Was Ngannou Robbed? Fury vs Ngannou Breakdown | Fury's Legacy | What's Next for Ngannou & Fury
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- Teddy Atlas and co-host Ken Rideout do a full fight break down on Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou in Riyadh. They discuss who won the fight and if Ngannou was robbed, the boxing legends in attendance, Teddy’s scorecard for the fight, and the potential of Fury vs Usyk, they finish off by talking about Foster vs Hernandez.
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00:48 - Teddy’s experience in Riyadh for Fury vs Ngannou
12:14 - Fury vs Ngannou Breakdown
46:20 - Teddy’s scorecard for the fight
57:40 - Fury vs Usyk?
1:36:34 - Boxing & UFC Legends in Attendance
1:47:46 - Foster vs Hernandez
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00:48 - Teddy’s experience in Riyadh for Fury vs Ngannou
12:14 - Fury vs Ngannou Breakdown
46:20 - Teddy’s scorecard for the fight
57:40 - Fury vs Usyk?
1:36:34 - Boxing & UFC Legends in Attendance
1:47:46 - Foster vs Hernandez
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fury won the fight but ngannou won the war, if only ngannou had more experience could've got fury outta there if he cut the ring off and pressed him with body shots to open him up. ill say give ngannou 2 more years in boxing, he'll be a lot better see more openings
ShowBizz The Adult. Says. By the Sxore Cards. Fury Won the Last Round. Fury Won. 1 More Round than Francis. Dangs
Ngannou never even had one amateur boxing fight.
All that event was designed to do was help a great fighter gain maximum leverage in dealings with pro boxing and MMA productions allowing him to play one against the other. The gypsies got paid, put on a spectacular(yet deceptive) show and played the industry and general public just like gypsies do. Kudos to the Furys. Congrats to Ngannou. Big 💰 payday(s) on the way. 😛🤑🤡👍🙌
Here’s how I think about it Teddy:
If the fighters were reversed, who wins? In other words:
1) Fury dropped Ngannou
2) Fury was NEVER in trouble
3) At the end of the fight Ngannou had a cut and black eye, and Fury had no damage
Should Ngannou get the win?
I get it Teddy, you want to protect your beloved sport. But truly protecting it means calling out corruption where you see it, as you’ve always done btw.
Our first clue to a rigged decision win for Fury was obvious, in retrospect: They had already booked a title fight with Aleks.
And also, let’s keep it real. A lot of elites would have lost a LOT of betting money if Ngannou had won by decision, which was the LEAST likely outcome in the betting books.
I love you Teddy, but you slipped here, and it’s OK, everyone gets a pass sometimes :)
Keep up the good work.
Teddy is just AWESOME. Period.
Facts from Chael P
He sure is. This is exactly what all the fans needed to hear.
Yessir! I see Chael P is spending his busy morning listening to Teddy too, respect!
I imagined you crossing your leg as you said it.
ahah lets go!!! MMA's own BADGUY!!!!
Fury was expecting an easy fight. When he felt Francis’ power he got worried, and when he went down he got scared of a massive disaster happening, and he never recovered his correct composure from the 3rd round on, because he also realised Francis refused to be bullied, refused to be leaned on, refused to be grabbed all night, and was as cool as a cucumber all night, and fury’s punches were like TAPS to him.
Spot on according to my eyes. I got this completely wrong in thinking this was a waste of time. Never been more wrong, Fury embarrassed boxing and ruined his legacy in the sport. Just my opinion.
@@RP-zm9kh I agree. I used to be a big Fury fan but I can’t stand him for the past two years or so. When he started ducking usyk and okay Whyte was a mandatory but Chisora? That should never have been allowed to happen. But Fury was the WBC ‘golden boy’ and they would’ve let him do Chisora 4 after that if he’d wanted it. Then not defending against ANYONE this past year, and having this cross over fight with Ngannou pisses me off as well, because I was like you and thought it was a foregone conclusion? Now I’m GLAD it happened. Fury was becoming a right braggart like his big mouth dad, and by god did both of them need taking down a peg or two. And thank god Francis decked him! It was a fantastic moment wasnt it! The whole world saw him for what he is, a BULLY who wasn’t getting away with it that fight. Someone big enough to be his equal, stronger than him, and I’m just so glad it happened. I just wish Francis had been told he had to win the last two rounds big. He could’ve done it. He wasn’t that gassed. And he was in no danger from fury as he has an iron chin. 👍
More like little kisses not TAPS, lol😅
pretty well said. Francis kept his composure and tyson after the knockdown was not quite there after, because he got in his head that he could loose which he never taught for a moment until then. Fury was uncommonly unprecise , never hit one uppercut and missed most of his big shots. Francis did great with that few weapons he has bt the greatest weapon was his head
Tippy tappy sugar plum fairy. With pillow fists. The Gypsy King's legacy.😂
I respect Teddy a lot for giving props to Dewey Cooper. Dewey allowed Mike Tyson to take the lead for Francis to learn, you can see it on a video Mike Tyson uploaded to his channel. He, being an elite level striking coach, said Yes Sir to Mike Tyson's commands, and to me that is admirable, he was a true positive agent of change and leveling up. Thanks Teddy for recognizing Dewey.
Fury himself stated that he trained well and he did not underestimate him at all, Ngannou is just that good. "Ngannou has 20 years boxing experience. Ngannou is one in a million athlete. This was not his debut fight. He's not a novice. Ngannou is a seasoned fighter." --Teddy Atlas
Tyson never took the lad, he was payed by the arabs to act as his trainer, and for sure he showed him some small things, but Dewey did the work and is responsible for his training, Tyson was more a feel good prop, lead, not even remotely
@@karlanal1 haha
Dewey has helped many great strikers for many years! Ask some young guys coming up as well. Underrated striking coach
Look up “Joseph Brown” he’s an absolute phenomenal under Dewey cooper now. 2nd fastest ko at his age only 1 second behind iron Mike Tyson. Also Muay Thai champion for his age. Think the kids only 16-17 but he’s the future of combat sports if he keeps it up
It takes Teddy a while to get there, but he eventually hits the nail right on the head, and he does so at 43 minutes in, Ngannous was Rocky in real life, including the early surprise knockdown letting the world know this man is in a fight.
