Education in Sweden Vs The US (6 Years Teaching in Sweden)
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Sweden authorities regards education as an investment, while many in the US just see the expensive cost.
Most often as a business
No, that's an incorrect perception.
Sweden is one state. The US is 50. There are two political parties that will not cooperate or agree on anything.
Public funding comes from local/state tax, not federal tax from Washington DC.
Americans who choose private schools must pay out of pocket, because private schools cannot get tax money like in Sweden.
Americans are the biggest critics of American schools, but the politicians do not listen.
MAC VENA incorrect. Sweden is one country and the US too. Doesn’t matter if the US comprises 50 States. Certain things like health care, immigration, labor, education...shall be taken care at governmental/federal level. The US doesn’t, and this is precisely the huge mistake that allows speculation rather that guaranteeing such unalienable rights accessible to ANYONE!
As a matter of fact, the only possible way to make it work is by enabling citizens - through democratically electing a government that shall be responsible for setting rules and making sure are respected at a national level - to finance via taxes contribution.
At the contrary, and the reality teaches us, whereas there is only capitalism (such the US), there are only corporations lobbing polititians to do only their own interests (speculations), living the mass going bankrupt and in poverty!
I underline that the opposite of capitalism doesn’t have to be socialism (which is another way to call speculation), but simply SOCIAL. I hope people make the difference between socialism and social.
M B please don't confuse crony capitalism with capitalism
Is it true that American unis are amongst the best in the world though, or is it just propaganda? Most know the US' k-12 is pretty bad, but think highly of uni. Some conservatives say the reason is k12 is free (socialized) and no choice (cannot hardly transfer school districts without moving), while universities are barely subsidised (if at all), choice to attend wherever, and full to nearly full price paid by student or parent.
I'm a teacher student in Sweden and really reacted to what you said about the system in america for setting grades is more concrete, with easy percentage and avarages.
The whole idea with the swedish assessment model is that a student should be graded on the knowledge level they're at when they end the course, and not be "punished" for a bad start and such. It feels safer when you think about how, for instance, accidents and family deaths affect you. If you work hard you can really improve your grade in a meaningful way and get rewarded for the ard work.That principle is the main reason I personally prefer the swedish assessment model, even if it is harder.
It also gives more credit to the teching profession I think. A grading teacher really can't be unqualified, since it's less mathematical. I always get frutrated when people think it doesn't take skill to teach and assess fairly and efficiently.
Anyway, super interesting to hear your teacher-thoughts!
@Coll of kids Coll of kids 2 What is your basis in that? I would really like to hear your thoughts. As a teacher student (art and religion) I find that most students get the wrong idea about grading in art class. Most students seem to think that the "prettier" you draw the better grade you get, which is totally false. And even though I keep telling the kids that we don't grade that they're adamant that it is so. So they probably think they're being graded unfairly.
No schools i know do this, but I prefer the pass-fail system with a rubric of each standard. Of course, I would like to have implemented with multiple tries. Think some jobs implement this. What are your thoughts on this, and on being used in a school system?
If i have a masters in education from an american uni, could I teach in sweden? Do you think that would be considered an "expertise" field for residency? At least after the whole corona thing...
One could say it's "pay what you can", given that's how taxes work. The upside is it doesn't matter how poor you are, your kids can still get a good education. The only limit would be themselves, not the parents financial situation.
About the grades; Swedish schools are supposed to focus on learning and remembering what was learned for a long time. This is why we’re allowed to retake tests and so on. Tests aren’t only to get a grade written in stone.
Fun fact about Swedish schools, and that school lunch is that
The law states that Sweden schools has to be _absolutely free_, meaning no charging for food at all, school supplies has to be supplied to the children, if they're going on an educational trip the school pays for that etc.
So no matter your income you will get the same education as the next kid, you won't ever miss out on anything just because of monetary reasons.
I find that pretty cool
And don't forget that we don't need metall detectors at our schools
Det kommer, vänta bara-
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From Idaho here, good news is that such security really only applies to really high crime areas/cities. I'm not aware of any school in Idaho or even Washington state or Oregon that has that, I've used restrooms in schools while doing field work... metal detectors. Have some nephews and nieces still in school.
But it is sad that some of our schools and cities are so crime ridden, and the mass shootings that seem to happen so frequently.
99% of American schools don't either.
One more thing. We have "studiebidag" in Sweden. I don't know if you have that in the US. But I think it's help a lot for us students. Even if it just 1 200 kronor/ month, I think it helps a lot for the students to stay in school.
Du är grym på vad du gör, och förklarar jätte bra🤗
I grew up with the same classmates from first grade all the way up to ninth grade! ❤️ Some of us were basically like siblings. It was pretty awesome!
Isn't a difference also how much safer it is? Like you don't get shot at school, I feel like that's a major plus.
Or get shot for walking while black.
