Everything Wrong With Turning Red in 20 Minutes or Less
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2022
- Turning Red is a Pixar movie about... well... turning into a giant red panda. Let's leave it at that. Oh, but we will still count the sins.
Thursday: Sins for sure, just not sure which ones yet.
Remember, no movie is without sin. Which movie's sins should we count next?
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I think something that is worth removing a sin for is the fact that when Mei gets surprised or scared as a red panda she puts her hands up. That is something actual red pandas do when scared or threatened.
It’s an adorable defense mechanism
I did not know I needed this information. Thanks :D
Full on T-posing; they're remarkable and bizarre little guys.
@@clairepettie What do you think a T looks like
Yeah I went to a zoo and they let my family pay to have interactions with the animals. I got to feed a panda but his brother walked up behind him and it scared the first red panda into doing this. So cute
As some one who has traditional jade jewelry, yes. You can totally break a jade ring by doing that. It's surprisingly brittle. The more you know.
that must be nerve racking, do you ever wear them?
Like Maroon Brown Lego Plate brittle or That one Granola Bar you ate as a kid Brittle?
@@monkeyking9863 Yes I wear them all the time, and have broken some. You just have to be careful with them, and I wont wear them if I know I'm going to be doing any work with my hands.
Jade's hardness (6ish for jadeite 7ish for nephrite, which is more common) makes it super breakable. It's not easy to just snap, but it will chip and break.
@@remberforgor Depends, sometimes you can get ones with a seam in it thats so weak a sneeze could break it. They are in general fragile though especially things like rings, it amazes me people can carve them so well.
I don't think you guys realize how a lot of Chinese parents will put off telling their kids ANYTHING about their bodies until they absolutely have to. So Mei's parents not preparing her for the Red Panda transformations is totally on brand and definitely a critique on traditional Asian parenting techniques.
Forget Chinese parents, I know lots of white Christian conservatives who didn’t teach their kids anything either
I can vouge for that@@jibekmechler139
My mother is Cuban. She thought she was dying when she started her cycle because it was NOT spoken about unless absolutely necessary.
She did not let that happen to me, thankfully. But it was still awkward AF
Tbh that's pretty on brand for conservatives of any culture. I don't remember being ever taught anything. I looked that sh*t up after hearing about it in a CZcams video iirc
Her mom's panda being a literal kaiju is honestly the coolest part of this movie. I completely did not expect to see that in this movie, and it's a neat metaphor for her mom's personality.
She held her rage so much that her panda just grew and grew
@@HarmonyOC I hope we aren't using metaphors anymore
@@Spacebugg I mean, we litterly see her panda being a kaiju
The fact that this Pixar Film actually said the words “Stripper Music” made me spit me water up the first time I heard this
How'd they even try to be slick with that one?
Also the mention of drugs, god it gave me whiplash
Let's not forget this gem from Priya: "And that you're kinda a perv." How did THAT get past the censors!? XD
And yet gravity falls can’t say practically any innuendo…
@@cintronproductions9430 That's nothing compared to the Strange Hill High episode 'Crushing Embarrassment'.
This movie wasn’t scared to show how cringe 13 year old are and it deserves respect for it
It really took me back I have to admit.
@S V it's also a Disney movie, I don't think you're the target audience
@S V suuuuure
*Cola, are you insinuating females don't realize they'll start bleeding at puberty? (◔_◔)*
*(◑_◑) Cola, for females puberty = blood shed shed blood*
So many people hated on this movie because the panda is supposedly supposed to represent a girl's period. And I love that a lot of the sins on this movie are for acting like a period is a big deal.
@flame_kit_unlucky Fr 😭
My main issue with this movie is that the artstyle is ugly as sin.
@@Shadoboy not gonna lie, I agree, especially when you look at the Pixar character designs from other movies, it almost barely feels like a Pixar movie.
@@Plasmadice2008 Agreed 2, it just looks horrid to me. Another thing is that they’ll start bringing up periods in Inside Out 2.
19:31 - 19:43
Well technically, Mei and her family do face consequences and have to pay for the collateral damage Ming caused. The bigger sin should be for the fact that no government, CIA, or FBI agents have had this family investigated or attempt to use them for their power.
They are in Canada so I think Canada's government is just used to this
Since this is in Canada it would fall under the RCMP's jurisdiction
The us has no power there
@@Nintenblox , not even Area 5….
😳 🔫
Okay, never mind.
My biggest gripe is that no one, no students or strangers or anything, were even mildly taken aback about a girl turning into a panda. If I walked in on my classmate turning into an animal, I don't think I'd squeal and want pictures. I think I'd be freaked out. But to everyone in this movie, turning into an animal is as normal as watching someone take their shoes off
On the one hand, yes, this isn't a normal thing and suddenly realizing that there is a shapeshifter among you would certainly cause at least mild alarm. If I'm not mistaken, Mei's friends actually did initially freak out upon seeing the Panda and had to be reminded that the Panda was still Mei. Still, it happens so fast that it might not be remembered and it happens once, so not everyone may recall it. However, I would be at least a little bit nervous about suddenly finding a shapeshifter, if only because I have so many questions.
On the other hand, Ben 10. If you knew that someone could transform into an awesome creature on command without anyone getting hurt, and especially as a kid, that person would be the coolest person in the world!
I would try to take a picture, run, and then tell everyone that there is a skinwalker lol
Yeah, and even taking your shoes off can earn you some strange looks at times. Trust me, I know.
@@bandicootsauce4569 Is it a country thing with shoes or something?
