Why More Americans Are Choosing Swedish Schools
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2020
- Joshua Carney
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Hello Andrew. I am watching this video for a second time because my husband and I are having hard time figuring out how we find a home for our family of 5 in Stockholm. We are still in the US right now and we are planning our move to Stockholm but finding a home online for our family is difficult. Can you please make a video with this man with advice on how he found his home for his family?? This would be so helpful! Keep up your work I really appreciate learning from your videos! Thank you for this!
So many swedes complain 24/7 about how everyting is so bad. There are things that could do with a bit of change but it is fantastic to hear the perspektives of someone who can compare us to other nations. One quickly realices how great Sweden is and how spoiled we are with our systems that are in place. Thanks for a great video🖖
Yeah it's definitely refreshing to hear another perspective. As someone who's born and raised here in Sweden my entire life, I definitely need to appreciate it more.
@@rarrex12345 Well I can agree on that but I still can't appreciate our summer to some amount when it comes to sleep
But if you compare Swedish schools with other countries, Sweden has lost performance against other countries every year for the past 20 years. Nevertheless, the budget per student is one of the highest in Europe. So there is a lot that can be improved in the school.
But if you look at it overall, Sweden belongs to the group of countries that work best. Together with Norway, Iceland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland and New Zealand.
I think the criticism is merited. Just because the Swedish schools are good doesn't mean that we have to accept a deliberate lowering of quality.
No doubt things could be done to make them better. I for one prefer a little more consequences for actions. Call me old school
I like that swedish schools teach their students how to learn things and continue doing so for the rest of your life.
they do ? and at the same time the teachers dont care thats my experience -I had a math teacher who liked to teach the prettiest girls -I m a facist in a way -meaning If you think im not worth i wont care shit -I had a row with my aunt -I didnt talk for 20 years with her ,I didnt care period
@@jari2018 had a row? Det du beskriver är en dålig lärare.
@@jari2018 I had a teacher just like that but can't blame the school's for that! Can blame the school system for a lot of things but not one teacher 😂 The school system need to be rebuilt because most of the shit you learn you don't remember a week later because it's useless facts about some war told by the winner so the loser was always the bad guys and so on.. It should be more made to give you as much time as possible for the things you are interested in
Thank you Andrew for the opportunity 🙏
I am sorry i looked now at your name 😉 but Thank You
@@hannaskoog7897 no stress
Joshua I just want to commend the incredibly articulate, thoughtful and reasoned explanation you provided. I am in a similar situation, although I am from Australia originally. Our son is at a pre-school now but we have applied to an English school for when he is older. We might have to reconsider slightly!
@@oskarfrankl6030 thank you 😊 also, we keep going back and forth ourselves. I think it also depends on if you have ambitions to move back or to another country. Many moving parts
Thanks for these perspectives! My 4 year old has been in förskola for about a year after we moved from the US. We had initially applied for a space for her in International School but ended up finding a trilingual school within Stockholm Stad that she loves. I think there are a lot of great points raised about the Swedish system, already my friends in America with kids the same age are dealing with their kids sitting all day long, while here they are outside so much and learn by doing. So far I feel good about our decision to put her in the Swedish system.
Maybe Joshua idealised a little bit on the other hand in Swedish media and discussions it's mostly focused on the negative aspects of our schools so it's nice to have some perspective. Probably the truth is somewhere in between
Well it's also him comparing to the States. Something that he thinks is amazing could be something that has become worse in Sweden through the years, but is still 10x better then it is in the States.
Super informative, I am swedish and went to school in the US but my sisters when to school in Sweden and I agree on your points! Just affirming why I am moving back
Thank you so much for doing this! We are a family of 5 working on moving to Sweden next year and more videos like this would be sooo helpful!
welcome.
I would recommend you to do more research about Sweden and Swedish schools. It used to be good here, but it is turning sour.
I personally would not want to raise children in this country anymore.
@@Johan_g Låt mig gissa; allt är invandrarnas, flyktingarnas, feministernas och sossarna/vänsterns fel?
@@Ethilien hahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
@@Johan_g So what are you comparing with? What’s your personal experience or have your just read about this? I’ve gone to school in three different countries and even though the standard in Swedish schools have gone down in some areas over the last 20 years, Swedish schools are still damn good in comparison. When it comes to producing well rounded, civilised, creative and responsible individuals, Swedish schools are really at the top. As always, it depends on where you live. There are always problems in major urban areas with low socioeconomic status but it’s the same all over the world. There is a LOT more violence, segregation and bad standardised test results in schools in many other developed nations. Just look at the school shootings in the USA. Did you know that there are people in the US that wants armed guards in schools and that in some schools you have to go through security with metal detectors to enter the building? Tell me I’m wrong when we reach that stage. In Sweden I feel that my kids are safe in school and I know they get a good educational package.
in sweden you work to live..
you dont live to work...
to be honest thats the mindset of most Scandinavian nations in one way or another.