@@paaaatrika at least you can defend yourself from a sword
It may be a bit stressful to know you have to work to get into the gymnasium. But it's nothing compared to the stress the students in the US go through in regards to college, and their non existing income to pay for said college
for me it's crazy to have to pay for university. It should be an investment for a country to have well educated people. It's a right, but it makes also sense economically. Higher education means also higher productivity, more innovation, higher salaries and therefore higher tax revenues.
I don't know most of my techer's lastnames.
Did you ask? :)
*teacher's. Idiot.....
@@Anonymous-wb3nz bruh they are a child
One thing to note is that gymnasium can be way more niche than high school in the US. Our gymnasium is about as specific as college can be in the US. For example, the course in my gymnasium that I'm going is all about video game design and programming.
Breaks are not just a Swedish thing, I assume it's a European thing. I went to school in Germany and we had a 30 minute break plus two short breaks. You just need to be able to empty your head and stretch your legs between lessons, the overall learning success will be better. I am actually surprised that it is only one break in Sweden. I mean, I went to SFI (svenska för invandare) and SAS (svenska som andra språk) and there was only one break, but it was only half a day and a short half at that, so I assumed there would be more breaks during a regular school day.
Yeah this is a good point!
Im pretty sure we have more breakes. Atleast untill Gymnasium. In the gymnasium, it could vary. from 5 min between the lessons. To 1,5hr. and on that always a 30min lunch break.
But from age 6-16 the breaks were atleast 15min to 30 min between almost all classes.
I don't know what kind of school you went to but even at Lund University you get 10-15 min break in between all 45-50 min classes
No we got breaks in Australia 29mins in morning and about 40 minutes at lunch plus certainly when I went through our school day was shorter than European systems
When I went t school wenever class took more then 80 minutes we got a break. A normal day could look like this:
8:10-9:30 Math
9:50-11:10 Swedish
Lunchbreak
12:10-13:10 English
13:20-14:00 Geography
14:20-15:20 Music
Every time I watch videos like this I am so happy that I was born in Sweden! So happy! I can't even imagine having to stress over those kinds of student loans. I mean I have student loans to pay of here in Sweden, but no where near that much a month.
@@__-bc4bs Strong language but you have a point... A good/valued degree from a recognised/respected school and you are set for life (unless you are a screw up in general).
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Do you even know how worse US education is? I have a german friend who was on an exchange year in the US. He said school was so easy there. They were like 2 years behind. The stuff they did in his class, he did in germany 2 years ago! It was really sad.
@@XDrakeX1 now i kinda wish i lived there... i would have better grades... jk i want to be able to tell the difference between Sweden and Switzerland...
Well, I just finished 5 years in KTH. Me and colleagues had about 250'000kr in student loans when we were done so we will be paying a large amount every month as well.
@@Zeta-qz6ci about 25k in $?
Great insight and well said! A real expert opinion here which is super valuable
Thanks for checking it out. Glad you enjoyed it!
about the thing with changing classes, in sweden you have a certain "skolfrihet" that gives kids the guarantee that they can go to the school they want to, so say that one kid hates his class it's fully within his//her right to change schools
The thing is, Swedish schools used to be a lot like the current system in the US. What we found was that the whole disciplinary focus and strict grading system only helped the rich kids and hindered the poor ones, and so we reformed it throughout the 1960's and 70's. There's constant attempts from the conservative parties to get the school system more like that in the US, but it hasn't ever gone well.
WOW! Can't imagine having to pay that amount every month..
I like the difference in power in the schools...it is more a mentoring kind of situation than a power structure. I love that they actually give people good food and it's amazing how that makes a difference. I love this mentoring type of situation with students.
I had to pause and think for a moment when you mentioned the grading system XD The system with grade A to F is fairly new, while when I went to school it was IG (Icke Godkänd/Not acceptable), G (Godkänd/Acceptable), VG (Väl Godkänd/Well acceptable) and MVG (Mycket Väl Godkänd/Highly acceptable). But my parents both had grades 1 to 5, where 1 was the lowest and 5 the highest grade (my mom was the only one in her school who managed to get a 5 in PE ;P )
A, B, C, D, F...wait, what happened to E???😲
In the States, a + or - denotes a subset within each letter grade. However, i have never seen an F+ (failed but nice try?) or F- (d--n, you suck?).
Point on as a swede living in US. Great vlogg.
I’m really interested in teaching up in Sweden some day!! Could you make a video about what your university degree is in and how you went about teaching there?
That’s very interesting! I go to an English school (in Sweden), so we get kind of like the best of both. We refer to our teachers as Mr and Ms, and we have a “punishment” system. If we come late five times, we get detention, and the teachers can give out behavior notes, and if we get three of those, they have a meeting with our parents. It’s pretty strict, we have a dress code, but you get use to it. We also have a lot more assessments and stuff, but the average grades are hight. I actually like this system!
I use to work in an english school. Compared to a USa school it is not as strict.
"best of both" "punishment system". Well that's kinky.
