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The Choctaw nation donated money to famine relief after they themselves suffered the trail of tears. The Irish people never forgot. They built a monument to their kindness in Ireland in county cork. Irish people donated over 1 million to native American tribes in response to their appeal for covid aid in remembrance
Also on the point of Native Americans sending $170 (a lot a the time) relief funds in 1847, Irish people remembered this generous donation last year and set up a GoFundMe which raised $5.8 million to help the Navajo and Hopi Native Americans people this year during the coronavirus outbreak.
To clarify, Irish people didn't set the fund up, but we did donate.
During the famine the British govt donated £8 million directly to the irish.
The Choctaw nations contribution is well known in Ireland. There is a memorial in Co. Cork and it is taught to our kids in school. Our Taoiseach (Prime Minister) even made a special effort to visit the Choctaw reservation (hope that's the right word) on an official state visit a few years ago to reaffirm our connections with these generous people. And finally we got to do a small part in paying our eternal debt back by sending medicine and PPE to the Choctaw during the ongoing Coronavirus pandemic. Such is how long lasting bonds of brotherhood are made.
Yes but they Turkish gave they most. And famine Queen Victoria stopped a lot getting through
@@Irish780 Sultan Abdülmecid I of Turkey wanted to donate 10,000 pound (roughly 1 million euro today) but was persuaded by his own advisors and British diplomats to only give 1000 so as not to show up Queen Victoria's paultry 2000 donation toward her own so-called subjects. However the Sultan did also send three ships to Cork crammed full of much needed relief supplies. His contribution is also well known in Ireland but not as celebrated as the Choctaw donation mainly due to the Irish connection to the USA, the fact that Ottoman Turkey was then and still is today seen as a brutal regime on the whole (see its treatment of Armenians for example) and the Choctaw contribution is from a much poorer people who had only just survived their own cultural and social catastrophe in the Trail of Tears forced relocated of the 1830s, just a few short years before the famine's outbreak in 1845. Nevertheless the generosity of the Sultan is still taught in school when our young learn of this period of Irish history.
The medicine and PPE wasn't sent to the Choctaw nation as they had provisions, but the Navajo and Hopi have and are still receiving donations as their communities were more greatly impacted.
@@Irish780 British govt donated £8 million directly to the irish people.
Set up a works program that employed 144k irish people which in turn supported 800k irish people.
Cost price food shops for the poorest.
Soup kitchens that fed millions.
Repealed tax laws making food cheaper.
Nearly a million irish people fled to Britain to be cared for.
(Unfortunately bringing with them a Typhus epidemic which killed thousands of British people)
Britain helped Ireland during the famine more than the entire planet combined & what do the irish do,,,,,, they slap us in the face by calling it genocide!
@@gradualdecay1040 are you for real haha they biggest reason for the famine was not just potatoes it was they food being shipped to they uk
Black 47 is the year 1847 the worst year of the famine with the most death
The ones who could get out did, they could afford to emigrate, the ones who couldn't stayed because there was no other choice.
The famine could have been easily avoided if the Brits hadn't continued to export all our other foods.
Look up the richest person in Ireland during the famine.
hey from Kinsale (the most beautiful town in Ireland, in my humble opinion haha) - love that you're watching all these videos. If your interested there's a movie called Black47 - its set in the time of the famine/genocide, an Army deserter returns to his family in Ireland only to meet the desolation and death. He goes on hunt the for revenge. Its a good movie but it gives you a really good idea of what it would have been like at the time.
Great film, I really liked Áracht too, in the Irish language
The revolution did eventually come in 1916 and it's what we Irish people celebrate as the biggest moment in our strive for independence. You should watch up on it I think you'd be interested.
The famine broke the Irish as a people. Before the famine, the Irish supported the Spanish and the French in wars against England. But by the first world war, they fought with the English against the Germans. I would not have done so. This is also why I oppose NATO. The Russians are our friends as far as I am concerned.
