trek's warp speed, at the flick of a switch.
Now for the future tense: (Harley Thunder) the Harley Hydrogen fuel-injected Dual-V12 Hover Thunder: Vertical take-off thrusters, boisterous rumbling thunderous calling card its DNA of original genesis, atmospheric aero-dynamic generating atmosphere, self-contained life-support energy on call, purified oxygen and water; able to meet and defeat the extreme conditions of the ongoing climate crisis.
Now this is Harley beyond contestation remains rumbling thunderous in the genesis, the now & future tense.
Na Mickey
Subscribed love this channel and I’ve been waiting on a review on this bike nice 👍.
I believe this is the first channel with public coverage of the Del Mar
This is just an awesome city bike. I need one!!
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Nice conversation 😂😂
Just need a test ride at the San Jose HD dealer. Amazing bike! Feels like getting shot out of a cannon! Thumbs up to my lead rider for letting us open it up! :)
I'll stick too my Enfield.
I so wish these would come to Australia!
That is a lot bigger, bulkier and taller than I thought from the pre-release images. Presuming our Micah is to scale.
Living the dream
Now that's a nice looking bike! Good job HD.
Available in Australia? This is exactly what i have been looking for.
ThanksMuch!
A quiet motorcycle from Harley Davidson is shocking. It is a nice bike which is completing against not only against other E motorcycles but ICE motorcycles well. That price point is to close to the price of a Hayabusa which I think is the most “ bad ass “ mass produced bike. H/D needs to work ready hard on getting the price down. Great video/review as always.
harley's first electric came out in 2019, the LiveWire. Although the price was higher, it was more capable from a range and charging perspective. Beautiful bike and exceptionally made - handling is top notch.
Love my LW1 ;)
Keanu reeves called, he wants his… never mind.
Wonder how much these will be in Australia?
I love the shorter wheelbase, upright riding position, and overall build but the loss of DC fast charging is too much to give up.
I'm interested!
The very fast charging is a must have for all bikes...
How was the suspension on the street? I see your helmet bouncing around like it’s a bit hard like the live wire one
Can you please do a review of the Super Soco TC Max?
Gotta be Chopper potential in there somewhere. I really can't imagine Hells Angeles on these.
NYC is very strict about the speed limit. We have too many speed cameras in NYC. Our highway speed limit is 55 mph. Do 65 mph, do 66 mph and they will catch you 🤔
Love the innovation in this space. Brilliant design. Very smart for Harley to spin off this company - let your winners run!!
I can't believe the chrome and push-rod guys came up with such a good-looking design. Hats-off to them!!
Love the styling! I just wish it had better specs than a 2017 Zero SR. What was HD thinking removing Level 3 charging??
I don’t think it’s a Harley anymore. I’m still to confirm if that’s the case.
@@whatsstefon I believe Harley still owns the majority of this company.
@@AdventuresonZero I believe they own it, however it is now a separate and legally distinct brand. No Harley branding on it at all. I think it’ll be a confusing next ten years for the development of this Livewire brand. I hope they push on with it. After all, they were the first world wide large scale manufacturers to build an electric bike.
@@whatsstefon the headlights have Harley-Davidson Davidson branded in them
@@AdventuresonZero I suppose some of the parts will, like when it look under an Audi and see the VW logo. Lol.
Good looking bike. Range is the killer though foe that price.
This bike would look and perform so much better with 17" wheels and proper sport tires, just as Indian figured out with the FTR.
If I get an electric bike. It would at least need 100 miles range on highway at 70 mph. I think this is what it's like for commuting in most cities west of the Mississippi. But it is something I am interested in. The other thing I would worry about with this bike is the way the frame and battery are setup. Batteries expand. I am sure the designers attributed for this, but it is a concern for me.
Def getting one
Does it have Traction control and ABS and corner breaking
legit the first Iteration of electric motos that has my interest Piqued.
hi guys,
cabo cruiser elite max 60 v or cabo cruiser elite 48 v or swft maxx. can you pick and advice the best one please?