In the US in 2018 there were teachers striking for pay so they didn't have to work an extra job and to get basic classroom materials that they were paying for themselves because the school couldn't afford to supply it. That is a broken system.
Yes it is. Even the "richer" schools here in Los Angeles begs parents for supplies. I find it utterly baffling!
In New Zealand high school has a short day, they start 30 mins later and finish 30 mins earlier. New Zealand is debating giving free school lunches. A very few schools do, but that is more like private money
The food in swedish schools is also sort of part of educating kids in how to eat right and how it works but it also has a hidden lesson in teaching kids about different swedish foods and culture, at least it's what I have experienced and noticed
New subscriber here :) I'm a Swedish girl who moved to the US and lived there an extended time for university, so I can relate a lot to your videos discussing the two countries. I recently moved back to Sweden and now CZcams is recommending me a lot of US/Sweden related content, such as your videos :D I really like your channel so far. What part of the US are you from? :) Keep up the good work!
I'm from Pennsylvania. I am happy to hear that you like my videos. It would be interesting to here your perspective as well.
@@AndrewAustin Nice! Thanks for your response :) I lived in the PNW but did some traveling to the east coast too during my time in the US. Unfortunately I never made it to Pennsylvania though. :( The closest I got must have been NYC or Buffalo. Maybe you can tell us more about your home state in an upcoming video? :) All the best for 2019!
Good information!
Yeah, we are kind of informal to our teachers here in Sweden.
I remember that one of my classmates in junior high school would call one of our substitute teachers back in the late 90s by the Swedish hockey player Mats Sundin's nickname "Sudden" all the time, just because that teacher looked exactly like him, lol.
Music teacher and just moved to Sweden from the US as well! (I’m colombian, though)
What a relief!
Please tell how.
Parcero!...... Yo también quiero irme pa Europa pero sigo en Colombia halp jajajaajaaajja :V
They have changed the grading system a couple of times. The grsding system I had is not the same as it is now. The bew one is very confusing. I had G, VG and MVG when I went to school. Before that when my parents went to schhol it was something else. It was 1 2 3 4 5.
Thanks for your perspective. It is a curiosity of mine because my kids go to a "rich" school in Northern California and the way my 7th grade daughters teacher does math is by the mastery approach. I learned through repetition and my class would come back to it before a test. She comes home with a few problems in math, each slightly different problem and then when the test comes she doesn't remember. The info moves so fast too. What philosophy is math taught in Sweden?
Thanks for watching!
I would say that it's repetetive.
I sometimes used the firstname and sometimes the last name back in my school days. I got 2 detentions, 1 for forgetting my stuff at home too many times and 1 time for coming to class too late too many times. I was playing chess with my mates and the game never ended when the class started :D
Thanks for sharing!
all of your video really encourage me to move to Sweden. Do you have a recomended app to learn Swedish? love from Indonesia
Good vid! Keep it up
Thanks for the kind words!
Re: the first name-thing. This is not just something that occurs in a school setting, as you probably have noticed. We had something in the sixties called "du-reformen" (the you reform) that you might find interesting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du-reformen ;)
Thanks for sharing!
@@AndrewAustin - yes, I believe the du-reform has been a very important change in communication in Sweden. This reform has also spread to Norway, Denmark and Finland but not further. Iceland? And have you heard about Saltsjöbad-agreement in 1938?
I just saw the new report cards in the US, they complained about the grading concept (A, B, C, F, etc) but they changed it to #'s (1, 2, 3,, 4, etc), but they hold the same meaning when you look at the key, so what's the difference? It's just a symbol with the same meanings. And true, a lot of education gets lots studying for these standard tests, and the schools that need the most help get less funding and forced to lay off teachers, makes no sense to me.
Veldig interessant! Jeg kommer også fra USA. Jeg prater både norsk og svensk, prater du svensk?
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"A rough area..."
Methinks you're code-wording 😙🎵😋
I think the swedish grading system makes more sense because it accounts for variables we might not be able to perceive. Like learning disabilities, mental blocks, IQ... by leaving it more up to interpretation you can acknowledge that one kids A looks different from another students A.
Hi very interesting commentary. I've traveled in Sweden for business and love the culture. I'm also from Youngstown, Ohio. Are you from Ytown?
Pittsburgh went to YSU one year of school
Are the us still using "multiple choice" in exams? I always thought that was to easy.
It is used on a lot of standardized tests.
Canada (North America). Yes, it's still used (not for all exams...). BUT IMHO it can also be a TRAP... (2 questions are nonsense / 2 are (can be) so poorly formulated and vague that either could be (sort of) correct = becomes more a very nuanced language thing than a science question). When you write out your questions - the teacher will be able to see where you are failing in your learning/thinking. My humble opinion (not a teacher...) just a parent with one kid in high school and two in University). I prefer written answers as a parent.
In any high school here... The teacher is Ms. Mrs. Mr. Sir. Anything else would be considered incredibly disrespectful.
