Dawn French Has No Shame - Here's Why You Shouldn't Either
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2024
- Perfection has taken on a life of its own in recent years. Dawn French worries that the pursuit of perfection is stopping us from being who we are, and from making mistakes we can grow from.
In this chat, Fearne and Dawn explore why when we have low tolerance for others making mistakes, we’re likely judging ourselves for our mistakes too. So, in order to have more self-compassion, we have to talk about the cringey times we’ve held inside for fear for being shamed.
They also discuss the best ways to apologise when we’re in the wrong, and to allow space for robust debate that might just change our minds. Plus, why it’s so important to be able to say “I don’t know”.
Dawn’s book, The Twat Files, is out now.
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Dawn French was the first guest Fearne interviewed for Happy Place back in 2018, we're so thrilled to have her back for a second time 💛
And it would be amazing if u read that out on your next podcast so we can actually have someone that doesn't benefit the medias agenda actually have a platform to talk for a change
George harrisons of the beatles last words to the world were to 'be kind to eachother' all John and ringo ever wanted was peace and love amongst humans, theyve all done some much for us, from entertaining us, inspriring us, given us beautiful memories, changing music, to flat out improving the British economy to the standards of america n we cant even try to be kind to eachhother as a thank you to them..georges guitar would be weeping now more than ever. N yh we argue bk, but only when we have to defend ourselves, most of us really dont like attention, we just wanna live our lives in peace. LET Us
@@jadebel7006that’s funny, your comment above didn’t sound too kind…
I long to hear people say “ I don’t know” instead of pretending to know everything.
As a child, my father said to me "never be afraid to say, you don't know, or don't understand" he told me, it was far easier to say that, than it was to pretend to know and look a fool when it was so apparent that you did not know.
I'm an American girl who LOVES Dawn French. What a brilliant talent. 🥰💖💕...truly an amazing woman.
I've had an extremely soft spot for Ms. Dawn French since I was a child thanks to the Vicar of Dibley. She is genuinely a breath of fresh air ❤❤
I really loved this conversation - a meeting of the minds of 2 inspiring, warm and empathetic women. I really appreciated the discussion about the culture we now find ourselves in and resisting dominant narratives. I totally agree that we should be receptive to owning our mistakes, apologise - but I also think it's OK to not take on everyone's critique or correction of our behaviour as 'wrong' as fact. It's OK to appreciate the other person's perspective but kindly hold firm to our own. And agree to disagree
I've a feeling at lot of this is women being shut up about the trans issue and are afraid to talk about it.
Yip. Spit it out ladies. You are also big enough to help out!
I have listened to just the first 16 mins of this podcast for the very first time, and it is striking such a significant chord with the way I feel life and humans have become more divided, than more connected and open to others thoughts through listening and processing, than the single-minded, entitled viewpoints of having to be right. I applaud and champion this openness of conversation, and wish that there was more of it in the mainstream.
we aren't divided, just wrong people have more power
It’s by design, religion, race, gender, sexuality are all being used to divide.
I so agree with Dawn French about the current culture of intolerance. Really enjoyed this discussion
I hope this gets a million listens because ppl really need to hear this message❤
The problem is that adults allowed immature teenagers to rule society.
Every word spoken by these two, makes perfect sense and is so reassuring! I couldn't agree more with all that was said. 👍
A beautiful conversation between two beautiful people
How many of us are haunted by our twatery in the past? The sudden recollection followed by the guttural 'oh no' reaction?😂😂😂
Oh Dawn, you don't need to 'catch up'. You know what you think, and you're not making mistakes but SAY IT!! Be direct, and claim that courage that otherwise makes you the coward you don't want to be. Unless all us women do, it's left to the few brave heroines like JKR, Kellie-Jay Keen, Helen Joyce....
Also, what mistake(s) did JK make?
I agree, a lot of this with JK comes from brainwashing in schools and msm. A woman is a woman. No catching up required. Also, I agree with Dawn and Fearn - genuine grown up debate has all but disappeared. 😢
JK Rowling has been very openly and aggressively transphobic in recent years
Thank you for sharing this, lovely listen. Started to cry when you talked about 'shame' . Its the most dangerous human emotion regarding mental health, goes straight to our survival needs and impact of exclusión and not belonging with a tribe.