😂
nah he was straight spitting for the whole episode, francis was built for the furnace and teddy nailed it
To quote Apollo Creed "man I won, but I didn't beat him."
Ngannou was brilliant but it helps that Fury has been massively overrated basically since beating Windmill.
Ngannou is a very unique individual. A super athlete when he is at his best. He's physically gifted in a way that billions of other human beings are not. He showed up on the MMA scene, seemingly out of nowhere. He wasn't a college wrestler, he didn't have five years of Juijitsu under his belt. When he started MMA he had a little boxing training and nothing else. He no doubt worked hard and continued to improve but he rose to the top and took the UFC title because he had a genetic gift for blasting fighters into unconsciousness. As well as other gifts. So he came on to the boxing scene in an even more spectacular way.
Exactly that's what everyone is failing to see when they class him as an MMA guy, even in MMA he was the one with the least experience. They fail to see this guy is just a special human, gifted with will power and also an ability to learn new things like no one else.
Everyone at the top is a genetic freak! You don’t think 6’9 Tyson Fury isn’t a freak? Youre diminishing Francis’s abilities.
I could take him, when I’m mad bro I just see red
You're describing every "successful" person who ever lived. Albert Einstein, Buzz Aldrin, Barak Obama, Genghis Khan, Marie Curie, Joe Rogan, etc... Btw, none of the above had a worse life than Francis Ngannou.
@@bluceree7312 Ngannou is alive. Plenty of murdered people had it worse.
When Francis first made it to France he wanted to be a boxer. He trained as a boxer. Then his gym convinced him to get in to MMA. Not like he's been training as a boxer his entire career, but he's not some wrestler or BJJ guy that decided to box like Jake Paul seems to like boxing. I thought Francis won the fight. Francis doesn't have a mark on him, Tyson looks like he got beat up.
I said t h e same thing about haney vs loma..Loma's face looked beat up..devins face did not
Yea, the MMA guys that do decently in boxing like Mcgregor & Francis had a boxing background, tried boxing, or mainly fought standing and striking in MMA.
Yeah I completely agree man and people don't realize Francis is a freak athlete...prob has good muscle memory
I had it even and either could have won but I don't score fights on face markings or bruising. So many fighters bruise easier or cut easier then others.
Stop it. "Training" as a Boxer and calling yourself a legit Boxer are 2 different things. He never fought once, amateur or professional before the weekend. He literally has ZERO Boxing (fight) experience. And he was massively helped by a Fury that thought it'd be an easy night and isn't as great as people would have us believe. I mean, in Francis and De-on-tay, Fury's got dropped by 2 guys who literally don't know how to box.
Finally, someone analyzed calmly and shared good insights 👏I tried to ignore the cheers of the crowd, muted it, and rewatched the match. I can see more clearly that Fury did win fairly, he won on the scorecard and in terms of boxing rules cuz landed many more clean shots and jabs successfully. Ofc, Francis was the one pressing forward and had much heavier punches. Fury attempted clinching rather than exchanging punches in later rounds but was still unsuccessful, which didn't drain Francis's energy but ended up exhausting himself instead. These are facts, but these facts won't result in Francis getting points so it wasn't robbery.
And I think many people are just turncoats, time-servers. They will keep saying how terrible Fury's performance was now, calling it a disgrace to boxing. But I see that his performance wasn't significantly different from when he fought Wilder. The biggest difference is that Francis seemed unfazed after taking punches, unlike Wilder. The real disgrace is these time-servers who mocked Francis before the match, then rebuked Fury afterward with a hundred remarks and just lightly praised Francis. This behavior, finding someone to downplay, disrespects both Fury and Francis. These ppl are a true disgrace 🤡
Teddy: "The reason he shocked so many people is the same reason he didn't win the fight. By not overdoing it he wasn't making mistakes." Once again Teddy sees things most of us don't. Ngannou's lack of action also hurt him. Thank you the great Teddy Atlas.
From a certain point of view, not putting any kind of significant pressure post knockdown could be considered a mistake.
This is genius to be honest because its so obvious but never thought of it
Hahaha
because of what people were expecting, any shot he landed, counted as 2 to the casuals. no way Ngannou won, and the entire internet went into "its a robbery" .... 95/94 Fury was the best score I can get too
Ngannou won that fight though, no doubt about it.
Francis didn't come in with the thought "I'm just a okay boxer" he came with " I'm a fighter", plain and simple.
Yes Fury won the match but Francis won the fight and we all know what that means. Francis is the baddest man on earth for it. Fury would be smart to run if he saw Francis in a back alley
@@thimsile cringe
@@TheGM-20XX Explain yourself son
That's what I took from it aswell
Thats wat most mma fighters are FIGHTERS.
most boxers are BOXERS
That the problem is that most boxers are trying to be more than just boxers.. because they were at one point the alpha sport..
Top alpha sport were they can manhandle and beat the crap out of anybody is MMA point blank. Thats what going on. People finding out lol
Always love listening to Teddy Atlas and Kennys podcast. Not only about it's about boxing and fighting it, he enters into the philosophy of human nature, business, geography, politics and everything so subtly that he is telling a wonderful story about the evolution of the sports.
I subscribed him from the beginning while I was back in my country Nepal, where everytime a major fight ends, I would always tune in for his show. I am in Germany now but still no matter what time is it, no matter how busy I am (as I was listening the whole podcast during my kitchen time), I will manage to find time to listen.
Hopefully I get a chance to meet you one day.
Couldn’t wait to get out of work to hear Teddys thoughts. My biggest take away is I am qualified to be a boxing judge and mma judge. Beyond that I totally agree that the level of control Francis displayed cost him any chance of winning on the cards. Fury stealing rounds is due to experience and that’s one lesson he did give to Francis.
Doesn't seem like that was the takeaway lesson for Francis. He thinks he was robbed of the win.
I hear ya. I’m hoping after his team calms down and goes over the tape in an effort to improve Francis someone will kinda give him the perspective teddy talked about. Discuss with him a way to increase his odds of winning. And if u think u won that’s great but let’s see if we can improve and win by more
Appear weak when you are strong - The Art of War. Francis needn’t go 100% in his public workouts or try to be overbearing in any aspect of the fight. He simply handled business when it was time.