@@RedRisotto In my company in Germany we have used multiple choice tests for a few years in the internal training of our apprentice. But unfortunately we had to realize that the young people did not really understand what they were actually learning. Therefore, regular questionnaires with written answers were used again.
Multiple choice is faster and easier to grade, especially when there is little to no time during day for teacher to actually prepare lessons, grade papers, attend meetings, etc. You're expected to do after school on your own time.
I think multiple choice exams can be significantly harder because they are not only asking to identify an answer but also which of the following are NOT correct, especially when there are 5th options such as all of the above or none of the above. This format can leave you second guessing yourself to the point where you miss the question, like some kind of mind game.
Just to clarify, you're working in classes in the elementary school?
It's quite a difference from the elementary school to the gymnasium and a big change from the gymnasium up to the university.
The difference is both different between subjects and level of education and concerning both the grading system as well as the teacher to student relations.
Just to emphasize on the point you made about the lower end schools in the US, some families doesn't even have the money to have their kids in school or not the possibility to get the kids to school whilst a higher tax is, well, a higher tax, it still makes it so that the kids doesn't get (as) punished because of their family economy or family relations. Especially since children (who supposedly would go in elementary school) by law has to go to school, the parents will get in trouble if they would somehow prohibit the kid from doing so.
Felix Seestrand From grades 3-9. I have experience
The US already spends the most of any nation on each student so I doubt the problem is lack of funds. Bad teachers mean bad schools and the US unfortunately has alot of "deadwood" in the teacher's unions. A voucher system could go a long way to fixing that issue.
In what way does the US spend the most on each student?
The spending on each student is still extremely unevenly divided in the US depending on what school the student is attending (the schools that costs a lot to attend also spends more on each student, only seems logical). Since the schools with the best results gets more funding the lower end schools gets stuck there because they don't get the funding needed to pay what you'd define as "good teachers" which means all the "bad teachers" goes there because they don't have a choice + the school gets worse equipment for the education.
My point was that to even get into school costs money in the US = those that cannot afford to do it is missing out on all of that "spending most out of any nation on each student".
Finally, could you explain what your comment had to do with my topic? o.O
@@poisonbomb1 gah you're annoying.
The average *public school* (i.e. free for the) student costs about $12K - that's only fourth highest, my mistake. The least any state spends per student, on average is $6K; though most spend at least close to the OECD average, about $9K, so I doubt the problem is a huge lack of funds keeping children out of the system all together. BTW Utah is the lowest spending state but the 30th ranked so the relationship between spending and performance is not linear.
Teaching in the US public school system is not competitive. Being a bad teacher doesn't mean being a poorly paid as far as public school teachers go; it isn't quite a problem of poor schools only being able to afford louses to put in front of classrooms. I take your point about equipment. However, the problem is not that schools or students are poor it's that there are powerful incentives/structures that cause money to be wasted. Hence, I advocated a different system which would change the incentives of the schools.
@@rwatertree
Thank you :)
If a school have a low average repetedly on the national tests, they dont loose any money. Usually the county will sit down and investigate why, and even give the school more money to sort it out.
How did you manage a teaching gig in Sweden?
I always envied the lunch thing in Sweden, I hated my boring rye bread lunchbox when I was a kid.
Also most kids get an I pad to use for school work for free. .you can choose for your child to go to a private school such as Waldorf Rudolf Steiner, Montessori, Reggio Emilio ect for free and University is also free.i did 9 yrs of schooling in London U.K and 4 yrs in Sweden and I can truly say that the Swedish schools are by far much better than the British schools when it comes to the hrs/per week, homework, respect, grades and in general the way they go about teaching and how they treat children!!
The Mentor concept: In the US it is "sink or swim", in Sweden you are temporarily provided with a floating device if you appear to need it?
Hi what topics do you teach in? In what level?
Number 12 about the money it is paid by the "kommun" and it is chosen when they do the budget for half a year, since the "kommun" makes a budget twice a year, so if you choose a school in another "kommun" the "kommun" where you live is paying that one to take care of that students.
I agree that a basic education is a right but a higer education is not a right. However an investment from the sociaty to make that education free is a very positive idea, and if its a good education it will repay the investment many times over.
What's the difference? K-12 is an american institution, but 13th grade + is socialism??? 😏😋
A bachelors degree today is the equivalent of a high school diploma a few decades ago. More education creates more and higher paying jobs.📚💴💶💵
Agree on the last point 😁
Andrew Austin i want to ask, how do you cut cheese in usa ? swedish cheese cuter you said backsctratcher. but do you eat cheese by rocks ? or you dont have cheese on a sandwich ?