Probably because the panda form is cute and fluffy, they aren't scared.
Pixar 1995: what if toys had feelings
Pixar 2009: what if old people had feelings
Pixar 2015: what if emotions had emotions
Pixar 2022: what if woman had feelings
Soul was: what if black people had emotions lol
Pixar 2023: What if elements have feelings?
@@riffraff7942 Pixar 2035: What if the human race had emotions?
Pixar 2022: what if Asians had feeling?
Girls: He didn't even cry at the Titanic. Do men even have feelings?
As a woman who knew YEARS in advance that I would get my period, I’ll tell you my mom and I still kinda had a panic moment. I think it partially comes from the fact that until you get it for real, the way in which your life changes is all hypothetical. And there’s no countdown either, you just wake up with bloody underwear and from then on you have to learn how to live with it immediately. Especially because side effects can be so uncomfortable, I can see why panic could be a protective parental reaction; what if your daughter has horrible cramps or awful mood swings that make her miserable? It’s not like it’s solely a physiological change. Idk, that’s just my take. It’s always played up in movies too because having no reaction would be boring 😂
16:54 That's the point; not every moment with the panda has been positive (you can see some scenes from her running home in a panic in the same flashback), but those moments are still a part of her.
I figured the whole '4 town' with 5 members was a jab at boybands always having 2-3 standout members and then a couple to round out the troupe (like Aaron T. and Aaron Z in this case) essentially only giving the filler members enough developement and time to count as a single human being.
Also, back in the girl/boy band era, members would come and go, but the name wouldn't change lol. Destiny's Child for example, used to have 4 members, then 2, then 3.
4 is also super unlucky, so the name would make Mei's mom even more against it
Apparently it was going to be 4 of them originally, but they didn't want to change to 5*Town when they added the 5th because of animation things
Like Maroon 5 having like 8? members of which all but Adam Levine are are totally irrelevant lol
@@derfuchs3296 yeah, there were 6 members, then 7 and now, they just dgaf, no point changing the name once it's that recognizable 🤣
@@NicciGemz
Yeah and I don’t even know how the additional member changed anything for the band because it’s just exactly the same generic radio pop. At this point it just feels like random industry musicians trying to get on the payroll or something lmao
I'm gonna justify the "As you know". Mei already knows about the "Sun Yee had a connection to red pandas thing", and so do we. But she doesn't know about the "She turned into a red panda" part. So the "as you know" is more like "We already told you this, but this is what we left out." Schools do that bit all of the time.
In my experience that's only ever how it used
like honestly the first time someone pointed out how useless 'as you know' is, i legit sat there stumped trying to think of an actual normal use for the phrase so thank you for this comment
I agree that the phrase "as you know" works in this situation because it's a set-up for the next part, which is "but what you don't know is this." Still think they could have avoided the dreaded phrase, though.
That's how you always use that phrase.
It became trendy for online critics to hate on it, but the part that the character already knows is just a set up, and will be expanded upon
For example:
"As you know, I conducted a raid on the great library. *I have recently found a scroll between the recovered goods that could lead us to our objective* "
No one, in the history of cinema, has ever used "as you know" without expanding the information
@@sasir2013 thank you so much for pointing this out that's what I was trying to get at but I might have been bad at explaining it
And while I absolutely hate the example you used for various reasons thank you for pointing it out that's exactly my point is that it's always used like this as a hook to get people into more exposition by starting with something they know and then telling them they don't know that relates to the something they know
As you said I have never once witness it be used without someone adding new information to what was already known
"...what if women had feelings?"
That line corpsed me 😂😂😂
17:58 WAIT…DEVON?!🤣🤣🤣
The “what if women had feelings” bit got me there 😂
Same! I don't often laugh out loud when watching videos like this, but damn that line got a cackle out of me to be sure.
Women have mostly been portrayed as being very/too emotional in media and especially in movies. That's as much a well researched fact as it is the classical feminist criticism of said media. What women could not come across as was: hard, sober, smart, even wise (as men).
But that is not what CinemaSins is making fun of here, right? Because his list (toys, animals etc.) would not make any sense if he was. What CinemaSins seems to be trying to say here is: We have been depicting women as not having feelings, like toys or animals; and now we are finally changing that (because we are such good people I guess). And the only problem with that would obviously be that it would be... untrue. :D Very much so. Because that's precisely not how we have been depicting women. So what are these comments by CinemaSins, really? Some kind of extraordinarily stupid virtue signaling maybe? I do not know.
Someone care to explain what's so funny?
@@jakobbauz Because old timey sexim references are funny, I guess?
@@Nsinger998 Where would you see such a reference in this context?
@@jakobbauz *shrug* Not from cinema sins itself but the inference is to the old timey sexism that women had no feelings and just made babies and keep house. If a woman DID show emotions; Then the men wouldn't know what to do and assumed it was a malfunction. Pair this with the jokes about pixar showing us that all sorts of things had feelings and well...
"If you know your child will eventually turn into a giant red panda how is it not something you prepare them for?"
Considering it's one of the most obvious metaphors for a person getting their period, which is something that parents are constantly failing to prepare their children for, it doesn't seem that unlikely to me.
Exactly. Mei and her family members becoming red pandas do not just represent having periods and puberty. That is just the most immediate way people can understand this film. The red panda is also representation of identities, growth, compromise, tradition, culture, generational trauma, etc.
This is probably just me, but my parents had the talk with me 2 years before I started my period, so I was semi-prepared
@@gretaclayton6173 same
@@gretaclayton6173 Good for you. My parents never had a talk with me even when my periods started. Tossed me pads and called it a day. Oh the confusion and fear of death.