I really like how you emphasize the free meals. I feel like being hungry because of financial issues is something not everyone will understand if you have grown up in Sweden and I guess the free meal plays a big part in that issue.
En vän jag växte upp med fick typ ingen mat hemma så skolans mat rädda honom!
Maaaaan, I'm so old....can't believe it's (counting....dammit, I need more fingers) 33 years since I finished school! Those were the days!
Keep them excellent videos coming! 🤜🏻🤛🏻🍻
It's nice to hear about the good sides of Swedish education for a change. I'm a teacher and I'm tired of the complaints we hear all the time in media and we are really better than that.
Teachers don't get a free lunch everywhere. It depends on the school and if you eat with the kids.
Thank you so much for your videos, I'm moving to Sweden soon and these have helped me so much! Keep doing what you're doing!
Really like kind of video with guests and this format. Intresting stuff 👍
Thank you!!! We're planning our move for next May. This gives a lot of great information.
This was interesting to watch. Its always fun to hear different point of views or different angles. For a future video it would be nice to see more of a discussion between you guys. Or perhaps even invite a third or fourth person who, perhaps contrary to you, are more positive to the american schools and have a discussion about what the pros and cons are of each.
As a swede I was critical of my schools growing up. I found everything very planned out in advance and never really adapted to what I or the other children were interesting in, which made many of us lose interest. So I am happy to hear that teachers are allowed to be more creative nowdays. It should make school a bit more fun which should increase learning.
Thank you so much for this!
Will share to some friends thinking about moving to Sweden or Canada after this pandemic thing is over with.
Have you made a CZcams on how to go about to make a move to Sweden? ( I’ll make sure to go through all videos after writing this)
The process from making the decision to all paperwork and dealing with both the immigration laws etc.
If not, that would be interesting.
Thanks for always producing great content!
good video. Want to se more in this format
Coming from TikTok! This is Brilliant. You guys are amazing!
I really liked this video. I liked to hear both your views on a this subject, Swedish schools. A little more facts and a tiny bit of history would go a long way for those who live outside Sweden and unfamiliar with this. I am a Swede and I am familiar with our school system.
One or two more videos about this topic would be nice. But I think it would be really nice and interesting to hear you talk about is differences in voting systems and how parenting differs. You can do really interesting videos just talk how you find Sweden from your first generation perspective. You have done the immigration travel, in reverse, like my great-grandmother did to America more than 100 years ago.
loved this video!
I loved this. I talk about these kinds of subjects all the time.
I like this format.
Wide-screen is just a fad. It'll all go back to square screens 😋
A little extra comment on Joshua regarding feeling and wanting to be a part of society: As a kid and individual you feel like you are worth the same, we are all worth the same and I don't have to be the 1% to be ok and make friends and contacts from all walks of life. I can be a doctor, worker at the supermarket or cleaner and still be just as worthy anybody. What this does to self esteem and mental health.
Very thoughtful! 👌
Thank you so much
I love to be a teacher in Sweden
Mentorship is a really important function. Also with that a kids and parents can have certain expectations on where to turn on everything that goes around the kid. Say example that the kid have some issues, they can then turn to their coach for that. The parents can have a open discussion about the child's progress, development but also health. A holistic approach. For example with utvecklingssamtal.
Though in reality, many kids and students don't feel like they have any connection with their main teacher/coach at all. Like you have to be lucky to get someone that cares and works for your needs. And this comes back to the stupid amount of work a teacher has, that they don't have the time for the kids as they would have wanted or needed.
I will also voice some critics.
Yes you do have alot of freedom as a teacher on how you teach and do it with some level of creativity, but you do also have Skolverket and its standardized writings to follow on what teachers and children are expected to teach and learn.
The Swedish school do have a problems with less people passing gymnasium and grundskola. Alot of teachers have a huge problem with not having a salary that mirrors the work they are doing. Being a teacher has never been as not attractive as it is now. Because it comes with so much stress and being expected to do more then you can manage, and that both students and teachers feel that Sweden looks more and more to the American school for standardizing to solve it's problems, example on how we politically are turning to have more and more grades in lower ages, some political parties wants to have it from daycare, age 6 and 10. And more and more privatizing of school.
Though, with Swedens situation on housing, availability and pricing, you do often feel as a young adult that if I don't have rich parents or don't have a university degree, you feel like youre stuck and f***ed on getting a apartment. So it's like you're forced to get a higher degree anyway.
love you guys♥️🌸😎🇸🇪
Is it just me or does Joshua have a dash of swedish accent in his speech melody?
learning for me was hard in school as a disorganized person i zone out anything that i dont have an interest in or of any value to me like math and homework, i never understood the point of homework and i only figured it out in my late school years as i never got a decent answer on why we have to do it because it waste so much free time from school.