Fury himself stated that he trained well and he did not underestimate him at all, Ngannou is just that good. "Ngannou has 20 years boxing experience. Ngannou is one in a million athlete. This was not his debut fight. He's not a novice. Ngannou is a seasoned fighter." --Teddy Atlas
Exactly 🎉🎉
Ngannou became a boxer to fight Tyson Fury. Fury put food on his table.
Man Teddy is truly one of the best minds in combat sports and just in general as a human as well, much love dudes.
The shade he gave Tyson was insane i know they have past but TYSON did a WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JUST SHOW UP FOR AN PHOTO OPP. I known it hurts your soul to Give Tyson Credit but give credit when credit it do. Tyson was not only training but coaching and motivating.
Im so glad mma community has given Teddy atlas respect and he is at 300k subs. His striking breakdowns are top tier out of all analaysts out there
I think it's because he doesn't dismiss them as strikers. Others tend to do that. Doesn't help when you have people like Tyron Woodley doing what he did against Paul.
He does not have 300k
His boxing analysis is top tier, his overall striking analysis is sht on a stick. He isn't good at striking outside of boxing.
@@mrrooster4876 meant to specify *hands* but felt like youd get the point
@@rong805Not just Woodley Jake Paul was toying with mma guys.
Talk about the illegal elbow that Ngannou ate for breakfast. That KSI KO elbow didn't even make Ngannou flinch. Should had been an automatic point deduction, but I guess it was completely ignored for the man named Tyson Fury.
Imagine Ngannou hit him with that same old school "pretend to hook but actually elbow them" shit
1. instant dq, the entire boxing community shits their pants in anger
2. they would have to surgically reattach Fury's his head to his body
Clearly unintentional. Missed a shopping right hand. Remember this is a man who hit himself in the face with an uppercut in a fight.
@@jtaco4101not the same. The elbow was surely intentional.
@@teddydaloNgannou did a heat butt on Fury, he was getting desperate for the KO.
It was more a graze then anything
The filling the gaps analysis is perfect, not just for this fight or circumstances, but for many times (usually when you're a fan of the guy you're backing) - Teddy with a great insight yet again.
Loving these round by round anaylsis Teddy! Please do them more often for big fights :)
Ngannou was not robbed, Fury won 96-93 winning 7 outta the 10 rounds. People who know boxing scoring know that Tyson was doing enough to win most of the rounds. Francis did great in the fight and the biggest surprise of the fight was how quick and crisp Francis's counter left hook was. That punch threw Fury off until he adjusted.
Also it seemed like Fury in his mind thought he would just walk in and KO him round 1 and kept trying to be ultra aggressive and that is kind of why he got caught cause he wasn't fighting like himself. But it is crazy how many people think this was a robbery as if only the round that the knockdown happened is the only round of the fight.
No I watched that fight 3 times just cause teddy says so does not make it tru he can't say fransic only lost by 1 point fury lost he got beat up he never not one time landed an effective punch show me one effective punch he landed and I'll call bs fury is absolutely trash and will gets destroyed by usyc if it ain't a tko it will be a shut out
That’s why boxing is boring to me, I like MMA because it’s based on who does the most damage, and here in boxing you have one coward running away the entire time getting fucked up and knocked down, only throwing little tickle jabs which do nothing, and on top of that gets dropped, and somehow he wins, it’s not a fight, anyone with eyes could see the guy who won looks like he got fucked up and the guy who lost doesn’t have a scratch on him, it’s silly
@@antonvoltchok7794 MMA has rules too. No headbutting etc. That is such a effective technique, but it's illegal in MMA.
100% agree
you're crazy, Fury landed plenty of nice right hands down the pipe@@Warpathjak
I have been anxiously awaiting your thoughts on this fight since round 3. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say. THE VOICE OF COMBAT SPORTS!
Glad he got embarrassed in front of all those legends of boxing lol.
The best part is those legends have to embarrass themselves again pretending like he won
This analysis stands as one of the most insightful and objective takes out there. Well done Teddy!!
It's remarkable how many voices in the conversation seemed to cry foul, claiming that Ngannou was unjustly denied victory. There's no denying that this was an incredibly tight contest, and Ngannou's performance was nothing short of remarkable. However, as Teddy aptly points out, Ngannou's unexpected display may have led many to perceive him as outclassing Fury and securing the win. The excitement and surprise surrounding the bout filled the gaps in our perceptions, clouding our judgment with the element of surprise. It's a classic case of "What you didn't see, you think you saw." But when you dissect the fight round by round, even if it wasn't the most thrilling display, Fury edged it.
For me, it's difficult to fathom that seasoned boxers genuinely believed Fury lost. It's quite possible that many figures from the boxing world, as well as sports pundits, were disappointed with Fury's choice to engage in this crossover money fight rather than pursuing a bout with a professional boxer. This clearly irritated the boxing fraternity who have seized the opportunity to jump on Fury, as a form of payback for his decision.
We need more voices like Teddy in the media, offering thoughtful and objective analysis, rather than the sensationalist click-chasers that currently dominate the industry. Teddy's balanced assessment of the Fury-Ngannou fight highlights the importance of measured, informed, and unbiased perspectives in sports analysis, upholding the sport's integrity and providing fans with deeper insights.
teddys breakdown was ass .. he counts jabs against the guard over getting bloodied and cut legally in round 2 .. he counts illegal ellbows as siginificant shots .. he doesnt count the knockdown that looked like a takedown in round 7 that was called a slip even though it was not .. fury was hurt multiple times .. and he was on his bike in the last 2 ... francis won 2,3,6,7,8,9,10 ... fury got 1 , 4 , 5 .. thats it
@@Truhandle91 I guess it depends what you like, or in many cases who you like. Francis countered well, and showed speed in his counters that I don’t think many expected. But he didn’t do it enough. I agree with teddy that if Francis had tried to be the aggressor he would have given himself more of a chance of getting a decision, and he may have won some of these rounds. I’m definitely with teddy on the scoring. But I’m not really judging either man on this fight. Looking forward to seeing fury-Usyk, and would love to see ngannou in the boxing ring again.
yep. which is why teddy is no better than the judges that scored the fight. he is trying to make an argument for why fury won. his reasoning will be different, depending on who the fighters are.@@Truhandle91
@@Truhandle91😂😂😂😂😂😂
You’re in your feelings
Ngannou won the fight
Ngannou was even shutting down Tysons jab at one stage by pawing at it and closing off the ring at points very impressive
I honestly think this fight was more impressive for Francis than it was embarrassing for Fury. He looked really good.