Nobody prepared me, so I thought that I was dying.
The kittens were available because, as they showed, stray cats lived at the temple. Funny a lot of people don't notice that.
Also unnoticed: Priya has already started her period.
Jin is into panda, particularly big panda. "She was...incredible!"
How do you know about Priya?
@@da1nonlychav A. Of the group of friends, Priya has a developing figure, Priya had deodorant on hand, and Priya said that she had _extra_ pads.
@@kirkdarling4120 i feel like they all should have developing figures, at least slighly since I'm guessing they're all 13.
@@da1nonlychav Some girls do, some don't. But I think the fact that they showed it in Priya was a deliberate sign that she had had already reached puberty.
I'm glad this movie was able to show things in such a refreshing way. It's great how far we've come honestly. More representation for how girls (especially younger) and mother-daughter relationships are is always great! Also talking about periods is really important honestly. I wish it wasn't made to be so uncomfortable to talk about.
Now we need the father-son version of cleaning the penis, balls dropping, and more. >:D
Refreshing? I feel like they ripped off any number of older stories for just about everything in it.
@@BeeWhistler I mean isn't that most stories? Especially in movies these days? There's not a lot of stories to tell.
Same. Periods only ever pop up in media to degrade or negatively label women. This was a refreshing take. We have all kinds of media about boys' puberty but I don't think I've heard of one about girls prior to this movie.
@@whisper4379 Yeah, exactly.
I married a Chinese woman.
If you ignore the panda stuff, this is pretty accurate when it comes to their parenting style. Actually overall very accurate.
When we'd finished, the next time I was with my daughter we spoke about the movie. I took the opportunity to point out how lucky she was to have a mother who wasn't that obsessive and controlling.
She very easily could have.
I believe the director of this film is also Chinese, lived in Canada, and was going through her adolescent phase in the early 2000s so yeah it was pretty accurate.
@@Kingdom850 Asians dont turn red, they turn yellow. Everyone with a panda period knows that. AMEN
@@blackleague212 Wrong. Asians tend to turn red after drinking alcohol because they metabolize acetaldehyde slower!
That's Classist lol
"Hey child, be happy your mother isnt narcissistic, obsessive and fanatic 😄
I know the sins are a joke, but this is exactly how asian parents act. Super detailed observant when they want to but completely oblivious to anything obvious. Also my mom, who is Chinese, has done these sort of really embarrassing things to me in school (definitely not the pad situation, but something along the lines of complete embarrassment), it is actually really accurate and the funniest part of the movie
Speaking with that logic I’m surprised mei got away with lying , sneaking out etc but movie has to movie to get to the moral so eh
That's horrifying. Your family actually acted like that and you find that funny? Is it therapeutic or something? If my family acted like that I don't think I'd speak to them ever again.
@@BeeWhistler
being embarrassed isn’t something to never speak to your parent over ? parents like this are clearly doing it out of love, and like in this movie, you can still have a good relationship. you’re acting like this is abuse or smth
@@BeeWhistler yeah, I do in hindsight. To be mortified out of embarrassing things is no healthy way to live
You bet that if my parents ever did that to me, I would drop them off at a old folks home and cut contact with them. FYI, I’m not racist, I’m just saying that Chinese parents, or any parents, should know better than to force their child into success with pressure and strictness. So parents, know better, because the last thing we need is another case like Jennifer’s Solution. Look it up if you don’t know.
13:53 Cinemasins thinks his audience is old enough to remember a drug commercial from the 90s
DING lmao
7:43 I mean it is normal but it also can be an emergency. If you get it suddenly when you're least expect it and you don't have any pads. Worse if you're like me and as soon as I get my period the terrible pain starts. Then downing ibuprofen is as quickly as possible is more important then pads. The flow is usually (for me) quite small at the beginning and can be held off with toilet paper.
Clearly the sins guy has never known the strughle of wearing white pants and a heavy flow
I appreciate all the subtle details in this one. The Canadian jokes down to moving the sin counter during the cha cha slide. Top notch.
Meh, nothing more suddle than a red panda running around the school smelling like a stinking dead fish. Maybe she should focus on getting a man now instead of being in a pixar movie?
@@blackleague212 suddle
@@blackleague212 suddle
@@blackleague212 Suddle
(Have a good day)
4:49 I think the panic experienced by Mei's parents is due to the fact that having her period is directly related to turning into the red panda, because she's growing and experiencing all sorts of raw emotions. Also, becoming the red panda is clearly a metaphor for puberty, kids starting to detach from parents and needing their independence, and ultimately that's what scares Mei's mother: so the "period panic" is probably related to that.
Panicking over the panda makes more sense than panicking over the period. People need to freaking grow up about that.
@@BeeWhistler Yes. I am quite at a loss for words as to how this is still a "big thing". Get over it.
I don't think having a period has anything to do with becoming a red panda in the lore of this movie. Because she wasn't having her period, they just thought she was.
@@BeeWhistler most parents panic because, get this, they haven't been parents before.
@Parzival but we've been made aware of a period since childhood..
And as an adult(parent) you have a responsibility to prepare for this stuff.. this doesn't just sneak up on you.. im a 28yo male and completely understand that I should communicate to my daughter about her cycles, and im not a parent.