The reason ireland has a low population today is because it had its population halved 2, maybe 3 times.
1844 ireland had a population of 8 million, 1902 the population was 2.3 million, the after affects of the famine.
When cromwell came to ireland there was a population of 1.7 million, when he left 10 years later the population was 700.000,
I may have heard of a third time but its not at hand.
What about the population explosion before hand?
@@gradualdecay1040 I think ireland is going through one right now, at least compared to the rest of europe.
Remember Britain ruled ireland at this time.
It was a genocide, not a famine
I mean if you have watched all three episodes thus far,
Or better yet read the history yourself then you would know it's not a genocide.
It was merely apathy from the ruling classes, not pre meditated slaughter
It wasn't genocide. It was apathy from the British government which had horrific consequences but that doesn't equate to mass murder.
@@First_Sea_Lord_Ford It wasn't genocide but to say it was mere apathy is underplaying the sinister element to all of this. It wasn't planned but it was convenient way to solve the 'Irish problem' - a population that refused to be more British and had continuous rebellions against English rule throughout history
@@dennetlane2870 actually it was a genocide, in the same way that Holodumor under the Soviets were. Famines are the most common form of genocide, and even in the Holocaust a huge percentage of the deaths were through famine (because if you want to kill a group of people, the simplest thing is not to feed them). The reason that distinguishes genocide from famine is not based on the methods they used to kill masses of people, but rather on the intent, and Trevelyan (and the British government by their support of him and his methods) was famously anti-Irish. Besides, the fact that they actually removed supports showed that it was more extreme then mere apathy, and the fact that they were targetting an ethnic group (the Irish) directly under their control means that apathy isn't an excuse that would stand up to scrutiny. As the only government in charge of the Irish people at the time, they had a responsibility
A genocide caused by famine?
15:50 Irish revolution happened some 50 years later. They gained their independence from the UK during WW1
We Irish do not call it a famine we refer to that time as Gorta Mor the great hunger our ancestors were literally starved by the Brits, deliberately. A good book to read on the subject is The Famine Plot by Tim Pat Coogan
The British govt donated £8 million directly to the irish people.
Set up a works program that employed 144k irish people which in turn supported 800k irish people.
Cost price food shops for the poorest.
Soup kitchens that fed millions.
Multiple brit charities also aided.
Nearly a million irish people fled to Britain to be cared for.
(Unfortunately bringing with them a Typhus epidemic which killed thousands of British people)
Britain helped Ireland during the famine more than the entire planet combined & what do the irish do,,,,,, they slap us in the face by calling it genocide.
@@gradualdecay1040 While the British government donated £8M the money did not go directly to the Irish people. The vast majority of the money went into the pockets of the English landlords who for the most part were absentee landlords and did nothing to alleviate the sufferings of the people. Some decent landlords did offer help but it was not enough. Plus there was tons of food in Ireland but it was taken from the Irish and brought to England, for every ship that arrived in Ireland with grain six ship loads of food went out. The Irish peasant was literally starved into emigration or death those that came to England with typhus did so as a direct result of starvation caused by the inactivity and awful response to this tragedy.
@@anthonymcloughlin2634 nothing was taken.
Even after exports there was plenty of food but the poorest still couldnt afford it.
Guiness imported thousands of tonnes of the finest oats, wheats & barley from afar, not a grain was seen by the starving locals.
Proof of £8million going direct to landlords?
@@anthonymcloughlin2634 who aided Ireland the most?
@@gradualdecay1040 Certainly not the English government, read the Famine plot by Tim Pat Coogan, it will show you all you need to know about the provision of relief for the Irish by the English. It’s not the amount of money donated that is the problem it’s how it was used.
By lonely prison wall,
I heard a young girl calling,
“Michael, they have taken you away,
For you stole Trevelyans corn,
So the young might see the morn,
A prison ship lies waiting in the bay.”