I would love to live in Sweden! I've been trying to figure out how for years 😄
It's more difficult now, but if you get a job first it will be easier.
I would agree that one of my greatest concerns about schools in The US are the school shootings :(
What kind of people do we need ti create a society ? I would say we need all kind: bakers, garbage-collectors, CEOs, nurces etc. When we need all these people, why should we not give them living wages ?
Hi, I think you are spot on. I only have the perspective as a student 20 years ago but individual freedom to choose many of the subjects you study and at which level. From 7-9 grade we could in general decide which direction we would like to go and for example "advanced" math or general math which has the benefit that it's challenging for students like myself to pursue science and not force student who are not at all interested in math to potentially fail and not being able to pursue gymnasium where back then you had a set of core subjects that you had to pass. I went on studying natural science with an emphasis on technology which was a perfect preparation for university and a degree in computer science.
I remember that my total student debt was under 200k kroner after 4 years which was not hard to pay of because. 1 Its only expenses for living and books, 2 it's a loan with an interest rate just slightly above the national interest rate. I did work every summer doing hard physical work! Which allowed me to get my motivation in order for sure and to survive the summers and have extra money for vacations abroad, buying stuff you need etc.
That was a long time ago but it sounds like today's schools are quite similar in many respects to way back when I was a student. 😀
Also, the fact that not much pressure is put on the smallest children from class 1-3 is important because not everyone is maturing at the same rate.
Just a heads up on schools. If picking a private school instead of regular then it is very possible that you find yourself in a school based on hierarchy and bullying is just a normal day in those schools. Rich kids control everything in those schools. Education is no better then the education in regular schools. We have this swedish author Jan Guillou who made his experience into a book that were extremely tough to read but also was somewhat of a "heroic" story of a poor kid refusing to be the rich students toy, 'Onskan' in swedish.
Edit, just wanna point out that obviously not all private schools are like that but you still have a higher chance to find hierarchy in a private school then normal.
Thank You Andrew for This excellent video.. i am 38 now but it is a looong time ago i was in school i graduated 2001 ... now my Son is 15 years ha ha hi is very good at school.. at least when he lived at my place haha but now he lives with his father but he is fine there (Gävle) ... i dont understand the other mans name but Thank You .... and stay safe ok
What's there to understand about a name???
beorlingo I wanted to say Thank You to him to but now i can see it and said that ☺️
@@hannaskoog7897 aha, you did not percieve what his name was! I get it!
Is universitetet and collage the same thing?
I find that there is no one system of schooling/teaching that would fit all. Some kids will never benefit from going to schools as we know them. I believe we need to rethink what education of kids could/should be.
I wish we had the opportunity of distance schooling in Sweden. Having it establish now when we tried it during covid19. Totally fine if some want to have traditional schooling. Other people get to choose distance or home schooling.
I liked this Video
May I ask what conscription in sweden is like? Just curious
It's optional.
Military is a job like everything else.
You need a certain grade from school.
Your physical form, psychie and swedish language is tested to even be able to work within the military.
The payment is pretty good.
Semi-optional. Basically it is hardcore camping depending on what you get selected for. It's not fun to do but fun to have done. You still have rights and are not put in an inordinate amount of danger. It also looks good on a CV. You will be kicked out if you can't keep up so one can always just be deliberately bad or unstable. You also have the right to refuse to bear arms in which case you might be required to perform a non-military training, generally health-care related.
Secondly Sweden doesn't send recruits to war. Indeed it sends nothing to wars. It sends some peace-keepers for international missions which are an entirely voluntary force to which one can apply after military service is completed. Sweden has been at peace for 200+ years and its entire military and geopolitical stance is purely defensive.
Hi Andrew!
I would appreciate if you'd talk about new's programs in Sweden and in the US.
I try to follow US news but I feel like CNN, MSNBC, FOX(if you even can call that "news") etc are all so polarized and it's hard to listen to because the hosts are all so emotional and obviously opinionated.
What channel has the most objective news?
I agree. American news are very politicised and polarised compared to Swedish news. Some people complain about Swedish news biased but it’s absolutely NOTHING compared to most nations. I feel we get rather nuanced and unbiased news. Unless you go for the really extreme news sources and tabloids.
Personally in that situation I would have tried to get my children into Finnish school. Swedens international rankings has been in freefall for the last decade or so, perhaps leveling out a bit lately (going by information from the back of my head - don't take my word for all of this). If it was ALL about school, I think that would have been the most viable descision. Anyway, thanks 4 the vid.
You do know that Finland is another country, not another county?
@@ViffeNify Yes ofcourse? In what way was i unclear regarding that? I figured since he's staying in Sweden solely for his childrens schooling, i would suggest trying to get into Finland for that very reason instead. That's all.