I’m really happy that he brought up the fact that everyone panics about her menstrual cycle. It’s a completely normal thing that happens, and this movie preaches to our youth that it is something to be feared and that we should keep it a secret. It’s also very refreshing to hear a man say that it’s completely normal. For some reason the media thinks that it’s not masculine to accept periods. It’s nice for you to say that.
Underrated comment.
It's pretty sad that a grown adult accepting that periods are normal is deserving of a "good job" comment
@@jadecoolness101 It's pretty sad that people actually enjoy the idea of a movie with an underaged girl liking "gyrating", a suggestive dance.
@@YuuyaKZMI How can a dance and or dance move be suggestive?
@@Aimi_Kaneko Oh you are so innocent.
20:19 Whoever came up with the Head-On gag is a fucking comedic genius lmao
Head-On, apply directly to the forehead 🧌
I actually thought the reason she didn’t immediately turn into a panda in the hallway (when she was putting the deodorant on her face) was because she was around her friends, and that was the whole reason she was able to control it later.
that makes sense bc it literally said that they neutralize her panda
You know, if there is something I found particularly refreshing about this film, it's that I liked the mother-daughter relationship had a lot more pull and push to it. That she actually does enjoy being who she is, but just wishes she could get a little wiggle room now and again, which was far more interesting than going more the *ahem* Brave route of the daughter-mother relationship being solely characterized by just being rebellious and having a tight leash as is common with those relationship portrayals, though I don't doubt it happens, it doesn't make for very interesting storytelling often. (but feel free to correct me, it's been awhile, but that aspect still stands out to me.). And the fact that the Red Panda isn't completely made to just be a device to completely cause conflict ala Luca (though I still quite liked that one.). Like how all the kids really dig it and stuff. And lastly for this film reminding me that friends can be awesome by having Mei finally calm herself down by engaging in singing with them. Honestly one of the best moments I've seen in a movie this year. And yet Disney thought it was better to just dump this to streaming at the last minute even though, in my personal opinion, this is still their best film that's come out this year.
tl;dr
@@kinghotcoc0 It handles some common tropes in a less typical way, and that is good.
@@motherplayer thank you, you should edit this into your comment at the end
Fergus impression of Merida was still funny. Though as someone who's Scottish, would have been nice to give her a "Scottish" name.
Right? Going in, from what I heard about the movie, I though Mei's mum was going to be a typical cold, strict Asian mum, ruling over the household and her daughter's life, pressuring jer to be perfect, even if it's only because of generational trauma inside that she's now letting bleed into her own relationship with her child. But no, they had a realistic mother and daughter relationship. She was stern, but from the beginning it showed just how tight she and Mei were, and how caring and affectionate she is as a mum, even if it makes her a bit crazy. And there was hardly any of that helicopter parent thing of treating the child as if they are the parents' thing, and not respecting them as their own individual human being (barring the whole drawing thing, obviously). I was very much surprised, all expectations subverted. Here I thought she was just gonna be another Abuela.
To everyone complaining that Mei didn't have to pay to get into the concert: If I saw a Giant Red Panda climbing a stadium, I would be too afraid of what that thing would do to me if I investigated or reported it. I'd say it's fairly realistic that no one said anything. (also, about the adults entering as the kids are leaving, Everyone was running for their lives, I doubt they cared if some random idiots went back in to try and test fate XD )
Seeing normal Canadian things used as normal Canadian things makes me unreasonably happy.
13:20 the attention to detail on the sin counter when he ACTUALLY sins to the right and left deserves at least 10 overall sins off
But the hypocrisy of saying the Cha-Cha-Slide is accurate for 2002, but then sinning it obviously cause he thinks the song is cringe, (further proving the worthlessness of these "sins") but using this as an excuse to add a buttload of sins through that ChaChaSlide joke is extremely sinnable. So how about we give them...
🎶TWO SINS, TWO SINS!
*DINGDING DINGDING*
🎶TWO SINS, TWO SINS!
*DINGDING DINGDING*
🎶SIIIIIN TO THE LEFT!
*DING!*
🎶SIIIIIN TO THE RIGHT!
*DING!*
🎶NOW IT'S TIME FOR MORE SINNING!
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DI-*
@@HANKSANDY69420 We’ll just put this under the “Jeremy sins something he likes cliche” category
@@dev_sev_ace5329 Lol
Wait I thought this video was sinning Turning Red. Sure, self-sinning Cinema Sins videos exist but uh what's the current number here and what else are we sinning them for lol
Also, edited prev. comment
@@HANKSANDY69420 well they sin themselves in an earlier video so we could always just go on that
@@dev_sev_ace5329 okie dokie
Edited prev. comment again
The Mum and Dad panic over her potentially starting her period is heavily relatable. I was fully prepared by my Mum and I still remember her having a mini freak out when I started 😂
I also may have related waaay to hard too the level of cringe in this movie. Best representation of teenage girl hormones and priorities ever put to screen x
When mine started, I didn't have any headsup about it, so I thought something was wrong health-wise and tried to hide it from my mom at first. On the second month I gathered my courage, told her not to worry because I was ok, and then told her what was happening. When she started crying and laughing and hugging me, I thought I was right and I was a goner and she'd gone crazy xD
@@Perid0tStar Oh gosh, that sounds awful! 😂 I hid it for a day because I thought I could pretend it wasn't happening even though I knew what it was so I can't imagine having it happen unprepared! x
My mom was a nurse and still told me nothing about periods or sex. I learned from friends and school. When I started mine I just started using the pads my sister already had around and never mentioned it to my mom or sisters. She never saw fit to tell me anything important. There was no foundation. I had to deal with it alone. If the adults can't just adult what hope is there for the kids?