It's hard to speak your mind. Especially in Sweden. Everyone has to be in consensus. It's good to hear the stuff you talk about Swedish school, when a lot of people here is ranking it down. CSN, the cheap loan you can have, is great. I pay around 90 dollars per month, I will be done in year 2027 I think. No stress at all. (For non-swedes, this is money I loaned to spend on food, apartment and clothes...not intuition fees, that is free here. )
When my daughter went to elementary school I told her to listen to the teacher and to "shut up" at the lessons. Many parents always think the teacher is the problem in Sweden, and does not raise or blame their own kind. So I guess it is hard for teachers here to act as parents also, to the children.
True, I think part of the problem is the parents attitudes. That many parents don't respect teachers and as you say blame the teachers when there's a problem and taking their kids side. If the parents don't teach their kids how to behave it's difficult for the school to fix it.
@@frida507 Im a teacher student who sometimes work at a youth recreation center and I was utterly shocked when a couple of older kids threw and aimed fireworks at me and the other kids and one of the parents reaction was "My kid told me that you guys are so respectless at the center that I think you might've deserved it." I can't even fathom it. She had never visited the center and she never called us beforehand and asked us why we would have to, on several occassions, scold and ask her child to leave. This is in a wealthy neighbourhood, if this happened in a neighbourhood like Rosengård, Malmö I can guarantee that it would be all over the news as well. But that note aside, the entitlement in som parents are just astounding.
What's an intuition fee? 🤔😋
vad är en intuktionsavgift?
I'm not sure elevens val in Sweden and school sports in the US should be compared to each other straight off like that. For starters schools in Sweden don't, generally, run sport teams at all. The very idea of schools spending (rather large amounts of) money on having good sport teams is very foreign to I dare say the overwhelming majority of Swedes. There are sporting events for schools/students but they are mostly done on individual or class basis (the class being, as you also pointed out, a more important and cohesive unit in Sweden) and in the cases where schools do compete against each other the teams are largely created ad hoc.
Now elevens val (or individuellt val for gymnasiet) is for the students to spend time doing something they find interesting, want to learn more about or getting better at a subject they're struggling at but it does not mean they can pick just anything. It is still supposed to be teacher led education of some sort and not scheduled slacking off. As examples, some of the subjects I myself picked during my school days were working on a school newspaper, theater, preparatory chemistry and drama.
I got detention once in the 13 years I went in school in Sweden. I believe it was in 3rd or 4th class. And what did I do... well I was little late back to class after a break, and the reason was that me and some other kids stayed with a classmate that was hit in the head with a shovel by a other kid. Stupid reason indeed.
If you are in a class you don't feel fine to be in, you can be moved over to another class.
No. 8.
In my years at school we were given the gymnasium that we belonged to geographically. Unless we wanted to apply for a gymnasium with a specific line, like music, art or sports.
That gave a much lower stress.
In Norway its year 10.
I think the american way of changing classes if I understand it correctly is probably better for most people because it will force you to meet a lot of different people and there's a bigger chance you will find friends you really like.
I think there are pros and cons to both systems
I am of the opposite opinion. I have 6-7 friends that I saw and grew with every day for 9 years, and I still see them weekly. For me they're practically family. We all have the same memories since we were 6-7 years old. That is worth alot for me, but ofcourse for some people that system can be a pain for 9 years that just holds one back.
@@adamsjoberrg Det är ett lotteri vilka man hamnar med i grundskolan. Jag hade en väldigt tråkig klass. Inga tjejer som var intresserade av killar, osv... Som tur var hade vi idrott med B-klassen som hade alla snygga tjejer. Hade kanske inte just då velat haft mer kurser tillsammans med andra men såhär i efterhand hade det nog varit nyttigt.
@@erik.... Så är det såklart. Men får man stanna med samma personer länge så lär man sig förhålla sig till andra och bygga vänskap och relationer.
The japanese/korean system of teachers changing the classroom is much better in keeping hallways non-congested. 😋🇯🇵🇰🇷
Thanks for doing the video! Many things you mention are things that are different from school to school. Mostly it's a pedagogic lunch, meaning the teacher eat with the children. It's not a break. In some schools, those that don't eat with children have to pay a fee. The student loan has to be paid before you turn 65 (retire). The longer time, less pay each month.
Thans for watching!
I reacted to what you said about sports in school.
What if you have a kid that's not athletic? Yes it's important to move your body. In Sweden you have gym class which I have found more beneficial because everyone have to participate.
Sports should be outside of school, on your own time and it's not expensive to join in. It should have Nothing to do with your grades!
I think you misunderstood.
You don't get a grade for sports in the US and you don't have to play sports. It is something outside of school, but it is included with school. Gym is also a class you are in the US that everyone takes unless you are in a sport. As far as being athletic all kids are welcome to join a team. They might not make the starting team. So if you play football, basketball, track and field, you don't have to pay for it which is nice.
I agree not all kids are athletic, but not all kids are great at math or reading. It is important for all kids to feel good at something. For some kids they might not be gifted in academics. It is important for these kids to be able to show their peers they are good at somethings and successful.