The Del Mar is a lot cooler looking bike than the OG.
Set up like a dirt track bike, right down to the tire tread.
I'll wait for the S3. I'd consider one for 5-7.5k
For running around town how would this compare to a Rivid?
??? 😂 WTH YOURE IN MY HOMETOWN? I’m glad you came to see New York and be careful because the traffic is extremely tricky for ebike riders
Just put in a blue preorder 👍
Appreciate the review. Considering electric mobility I’ll keep looking.
The Livewire One is a fantastic bike!
I wish LiveWire would have learned from the HD LiveWire and the LiveWire One. I hope LiveWire will add a full rear fender to the LE and Production bikes. If this is meant to be a commuter and not just a sunny day ride, the rider(me) wants to be protected from the water being sprayed up from the tires. Function first, leave the holes in the fenders, shorty fenders and fender deletes to the aftermarket. Oh and I already have a reservation for one of the Del Mar Launch Editions.
I'm sure someone will find a way to make a mud/water guard for this - lost of people have done tail deletes on the Livewire
@@AdventuresonZero I am sure you are right. I just wish it was not going to be an aftermarket product or something I have to fabricate myself à la the pannier racks you fitted to your LiveWire. By the way, I've enjoyed your channel. You really show how long rides and touring is possible on an electric motorcycle.
@@Johnny-Zero thanks! I got tired of LiveWire not giving us what we wanted. Supposedly there were several production cuts prior to the ELW roll out, and panniers/racks were one of them
Would like to ride one. I love everything with two wheels.
looks pretty sweet! Would love to ry one as well
110 miles city range vs Zero FXE 100 miles city range isn't a huge jump for the $4,000 in cost difference. Interested to see more specs and glad to see more competition in the space!
For one, livewires’ range is probably more accurate as it has likely significantly more battery. But it’s also much more powerful, so range isn’t the only comparison figure.
@@Electrek yes. look for range test between the livewire one and zero sr/s ridden back to back. you'll see that zero is a bit like the tesla of e motorcycles, advertises way more range than they have. other brands are sometimes optimistic too, but way less. Harley is more conservative (and accurate) about the range so I'd expect the same on their second model.
BTW the range test also stated that the livewire one was better to ride, on top of having better range. if the S2 is actually 3s to 60mph, and delivers on the range, weight, its actually quite competitive with zero's if you either add a power pack or take a bigger battery model, add a quick charger option, considering the livewire come with quicker charging from the factory, quicker acceleration than any zero motorcycle. moreover livewire doesnt put software limits on the performance, range, and charging speed.
FXE is like a little dirt bike, this is a nearly full sized motorcycle that you wont get blown off of when a car goes by
@@jonfrost7671 its a ligthweight supermoto rather than a dirtbike, its still full size in the sense that it has 3in taller seat height than a livewire, wide handlebars, so it will fit tall people, but you are right 130lbs is a big differences. 430 lbs is pretty common for a motorcycle, 300 is on the far end of lightweight road motorcycles, even lighter than 400cc like drz 400.
less weight is an advantage for agility, fun, and lower speed riding, tight low speed corners, while more weight can be an advantage for comfort, high-speed stability, or just highway cruising with traffic, wind. weight can also help if you are heavy yourself, a very lightweight motorcycle could feel odd.
@@jonfrost7671 I ride highway on my fxs all the time, no more issues than my Indian ftr1200 in terms of wind. Range at 70 is about 40 miles though.
Recalls the electric motorcycles in the film "Logan's Run". Indeed, H-D initially leveraged that name for their e-bike project. BTW, the robot in that 1976 film is more capable than the Tesla Bot revealed 2 weeks ago.
Yeah and the robot from lost in space from 1965 is more capable than it too. You're comparing a guy in a suit from a movie to a real robot that isn't even finished or released yet. The Tesla bot can barely do anything at all yet and idk why you'd expect it to. The difference is, it's not a move prop. It's the real deal.