I told my daughters well in advance. When they got theirs, we got some pads of their choosing and it was back to business as usual. That's how it should be, not this infantile panic attack. How can we expect people to see this as a normal bodily function if we either shut down or have hysterics over it?
I was at my dads house but saame
@@hotpinkcrayolas I was given unsupervised access to the internet AND my own laptop, so I kinda already knew how sex and puberty worked. It didn't stop me from hiding it for 3 days after I got it
Still love the fact that the mom put her panda in a tamagotchi 😂
Little surprised you didn't mention it at the end there 😜
11:42 because I am Canadian, when I heard "loonie" for the first time it went over my head because I am used to the word, but when you pointed that a lot of people won't get why 1$ is a loonie, it actually is kind of refreshing to hear it because most mainstream movies like this are either in USA or Mexico if in North America, so having a movie setting that is (at least mostly) in Canada makes me a tiny bit happy when I see it.
I personally think it's one of the best and most realistic representation of teenage girls. Teenage girls are cringy as hell and always get into arguments with mothers (mostly) and this movie was way more honest in showing that not so cool side of adolescence. And they actually acknowledged periods as a part of a girl's life! Take that disney princesses who look like they've never gotten a period in their life.
yes, that doesn't make it any less painful to watch.
I agree but there is no clear target audience. It completely rules out 50% of the audience as being a man, and then rules out younger kids, then rules out adults, so the only people who it has meaning to is young teenage girls who like Pixar.
So you guys telling me that everyone goes through puberty, but will kids keep watching the movie in a year or two when they have to go through puberty? And that still discludes boys, as well adults who already know what it's like and don't need Pixar to tell them how their body works. Just saying
@@azzzanadra I'm going to assume you're either A), a guy or B), forgot what puberty was like. Not the movie's problem.
@@DoctorBallsStrikesAgain Just because a movie is about a girl doesn't rule out boys as a target audience holy cow.
I guess I wasnt a typical teen girl lol
7:10 So apparently the window thing is actually something that happened to the lady in charge of this story. She talks about looking outside to see her mom in sunglasses, hiding behind a tree. So... the answer to your question is, this world, I guess?
Truth is stranger than fiction.
17:23
Mei was running like Sonic!
19:30
Coming up next, "What if African people had feelings?"
DAMN
"Just a ball of energy that I am not prepared for." You just described parenthood.
how to prepare for parenthood: make sure you have plenty of money in your wallet (because let's face it, children ask for a lot of things these days), and make sure you have a good paying job
Honestly? I’m not even interested in parenthood.
@@randomhuman5714 Sounds about right
@@randomhuman5714
Me: No you cannot have whatever it is you're asking for....
Child: Why?
Me:
1. We don't have the money for Whatever
2. You have not earned enough for whatever so you're going to have to figure out a way to make more money or wait till your birthday.
3. You have not shown yourself responsible enough for whatever. We can talk about getting whatever after you have spent sometime being responsible.
4. I don't not want whatever in our house. If your friends parents allow whatever in thier house that is thier decision but we will not have whatever here.
Child: that's not fair
Me: life's not fair get used to it.
@@randomhuman5714 children need to be told NO. A lot but not the no because I said so but no because I have thought it through and here's the reasons why not.
Allow them to build an argument as to why they should get whatever they want.
It's an opportunity to teach them negotiation skills, tactics, and logic.
I'm so glad Mei kept her panda. I was worried they'd do the usual boring "this power is too dangerous it has to go" thing.
Also would have totally failed the analogy as well
I was disappointed that the mom didn’t decide to embrace herself too. I guess that’s realistic, though. So people prefer to always hide because it’s comfortable
@@galacticcactus5530 I also felt super bad for the mom because if you set aside the metaphor and focus on just the 'turning into a panda' part she really had no choice to keep it or not. Literally everyone else in the family has a normal-sized panda, but mom's is HUGE - keeping it with her would be a hazard unless it somehow shrinks the more comfortable with yourself you become.
@@bobasho8990 The saddest part is that I kinda think it does. Her panda out in the real world was absolutely gob-smackingly building-sized ENORMOUS, but in the spirit world when she went through the mirror, she was closer to a large vehicle in size, maybe a doublewide trailer. Absurdly large, but not Kaiju-sized. Her panda was _already more manageable_ from having had several recent emotional catharses.
@@QuantumWaltz Aww dang if that's true, that's super sad. When her pendant broke and the spirit burst out, it seemed normal-sized though (I might need to re-watch the movie, my memory is a bit fuzzy).
One thing I love about this movie is how it let teenage girls have fun and have feelings withoht making them feel like they have to be embarrassed for it or be hysterical. And despite all the boy-craziness 🫠 they still didn’t make the entire conflict about fighting over boys and opted for female solidarity and friendship instead; the focus was on the women in this movie and showing the feminine as powerful(what with their matrilineal heritage and all that) and I admire them for that. Also I love the ceremonial outfit and the fact that Priya is canonically bi. And Tyler also being a fan of 4*Town and befriending Mei by the end, though I wish he had apologized to her instead(though at least they didn’t do the “he bullied her because he LIKED HER” cliche, that would have been worse, plus her friends stood up for her). This movie took me back to middle school in a 100% good way. Also, my favorite character is Abby because she is just like me in middle school, both fashion- and personality-wise! ✌🏾
At 18:06, 'Adults' is misspelled as 'adutls'. Add a sin for that!
I'd say this is one of the few times "as you know" is appropriate. It's giving full context to a character before an explanation instead of just repeating what's known for the audiences' sake.