Shame is very healthy
Being a younger person who would have been telling Dawn to catch up, you grow a bit older and learn more about the world and then start to realise that those people who seemed out dated in perspective actually have a wise reason for their mindset. Every generation wants to change everything, but not all change turns out to be what’s best.
O Bless you Both for being so Beautiful and Totally Honest about How the World functions today , Thankyou So Much Fearne and Dawn, your both my New Best Friends . Love you Both Billionssssss❤❤❤❤❤❤
JK Rowling hasn’t made any ‘mistakes’ as far as I know.
Amazing conversation. I learned a lot. Thankyou both.
Fantastic interview!! Thank you
I think this is a wonderful conversation,thank you!😊
Loved listening to you guys, Dawn makes so much sense you definitely touched a nerve in me. Thank you 🙏🏼 keep them coming Fearne you are such an inspiration to me ❤
Oh my goodness! Sense at last, compassionate insight, real, honest. Felt like I was sitting with amazing friends watching this. Thank you ladies . ❤
Absolutely fantastic podcast , love Dawn and everything you both have said really resonates, thank you so much
Love it. Absolute pleasure to watch and LISTEN 🎉🎉🎉
How wonderful to share this conversation, the fabulous Dawn & Ferne. Love your conversations. Thank you. 💖🏴
What a legend, your very first guest all those years ago. Her book is fantastic
Brilliant chat 👏 loved it 👍
LOverly chat. Seeing dawn on the telly in the 80s is my happiest childhood memory.
Thank you! So brave to talk about J K Rawling!
Isn't it awful to be considered 'brave' to talk about JKR? Insane times. Dawn French getting backlash and trolled for it, but she's standing firm. Adds to my admiration of JKR's bravery for publically standing up to the mob with logical, class, sanity.
It's a pitty that she didn't elaborate on what mistakes she thinks Rowling has made, because 'none' is the only rational answer when it comes to her speaking out against gender identity ideology and its vicious proponents.
Jk Rowling is right…end of. Be brave enough to say it don’t bother tip toeing round it, that’s weak.
So refreshing, thank you.
Learning from our mistakes. Even better if you can learn from someone else's mistakes 😊
I love JK Rowling!! So glad they spoke about how brilliant she is
Except for the fact that Dawn said Rowling has 'made mistakes', without actualy saying what those mistakes are.
Rowling has simply stated the truth about biology. That's not a mistake. It's vital that people speak the truth.
Very shrewd wisdom. Done beautifully.
Excellent discussion
Ive saved this podcast ,because you both halve done a great job .when i feel i dont know up from from down, because thworld has moved the goal post again .ill remember you guys ❤❤
Dawn & Fearne Are Samples Of Strong Women 💪 Love It.
Being honest now, im recieving nhs home community care . Everything that Fearne and Dawn Are Talking About - The Home Community Nurse Encourages Which - In My Case Is Regaining The Courage To Over-Come The Fear Of Going Outdoor's With Self Confidence Again. Thankyou so much for sharing this. ( sent from Liverpool UK
I hope you are able to get the confidence to go outside again. I definitely have experienced that (& still do) so i know how that feels. My depression, ocd, and anxiety really holds me back in everyday life, and it's only in recent years that i have realised all these things combined have affected me for 30 years in all areas throughout my life. I feel like i can't take risks in case something happens, so i do nothing, and everything i do i seem to fail at. But i carry on regardless. You will get through whatever it is that is holding you back, and overcome it, bit by bit. ;-)
25:24 what mistakes has JK actually made? It would be nice to actually have a robust conversation instead of just endlessly talking about having robust conversations.
Exactly. Dawn is really just sitting on the fence here, a bit like Graham Norton saying that Rowling's speech on gender identity ideology was 'problematic', without actually explaining why.
I think maybe the topic was too big to include in this video? The main discussion was about making mistakes, owning them, not being ashamed, apologising and forgiveness. The trans issue, although touched upon, would have taken over the whole thing I think, if they'd gone down that route?
Should we though? I have no desire or need to 'discuss it'. More attention on the attention seekers.
@@valbonney2575 You’re right it probably would have taken over slightly but that wouldn’t have been a bad thing in my view and would have been entirely relevant to their discussion. Dawn talks about the confusion at being told to simply: “catch up!” instead of having her mistakes explained to her so to then be vague about JK’s “mistakes” in a tone that implies we all just automatically know what they are just makes no sense in the context of the conversation they’re having.