I have a Zero FXE, is this bike good enough to warrant considering trading up?
considering the fit an finish of the livewire, I would say this would be a step up in form and fit - still waiting to hear back on full specs.
Nice.
Looks cool, but it's to expensive.
Needs to be $8000 dollars less
How long do you think it'll take till these will have 250 mile range? 3, 5, 10 or more years? Or never?
5-10? What do you think?
A question for you Micah, you have a test drive of the CSC-RX1E at $8K and now this DelMar at $16K… is the Delmar really 2 times the RX1E? I really like the Delmar, but I think Livewire is overpriced yet again. Yes I know the 100 unit pre-order is sold out, but I think it’s about 2.5 to 3K overpriced. Since you’ve ridden both, I would like to know your thoughts.
Great
Oh wow its literally the front end of a sportster s thats kinda dope
When are you reviewing the Mulholland?
A guest writer on Electrek did an article test ride of a Mulholland
Would my feet touch the ground at 5'4?
Based on the looks and price, I'd prefer to get some early-adopter's used Livewire One over this, or get a Zero. The RGNT No. 1 is also in the running if it actually makes it here next year.
The lack of CCS is what really hurts this bike, and obviously the price, but they are competing with the FX line of bikes.
Looks like a bike for a tall person only?
"That's a nice dog" lol that was terrible
Rather wait until these bikes are five years old and get them for about $7000 😂
And get half the life because the battery is eaten up? Bet you won’t have that issue with regular ICE.
@@ajojoseph6052 if a bike only last 4 years then you played yourself on buying it brand new 😆😆😆🤦🏾♂️
As much as I love the flat track styling of the bike, $17k for 110 mile range, an obvious 85-100mph top speed with no level 3 charging 😂 that's an easy pass. For less you can buy a Zero S Power Tank & Quick Charger included with far better range.
Thanks for the review though 👌🏽 great video
Really? No way! Lol
It will cost 15.5. 110 mile range.
How do you make a big ugly battery box look good?
This is how!
They need to soften the rear suspension
Good looking moto, better than the bulky livewire. HD really needs to get into the affordable smaller bike & scooter market Electric & ICE to stay viable. Old gray goatee leatherboy crowd is aging & dying off., their are 20 HD's for sale on Craigslist for every honda. $16k is a deal breaker though. I can get a low mileage fatboy Glide for under $10k
The S3 will be a smaller class motorcycle, likely won't see that until 24/25 though
110 mile range is pretty pitiful
for bikes built with this battery size, that's typical.
No gas motorcycle comes close to ride experience of the Livewire One. They just aren’t as fun or enjoyable. They are cheaper but it’s only a matter of time til they aren’t … and then it’s over for them.
Tinha que ser em Português para todos intender obrigado
magnifique
Interesting revision but I think I'm going to stick with my Dyna for now.
quiet is great
My lectric 2.0 gets 65 mpcharge
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Both Surely quieter than my Energica. I'm getting a bit tired of the sound to be honest.
hey, this is going to be my first bike. Thoughts? Yay O' Nay?
@@focusedstudying8993 that is great! I wished I had seen this before I pre-ordered the Del Mar Live Wire Bike... In theory though, do you think the Del Mar Livewire is a good beginners bike? I plan to buy a E-Dirt Bike (Segway Dirt Bike) to get use to riding electronic bikes before I start using my Del Mar
I am not super rich, but fortunate enough to be able to finance both purchases.
Zero fxe still more lightweight and for the city
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110 city range. Cut that in half if you're on the highway doing 75mph. So $16000 for a bike with 65 mile highway range. No. Thanks.
Where I live, you can cut off another 30% from the summer heat and sun. 40 miles would be more realistic for me.
@@MercilessGuitar151 heat increases range, not decreases it.