Events nearly always how it's used though that's why I hate when people complain about the phrase
Indeed. One of the few cases of starting with "as you know" as an entry point and then expanding into things not known to the character. Where such a thing counts as a "sin" is when the one being addressed should already know everything being related but the audience is not aware so exposition must happen. In this case we know exactly as much about the situation, on first viewing anyway, as Mei.
@@travissmith2848 and I genuinely never actually experienced that actual senable version of doing it ever unless it's like in a classroom setting where they're taking reviews in which case that fits the setting and is there for also appropriate so yeah I've never found anything wrong with the phrase as you know used for exposition
@@lahlybird895 Common enough to make it into the "Terrible Writing Advice" entry on exposition. Very rare as done in Turning Red, but moderately common to explain to a character something they should already be deeply familiar with as an excuse to get the audience up to speed but acknowledging the fact that the diagetic target should already know it by starting with "as you know...."
@@travissmith2848 JP rants about a lot of tropes and sometimes I swear the trophies ranting about aren't as bad as he's saying they are you know he's exaggerating to the absolute worst possible point for his effect right
Or he's just spinning stuff like this into a lot worse than it is and it doesn't help that lots of other people who read and react to stuff complain about the line being used at all which probably adds to the it's a bad trope conception that he used when he made that
This movie is pretty great. The animation where the dad is cooking is probably the most beautiful and realistic animation I've seen from Pixar. The story is pretty good and wholesome and the movie has some great bits in it too.
“Turning Red” is a very mediocre film in my opinion. It is very cheesy and formulaic, the attempts at humour don’t work for me, the characters are cliché, and this movie overall is not one of Pixar’s best works. However, it is ambitious and well-animated, and the metaphor for puberty is decent.
Also, as a fan of Pixar’s work, “Turning Red” was pretty disappointing for me. The same can be said for the other recent Pixar films “Luca” and “Lightyear”.
@@handev2604 I can agree to that. I've felt the recent pixar films haven't been the best, compared the previous films
Bao had better looking animation tbh.
@@handev2604 Lightyear was way worse than Turning Red or Luca, those movies are pretty good but Lightyear was very slow paced and medicore
@@handev2604 I agree on this but not on Luca, i think Luca did a better job at family troubles wanting to be your own without thinking of your family.
5:28 one sin forward and two sins back
Cringe reference to the Pacifier.
🎶2 SINS, 2 SINS!
*DINGDING, DINGDING!*
🎶2 SINS, 2 SINS!
*DINGDING DINGDING!*
SIIIIIIN TO THE LEFT!
*DING!*
SIIIIIIN TO THE RIGHT!
*DING!*
NOW IT'S TIME TO SWING YE SINNERS!
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DING*
*DI-*
Okay… but the mom hiding behind the tree and getting escorted out by security is something the writer pulled from her own life.😂
(Aside from the drawings scene) this movie was my entire puberty even as a Nigerian-American. I kept glancing at the screen to my bf and screaming "YES", movie gets it
Bro, her mom was WAY too relatable
I'm so sorry for both of you... my mom didn't seem to like me very much but ye gods, at least she didn't butt in after years of not bothering as though she suddenly had a right.
@@BeeWhistler I'm sorry for your experience also. Don't misunderstand, Mei's mom (I'm assuming Nyasha's mom) and my mom love us very much. They're just crazy lol. Their upbringing and the expectations that came with being a female and then a mother, caused them to be overbearing. However, if you look at Ming's Mom, you see that she's even worse. Each generation learns and usually tries to do better than the one before it
@@NicciGemz agree with you there. My mom was overbearing and strict (bruh, you get a B and you don't come home lol) but was trying to do the right thing. So I appreciate how hard Disney went to make it somewhat believable, even if cartoonishly exaggerated. My Gramma was a nightmare in comparison, so I'm never treating my kids that way.
9:33 You forgot to mention how the way Mei-Mei pulls the girls through the window would have BROKEN THEIR SPINES.
I laughed way to hard at the what if women had feelings line 😂 great episode.
6:43 - 7:16 I totally agree with the narrator here.
I mean sure she could hand the pads to the principal or any coordenator which in turn could call Mei and give those to her. But NOPE! Super nervous mom decides to do the worst possible decision which results in public embarrassment
The writing in your sins videos is always spot-on and incredibly clever, but the line "Sun Yee with a chance to meet y'alls" just knocked it out of the park for me.
Tim Hortons in a Pixar movie. Never thought I'd see that 🇨🇦
Unfortunately it’s like the worse Pixar movie I’ve seen 😂
I live in Canada and there are at LEAST 5 Tim Hortons locations near me
@@canbat03 there’s literally a Tim hortons on every major road 😂😂
@@canbat03 there’s a Timmy’s every 5 kms in Ontario it’s insane 😂
@@dodoman6372 You guys have Tim Hortons?
I wish he mentioned how the friends forgive the bully kid so quickly just because he likes the same band. Like that is not an apology
I guess they're even now, ever since Meimei scared him and beat him up (sort of) on his birthday party and humiliated him infront of everyone.
3:48 option #3, mei isn’t the only one in the family “admiring” him, amirite?
You're one of the absolute best at intelligent satirical presentation, and being meta enough to call yourself out and explain the subtle Looney toons joke is fkn fantastic.
[18:32] "This twerks." HaHaHaHaHa!
Lol
😂
16:21 Definitely with you on that one.
