F-22 Raptor VS SU-57 Felon 5th Generation Dogfight | DCS World
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0:00 Intro & Round 1
3:12 Round 2
5:59 Round 3
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Hey guys.
In this @EagleDynamicsTV video I'm flying the F22 Raptor against the SU57 Felon flown by BRAD, Thanks for the help!
5th Generation Dogfight is an interesting concept, Hope you guys enjoy!
I love playing simulators, i started with Arma 3 and then i saw DCS World. I also enjoy War Thunder , Battlefield , Ghost recon, Squad , Rome total war, Microsoft Flight Simulator and more. I also enjoy World War II games including il-2 In DCS World i found all the jets that i wanted to fly in a simulator the F 16 Viper , FA 18 Hornet , F 15 Eagle , A 10 Warthawg , SU 27 , Mig 29 , P 51 , Spitfire , AH 64 Apeche , Heuy and more... And if you will download MODs the options are endless: F 22 Raptor, SU 57 , A 4 Skyhawk , SR 71 Blackbird , Rafale, Gripen and the list goes on.
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Hey guys! In this Eagle Dynamics: Digital Combat Simulator video I'm flying the F22 Raptor against the SU57 Felon flown by BRAD, Thanks for the help!
5th Generation Dogfight is an interesting concept, Hope you guys enjoy!
It's not crazy. EW systems have far longer detection range than the actual radar.
Unfortunately, EW systems have trivial or non-existent modelling in DCS..
Very few carry even carry jammers.
And even fewer still carry a true EW system. Most systems called "EW" are stupid jammers.
@ Longshot. That was intense. Thanks. Ace Combat 4,5,&6 pilot lol
Tips: break that f-22. You don't feel Gs so throw it around. Hammerhead stall style. Feel free to tap WW1 biplane to WW 2 P-51 to A-10 tactics for low speed combat. My favorite: 0-g stall. Remember, HARD brake into the turn, full throttle coming out. You need to use the brake more.
My slowest speed in Raptor is 167mph... against three F-15s and a...Mig of some sort. Love that Vector Jet.
That's a Nasty opponent...all the SUs are. I liked the look of the SU-30mkII, kinda like a U-2 warrior version.
As far as future strategies go, I'd like to see an area being "flooded" with drones doing all the radar, searching, ecw, etc. and sending all the important data to the fighter jet thru an encrypted data link.
I have a feeling their comms would be jammed pretty quick which brings us to the uncomfortable topic of autonomous drones.
@@M167A1
1. Laser communication.
2. Radio jammer is an easy target, easy to spot.
@@M167A1
Skynet is real...
Well seeing what russia is attempting to do you are not far off, just the other way.
The su57 and su75 will be used as the command and control for an element.
1 fighter jet with 3 drones for hunting and attacking.
Maybe drones will be doing the dogfight too. Because humans pass out at high G. Drones will be able to pull harder and faster.
Dude, I don't know how you do it, but somehow your dogfights are the most spectacular and suspenseful dogfights out of all of the DCS CZcamsrs.
The shots and angles you get of both jets twisting and floating around each other are absolutely insane. I keep saying "holy shit that's amazing" out loud and having to rewind the video lol
His videos tend to feel much less text book than GS videos. I think that’s what contributes to the feeling. While he’s a very skilled pilot he feels more amateur and relatable in skill
I really appreciate the kind words, really happy to hear that! Thanks so much buddy!
Agreed, absolutely breathtaking angles on these videos.
Absolutely loved this video, excellent flying from both guys, and you really chose some beautiful locations to dogfight. Well played!
Thanks so much! Cheers
Hey! i first discovered you through Growling sidewinder's videos (as im sure a lot of people did), but i gotta say, while i may love the informational tone of his videos, yours feel so much more tense! its almost like im in the plane dogfighting for real lol. keep up the good work!
Thank you buddy!
I have to say that Longshot has the edge over GS because from what I’ve seen he’s a bit more aggressive.
@@ajaxmaintenance5104 GS seems to favor the rate fight at low altitude and Longshot seems to favor rolling scissors.
Your commentary is great, makes it feel more real! The low cloud cover with the mountain tops is an interesting setting. It's weird to see the Raptor have to work for the kill! Great show as always.
It seems like the raptor got caught slow on the 2nd and 3rd which I don't really get tactically. The raptor can super cruise without burner and can probably bleed off speed easier than it can gain it back but still super fun and an such an interesting matchup.
Does super cruise not have tactical utility? I thought the felon merging faxt would make it easier to lockup as the circles extend out a bit. Super fun matchup and awesome commentary 😂
DCS modelled that signature su-57 howl..!! 🤩
he just took a video
You should hear the F-22 when they throttle back when coming in to land. Very wicked sound.