If it could do 110 highway range and had DC level 3 fast charging like the other livewire it would be pretty good but your right the range is really too low and charging too slow,hopefully the get range up in the hundreds and charge time under 20 min then these bikes will be worth it
Same range..you can get an onyx rcr which is $4500 and arguably nicer.
@@J.Artan6 we don’t know everything about the bike yet, final specs haven’t been discussed. You could be right though
Expensive
Still doesn't beat a V Max......so I`ll stick to that.😎✌
Maybe the they’ll invent a Bluetooth speaker exhaust that you can mount on the bike and just play straight pipe evo music the whole time your riding these heeps.
I strapped a bluetooth speaker to my zero...not for a fake exhaust note but to blast music...never was a loud pipes save lives guy;...but after riding a zero in a major city;...i can tell you I've had more people try and take me out on that bike than any ICE bike...i'm now convinced in a world where no one is actually driving...they are playing with their car entertainment system and cell phone;...that exhaust note helps awareness
Yes, it looks cool, but the price combined with the very limited range and level-2 charge time form a disappointing equation for purchasing one, unless it'll just be an expensive, occasional-use toy. I like the idea, but - at this price, with so many other options for a highly-entertaining motorcycle - this bike still requires being an EV-fanatic. Solid state batteries should change this situation for the better, in a few years.
When costs come down to be on par with combustion bikes, thats when we will see more uptake. Right now its a toy for the rich.
There’s no such thing as level 3 charging. I wish marketing would stop that crap.
Electric cars make sense to me, but electric bikes seek to have more drawbacks than advantages. They don't sound good, more expensive, they're heavier, and have less range.
i think i'll stick with my grandpa's harley.
It's nice tec. But it's for going around the block.
Not something i can cross europe with unlike i can do on my Dyna.
Hipster bike. Can't imagine this is trying to target actual seasoned bikers.
Not having level3 at 18k is insane. Electric bikes must be competitive with atleast the next price segment down of gas bikes.
agreed, lack of CCS is the downfall at this price point
Looks like motorcycles of the future will only be for small skinny people.
since Harley has a lot of knowledge about making V 2ins, i wonder why they have not yet come up with the idea of an engine where one half of that V 2in is Petrol engine (about 400cc) and the other half is an electric motor with regenerative tech. Petrol tank on top of that engine (like normal) and a battery pack under the seat (like Vrod had it).
No range anxiety + No full electric wokeness. 🤟
TVS (India) which now owns Norton showed the concept of such a bike 3-4 years back....
In reality it's way overpriced needs at least 200 mile range other bikes have over 200 mile range why can't they.
Ummmm……best to purchase a USED Livewire?!? 😊
There are definitely some good deals on used livewires with insanely low mileage
pricing is absurd for specs. Especially jacking up the price from initial announcement. Typical Harley using excuses to squeeze the maximum price out of people. So the LE is now only 600 bucks more than the production version. Why even have a limited edition version separate anymore?
The LE pricing was before the inflation hit
@@AdventuresonZero prior to inflation on the initial release they said pricing "near 15k for production version" near 15k implies more than $600 less than the LE. Sure its NEARER to 15k than 17.9k. But in context of the LE price compared to "near 15k production" thats actually NEARER to 17.9k.
@@seansimpson2586 I imagine the LE will be more, since it was advertised as close to what the base model is now
@@AdventuresonZero They have 100 reservations at the announced price. I doubt they will jack up those LE prices due to the already existing reservations. That would lead to pissed off early adopters who might cancel their orders and just go with the "cheaper" model. Not a good look if you don't sell out your LE early model after announcing you sold out of reservations in 18 minutes.
@@seansimpson2586 I dunno, they’ll likely charge more, there are people still on the waiting list for the LE edition. People pay 2-300k for a Pokémon card…limited number motorcycles are no different 😂
Livewire REALLY isnt a cool brand name, however. Always having to explain to people that its really a Harley. When Harley is the name they all recognise.
The branding problem was that the base Harley market didn't want to acknowledge it - so they created a separate division that would grow on it's own, even though it's still made in the same PA factory next to other Harley ICE models.