What I like most about the sports in school is the connection between academics. If you are not keeping your school grades up, missing school, or have bad behavior you won't play on the team or practice unless you get you grades up, and behave. it might be something as simple as making up a test or not showing up to classes. I think we can all agree school is very important for kids. Not all kids like it, but it is important for them to learn how to be successful.
To have this support between teachers and coaches is great. They might not like math, but they love football. They don't want to stop playing football so they work hard in math.
We all have to learn to do things we don't like to do to be successful. It is important for kids to learn how to be successful in school, society, and with teamwork. If we fail to teach them this in school there is a chance they could end up in prison and on the wrong path in life. I think it is super important to try to teach as many kids this at an early age.
American sports programs have saved a lot of kids lives and kept them on the right path. It keeps them away from crime and drugs etc
@@AndrewAustin maybe so BUT it just so happens that I live in LA at the moment and my daughter who's not athletic but musically inclined joined the marching band playing clarinet. Sure, she got excused from gym because this was deemed a sport. Really! Best exercise was done two weeks before school started (They called it band camp but that was no camp. It was taking place at one of the school's football field from 9:00-19:00 and that was it. When school started they were working on their routine but there was a lot sitting around. It got even worse for my daughter when they needed a synth player her third year. Since my daughter also plays piano they begged her to switch. She then got No exercise at all since the "pit" with the heavier instruments are stationary.
Then we have the second semester. No football, no band competitions. She was in Symphonic Winds and Still exempt from gym sitting on her butt, playing clarinet. This went on all four years. Except for when they had performances. This was not entirely free. We had to pay for transportation and food. Transportation was done by regular school buses but we had to pay for the use of them… ?
BTW Band was by no means free. Neither was any of the other sports. All in all it ran about $1,200 for ONE semester of band. Symphonic Winds was free, except for transportation to different performances. This was a so called rich school. Torrance school district. Supposedly one of the best in California. Also, she DID get GRADED on Band performance and Symphonic Winds.
Utterly ridiculous!
Honesty, I would rather have had her in gym and done band (or something entierly different) removed from school. Practice was after school hours anyhow every day and weekends were taken up by either football games where they performed or band competitions. Needless to say she had no time for any other sport or activity. It was school and band. She had to quit Hapkido and her piano lessons. She's now in college her first year. Things are strange thanks to Covid19 and now the Delta variant here in California. Last part of HS was done on line and her college classes are also online. And as is the norm here it seems, she has to take inane classes that have nothing to do with her chosen field, as an MD in psychiatry. It's very isolated to live in southern California right now. We thought it was over but then Delta reared it's ugly head.
Anyhow, my daughter also felt that high school in USA was like jail and that school was trying to teach her things that are the parents responsibility. She and I were utterly flabbergasted about these behavioral/attention grades: excellent, satisfactory etc. Crazy to us. As long as my daughter had the knowledge she needed in that subject, what business is it of the teacher/school to decide that she wasn't paying attention?
As for the jail comment. Students are not allowed to leave campus, not even in highschool. I don't get it. No freedom and in the hands of total control by the school. I for one don't think this is a good idea. They don't learn to venture out and caring for them selves. Go somewhere to eat lunch or have a "fika" to get a break from the school environment. While on that subject, why didn't the school have a class that thought the kids how to do things in every day life as adults. My daughter had no clue how to start a bank account for instance. All the things you need to know as an adult was completely ignored.
As for truant officers… It's the parents responsibility to make sure that their kids go to school. If they don't it should be reported to the parents. To have a stranger forcibly making you go back to school is abhorrent to me.
Hall passes… You need a pass to go to the bathroom. 😱 Having to sign out your 16-18 year old kid is very strange. She should just be able to leave. Letting the office know why.
We can't wait to get back to Sweden again, which will be soon, so we can feel normal and free. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate USA, there are good things here too, but I sure hate the school system. It's archaic and needs a complete overhaul.
I don't understand why "detention" is used as a form of punishment. It basically says "We know school sucks, therefore we are going to punish you by forcing you to stay."
You sort of validate the kids negative feelings about school by doing this.
Id rather just say, "if you're not going to be quiet or continue to distract, just go home. We don't want you here." Can't say that though.
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Fun fact. I'm currently studying to be a teacher (ages 15+)
In the swedish equivalent of high school "gymnasiet" (ages 15-18) compulsory school is not a thing, it's 100% voluntary (but you are expected to complete it because there is almost no chance you will get a job without graduating).
Legally we can do what you just said, if the person in question is disrupting his/her class we can tell them to GTFO.
Of course we are not supposed to do that though. But not on any legal ground but because there could be a chance to "salvage" the individual. Find out what makes the student behave this way and if we can find a way to make the student focus on his/her studies because many times it's not the students fault, some other factor is in play. And bottom line, stupid mistakes made when you are a teenager should'nt dictate your entire future.
But the absolute last option still remains. "You don't want to be here and you don't want our help? You don't have to be here and you don't ave to accept our help.