@@feechi8719 Yes, I get what you're saying - in a way, it's almost like WE are being told to "catch up" in the same way that she was!
Dawn and Fearne are just wonderful people.
Dawn is, but Fearne? She knew about Ian Watkins so..
@@EllaJayand how many knew about jimmy saville, rolf Harris, Gary glitter and all the royals, celebrities still doing it now…
Life is about getting messy, making mistakes, learning and developing. It irritates me how polished everything is supposed to be straight out of the gate and that noone gets an allowance for making a mistake, even though everyone is making mistakes all of the time. We have to stop kidding ourselves that life is like an Instagram filter and we need to be more tolerant and nicer to people. The world has become a very aggressive place. :/
Love love love Dawn. Voice of reason ❤
Really enjoyed this educational video ❤
Exactly, precisely, in a nutshell Dawn nailed it for all the political correctness and wokeism, we are still intolerant
What a wonderfull, funny intelligent exchange👏❤️…. Loved the first one too…. THIRD TIME PLEASE?💐🌹
How wonderful this is to see.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Brilliant ❤
I go by my day pretending that i don't know. It feels better 😌, peeps get to relax more with this.
I worked on set with her at the BBC in the 90’s .. She was VILE !! Quite a few people on that set said before I even met her the best part Dawn French ever plays is the part where she pretends to be nice on the screen
I’ve heard she can be rude and unfriendly, but vile!!! Any examples? I’m genuinely interested.
Oh dear, not the jolly plump droll lovable figure we all wanted for an auntie then.
Digital Spy used to have a thread “Nice and Nasty Celebrities You Have Met” ( maybe still there). DF turned up a lot ( in the latter list)- as did her ex.
Love Dawn ❤
Public confessions! What a trip!! Maybe we need a "driving code" for human conduct???
What a wise old bird. We are the better for her. ❤❤❤
Please ladies stop being frightened of having an opinion. It's okay to have an opinion why don't you both try it.
Cowardly to not support women like JK Rowling!!! I hope Dawn in talking about wanting to support JK. I truly amazing woman
JK is amazing and I stand with her all the way!
Intention is everything, im learning to trust that before I allow anyone to shame my opinions or actions. Its my best defence against the modern day Karen. I loved this podcast, thank you
The topic of forgiveness I found particularly interesting. Whilst I can acknowledge the power of forgiving someone something, there are times and instances where forgiveness is not possible, no matter how huge the returns would be. You can just choose to eliminate that person from you life and move on. The key to this is to leave any baggage relating to them, with them. I'm not lugging that around!
This was such a thought provoking interview. I could have listened to you both for hours. I have got to the point now where I won't share thoughts and opinions on social media. I shared some thoughts preciously and was persecuted for want of a better word. How dare I say what I said. After that I gave up offering opinions. I wasn't being offensive or forcing my opinions on everyone else. I just said what I personally thought but the comments I received in reply made me distressed to the point I took my comments off social media. It seems to me you can't have an opinion of your own anymore. If you don't agree with the majority you are forced to keep your mouth shut and say nothing. I do feel like free speach has gone out of the window as well as the right to hold different opinions to every one else. Why can't we debate? Why can't people be accepted for having a different opinion to everyone else? If we were all the same life would be very dull. Your conversation really resonated because you expressed everything I feel. You do feel forced to have a certain opinion even if that isn't what you truly believe. Not only that like Dawn said you do feel like your thoughts, opinions, experiences etc. don't matter. It is a case of keep quiet and stand in the corner. I think this situation will only get worse and that is a very sad thing. If I as an adult feel constricted and restricted imagine how the younger generation feels. I feel it is safer to stay silent unless you want to risk confrontation and unpleasantness. Thank you for raising all these points.
Human beings aren't a topic for debate..of ur opinions hurt ppl come down of ur pedestal have some human decency n respect that ur hurt ppl..u can think however u want, how u think n what u say are very different things , your mother never taught u if u don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all?
George harrisons of the beatles last words to the world were to 'be kind to eachother' all John and ringo ever wanted was peace and love amongst humans, theyve all done some much for us, from entertaining us, inspriring us, given us beautiful memories, changing music, to flat out improving the British economy to the standards of america n we cant even try to be kind to eachhother as a thank you to them..georges guitar would be weeping now more than ever. N yh we argue bk, but only when we have to defend ourselves, most of us really dont like attention, we just wanna live our lives in peace. LET Us
Someone's swallowed the koolaid and the straw.