@@AdventuresonZero
A bit like over here in Europe... The only good Harley is the V-Rod. But in America they hate it on principle because its got a Porsche engine.
But yeah heritage and brand identity in marketing was kinda my education. And I see this with american brands all the time. As if, when they struggle to sell, they "rebrand" themselves rather than admit their product isnt very appealing. Like the Viper logo changed 3 times, Corvette going the same way. And Harley gave up on the entire US of A, and moved to Germany where there is still a hard core of people in their 60s with money and an interrest in that old American FREEEEDOM myth.
So yeah. In the US, for some inexplcable reason that nobody except right-wing extremists would understand... Electric motors are becoming anti-american now. Several states wanting to ban electric cars and desperately fighting any hint of the future.
@@captain_context9991 for the banning debacle, I think it's a natural reaction to people that also don't want to be mandated that they have to accept only one form of transportation - the petrol industry is still big here and it's hitting people hard. My mother's husband was laid off back in August and is struggling to find work - he's been in the oil industry his whole life.
I honestly think the electrical auto industry, and those that push it heavily, need to slow down a bit and let it naturally build out. I think people like us are just caught between the extremes on both sides.
Everybody just needs to chill. Or buy a motorcycle 🤣
@@AdventuresonZero
America.... Is PROUDLY conservative. Ultra conservative. And conservative means just that. To conserve... To never change. To always keep things exactly how they are. The way its always been. When people talk about making America great again... Taking the country back. Back to a time when blacks and women knew their place. Back to a time when the chemical waste from factories went right into the local river and nobody cared. Back to when a whole town could live on that old steel mill up in the hills. When you could make a living off a barbershop in the high street.
Back to whenever you were tired of school, you could walk down to the local car plant where your uncle worked and get a job for life fitting fenders to GM trucks with zero skills, education, or training. And buy a house and a colour TV on your way home.
Back to when all you needed was a gun, a horse, and a sunset to ride into. On your pursuit of happiness. Thats the myth, the American fairytale that never really existed.
Then the government "mandated" helmets when you ride a motorcycle. And the same exact talk started. Same as when the government wanted cars to be crash tested. Seatbelt mandates, and no drinking while driving. I CANT BREATHE with a helmet on, they said. I have a medical condition, others said. Exactly like today with the Covid masks and stuff. Word for word the exact same argumentation.
And even today its seen as "sticking it to the man", being a rebel, not doing what they tell you, when you ride a Harley without a helmet on.
Slow down? How could America possibly progress any slower. Oh, right I was talking about conservativism. The exact opposite of progressive. Which is to look forwards to new technology and new science, technology, and innovation.
But in a society so PROUD of their cowboy heritave, aint nobody want none of that progressive stuff. And in the world of Trumpism, if its not ultra conservative, its not American. And its not American, then its anti-american and evil. In the same way christians used to label anything thta wasnt christian, antichrist and automatically evil.
And in their effort to be against all that, they have now gone on an all-out war on education, intellect, expertise, and science.
Obviously electric cars fall under that. And obviously all this rethoric and all these talking points are heavily bought and paid for by the also extremely subsidised US oil industry.
Thats how it is. Living under fascism. Also known as "Under the corporate thumb" Its quite frankly AMAZING How OK America is with this.
The Beta Boy's Bike! Yeah!
Tbh.. I just don’t like EV’s and/or EM’s. Like what are you supposed to do for the half hour in the middle of nowhere that your EM is charging? Just sit there looking like a complete lost idiot💀. Oh 20 minutes left hehe gonna watch some Netflix lmao. Get a quick episode in💀. I prefer gas ‘N go motorcycles gosh Dangit.
Quite the stupid name for a motorcycle.
Del Mar = From the sea.
These bikes are about $10 grand overpriced. $15 grand is just way too expensive for what it is and what you're getting. I'll wait another few years till electric bikes catch up with normal people.....
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