There is the fucking door, get out of my classroom and let students that actually have a future get on with their lives."
Sad, harsh and in the end ruthless because the student is on his/her way to a path of destruction and we must endeavor no never let that happen, but if it happens we must make sure other students aren't injured or follows this person down this path :(
@@Vollification I think it would benefit the student, the class as a whole, and the teacher if the student in question could take a sabbatical and work for a few weeks to either appreciate school and behave better or get a longterm job they'd prefer, with option to go back to school (not just GED) at any time. Thank you for the info. 😁
i liked the old grading system more, back when i was in school. MVG. VG and IG...And then one of my teacher made one new, just for fun it was the VE. = värdelös elev. "useless student" haha.. if a teacher would say anything like that in 2020, that person would be all over the news :D
My English teacher is called Andrew
Depends on the kommun but up here teacher buys their lunches. They only get free lunch if they are lunchroom “watchers”.
Been working at two swedish schools and get a free lunch
@@AndrewAustin check your tax might say förmån mat then i pay tax for those lunches
Acording to some random source most people have 15k usd in student loans.
@@justmeandi8256 Ofcorse it's for living costs... It's still student dept though and making Sweden look like an utopia with zero student dept is just stupid imo. Luckly the interest rates are "fair".
How is it with Students that have a Handicap like Autism? Do they have Special Schools in Sweden too like here in Germany? I'm asking this, because I am an autistic Person myself that had to go to a Special School, because of learning disabilities!
Yes we have special schools for autism and other disabilities
I believe in the US they just put them in regular schools...you know, for inclusion. They'll have special classes for "life skills" depending on how extreme the disability is (mild may have just one life skill period, extreme may have all or nearly all classes at life skills).
Sure, there are special schools for blind and such, but they are private and cost, unless you work out a scholarship or grant from a foundation.
In sweden we have schools for autism and other disabilities.
Though people with high functioning autism can go to regular school.
3:06 hold up, are students (even the young ones) expected to pay for food IN SCHOOL in US schools?
Parent has to prove they fall into poverty bracket (earn less than $14,000 USD(?)) to get free meals. During corona time, parents could do drive thru parking lot to get free meal for their kids if they qualified, even though schools were shut down.
As a Swede, I approve
National tests are a huge deal in Sweden I would say. If you do not do great on your national tests your grade will not turn out great at all. And the pressure on the students' are unreal.
I feel like your views are mostly right but it also seems like you work with younger kids. I would say that swedish school is really independent when you start High School or gymnasiet. Gymnasiet is not obligatory and you are responsible yourself fot your education.
If universitys in us were free. More ppl would get educated, get better jobs, pay more taxes, and spend more money in stores and services who can invest more and employ more, It pays for itself
We actuly have sport schools I sent to one with hockey te praktes from abount 6;30 to 8;00 am then they had normal clasis to 16;00 (4pm ) and they hade praktes in the evneng on 3-4days a week, they could have aboute 7dayes of prackes a week. We hade alsow the gril team with onely girels with difrent amaount of hockey knowlige
But tu paripitate in praktes you had to oss youre clases and if you wasent in a serten amaount of prakteses you couldent play in matches and i you couldent compet in a nuber of matches you got keect out of thé team
Bur you could alsow choose sometheng outside of normal clases and you elective witch is bands and coaiers and instrument that you preform on special dayes
I wish that sports were done by community exclusively, rather than just the school or combined. Teachers have to be coaches too and then the academics lag.
Do you have to speak swedish to teach?
Jag skulle säga ja, troligen. 😋
Det är lättare att lära sig än kinesiska 🇨🇳 eller ryska 🇷🇺.
Sweden has a few English language schools were a lot of the teachers are native English speakers, and at university level a lot of the education can be in English, but in general, yes, you probably have to speak some Swedish. Especially if you work with kids, who can't be expected to have that much of an English vocabulary yet.
Just curious, do you teach in Swedish or English?
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Jag tror att han menade språket 🏴🇸🇪. Jag är säker på att du pratar med dem när du undervisar.🎷📚
I think he meant the language. Im sure you converse with them when you're teaching. 😋
Andrew vad använder you för progamiringspeogram?
Hej
Vem mer är ifrån Sverige
9* year teaching but most people do 12 years with gymnasium
In the US the federal government doesn't control the schools, therefore this is no US system. They set some standards and expectations, provide a modicum of funding at university.
There are 50 states, thus 50 different systems, minimum. Each largely publicly funded by local tax, so Massachusetts is funded by Massachusetts tax payers with a curriculum that isn't identical to New York's.
Political rivalry in the US is largely the problem with the whole thing. The two main parties cannot agree on much if anything.
Americans are aware of all other ways, but those systems aren't implemented, because of the political dynamics in the US.
Political leanings are at the heart of the problem.
They changed us we are now 1 the 4 for being damn near impossible
With the way you describe it - the Sweden system seems better on every point.