Low lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly,
Our love was on the wing,
We had dreams and songs to sing,
It’s so lonely round the fields of Athenry.
The soup kitchen things they had basically in many you had to agree to become a Protestant to get food. The Quakers offered food with no strings.
False. It was very rare & frowned upon by all including the protestants.
Thank you for learning. Anyone giving you guff can kick rocks
As an Irish woman I’d like to thank you for taking the time you learn a bit about our history. 👏🏻👏🏻
Thomas Malthus - rumour has it that his theories inspired Thanos's theories.
I remember my mom telling me about my family descendants were evicted from their farm. They walked for days to a work house. Some died on the way between Kilkenny and Tipperary. They were buried in a mass grave. My uncle looked up on my family history and found the name of one of my descendants, who was hanged for stagecoach robberies at the time of the Famine. Sad thing is I can only find bits of info about my descendants and what happened to them during the Famine.
Irish history is absolutely fascinating, Devon, and I'm glad you're taking a look at it. If you finish the 3rd part in the series, you should definitely then check out The Troubles, from 1969-1998. That was the conflict that happened in Northern Ireland involving the Provisional IRA, Loyalist Paramilitaries, and the British Army. That will shed even more light on the beef between Ireland and the U.K. The channel Feature History has a two-part series on it that I think you would enjoy. Keep up the great work!
From wikipedia:
- "With the most severely affected areas in the west and south of Ireland, where the Irish language was dominant, the period was contemporaneously known in Irish as An Drochshaol, loosely translated as the "hard times" (or literally, "The Bad Life")."
- "P. infestans is still a difficult disease to control. There are many chemical options in agriculture for the control of both damage to the foliage and infections of the tuber. A few of the most common foliar-applied fungicides are Ridomil, a Gavel/SuperTin tank mix, and Previcur Flex. All of the aforementioned fungicides need to be tank mixed with a broad-spectrum fungicide such as mancozeb or chlorothalonil not just for resistance management but also because the potato plants will be attacked by other pathogens at the same time.
If adequate field scouting occurs and late blight is found soon after disease development, localized patches of potato plants can be killed with a desiccant (e.g. paraquat) through the use of a backpack sprayer. This management technique can be thought of as a field-scale hypersensitive response similar to what occurs in some plant-viral interactions whereby cells surrounding the initial point of infection are killed in order to prevent proliferation of the pathogen.
If infected tubers make it into the storage bin, there's a very high risk to the storage life of that bin. Once in storage, there isn't much that can be done besides emptying the parts of the bin that contain tubers infected with Phytophthora infestans. To increase the probability of successfully storing potatoes from a field where late blight was known to occur during the growing season, some products can be applied just prior to entering storage (e.g. Phostrol). The problem with products being sprayed on tubers just prior to storage is that you are applying these products in an aqueous solution and high moisture carries a high risk of tuber breakdown due to wide range of pathogens.
Around the world the disease causes around $6 billion of damage to crops each year."
The merchants were actually forced to export their food to England because Irish grains fed about half of England. A government based in England obviously valued the lives and stability of english first etc.
False. Guiness imported thousands of tons of the best grains just for his beer.
No one was forced.
Damp/rain conditions are when you really need to mind the spuds, they are sprayed with a fungicide as blight prevention. Airborne spores so the blight travels in the right humid damp conditions
Local to me is a tower on a hill, it was built by the local pesants - it was commissioned by the local landlord Lord Hedford, to give local men and families a wage. Its call Lloyds Tower in Kells, Co. Meath. The couldnt look at the starving families any longe - so the story goes.
Christof: "... I have since learned that the Tzimisce have travelled from (Prague) to London, and by sea to a land west of London, called New York. Perhaps this New York lies within Ireland?"
Pink: "Ha! No! Ever since the famine, Ireland lies within New York! Ha! Ha!"
Wow, my ancestors on my mom's side were from that county before coming to America and I never knew the details about the potato famine.