I really love the fact that you chose these terrains! Incredible! more 5th gen fights there! 2 vs 2? 🤩
this would be nice :)
That last AIM 9X hit on the Su 57 made me think it was impervious to missiles for a second. Looked like it didn’t even hurt him lol. Nice flying as always
@@BurntPlaydoh yeah that makes sense
lol yeah it looked like an APS hard-kill
I'm in no position to say anything about how good the Felon really is, but one thing I can say and that is that it's one absolutely gorgeous plane..
Indeed it is even though the f22 is better I gotta say the felon is just beautiful
@@jjgamingjjg1942 f22 is mean, flanker&felon are elegant. they all have their beauty
I love how you can hear how serious things are by the tone of Betty’s voice. Some things are like “hey this happened” and others are like “yeah you’re fucked”
One of the best 5th gen fight so far from both sides. Also love that the Su-57 has that real life whine now when subsonic
Between the two in a dogfight, it really comes down to the pilot on who makes the first mistake.
One of the most classic dogfights in DCS
Longshot mah man!!! yesssss...this is a type of dogfight i've been waiting for. I love your and GS's vids, but these were always "gentleman duels". And nothing wrong with that, that was compelling stuff.....but i've been waiting for one of those BVR fights to get to the 5 yd line and the goal line packages need deployed. This was the spontaneous merge fight i've been waiting for. Good job dude.
even tho you lost that second round, that was titties getting away from 2 fox 2's. He essentially landed on your 6, nothign you could do......gj. 3rd fight was masterful.
Thanks. Glad you had fun
@@LongShotChannel more of this type of fights where the merge happens organically...which is like it would irl. This was honestly the best DCS video i've seen yet. I'd like to see the reverse fight with you in the Felon and the same guy flying the 22. Same type of setup.
Thank you very much.
That belly POV just after ten minutes was so sweet! Your eye for camera positions is spot on!
Thanks so much! Cheers
@@LongShotChannel 😉
2:42 that wasn't a kill, that was him going back to the future.
are you sure it wasn't the su-57 turning on its advanced russian stealth?
@@Ankhobo Poppin smoke like Ninja
2:44
Those new experimental grenade bullets are working wonders!!!
The M61 does actually use explosive bullets (semi-armor-piercing high-explosive incendiary). It's one of the least realistic things about DCS in that there are rarely complete explosions despite the fact that modern jets are bags of fuel covered by a thin layer or metal. From most accounts of recent A-A engagements, the fireballs tend to be pretty spectacular.
F-22 engine sound: ROAR!
SU-57 engine sound: **I come to suck away your soul**
I really appreciate Longshot's view and think the same about Bvr going obsolete.
I also love the content as Longshot and G.S are one of the best fighter pilots in DCS.💯
This is my first video of yours coming from GS. As far as the differences in your intros alone, I had to become a subscriber. I'll be back at the end of the flight for debrief.
Debrief: Despite the 2-1 overall, the hype is definitely real. Maneuvers, threat mitigation, and fire solutions were all there in real-time. Minus the unpredictable variables, you should've had all three, *BUT* everything came together. Well worth the subscription to keep up with the future videos.
Thanks, and welcome!
Dude --that Su-57 was handing you your ass. He dictated all 3 engagements and had you on the defensive each time
Need to improve my SA...
@@LongShotChannel *Felon after being disintegrated to electrons* :Skill issue
Loved round 3 !! Very exciting 👍👍 Would be awesome to see 2 5th gen pilots take on each other on DCS. But I would think that would not happen until some of them retire, which can still take some time.
Like two leaves falling trying to get each others 6.
No active duty or even retired US fighter pilot would fly a game/simulation in a realistic manner, so as not to reveal the tactics they are taught and trained to employ against the enemy.
@@Turboy65 That was what I thought as much, pity for us since it would have been great to see.
Love the updated sound of the Su-57
5th Gen fights never get old
That was an intense fight especially in the 3rd round. Great video, definitely one of your best.
Thank you
Slow Dangerous fight right there... I tell you what! But that first kill! Damn!
Well to be fair the SU-57 should (iirc) have an electro-optical targeting system too. So in that instance no need for it to use a radar.
Does the Electro-optical targeting system perform search/scan functions?
@@sztypettto Kinda-sorta. Their EO system is actually five subsystems that perform different tasks. So essentially it has a traditional IRST and a thermal targeting system for ground strikes. It's not really the holistic style system that's used in the F-35.