I can’t believe that Pixar actually let the main character say ‘Oh Crap’
1:17
It also happens in soul
Of course, just because a movie is rated PG doesn’t mean it will be squeaky clean. Another good example of this is the 1988 film BeatleJuice. One of the scenes has him yell, “NICE FUCKING MODEL!”
19:29 I was not ready for that 😂
"What if women had feelings?" I nearly died!
I almost thought he was going to say "what if Chinese had feelings" or "what if red pandas had feelings".
Women having feelings is a pretty common stereotype, so I don't think this joke works.
@@greywolf7577 I think that _is_ the joke, dude. Duh.
11:20 Holy crap I just figured out what that scene was
13:32
congradulations!
[unding!x5]
As a Canadian I would like to add a sin for putting donuts in a Timbits box.
4:40
I think that, despite its faults, the movie definitely deserves credit for at least acknowledging that girls have periods. It’s absolutely insane how much of the media just pretends that they don’t exist, when nearly half the population on earth goes through it.
I mean, you’ll see a lot of especially mid evil or fantasy shows depict r*pe and super gross hygiene on men for “realism” but heaven forbid the women have body hair or experience periods. In fact, I can really only think of 3 or so shows where a woman’s period is brought up without it just being an “emotional” joke.
Sorry for the rant, I just think we need to do a little better in depicting something that so many people go through
As a woman that has a period, I don’t think it’s that big a deal. Yeah, we bleed every month. We know. I personally can’t imagine many scenarios in most shows where bringing up the fact that we bleed would relevant, unless it was a show that focuses on someone’s daily life. Meanwhile, someone with poor hygiene is a visual thing (usually in their appearance or their surroundings). I don’t think they don’t acknowledge it because they are pretending it doesn’t happen, they just literally have no reason to most of the time. Also I don’t see why you felt the need to throw r*pe in there. R*pe as a show of realism is a whole ‘nother conversation . It has nothing to do with whether periods should be shown more in media.
Also, most women wish periods didn’t exist so a lot of us are perfectly fine with not being reminded that we have them. 😂
@@pathetic2399 I suppose we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Even if having a period doesn’t severely impact you in your everyday life, I think that in other situations they could have a huge impact. Think countries where girls can’t leave their bedrooms during their cycles, or zombie apocalypse movies, or even mermaid movies (think mako mermaids) where it could be used as a joke without demeaning the women. With so much stigma around it, I just think that portraying it more would normalize it and make girls and everyone else who gets a period more comfortable and less shameful about it.
FWIW the word is medieval.
Blood is gross. Diarrhea is a body reaction, but I don't want to see a movie about it and it doesn't make me proud of IBS. I get the whole normalizing womanhood approach, but I have an aversion to blood, that doesn't make me some kind of insensitive monster, but it does make this movie gross even as an allegory.
getting your first few periods is an absolute bloodbath, 100% an emergency
Frr
One sin I thought could have been added is the fact that the teachers never discover Mei as a panda at school - there's no way at least one teacher would have seen the lines of kids waiting outside a supposedly empty classroom, or heard commotion in the bathroom, or something like that and not investigate (also at least some of those kids would have spilled the beans about the panda to their parents).
At 15:25 you forgot that after the injured kid is walked into his house, the only lights in there get turned off. Even if it’s a full moon out, there’s no way you aren’t tripping on your 19th century coat hanger, and all the way up the stairs, too. Unless they have animal powers as well. To that I say: that brat’s better at keeping secrets in his shorts than anyone in the movie. You don’t even know he likes a boy band until the VERY END. Plus he calls mei’s $200 bluff. WHAT KIND OF ALLOWANCE DOES HE GET
The "sin to the left, sin to the right" animation made me laugh a lot harder than it should have. 😂🤣
14:18 that kind of Loyalty while ultimately detrimental to the group is something we all secretly want in our friendships
Ride or Die all for one and one for all...im removing a sin
Based CinemaSins 19:21
8:57 Why is this so funny to me? I know it’s just him asking how strong Mei-Mei’s parents are but gosh.
2:40 Jermey must of left the F word in the sentence without censoring.
Thanks, CinemaSins!
Omg he did.
**ding.wav**
2:54 it's funny because disney owns simpsons now.
A sin I noticed is there isn’t much of a rush to get rid of the panda. Mei doesn’t lose control of herself and go on a rampage, it’s like like she becomes more animalistic and acceptance from her peers comes way to easily.
The sin of the movie being a metaphor when Mei literally shows her panda for money makes me hope that's not what the directors meant.
THE PANDA DOES NOT REPRESENT JUST ONE THING. The panda represents the new person/life stage Mei is growing into which includes, but is not limited to, boys, anger issues, periods, rebellion, independence, etc. At school, the panda = "cool" Mei that her classmates suddenly love
Think about 9/11. Why is no one thinking about 9/11! :P
@@zototheo2580 that... does NOT contradict what the person was saying earlier. In fact it actually makes it worse. Literally everything you said is about a girl growing up... showing how you grown mentally/physically for money... kinda questionable...
@@abloogywoogywoo In what way does 9/11 have anything to do with this movie?
@@Aimi_Kaneko You are very late to the meme party.
The greatest line ever read - 19:28 "What if women had feelings?"
Women having feelings is a very common stereotype, so I don't think this joke works.
"Giving Devon a full mermaid tail but denying him nipples." SENT ME
4:55 I know that like, this is not the channel you go to for actual movie criticisms (for the most part) but I can honestly say that when I started my period my mom was super freaked out.