Now you do know, dont trust the lads in charge demanding people starve for 'the free market'.
Get your hands on a copy of Liam O Flahertys 'Famine', novel set during the Great Hunger, out of print but can be got, Abe Books is good.
He's a brilliant writer, and that book really gives a sense of the time
You've only heard the propaganda here.
The song called The Fields of Athenry immortalised the story of the Famine in Ireland.
They had signs sayin 'no blacks, no Irish, no dogs'. Personally i think that's the best three categories of creathurs! ❤
The Irish were conquered by the English/Normans beginning in 1169 but governed by the British. The crowns of Scotland and England were merged in 1603 after the death of Queen Elizabeth, who died only a few weeks before the Irish conquest was completed. So the conquest was England and the subsequent oppression was Britain.
" "Black 47" refers to the worst year when people had nothing, the relief had stopped and people died after being evicted in the worst winter in memory.
While your reacting to this, I think there's a movie called Under the Hawthorn Tree. It's about the famine, 3 young children. If you find it you should do a reaction to it
Starving peasant do not good revolutionaries make!
This is why our revolutionary period, both political and cultural, takes place over the 70 years after the famine. Westminster had shown that a 'strong English hand" was of no benefit to the Irish people so once the farmland was secured (during the Land War) and the sense of "Irishness" re-established (with the founding of the Gaelic Athletic Association promoting our national sports and the Gaelic League reaffirming our language, music and dance) we looked to ruling ourselves as Britain had shown to be completely inept.
Oh and to answer your question, officially it is the United Kingdom that Ireland had beef with during this and later periods but as most of the UK is on the island of Britain and the English were the driving force behind the vast majority of government policies, UK/British/English are often interchangeable at this point.
They fought England before Great Britain unified, and Great Britain after they unified.
Black 47 is a reference to the year 1847 when the famine/genocide reached its peak
This is a big part of my family's history as my mother's family (if you trace them back far enough) all came from Ireland, I live in Scotland and my dad's side are all Scottish, and you're right. The country was too weak for revolution at that point but it came. Started with the Easter proclaimation of 1916 and continued on to the Irish Wars of Independence from 1919-1921 which forced the Brits into a cease-fire and a treaty which ensured the southern states would become the "Irish free states" but remained part of the commonwealth as Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa had before it. The aftermath of the famine and the subsequent fight for Irish independence is a fascinating journey and it's even more recent as you think, The Troubles in N. Ireland didn't end until 1998 and was so monumental that US President Bill Clinton made the journey to N. Ireland to give a speech (if you every watch Derry Girls it's a plot point in the last episode).
I read one account of a woman who was kicked to death by the landlord because she took food from a pig trough. People were kept off the land by the landlords. What they were allowed to rent were small allotments. How do you feed a family of 18 on half an acre? You can`t, but potatoes can yield up to 3 tonnes per half acre so that was the best option. And, having grown the food, the landlords wanted half of it for rent. It must have been extremely difficult even with perfect growing conditions. I don`t blame blight for the famine. The Irish were kept off the land. Had they not been, there would have been no need to rely completely on potatoes, they could have grown other crops and kept their own livestock. It was a man made disaster but I guess for reasons of diplomacy, a lot of people don`t call it genocide. The evictions made it worse.
You talk a lot about revolution. I think you would enjoy the video Rules For Rulers by CGP Grey.
The most deplorable conditions don't result in successful revolutions. Only if the population is somewhat fed, somewhat educated, and somewhat healthy do they revolt. They're educated and healthy just enough to be able to do something about their awful conditions.
Meanwhile those under the worst conditions don't successfully revolt simply because starving disconnected illiterates make lousy revolutionaries.
Ireland was the poorest nation in all of Europe. Now starved, shoeless, wearing rags, and without a penny to their names, there was very little they could do but scavenge and steal from what little remained.