Wonderful fight for Francis. In any case, he was the winner of the night.
Stop with the moral wins Ngannou did not win he put TF on the canvas but in order to get the win he needed the ko in order to not leave it up to the judges. 🤓🥊
@@elliottsantiago1638say whatever Fury is an embarrassment to boxing. Got beaten up by a novice! SMH Fury straight up con you guys!
Fury survived the biggest punches in combat sports. Gypsy King has the best fights in boxing history. Congratulations to Fury.
@@elliottsantiago1638He did win we all saw it, you can keep lying to yourself but let the rest of us discuss reality
ngannou won the war, fury won the fight
Remember the first Rocky movie........the first fight with Apollo Creed, Creed won by split decision. Remember what Creed said in the second movie............"....I got the decision, but I didn't beat him".
Love the break down… finally someone has broken this down without emotion… thank you…
Teddy, thanks for sharing that heartfelt moment about meeting with Tim Bradley's family. That was touching. You are indeed right. None of us knows what tomorrow holds.
teddy is a certified thesaurus, can always count on him to teach me a new word on top of boxing
There were obvious reasons to think Francis had a shot. He was the biggest guy Fury had ever fought. He had the power to hurt him if he connected. Fury had shown plenty of times before that he is very hittable. And probably the most overlooked thing was this, Francis has shown the ability to learn new skills quickly and be able to implement them at the highest level. He's not just a dumb brute blindly swinging for the fences. He actually has shown he can see where his deficiencies are and learn to supplement them quickly. But most people just stuck with the most surface level analysis of the fight and gave him zero chance.
Nice comment for BEFORE not AFTER the fight. After the fight, we are all experts on what happened!!!!
Yea Francis definitely isn't dumb. English is his 3rd language. Dude is very smart
"He was the biggest guy Fury had ever fought. He had the power to hurt him if he connected. Fury had shown plenty of times before that he is very hittable."
This was well understood going in. Whoever you were talking to that didn't understand this beforehand, has zero knowledge of either fighter and their analysis is irrelevant.
"Francis has shown the ability to learn new skills quickly and be able to implement them at the highest level. He's not just a dumb brute blindly swinging for the fences. He actually has shown he can see where his deficiencies are and learn to supplement them quickly."
I believe you. But to a rational person, that still isn't enough (IN THEORY) to give you any edge over the 6'9" 275+ pound heavyweight champ who has 15 years of pro boxing experience (35 fights), as well as 35 amateur fights. You couldn't have given him 0% of winning because that's not how probability works, but I personally said 10% which I think was completely reasonable to believe (which turned out to be roughly what the betting odds implied).
Honestly I could care less about who's analysis is better than who's, I like good entertaining and exciting fights which is what we got.
@@tameimpala37 I made that comment 2 months ago on previous videos. I tried to link it but apparently youtube thinks a link to youtube is spam and keeps deleting it. But i made these exact points on the ESPN MMA video titled "Teach him a delivery system‼ Teddy Atlas explains how he’d coach Francis Ngannou to box Tyson Fury". Search it if you dont believe me.
@@dash4800 If you did, fair enough, and I apologize.
A true voice of reason and as close to objectivity in this case. Thanks for the solid breakdown!
Teddy is spot on with the scorecards, he should judge every fight😂
Yep. I honestly have just seen a bunch of MMA fans and Fury haters parroting “Francis was ROBBED” but offering absolutely no round by round ‘analysis’ 😂
Fury 97-93 or 96-93 is WHAT HAPPENED. Period. francis made a good account of himself. But that’s about it.
Don't be silly
Fury looked like he spent a night in jail with Suge knight
@@jimclaus1576 plenty of boxers and boxing fans also had Francis. painting this like its just haters and mma fans is disingenuous. Fury got embarrassed.
@@kimborice2557 Fury is OK. He wasn't KO'D or hospitalized. He was jumping up and down after the fight. Congratulations to Fury. Bomb squad lurks.
Nah this was basically trying to justify the win.
I’ve been following boxing all my life! To knock down the Heavyweight Champ proves his power!
Ngannou did a dirty headbutt on Fury and still couldn't KO him. Congratulations to Fury.
@@bobbykiefer4306 huh?
@@bobbykiefer4306 Fury literally elbowed Ngannou. And he's supposed to be the experienced pro boxer. He looked like an amateur.
Ngannou knocked down Fury. What the hell did Fury do? Not anything close.
@@PrideNverDieyou missed the headbutt?
@@NorthLondon-pm6xy Fury's stock dropped while doors opened for Ngannou. Fury hasn't moved on because Ngannou is on the back of his mind. Just watch everything he says after the fight. You can tell he already knows in his heart he lost.
Someone please explain the 96-93 card in favor of Fury. Give us a reasonable answer why there is a huge gap between the score.
Boxing scoring is by round, which means if you just walk around in circles and throw a few jabs the judges will give you the round because you have a superfight with Usyk coming up.
Out punched him by 71 to 59 also 17 more jabs for fury and also better and more combos from fury also coming forward
Great stuff you guys are the best-but you need fights like this to have material to talk about. My recommendation was to discuss old classic fights to fill time between big fights like this.
God Bless you Teddy! Praying for the day when I'll see one million views on every episode the day of the upload! 🙏💪
Ken: i thought it was an absolute robbery
Also ken: i dont know if i would say its a robbery
You're so right about the Tyson Francis fight. It also doesn''t help that Furry is killing his fan base with the things he's saying and his constant hypocrisy. People want a new champ that fights not only talks about money.
When tyson fury leaves boxing it will dead in the hw division lets be honest
He sells the foghts and earning milllions and francis too and all this fury haters buy the ppv get a live please
Fury makes Ali fights look like a snoozefest.
@@bobbykiefer4306 because the last three fights where amazing? The only good fights he had since he came back were with Wilder.
@@thearabicdpHis last fight was very entertaining his wins vs Chisora and Whyte were brilliant.
Teddy scored it exactly how I saw it! Ngannou looked more impressive , but he lost too many rounds he could’ve easily won if he was more active. It finally caught up to him. Ngannou does have a lucrative future in boxing!