The exposition and the clip editing are all damn crazy lovely ^^ and the crazy theory ofc :)
Watching two planes do not plane stuff just makes your brain quit. That was very awesome
2:44 wow! that is a satisfing shot... lol
Very exciting video! Thanks Longshot 😊
Thank you
Truly entertaining dogfighting LS, fun to watch
Thank you!
After watching Growling Sidewinder for about a year, coming here, I think your cinematics are better, but I think the level of difficulty is less here, not as intense/fast paced.
Cool stuff man.
Dunno. GS loves his standart Merge/dogfight setups. They are cool in their own way and good skillset training, not gonna argue that. But LS seems to like thinking out of the box and his scenarios are kind of what if scenarios. Also a bit less scripted in the setup. Hm. Prolly sumns it up. GS is textbook, LS is out of the box. Both good in their own right. Btw I notice GS lacks something, LS doesn`t: LS is extremly quick to use guns instead of missiles if the opportunity arises.
Outstanding fights, this ranks as among the very best you or GS have done imo. Absolutely nail biting stuff. Great work!
Neither do I don't play DCS nor do I know a damn thing about these jet fighters or anything but still I love watching you guys play the game.
Thanks! Glad you have fun, It's great to hear
These are the best videos! Love when yall sneak through the mountains and try to surprise your opponent
Thanks. I'm glad to hear that
Iv so been waiting for this one for a long time
I can't help but wonder if the mods might overly favour the f22 in certain regards that aren't too realistic, from looking a air show footage it really feels like the su57 should be out turning the f22.
I hope you realize that you are talking about two probably the most classified fighter jets in human history all the while voicing doubts about the mods' simulation value (with one of them being SFM to boot)...
Just take this as an Ace Combat session.
Gotta tell ya...I was on the edge of my seat with those fights Longshot. Sic!
Thanks so much
First round, you touched its tralala.
Thanks a lot! The editing very good, narrative. Wish map you guys played this one? Cheers
Some really dangerous flying in round 3, even without the Felon! Great scene!
Great show again. The scene setting was beautiful and awesome flying from both parties. It's like a ballet dance in the clouds with the occasional confetti of bullets and missiles.
Thanks
Dude, you vaporized that poor pilot... I can almost breathe what's left of him.
I love these videos so much because these aircraft are awesome but are also just tools of death! Here we get to see you in a 'life or death' situation and here a genuine giggle come out.. it's nice
Had me holding my breath all throughout that one. Great job.
Thanks buddy, I'm happy to hear you liked it
Your theory on BVR potentially becoming obsolete in a stealth fighter world is an interesting one Man, plausible for sure.
Yo, I found your channel from Growling Sidewinder. This video made my PP tingle. Keep up the good work.
Lol, welcome buddy
That camera angle of missile being launch from the raptor was really amazing.
Crazy how fast that complete mechanism needs to be as the life of pilot depends on it during dogfights
That was intense! Great video.
Thank you
YES! THIS is the fight i've been wanting to see. situational awareness is EVERYTHING!
Glad you liked it!
@@LongShotChannel for sure. Been asking GS For this and i dont think he saw the comment and you did it so well. Shared it with all my pilot buddies!
Growling Sidewinder fan! This is another great site. Thank you young Sir!
Regarding your initial thoughts: don't forger IRST. If you consider the stories about how exceptionally capable the IRST on the F-14D was, and extrapolate how this technology must have progressed, I believe BVR would still be a thing...just not so much relying on active radar (kinda like submarine warfare: passive sensors > active sensors) 🙂
I think you've fired into the sun every video I watch lolll
And now for the third stanza: Fight of the Falling Leaves. 🙂
Brilliant action and editing!
Thank you!
Good thing Longshot wore his brown pants today! 😂Great stuff man. 👍
This was fun! Thanks!
That was awesome, great flying man
Thanks!
Really cool video. Ngl I've had the same thoughts about 5th generation air combat.
Thanks. Yeah its interesting
Love this type of video. Way different than a straight head on merge.
Thanks, i appreciate that. Trying new stuff
That was a very edge of the sit video. It was one of the best dcs plays I ever saw.
Thanks so much!
I don’t know how much it’s predicting the future but it’s make a very entertaining DCS video
I've been waiting for this
this had me on the edge of my seat!
im not sure how u made it so organic, its like I was there lol
I loved every minute of it
Thanks so much brother, thats really nice of you
wow, that SU-57 really turned to mist didn't it? GS did that to a 57 (I think) in one of his videos as well
its an issue with the mod heh
Man that was intense! I found myself holding my breath. Lol Good content.