I can't see them any worse off than the Russians before their revolution. Plus, they had the benefit of living in their own country separated from their oppressors. I think what they may have lacked was a leader to organize the people.
@@DevonDaVinci I would have to disagree there, at least at this time of Irish and British history.
First, Ireland's separation from Britain is moot due to the fact that Great Britain built an empire on naval dominance. If anything, the proximity to England was a detriment to Ireland is why it took so long for them to tear away from the iron grip of London.
Secondly, and going back to the Rules for Rulers, the Cromwell laws that were talked about in the first episode were so effective at keeping any Irish or Catholic out of power that there really isn't anyone that could have organized a successful rebellion. Part of the reasons why Russia and France had successful revolutions when they did were because at the time the peasants were developing a level of power and influence as certain oppressive laws were being repealed, hence why it seems only the fairest governments or the harshest dictatorships seem to prosper whilst any move away from either state lends to devolve into Revolutions. In the case of the Potato Blight, the Irish were at the bottom of the food chain in their own nation, with all the landlords, business people, and government officials being predominantly English and Scottish and who see your continued oppression as the ticket to their personal fortunes. The only course of action the Irish really had was to flee to other nations in hope of better lives elsewhere.
I live in Co Clare. There’s a famine grave yard not far from me. It’s a very heavy sad place to visit.
8:21 wow imperial UK sounds a lot like modern USA. I guess being an empire does that to a country
England invaded Ireland after Wales, but before Scotland. Scotland was already unified under a single throne, while Wales and Ireland weren't. The wars that William Wallace led were actually started with an English intervention into a dispute over the Scottish throne. England had to leave Scotland after the Scottish nobles agreed on a new king to lead them.
Ireland invaded & colonised Scotland.
It was called black 47 because it happened in the year 1847.
Heard stories and it's possibly true that protestant churches did serve food to the Irish peasants but only if they converted to protestantism which I'm pretty sure goes against what the bible says about charity. Also heard that catholic priests would stand outside saying they'd be damned if they converted.
' taking the soup'
It was very rare & frowned upon by all including the protestants.
5:23 The problem is is that he wasn’t capitalist, he was a liberal (I think)
Liberals were capitalist in Europe at that time (and today). There are often differences between different (European-) countries, but you cannot apply US-logic here. In Europe most countries have a Social market economy, which is capitalism with a few socialist sprinkles, but at that time Socialism didn't exist yet. Most often had two sides: Protectionists and 'Free Traders', protectionists wanted an exonomy controlled by the state, the 'Free Traders', or Liberals (from liberty = free), wanted to have as little governmental intervention as possible. In the UK this was the Whigs party, which mostly consisted of traders, bankers and upper working class.
Nowadays in the US Liberal is used as a catch'em all for everything left of the center and Conservative for everything right of it. (But keep in mind that in many European countries this center is more left than the US ones and vice versa. So what Europeans would call a conservative, a US-American would call a liberal and what a US-American would call a Conservative would be called right wing and at times also Nationalist or Right-Wing-Liberal.
Take a look that this video. czcams.com/video/fpMAy6pfHbM/video.html They made it seem like the soup kitchens where a good thing and that they where helping but it wasn't. Basically, they thought ireland was overpopulated and also they hated catholics and so they offered them soup and if they wanted the soup they would have to say they where a protestants and say a bunch of prayers and if you didn't you where killed. So it was either become a protestant and have soup or be killed. And the soup was rotten, like it was inedible. It wouldn't kill you but you would probably throw up. They made the soup so disgusting because if it was rotten then people wouldn't want it. Therfore they would just have to starve.(so it was basically just a plan to get rid of some of the population)
You’re so right. Most poor folk work more hours than rich folk - and education in poor areas is often poor.
the ditch says it all. lol
You can spray the leaves now after you plant them
No revolution happened? Maybe not immediately, but have you noticed Ireland is its own country now? After a shitload of bloodshed, Ireland (well most of it) gained independence.
and thanks to India and the West Indies for sending help too
i know this history well and its still hard to listen to it. theres a reason there are very few dramatisation/movies etc of this topic. its still very emotional for most irish people, it is only a few generations ago really; the effects are still felt in so many ways. if you want to see more on these topics check out the irish language film (with subtitles!) Black '47. or the TV episode of 'who do you think you are' with Emma Willis.
also re the soup kitchens - they required catholics to renounce their religion and adopt an english name. many irish family names dropped the O' before the name for example.