Fantastic such a beautiful person!
great podcast as brilliant finish... 😂
I love dawn she’s a woman I’d absolutely love to be around me my family my kids this is what we need more of ❤️
I worked on Celebrity Juice for one series. Holly was rude. Fearne wasn’t rude but she wasn’t friendly either.
DAWN ❤
Dawn french is the best😊
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and blummin yes !
Robust debate is all very well, but only with logical, not fanatical others. Robust debate also gets you nowhere when you’re being physically attacked by fanatics
If you say I don't know to someone brow beating you about your opinions it allows them to describe the issue. Unfortunately we may find that they do not have their own view, just recant a dogma they once heard.
im so glad ive supported the French and Saunders franchise since the 2000's from Ab Fab, vicar of dib to French and Saunders I love the quirks and odd moments shown, it made it feel more real and relatable compared to the reality tat that is aired these days. so much of it is copied and paste and fake and robotic and very dictated on non-existent etiquette to the point of suffocation no wonder there's so much despair in the world these days. love dawn with all my comedic heart, an amazing interview
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Does anyone know where I can find the podcast with JK Rowling that was mentioned please?
It's called The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, it's on youtube, apple or spotify
@@feechi8719 ❤️
Still not avail amazon middle east Dawn
Keep your shame safe🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
It's a Cult
The wonderous adorb's Dawn , 🎉🎉 lovely podcast 💛💫💛
Dawn French very funny lady, imagine being married to Lenny Henry must have been absolute torture.Strong lady..
@24:12 May I suggest the essay ¨The Witch Trials of JK Rowling" by Contrapoints? In nearly two hours she explains quite beautifully the bigger context of both women's backgrounds, what is specious about the arguments made and even the title. I think you might like it. Thanks for this wondeful chat.
As much as I appreciate your approach to civil conversation…. Contrapoints is quite foolish
Dawn french is right
🧡💚💜
🐑 totally I feel bad for jojo too
We need far more JK Rowlings. Right now she comes across as the only sane, truthful, clear, honest talking sane woman out there. She is a strong woman in an increasingly weak minded world. (Getting her on the podcast would be phenomenal!) x
I whole heartedly support JK. I don’t care about the backlash, because the few are not going to tell me that I should buy into this whole delusion that because a man has an operation, they are then a woman. Problem is, people are too frightened to go against the majority. People get offended, but what happens when you’re offended, oh yeah, nothing.
She’s so brave, I adore her courage to stand up and speak her mind in a world where women are still told to sit down and be quiet.
Keep standing up JK! Never let anyone silence your truth!
She's not the only one ... may I suggest you have a listen to Andrew Gold's 'Heretics' podcasts (videos available on CZcams), where he interviews a number of other intelligent, sane, truthful and clear-talking women (and some men) on this topic. It's encouraging!
@@ladeanbartlett2530Correctness is the opposite of political correctness. Things like changing a life drastically is not something to be shrugged off. Jk Rowling is completely right from what I've heard from her. She is speaking from the experience of a child who was sexually abused and with the result had body dismorphia. She knows this happens to autistic girls and they having been molested Political will not take that much grooming to jump onto the trans wagon. This is because she cares that she says it not because of hatred towards a genuine case of a wrong outside body for someone with a very different internal body.
correctness is the enemy of democracy. Bearocracy caused children to go to school and lose their genius by aged ten.
Disagree with the video title advice.
I suffered from dibilitating shame for decades. All sorted a number of years ago.
For me, the problem is not shame, but dysfunctonal shame.
Healthy shame, is a built-in morals warning system, letting the person know they've done something wrong that violates one's moral code of conduct.
Dysunctional shame is grossly disproportionate to the event, and feeds self-condemnation.
I appreciate my beneficial shame system that I developed by healing the wounds and dysfunctions that causes dysfunctional shame.
I feel like a lone voice here, but as someone who believes in intersectional feminism, I feel so upset for trans women, & trans people in general. I consider that they are so misunderstood & marginalised still, as a group who have long been excluded, had their existence denied & lived experience misinterpreted & misrepresented. I think there must be solutions to keep all women & girls safe including trans women & girls. We need to broaden our understanding. I don't like the way JK treats trans women.