Thanks so much
I think thats the first time I have seen someone attack "out of the sun" downwards, completely blinding the pilot and missiles of the plane looking upwards.
Fantastic video! How about a 2022 DCS setup video? 👍
Ill get to that at some point
Man I am an F-22 fan but damn that Felon is a gorgeous aircraft
Would be interesting in the future to have a bunch of super stealth dogfighters
Your editing is really good.
Thanks buddy
bogey using the sun for cover. Great tactics!! Really love these newer jets mixing it up. Feels like guns are more relevant than they have been in 50+yrs...so good
Fighting on top of the cloud layer reminded me of some sci-fi I read. Not knowing what was under the layer was really interesting.
Your theory is actually very interesting.
now this looks like a true realistic dogfight. amazing! the best dog fight video ever, and dare i say, ever more than watching growling sidewinder. they are more educational but this is more realistic
I had the same thought. The advantage of stealth in an air-to-air role is the ability fire on an enemy who can't fire back. If both sides are stealthy, than detecting the other will be delayed until close range. While we don't know the exact capabilities of modern radars and at what ranges they can engage stealth aircraft, it's probably a fair be to say that dogfighting will be a key component of 5th gen vs 5th gen fights and possibly into the 6th gen.
Its like some Scifi Genres like Dune for exemple, where Technology got developed to a point, where People have to fight each other again in Close Combat :-D
"He came really fast"... No one take this out of context.
That first kill was AWESOME!!!!!👍👌🔥🔥🔥
Awesome content man.
Love the content long shot
Honestly, that shpeil at the beginning was the truest statement ive heard by any plane nerd yet xD
"Goin in fir guns"
Yee haww
R1: Second turn kill....nice.
Perhaps the next development in detection hardware will be acoustic monitors on terrain features.
WOAAAA that first splash was so emotional but man I'm so afraid of that red whistling plane!!!!
finally its not a robot talking .lol
Awesome Vid
I find it odd that there was enough of a possibility of him getting a lock on you from the front with his heat-seekers despite the fact that the Raptor has almost nothing in the way of thermal signature to lock on TO from the front (its nozzles/exhaust is specifically designed to mask thermal signature from anywhere but the rear), yet you struggled to get any kind of lock on him even from behind, even though his exhaust/nozzles are not stealthy AT ALL.
Also odd that you couldn't detect him first, given that the Su-57 sacrifices some stealth for maneuverability and weapons payload.
DCS 5th Gen is good for entertainment, but not realistic at all. The true capabilities of these planes are state secrets, and the mods that they are using are just good guesses.
speed heats up wing roots
@@Real_Claudy_Focan don't think that's enough for seekers, the su57 models or f22 models are not realistic either.
@@ashblythe9598 it's more than enough for seekers, especially at the altitudes where temperature difference is even bigger
wow nice setup location for 5th gen ....please make more like this again!! Brilliant video
Thanks
Hey Longshot, I'm curious which of the F-22 and Su-57 mods you feel is more manouverable? I've seen lots of videos with you flying both mods. The way you flew the Su-57 in GS's Top Gun video was awesome to watch, some incredible manouvers!
I am not Longshot, but I can answer it for you after trying out both mods:
The Su-57 maneuvers better right now since that mod has thrust vectoring (TVC) modelled, while the F-22 mod doesn't have this functionality.
@@nesher666 yeah, but they usually turn it off, also there is a modeled TVC for the raptor that maneuvers better than the Felon with TVC but it’s not out for the public
@@nesher666 Current F-22 mod does have thrust vectoring tho.
@@CNCTEMATIC Source?
@@getsideways7257 GS showed a showcase of the Thrust Vectoring version that 'isn't allowed to be released to the public due to personal reason'.
Which, when I translate it, becomes 'the devs do not want to be contacted by the CIA'
great dig fights bro
LongShot, Toda for this viddie. I've been wanting to see you against the su-57 felon in the F-22 Raptor.
Edit: I really like the under belly camera shot of the missile launch.
Thanks, glad it came out nice. Thanks buddy
Breathtaking fight! You good on one circle but GS on two circle
The second round was the most aggressive and perfect fight ive ever seen, he did everything right.
round 2 felt like a baby seal clubbing that was intense man
Well played!
Greetz from GER
how do you get your graphics like that? using reshade??
I served in the navy for about a decade until 2019, from what I can tell we're moving in the direction of unmanned vehicles, ships and jets. Moving and operating at speeds humans are just not capable of. That's the future of combat for highly developed combatants.
i think we can all agree the su57 sounds way scarier than the f22
One of the best dogfight i hv seen.