He wouldn’t necessarily have won if he was more active, his lack of activity helped him not make mistakes. Fury wanted him to open up and instead he made fury do all the work and in that way held his stamina up. He did as good as he possibly could in the way he was boxing and the skills he has. A great fight for him
yeah, they always change their reasoning for why a fighter loses or wins to fit their argument. "oh, this fighter won because he was more active." "this fighter lost because he wasn't active enough." teddy is the same as the other corrupt judges in sports.@@gabrielsteffensen3700
Ngannou literally left him bruised and on the canvas what did fury do? Nothing
he won more rounds @@etherealentity7675
@@etherealentity7675 That is literally what he said, but he didn't win rounds because he didn't do enough during the less active rounds...
Thank you Teddy for saying how it is - finally a sensible analysis of the fight! Francis did amazing, but it wasnt a robbery and Tyson won the fight. Would love to see a well deserved rematch though!
This only proves what we already knew. MMA is the superior combat sport. You took away Ngannous elbows, knees, clinch, leg kicks and takedowns. AND still got THE WORK
Well yes .....MMA you have more weapons in the arsenal its in the name ie "Mixed Martial Arts "
MMA fans need to control their juices, this was all Francis, the dude is talented brick wall, any other MMA of the same weight would have lost badly.
You forgot about all the ufc fighters that have all lost to youtubers lol?
@@marcust123Which one’s lol? The retired 40 yo wrestlers with an overhand coming off a hip surgery or 50 yo Spider Silva 🤣 this was best vs best and we saw what happened (not some retired, one dimensional mma fighters with an overhand)
I think people already know that. Different disciplines exist and it's good to know both striking and grappling.
EVERYBODY just thought Francis JUST had a punchers chance, he proved he had much more than just that.
Fury also wins a lot of fights by putting his weight on people and tiring them out but Ngannou didn’t allow him to clinch and when he did, he was too strong for Fury to push around.
Not only that, but ngannou hurt him most times fury tried to clinch. Fury clinching is second nature at this point, and I think that really threw him off
Everyone should go watch the short Documentary on Mike Tyson training Francis. Yes Dewey was the head coach but Mike Tyson showed Francis the right boxing fundamentals and techniques.
Francis has really great coaches and he has the mental aspect but I think he's a lot more intelligent than people give him credit for
People are always talking about how smart he is
There is nothing Francis has done publicly for anybody to question his intelligence. Anyone who undermined his intellectual competence was just being a r@C15t
Are you going to anilise the fight 🙄💪
That's the problem.
Teddy got it right, in that this is how boxing is scored. But we all saw what we saw. How can Ngannou literary overpower, knockdown, bully, and barely get touched by Fury, and then end up losing? Fury played to the horrible rules of scoring, that's how.
I never liked watching boxing because it is in my mind too boring. "Its on another level than MMA", "It's very complex", yeah yeah heard that before. You can call me an uneducated knuckle dragger and mouth breather all you want, but it is 90% drama outside the ring, 10% action inside the ring, and 100% corrupt.
Because of this, I will never watch boxing again, except maybe if Ngannou or another MMA boxed a so-called boxing champ so I can say: I told you so, sucker.
Always good to hear it from Teddy.
I swear the level of wisdom, insight and passion in this man absolutely legendary.
As I'm training or sitting, hearing him speak is so damn inspirational that it both lights a fire under me and brings tears to my eyes at the same time.
Tremendous respect. I'm very grateful 🙏🏿
How do you figure? They think Ngannoue is undefeated! Wtf do they watch the fights or are they given talking points?
Ha ha ha
Even if Tyson was unprepared. Francis can only fight the Tyson fury that shows up. Francis did an excellent job.
Tyson said he had a legit camp
Teddy atlas scoring logic - if it’s close enough, give it to Fury, if Ngannou has a decent edge, say it’s a draw. I’m sorry but Ngannou landed the harder shots and actually out score Fury in some of the rounds Tesdy scored for Fury, not to mention the illegal elbow or borderline wrestling attempts and sloppiness bully Fury in some of those rounds. At best it’s a draw, the more probably score is Ngannou!
He's literally doing the thing he talks about the judges doing to steal fights from real contenders and he doesn't even recognize it because he's so steeped in the sport
@@RancorousSeaok, fanboi. Mike Tysons trainer knows more than you about boxing. You will never know the things Teddy will forget. But a fanboi will fanboi
@@quinnosborn3441 no amount of knowledge can cure extreme bias!
@@retwerts Teddy has never been a big fan of Fury, he dont ride for guys because of optics. He has helped Francis in the past, on request from Francis himself. Teddy has no reason for bias, and if he did, it would be towards Francis. You are demonstrating you dont know the sport, you dont know the characters in the sport, and obviously have quite the bias yourself. To come on here calling Teddy biased screams casual
@@quinnosborn3441 of course he is biased because boxing is his biggest passion, so he is just protecting his sport, what is so complicated to understand. He is not going to admit that one of the greatest heavyweight boxers got outboxed by an novice boxer, this means the whole sport is a joke, which it is. It’s overprotected, corrupt and that’s the result.
great breakdown, but i must disagree with the 97 - 93 Fury scorecard. i had it 97 - 92 ngannou, there was a lot of stuff going unmentioned and unscored throughout the 10 rounds. fury was looking scared and wobbly in the legs early as soon as francis hit him, and fury repetitively was checking his face with the glove for blood, right after ngannou would hit him. also, fury landed a huge elbow square on ngannous face, no point deduction. the second knockdown was declared "no knockdown" for no foreseeable reason? i hear francis connect before tyson stumbles down. as well as, fury going for clinches the way he did in this fight, we have never seen fury clinch like this throughout the whole fight, it was extremely defensive clinching, and he was running towards francis with the top of his head down. he was tying up francis for a clinch very often when francis threw, and francis I think had the better shots in many of the clinches as well. respect to your opinion but I don't think fury had the win this time. this is coming from a long term fury fan
I think the fact hat Mike Tyson got involved, was also an important ingredient in the mix. Knowing Fury was named after him by his father, who challenged Mike during the press conference, because he felt probably betrayed :)
😂 and the WWF storylines aren't written beforehand
wwe stories.
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They should do a trilogy since Jones is injured now.