@@catherineblack3404 that was extremely rare & frowned on by all including the protestants.
Mother Theresa did worse, except she did it with people on their deathbed.
47 is the year 1847. I think it was the worst year of the Famine.
there is 32 counties and 26 are in the republic and 6 in the north
15:34 they don't have gun
Woah my hometown skibbereen got a shout out. Pretty sad though
The irish potato went extinct
#davincireacts The Troubles part 1 and 2 by Feature History.
6:36 I’m not saying white people are racist but this is kinda like black people saying white people are naturally racist.
Class warfare
Hang on it wasn't Irish merchants exported the food, it was commandeered by the British for the British
No, never!
Tell me you are British without telling me you are British!! Facts or facts
It was bought & sold on the open market.
Zero theft!
@@gradualdecay1040 right oh
@@ko0974 there was loads of food in Ireland but the poorest people still couldnt afford it.
Watch The story of Ireland doc by the BBC. Yes BBC is English but its good and tries to stay neutral. 6 1 hour episodes I believe.
Black 47 was the year dude.
I'm Irish by the way.
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Often the problem with just having one crop in the fields (monoculture) is the diseaces/pests that spread rampid, still today this problem is big in poor nations, but conventional agroculture has poison spray to deal with it. A solution is to plant a diversity of crops and not just endless fields of wheet, corn etc. In one place.
That was impossible as the English aristocracy owned more than 90% of the land
@@DeclinedMercy I don't see what you mean, the land was still cultivated by the poor Irish tenants and it is a fact that basicly all crops consisted of potato
@@90skid97 That is not a fact, it is the opposite of a fact. How it worked was the land was owned by English landlords but they needed someone to grow all the food for them because they weren't gonna do it themselves. They would allow Irish tenants to take small pieces of land, usually the worthless land the landlord didn't want, and in exchange the Irish paid rent by working the landlord's fields and growing crops or raising livestock for the landlord. The Irish tenants would grow their own food on the plots of land allocated to them and they grew potatoes because the land was too small and poor to sustain them otherwise. The landlords would get a large amount of vegetables and meat for basically just owning the land and in exchange they let the Irish survive on the fringes of their property. The potatoes were a large percentage of the peasants diet but only a tiny percentage of the total agricultural yield of the island which was at the time growing enough food to sustain itself more than ten times over.
Ireland wasn't absent food during the famine, agricultural productivity actually increased during the famine years and it was an incredibly diverse yield. People like you have bought into the notion that Ireland was a land of monoculture when in fact it was quite the opposite, the English just exported everything else. The famine wasn't caused by nature it was caused by the British/English landlords and their (mis)management of Ireland, the devastation caused by the blight was only possible because the British stole over 90% of the land in Ireland and mismanaged it to make themselves wealthier. Irish land was just an asset to be milked for them. The majority of the land was used growing food for the British Empire (especially England and the British military), not for Ireland.
@@DeclinedMercy Dude you got some resources about this era that i can make use of? That would be nice.
@@denizergun6325 no not really. Stuff I learned over a period of years.
6:25 an idea that manages to survive to this day in the USA, why your safety net has reduced so much
Edit : Oh you pointed it out right after that ! Yup. Tbh it's one of the founding myths of capitalism
7:11 Exactly ! Blaming a different group for being poorer but ignoring who made them poor in the first place without any systemic help yo get them out of poverty