13:18 this Cha Cha Slide Sin moment was pure fucking gold oh my god
Lol
It's not _that_ weird to say, "as you know." I've worked at a _lot_ of companies where the manager says "as you know" or "as you may know" when reminding us of something.
Yeah, it is a way of getting people to the right mindset. Why is it such a bad thing for movies??
@@Raximus3000 Because it sounds like the character(s) repeat(s) something for the sake of the audience. A good example of this is from "Wreck-It Ralph": King Candy (Turbo) says that the roster for Sugar Rush is "pay to play, we all know this." Some information is so blatantly obvious that one character reminding another character about it sounds like the first character wants to hear themself talk.
Typically, there is a character in a film or show who functions as the "audience surrogate" which means that they are just as clueless as us regarding the information, so sharing that information is not redundant.
If a character were to say "Hey, Tom, my best friend of nine years, I am so glad that Martha from apartment 16D lent us her vacuum to clean up that mess we made with the coffee beans an hour ago," it would be painful because all of that information was said not shown and the aforementioned "Tom" would know all of this because he was there.
@@practicalpisces
Ah, no. That was a polite of saying "pay up to play people." It was a call to action.
Even if I don't agree with every sin, they almost always make me laugh. especially the self aware jokes like nobody understanding sin math
Cinema sins sin: 3:02
C.S. "swallowing a bao bun whole"
Chinese speakers: translates to: "swallowing dumpling bun whole"
A dumpling and a bun are two different things ahh!
Phones make a camera shutter noise because in Asia there was an explosion of creep shots in bathrooms so now the camera phone makes a shutter noise
18:11 adutls 😂
UGH thank you for slowing down the goat part in the horror bc that part SCARES the HECK outta me
7:52 I have that exact sign a few blocks away from my house, it's just red and neon tho.
2:47 is this the first time we heard an uncensored swear word on this channel? cuz that's fucking awesome
I’m glad somebody else said this. Something about that sentence made me do a double take. Sure enough, an uncensored “fuck”
@@RippingDropFuck…
The red panda forms of Mei, her mom and female relatives would fit in well at the world of Kung Fu Panda.
They look more like red pandas than Shifu does. Ok, Shifu does kinda look like a red panda but his fur is more white than red and his snout is more foxlike. Nothing against Shifu tho, he's awesome.
Shifu looks nothing like a red panda, I thought he was a chinchilla when I first saw him. Though I do find the concept of him hating po the panda because his species is considered the "inferior panda" to be hilarious
I agree, but sadly due to licensing this only works in your dream
uhhh no. But if you mean accurate looks for red panda, yes.
I love how you add the memes at the end, And I love your videos, Keep it up!!
19:22 "what if women had feelings?" i'm dying!
I remember seeing a guy say that one of the reasons this movie is unrealistic is because of an asian girl having a crush on a black singer. That was honestly one of the least crazy things I heard people say about this movie 💀.
So by his logic, Tyler and Aaron Z (two unrelated Black/Asian mixed characters) are more fantastical than a girl who turns into a red panda.
They could be worse. Could be that one dude who complained 9/11 wasn’t shown
@@remberforgor ...despite it being set in 2002...IN CANADA!
"That's right Pixar, you're as bad as Star Wars now!"
Let's save that for the Lightyear review.
Right? Lightyear is such a departure from movies like Luca and Turning Red, and not in a good way. They basically ripped off the second Lego Movie.
Hopefully 2023's Pixar movie is good
"With no fear or mistrust, because humans..."
It's Toronto. For years the City had its vampire night club, The Raven. Where people went to roleplay being a vampire. The bar became famous because it was used in a TV series, Forever Knight, and then all the Roleplayers went there.
I'm pretty sure, any Kitsune, fury, and werewolf larper would end up showing up at that temple, almost daily after that.
Everything Wrong with Turning Red.
*Entire movie plays through*
Movie was terrible, I agree
This movie was fucking fantastic. I wish I had a movie like this that addressed growing up in such a direct way. That being said, I don't know that I could have appreciated it the way I do now as an adult. All the intense emotion, newly discovered romantic feelings, menstruation, growing a personality independent of your mothers, and all the absurd sillyness of being that age... it really hit me hard. Not to mention the absolutely wonderful animation throughout. I can't recommend it enough.
Yeah... the last thing I wanna see is a reminder of adolescence. I was left to navigate it without parental guidance despite having parents. I'll pass on this one. The animation was painful enough.
Let's have a sequel. The Pandademic! Where everyone's transforming and its spreading like, err, a pandemic, and its all Mei-Mei's fault. ^_^
i think adults appreciated this movie way more than teens. it's like a trip down the memory lane. i actually love how the main conflict is literally "mom not letting me go to a concert" because it's so spot on. i laughed a lot whenever i saw mei mei did something i would definitely do when i was 13. really brought me back
Same. I wish I had material like this available to me when I was young. Instead I had only my mom and I was taught that I must treat it like a secret, which is just horrible and makes you feel ashamed for something that is completely normal.
@@abloogywoogywoo The movie didn't make much so they're not really gonna make a sequel
1:46 He's... ACTUALLY TOTALLY RIGHT THERE! Woodwinds up front, midrange in the middle and..BRASS IN THE BACK! ALWAYS!!!
Source: Been performing in a wind ensemble for a decade and...THE SET UP NEVER CHANGES!
I'm actually surprised he knows this
I really like that part of moving the sin counter during the cha cha slide part as you said it. It was so interesting to watch as a joke. Lol.
Curt Conners as a metaphor works on multiple levels with this movie