Maybe if you do know that in Finland there are schools all in the Swedish language, and even universities operating in Swedish, then a decision to move to Finland from Sweden doesn't seem so strange. The Swedish dialect spoken in Finland can be trained with the videos about the Moomin family, like this: czcams.com/video/0PA05OceOkQ/video.html
In a week you are fully comfortable with the small differences.
@JPeter Robertsson No, they where taken out. You have to have been in school for at least a year to be in PISA.
@JPeter Robertsson But the same can be said for germany, denmark, and other countries too. They didn't make the same dip, and they didn't exclude 11% of the participants because "They felt bad for them"
the three reason are pretty much the same, they actually learn real things of life that will help them grow and become productive people and members of society, unlike the usa which is all based on feelings and stuff that is "racists"
I have a master's degree and still live in the lower middle class (prior the pandemic. Now unemployed). Get to know your country and environment. School is a waste if the government tolerates occupational abuse by institutions. Pay in my country is abysmal and only a handful of professions can be "rich".
"... the safety (at Swedish schools)...."
Me living in Trollhättan: *2015 flashbacks*
He's not wrong. Swedish schools are generally incredibly safe but still; it's a little bit ironic
lol I so can agree with this...
When i grew up i was super scared of going to school because i was the bullied kid and the teachers we had, sure didn't do much to help me at all... honestly it seemed more like they actively avoided me because they were afraid of conflicts. But I agree the schools ain't terrible, they teach you well enought and school lunches ain't bad. However they really need to learn how to deal with troubled students better(I mean both the ones causing trouble and the students who feel bad), calling in the social services can't be the only way for them to do anything about every single thing.
Lunch is not free though. You have to buy coupons Andrew. All teacher pay for their lunch or bring their own lunch from home that the heat in the staff room. Each coupon costs 20 Swedish crowns. That is standard for most Elementary schools around Sweden. If you are getting free lunch everyday someone in the work force is misleading you as the see that you are American. They may think that they are just being kind. Children are provided with free lunch and Milk or fruit breaks by the State though. Not staff.
I have worked at two different schools in Sweden. Lunch was free for both, but we did have a fika with the staff. Teachers are expected to eat lunch with students and always be making sure the kids are OK. So it is seen as a paid lunch at both schools because lunch for us is not a break. We donated to the fika fund so we had food, but lunch was always free for me.
@@AndrewAustin I have worked in the entire county in Linköping as a substitute teacher. I, wherever I landed, was directed to buy lunch coupons. They cost 20crowns each. Fika in the staff rooms always was free. I now am located in Norrköping, I experience the same thing. Pedagogy lunch means you sit with the children of the class you lead before the lunch break. It doesn't mean free lunch for teachers. Not as much as my experience has shown me. Remember we met on the same bus on the way to work. Are you still out in Veta kloster? But hey, if you are getting free lunches, good for you! Maybe I oughta try your method! 😉
Yeah I remember you. I am not saying you are wrong. Just both places I worked lunch was free and we only paid 20sek on days the kids were not there.
@@AndrewAustin Even paying 20sek I am pretty sure the school makes a monetary loss for that lunch.
No, I have worked in schools where I got a free lunch. Now I have to pay 40 SEK/lunch. Both of these schools were in the same kommun. Each school decides.
Nooooo! The topic of your livestream seamed so interesting. What happened? Was he a troll? :/
@Andrew correct me if I am wrong but there is no such thing as a free lunch'es you pay extra taxes for the "free" meal
It's free for the individual at the time. Well deserved aswell imo.
You get a lot in return for your taxes in Sweden, unlike many other places that will rather spend on bombs than education how to prevent conflict.
Jonas Åman, by that logic the word "free" can never be used. Because nothing is ever truly free if you get pedantic about it. There is always somebody paying.
What free usually means is that it is free upon point of usage/reception. Whether you get a lunch or not does not depend on exactly what you paid in taxes. "Not free" implies you pay directly what it costs upon receiving that good.
@Joakim von Anka
> that he thinks that the word free ( as in Free Lunch ) should indeed never be used at all.
That is an extremists position. You argue that a useable word should not be used, because you simply don't understand what it means.
Free has never meant what you imagined it to mean. It means free at point of usage. You need a word to describe this situation. We are not going to invent entirely new words, just so we can cater to your anti-tax ideology.
That is bonkers.
@Joakim von Anka
> No, that is simply one logical position based on what a word means. It requires no invention of new words.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. You would have to articulate yourself better.
Gaming videos?
You want me to do some streaming and gaming?
@@AndrewAustin If you do I suggest making a 2nd channel to keep it separate.
"you might ask why would you choose that" um no. i would ask why wouldn't you? and what is the alternative? you live in Sweden, then you go to swedish school.
Actually there are alternatives if you want them but it’s an active choice.