In america is completely segregated. The property tax funding the public schools in the area is just complete and utter systematic segregation and could not be commented on in any other way than SHAMEFUL as fuq.
National tests are shit, in U.S and Sweden both.
Also, interest rates on student loans in Sweden is like 0,4% so the amount you pay back is actually less than what you borrowed in terms of monetary value.
I think that elevens val is in younger grades because im in grade nine and we do not have that
MissKittenBell we had it from 7th class to 9th but that was a long time ago
Sweden's tax base must be higher...but I'd rather have a high tax base with efficient support systems than a lower tax base with much more haphazard and red-tape juggling back and forth struggling -like we do in the U.S.
Really interesting video! I went to a folkhögskola (is there an equivalence in USA?) here in Sweden a couple of years back and spoke to a teacher there about school lunch (it was partially a boarding-school and lunch was added to the rent cost for students living there) and he said that studying required energy just as much as any other exercise and students that didn't eat lunch usually lacked the energy to keep up after lunch. With that in mind it's fairly easy to understand why lunch is free in Swedish schools - it benefits the learning ability of students. Of course, I didn't fact check that, but it made sense.
Yes we dont need metall detektor in Swedish schools. And schools are free .
Depends on where you are in the states doesn't it. There are some crazy fundamental christian schools etc in the south. On the other hand it also has some of the best schools. It's just a very unequal playingfield, which is funny coming from a country that prides itself on "the american dream" and capitalism. Just my two cents
I actually seen a teacher application form from a christian school. It asked for my signature on a faith statement saying I believe the earth is only 6000 years old [despite evidence to the contrary]. There are protections for students not believing exact articles of faith, but not for teachers. And this position was not for a religion class. I also was not applying to be the priest. Does sweden have protections against such discrimination?
Jag såg faktiskt en läraransökningsformulär från en kristen skola. Den bad om min underskrift på ett trosförklaring som säger att jag tror att jorden bara är 6000 år gammal [trots bevis på motsatsen]. Det finns skydd för elever som inte tror exakta trosartiklar, men inte för lärare. Och denna ståndpunkt var inte för en religionsklass. Jag ansökte inte heller om att vara präst. Har sverige skydd mot sådan diskriminering?
You don't need to argue on this point, everyone thinks the swedish grading system sucks! Students and teachers alike
Nice try to tell about Swedish schools, yeah they can be great altso.
Is it just me who think that people in sport in school in the USA dont have to study and get away with everything just because " they are the stars"?
¡ must admit that my education was hard cause being normal student ¡ went to advanced school and had to work hard, cause my parents consider that public education was soft,..
It’s important to push yourself to do hard things to survive you know what ¡ mean?
¡ am not a super-intelligence, just improved intelligence.., :)
Man, here you have free education too but.., you know,.. get used to do hard things,.. public education is low..,
What do I need to live in sweeden? I want to be an English teacher so I can travel around different countries and learn about different cultures.
This vaucher thing let sweden fall down in the PISA ranking. Competition is not a good thing in educational system. Money should go to school with problems.
Yeah I’m not a fan of it. It gives the kids and parents too much power and makes schools afraid to loose kids and money. On paper it sounds great , but in practice a kid that needs help or support and or has a learning disability parent’s might send their kids to another school. Or kids with a kid who has behavior problems might move from school to school rather then address the problem.
@@AndrewAustin as a teacher myself, I could see how children with particular needs could bring positiv things to all the classmates. It pushes to be inventive and more involve. And all parents are happy at the end!
Utbildning är en rättighet, inte en skyldighet.
Is it true that schools in Ohio teach kids absolutely zero about sexuality and reproductive health? I heard that from a friend who studied in Ohio for a year, according to her most of her friends were completely clueless about where babies come from, STI's, and all that. /Swede 👋 Love your channel!
No 1: It's forbidden to homeschool in Sweden. We have a deuty to go to school. So ye, they have to feed the kid's in schools. And they can't throw them out of school no, because it is against the law not to go to school in Sweden. Maby that's the number 1 difference. And it's free ...
Actually it's not forbidden, you just have to get a permit. Be able to prove that the education you provide is at least as good and you need to have a valid reason. Not forbidden.
Källa: www.skolverket.se/regler-och-ansvar/ansvar-i-skolfragor/hemundervisning
@@JohanYlinenjarvi and that is nearly impossible. If you don't have a severe diagnostic problem. A severe! There is a handful that get the premission. Swedish perents move out of the country to homeschool! And if you talk about it you're in deap water. Consensus is important in Sweden not democracy. People go out of Sweden to put their children in better schools to. It's a growing trend.
Where do you put a student that hits others, distracts everyone, disrupts learning, etc? Is there a cubicle h-ll for these students away from other students? How are they dealt with?
I prefer honorifics.
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Yea I think everybody in Sweden hates utvecklingssamtal haha
The Swedish school system is bad even tetcher think so