They are men
How does she "treat trans women"? And what exactly do you consider to be a "trans woman"?
Please know that most sensible women are with JK Rowling. We have sympathy for the very rare people that have true gender dysphoria. Trans Ideology is …. an ideology; faith based, illogical. Dawn, be even braver and stand with us.
I as a gay man stand with you all for sure
I’m an extremely sensible woman. I’m also not a narrow minded bigot.I am NOT with JK Rowling.
i'm wondering if the corner they say they are in is the -supporting JK's stance-? It must be very difficult for famous women, with their career in the public eye, to do so. I love JK. More power to her. And no, I'm not transphobic, I'm live and let live, and live well.. but you cannot do so by taking others rights. A women is a women.. a trans woman is a trans woman, not the same thing. Self ID is a fantasy.
Or say ...
I feel the same
Please don’t shut up. ❤️
She’s a real person - no plastic surgery - happy in her own skin, lined and dried up face etc.
Never found French Funny,
I used to quite like Dawn French however her massive jump onto the woke bandwagon and her very mean verbal bullying toward anyone who disagreed or questioned was very deflating toward my enjoyment of her work. Sad. I remember when we could enjoy actors without having thier political views shoved at us!
let's be honest, Dawn French seems like a total narc 😱
We all know JK is right
Dawn is just speaking in circles. And don't think her new book is about anything other than income.
I think you can have questions about gender but surely calling a trans person a man when they want to live their life as a woman , is unkind. And you don’t need to be a genius or an expert to know that.
Literally lool
"as a woman"?!?? Adult females are women not LARPing males
Men can't be women. Expecting people to lie for the feelings of other women is generally unhealthy for individuals and society.
Being cruel to be kind used to be accepted as actual kindness in responding truthfully to something. Affirming someone’s delusion is unkind, trying to make people pretend they see a woman when a man is in lipstick is unkind. Only females can experience life as women. Life isn’t kind all the time and yet we survive the many, many unkindnesses
Lying to people is unkind, lying to children in particular and allowing them to believe they might have been born in the wrong body is beyond unkind...it is a despicable lie and all of you who applaud it should be ashamed.
JK Rowling has not paid a huge price. She is still exceptionally wealthy and she still has multiple platforms (including writing her own books) in which she can display her opinion. You aren't owed an audience. People are allowed to decide for themselves if they want to continue agreeing with you or they want to give you anymore attention, especially if they think your opinion is damaging to society in some way. If you still have a platform, you aren't being cancelled. The idea that people are being unfair to JK Rowling by stating their opinions about her opinion is just so entitled - the people complaining about 'cancel culture' are so entitled.
entitled? talk about projection..
@@BubbleMix-96 Projection? That doesn't make sense because I am not claiming that I am entitled to an audience's attention either, but people like Dawn French thinks I have to like JK Rowling until I die because I enjoyed reading Harry Potter as a child. How am I being entitled and they are not?
Nobody is owed an audience, but the 'everyone is getting cancelled' crowd are pretending that some entertainers are entitled to your admiration and attention, because they are complaining about audiences changing their mind about their support. Bo Burnham had it right when he said 'If I stop entertaining you, throw me to the curb. I work in the service industry, I'm just overpaid'. He understands that audiences aren't wrong to divert their attention elsewhere for any reason. So what on earth are you talking about?
Ah I get it. You just want to defend Rowling by saying anything, even if it doesn't make sense, because you like that she is transphobic. It is amazing that even with a comment that made very little sense, you managed to reveal what kind of person you are. Yikes.
@@Chrissypoo1992 OK, she is a massive bigot towards trans people then. Better?
2 Karens 🥱
I think you kinda missed their point 🤦♂️
& here’s 1 rude a** 😒
@@lovelybitofbugle219The person didn't even listen. The type to jump to conclusions.
Found the misogynist
..ALWAYS HAD A LOVE FOR DAWN ❤...WONDERFUL,BEAUTIFUL,COMEDIC ACTRESS...LOVE YA DAWN...❤🙏❤
I've heard Dawn French is mean to young women (jealous) and very insecure.
I heard it isnt true
Comedians job requirements 😅
Evidence??
I've heard the earth is flat ... I don't believe that, either!