@CommonSense970 he isnt signed to UFC anymore, so that aint gonna happen. Unfortunately.
@@teddydalo Dana loves money. Anything is possible. But you're right. Although Francis hasn't taken any fights since signing his new contract
Sounds like excuses he was beat not exhausted
I had it even going into the 10th which i gave to fury. The judges card totals were fairly close but they only agreed on a couple rounds. It was a close fight but in no way was it a robbery like so many people want you to believe. Francis did phenomenal and i want to see him back in the ring against top boxers as soon as possible.
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@@michadebicki6534 Agreed, people are misusing the word robbery. Losing a close match that could have went either way is not a robbery. Robbery is a lopsided match that scored the wrong way.
Like that Paquiao vs Bradly match, that was a robbery. Also, Paquiao vs Jeff horn was a robbery
@@dirty2700 I mean, you can imagine all the scenarios you want but the fact is he didnt lose a point. It would've been a draw on my card if he lost a point.
@@dirty2700 when I scored the fight, or any fight for that matter, I go by what happens in the ring between the bells. I dont give extra credit for being the champ or challenger or whatever the story going into it is. If Francis would have done anything in the 10th then I would have scored it for him. Like teddy said, I gave it to fury because of the last shot he landed at the end of the round. If I remember correctly I think I felt the same about the 9th. Francis just didnt do anything the last 2 rounds and fury did just a tad bit more than nothing.
@@RightHandedSouthpawYou can give 9 to Fury but you can't claim 10 goes to Fury for more work because he didn't outwork Francis. In fact, Francis had the more meaningful shots while Fury's were meaningless hits in the clinch. Francis won the 10th and 2 judges gave it to him.
You 2 guys are the best advertisement for boxing today. Measured analysis 👌
Building up to the fight I had commented the following on another channel:
“Good point about fighting on the inside vs. the outside. It’s common/natural to fallback on what’s instinctual, what’s most trained into you.
Quite improbable but still remotely possible is that with Francis being so relatively new to boxing, his boxing abilities/habits can be built from the ground up. This being done while really compartmentalizing being a boxer vs. an mma fighter.
I don’t know how current the limited training footage is that I’ve seen of him. If it’s from the beginning of his training camp, it’s mostly what I would expect to see at that point. A starting point that needs a lot of refinement/far more optimal technique.
I agree the potentially awkward look could be beneficial to a degree but some sound boxing fundamentals are undoubtedly
a must for this level of an opponent.”
Hopefully, CZcams will have the full fight replayed, shortly. I want to see if I agree with Teddy.
Can we get Teddy Atlas and Ray Longo breaking down some fights together?
That would be amazing
Love Teddy and Ken giving props to Chael for being “brave enough to say what he says”.
Also Chael..” I’m convinced Boxing is not a real sport” 😂😂😂
Should there have been a point deduction for the elbow?
Glad you feeling good teddy! Your still looking great! To me you are the voice of boxing. Cheers!
so much for the khashoggi talk that you guys had on this show.
Everyone has their price it seems.
i dont even mind that, just dont act like you are above it.@@Rendaro
Unpopular opinion here but Fury won at least 6 rounds, and clearly. Love Ngannou, his history and how well he did, but its important to be objective.
I had Rd 4 for Ngannou. I appreciate so much Teddy Atlas being a real one. Doing a cold hard look at the boxing. No other boxing guy has done this. Show the card. Give your notes. I felt like rounds 2, 4, and 7 were the only ones in question. With a 10-8 in 3 and a clear win of 8, the best you could call it for Ngannou is 95-94. With clear wins of rounds 1, 5, 6, 9, 10 the best you can score it for Fury is 97-92. Anything in that range is a reasonable take. Anyone saying they felt like Ngannou clearly took that fight, I feel like they're giving in to that part that needs to believe in the dream. That, or they've got another agenda behind their opinion.
Thank you Teddy and Ken. Thanks to your whole team at THE FIGHT.
Teddy always gives some of the best breakdowns and commentary! I bet Mike did have something to do with the development of that left hook from Francis. Fury narrowly escaped with a victory. He better tighten up before getting in the ring with Usyk
*"NGANNOU HAS 20 YEARS BOXING EXPERIENCE. DO THE RESEARCH. NGANNOU IS PHENOM. ONE IN A MILLION ATHLETE. THIS WAS NOT HIS DEBUT FIGHT. HE'S NOT A NOVICE. NGANNOU IS A SEASONED FIGHTER."* -- Teddy Atlas
@@blackDavidFrost_Stout_Krout that does not mean he didn’t learn something from Mike Tyson or any other coach for that matter. If it were true then why didn’t he just train himself and go in the fight without a trainer…… explain that. Furthermore when I said “he should tighten up before fighting Usyk” I’m clearly talking about Tyson Fury. He’s the one slated to face Usyk not Francis smart guy.
@@MMAFANlogical ummmmm my comment is about Fury fighting Usyk not Francis. CLEARLY you didn’t see that being a big MMA fan you think somebody is dissing Francis or something like that when I was talking about Fury tightening up before HE fights Usyk. Not Francis.
Regarding Fury vs Usyk, I'm not sure Fury will able to improve enough (in the time he has left) to outpoint Usyk. Usyk is looking insanely fit at the moment. Fury, conversely, clearly has a weight problem. He's obviously prone to obesity, and against Usyk that's going to be biggest enemy.
@@ivanjulian2532 I agree with you. I think Usyk is all wrong for Fury and they know it. Also Francis was having success with switching to southpaw. Usyk will capitalize on being a natural southpaw. Fury would have to be the best he’s ever been if he fights Usyk. I really am finding it hard to believe the fight happens in December this year like they are saying.
Ngannou was unbelievable. I have huge respect for any man who gets in the ring. But the way he performed was just what makes combat sports so appealing. You never know..... Now you have to say after that fight Ngannou is probably the biggest commodity in combat sports. And fair play to him
Love you guys! Great breakdown and phenomenal performance by Ngannou. I can listen to old timers like Teddy tell stories all day. 😂
Finally someone that scored the fight using his eyes and not his heart.
Thank you teddy.
Opposite of reality
@@leakbit2437 let me guess. You’re either an MMA guy, you don’t like Fury, or you love ngannou. All it takes is one or more to be true.
@@Cello69.These casual fans are the worst and they don't know shit about boxing. 😂 Fury clearly didn't take the fight serious and still won the fight. It's not complicated. Stats don't lie.
@@Cello69.Wrong, I’m a boxing guy and wanted Fury because he’s white.
@@Cello69. Only a dosser would like Tyson Fury.
I'm just seeing this now. I had Fury the entire time and got so much flack from folks. and with way less humility than teddy, I laid it out and showed all the stats and facts and how you score round-to-round. And Fury won. It was close but he still won.
Why do people keep saying Tyson looked unprepared. Tyson said it himself that he trained 12 weeks for this fight and I dont think he would lie about something like that
Because they need to believe it. Most people don't have real conviction, they just parrot whatever narratives help them sleep at night. And all of these hunks of garbage were so sure it was going to go one way, now they're trying to worm out of their predictions.
Boxings fangirls are a bit salty Fury went life and death against mma fighter 😂
BOOM. 300k, good going teddy and ken 🎉🎉
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Ngannou did great but idk how anyone who understands scoring in boxing thinks this was a “robbery”. Fury won all the quiet rounds, which were most of them.
I don’t think it was a robbery but there is definitely a case for Francis to win. I think there was a case for each of the judges scorecards cards
ok fury won the boxing match but francis won the fight. if you can call boxing a fight at all
What did he do?
what do people who know scoring in boxing know? We know not all punches are created equal. .Power punches score higher, cleaner punches score higher. Command of the ring also matters in the eyes of the judges. Frances landed the most effective and the most consequential punches and combinations. You know that 96:93 card was bullshit. You have to know that. and thats the card that decided the fight.
The quiet rounds like 7, 8, and 10, Ngannou won. Add to that round 2 which Ngannou won, and round 3 which was 10-8 for Ngannou.
I think Ken is right, this fight was as much about Fury not taking it seriously as it was Ngannou's skills, which were very impressive; especially for a debut against the lineal champ.
Boxing fan : oh shit Fury got his ass beat, I better start coming up with excuses for him that directly contradict what the actual person who fought said
It's amazing how you guys are still trying to cope with the robbery days afterwards
I'm a boxing fan. And I've been saying for the past 5 years Fury hasn't done anything to get the praises that he does. Look at his resume. Who has he fought? An over the hill Klitskcho? A one dimensional knock out artist in Wilder? Fury resorted to throwing elbows at Nnganou.
Fury himself stated that he trained well and that he didn't underestimate him at all, Ngannou was just that good
@@luciferlione6641 Brainletts don't realize that saying Ngannou only doing as good as he did because Fury was sleeping on him just takes away from Ngannou.
@@luciferlione6641its the truth. He even scheduled a fight for December. Fury will likely destroy Francis in the rematch.
Teddy and Michael Buffer represent a golden era of Boxing / professional combat sports 🙌
Great video Yeah well said by Teddy "By not overdoing it he wasn't making mistakes." I could not see Ngannou winning more 3-4 rounds
Ken has the most ungodly amount of patience I have ever seen. :D
Never have I agreed more with someone's analysis as I have with Teddy's towards the end on that Francis probably did as much as he could to lose in the best looking way he could. He probably couldn't have been busier without either gassing out, or just leaving himself too open, and then getting stopped, or beaten up at the end. Conversely he might've got Fury out of there, or maybe he wouldn't have gassed and won on points... we'll never know, but the man never fought 10 rounds with big ol heavy boxing gloves on before, so what he did do was unreal in itself.
That was a marvelous breakdown from you teddy so glad to tune in and hear what a real pro who has integrity and high fight i.q thinks about the fight. Since I didn't watch the fight I was starting to think it was a robbery but luckily before I made a decision myself I had to hear from my man teddy
2 Touchdowns and a safety to 6 Field Goals, Fury Won a Boxing Match, Francis shocked the world and has many options now..
Fury got dropped and threw a illegal elbow. If the referee was not slow in the head the match would have been a draw.
@@Dylan-uz4nqNgannou did a dirty headbutt on Fury and still couldn't KO him. Congratulations to Fury.
@Dylan-uz4nq He got a 10-8 for the drop, the elbow had Francis leaning in and was probably incidental, was the 1st time in the fight, could have got a warning, not an automatic point deduction. You can't fairly score a fight if you Want one guy to win buddy..
@@bobbykiefer4306 congratulations to Fury for getting a split decision to a dude who has never boxed.💀
@@BoomBoomBoom.. I’m a boxing fan. I don’t care if Francis won or not. I just find it weird that you guys call Tyson Fury the best boxer ever. 34-0-1. Goat shit.😭
Great analysis. Thank you for teaching us more about fighting.
Teddy, 'There's gonna be people you cannot convince because they've made up their minds, they DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW!' .....EXACTLY
Loved listening to this, thanks guys!
The lineal undefeated champion of the world went to a split dec with an officially first time boxer...infront of a bunch of boxing legends. I can't imagine his embarrassment for Fury but this may be the greatest "win" I've seen in boxing in a very very long time.
The greatest questionable win and the greatest embarrassment in all boxing history.
Tyson Fury is not a TRUE lineal champion. He never beat the guy who beat the guy. Lennox Lewis was the last TRUE lineal champion, when he retired he retired UNDISPUTED holding all the belts. Nobody beat him and took those belts off him. There was nobody who could say they were the guy who beat the guy. After a 5 year gap the Ring Magazine simply gave the title to Vladmir Klitschko because there was nobody better to give it to. Klitschko never beat Lennox Lewis.
@@ivanjulian2532 Tyson Fury is lineal champion. That already been established.
@@bobbykiefer4306 OK then.... the lineal champion is the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy. Tyson Fury beat Vladimir Klictschko. But who did Vladimir Klitschko beat to become the reigning lineal champion?
No one gave Francis a chance ..Francis is a Legend and a warrior 👍🏿👍🏿🥊
Spot on again Teddy, this has happened before and it will continue to happen, the guy who performs better than expected usually gets the benefit of the doubt. This happened in Lennox Vitaly fight where many after the fight considered Vitaly way ahead but in reality Vitaly was over performing and as Teddy says was then in the eyes of many winning when in reality a round by round score card might show otherwise
not a follower of boxing sport but I instantly hit the subscribe button when teddy said please subscribe, cant disappoint this man.
Second round??? IF i remember Ngannou caught Fury with 2-3 uppercuts so one jab for Fury was not enough to win the round
And Francis caught him with the overhand left which cut him on his forehead. Francis did win Round 2
nope it was a headbutt that cut him on his head@@tomsea6017
I really should rewatch this fight. I had Fury winning the first 2 rounds, the 9th and I forget what other round. I had Francis winning 96-93 ironically enough. I thought 95-94 for Francis was just as accurate.
@@restricttheopennotesProbably the round where he knocked down fury lol
Just rewatched the 2nd round where Ngannou landed a massive left on Fury, another left & like 3 uppercuts while Fury had a left and some semi-landing jabs. Def Ngannou round and im not too bothered to rewatch the other rounds as well
Good analysis as always Teddy, I've watched it a couple times now, and I didn't watch it until next day after hearing all the outcry. Both times I have Fury nicking it by a round. Terrible perfromance and could've had a point off for the elbow but as it was I think Fury won it.
Huge respect to Ngannua, unbelievable that was his first professional boxing match. Incredible performance and I actually wouldn't mind seeing a rematch now after having zero interest in the fight prior ro watching it.
As for Fury, I would now favour Usyk for the undisputed but I have doubts that will happen now. Wouldn't be suprised if Fury plays the mental health card sometime soon.
Nah it wasn't an intentional elbow. By that logic you could have had a point off for ngannou headbutting fury. Silly
I agree with you about the fight, and your overall verdict. But “playing the mental health card”? Come on, mate. It’s not a card. Depression is really debilitating, and the dismissive attitude of viewing it as a card can be devastating for someone suffering as it is always a fear you have when you suffer from it: that saying it will be conceived as a way to squirm out of responsibility.
@@tfe5956 oh don't get me wrong, I've suffered it myself but the way people use it lately as a convenience I find really annoying. I have the upmost sympathy for those that are genuinely suffering, but I see it bounded about far too casually these days and I think the majority of those that suffer keep it much more to ourselves or those close to us.
very good explanation many thanks for explaining it to use all
Another great episode and breakdown. Was a little shocked that you guys didn’t cover the historic Serrano vs Ramos fight but based off the comments at the end maybe you’ll get to it next week.
Teddy picked Fury my G… and we know Francis is a sore subject for Teddy and rightly so.
Wow, great overall analysis. Teddy swayed me from leaning Ngannou, to fully understanding how and why Fury actually won on the cards. Teddy is amazing.
Lol dude barely through a punch the final 4 round. There’s no way in the world he won tht fight
Thanks Teddy, lm not the only one who scored about the same. I'm a Australian ex boxer and ex amateur referee, in every fight l watch my referee knowledge kicks in. Fury and opponent was very flashy but not many hits. Kind Regards from Australia 🇦🇺
Francis really did do an incredible job. Anybody saying robbery though just doesnt understand how boxing is scored. Fury outlanded francis in 7 of 10 rounds.
Very few people have ever suggested that Fury is the greatest boxer of all time, let alone best heavyweight. Some people have put him up there with the best heavyweights of all time in terms of comparing careers, which has always been a joke, simply because he's only beaten 2 guys who really matter, in Klitschko and Wilder - and while he gets all credit due for all those wins, the Klitschko fight truly was one of the worst fights in the history of Heavyweight championship history. Now, what I DO agree with, is that because of his unique size, skillset, athleticism, boxing IQ, and heart, that an in shape, well-trained (strategy included) Fury would have a decent chance vs. anyone in history. That I agree with, but in the end you must prove it vs. the best of your era, that's all you can do. Instead of doing that, Fury had chosen Whyte (who did deserve the shot after waiting years), Chisora, Seferi, Pianeta, Schwartz, and Wallin, and now this circus show where he disgraced himself and the sport of boxing. So he'll be remembered as such now, unless he flips the script fast and wipes out Usyk and Joshua, and maybe Ruiz or fights own of the youngsters on the scene before retiring. Thing is, I don't think he really cares, and if he does, the incomplete legacy might haunt him and his mental state in retirement.
This….is the biggest 100% truth I might’ve read my entire life as a boxing fan
@@samyelljackson1549 Wow, thanks for the kind comment :)
So accurate. A second fight with klitschko would’ve shown us a lot. It’s possible Wlad just had a bad night when he fought fury. fury’s ego is the real problem - he thinks he is much better than he’s shown us and doesn’t have to prove anything more. I hope this makes him hungrier and he bounces back like he did in wilder 2
@@adiedits8027 yes. Wlad looked like a dead man in that fight. Even cowardly a bit with his refusal to let his hands go. Fury has to get some credit for it, but Wlad looked 10x better and braver vs. Joshua.
@@joeblough261 yeah I agree. fury def deserves some credit but with the way he looked against Joshua 2 years later, it would’ve been good to see a rematch there. I think the Usyk fight is really going to determine fury’s legacy
Fury planned to lean on him but got caught at his own game Ngannou too powerful and use to clintch everytime ..he didn't over react to the faint and when fury got knowdown I think he got scared to be knockout and Francis wasn't exhausted at all he even switched southpaw 🥊
Fury was getting tossed around 😂 it's crazy how much stronger Francis looked in there. It looked exhausting for Fury to get leaned on like that. I'm sure he's never had to worry about that before.
Yes Chief if you can take the time i can hit that sub button and ding the bell. Much respect Dad
It wasnt controversial at all. Tyson won more rounds. A jab counts as much as a punch. Ngannou conter puched thus threw less punches. Tyson won but was embarressed how he won
The footwork Cooper showed Francis was pivotal in that fight. Dewey Cooper is an excellent striking coach, and has done wonders for mma fighters. Major props to him
Why wasn’t there a body attack? Fury’s flabby midsection wouldn’t have been able to take Francis’ body punches.
@@nicklubrino2606 waiting on all those body punches that ever dropped Fury.....
@quinnosborn3441 You don’t go to the body for the KO. That’s why they say “going to the body” is “doing homework” because it will pay dividends later in the fight. It will make Fury gas out at the end.
Give Cooper and Nicksick all the credit, there are people who actually think Tyson trained Francis. Tyson was sitting at ringside. Tyson wasn’t even in the corner.