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It should be noted Ireland's population still hasn't recovered since the famine and subsequential mass emigration .
Around that time there were more speakers of the Irish language gaeilge in the world than sweedish. No more than 60 years later and the language had almost been eradicated.
@Big Cone most people in Ireland (not northern) were forced to learn it as a mandatory subject for 12 years and dont know much beyond 'tá scammal sa spéir. Túr dom an cáca milis' thanks to the Heineken ad being funny (and was actively taking the piss out of how little irish people really know of their language as he strings together random irish sentences people remember from school). There are Gealtacht areas in Canada believe it or not and a decent chunk of the west coast speak predominantly Irish. But saying most Irish people speak is a very misleading statement. Learning irish is a love or hate thing. You either got a passion for learning it or you dont. But generally speaking most people here dont and so 12 years of badly taught language classes did little to keep the language in the head of the disinterested. We did a report on a 10 minute short called 'yu ming is ainm dom' about a chinese man that reads that irish is our national language and so learns irish and moves over here, can read all the signs no problem but because he landed in Dublin no one even recognises hes speaking Irish, they think its chinese. As a nation we are pretty self aware how many people didnt retain any irish despite the mandatory education.
Whist. We're gran.
@@lethalanelle caca milis was down right terrifying hahah
@Big Cone most people in Ireland don’t speak it. The vast majority of people here, I’d say around 75%, only know how to say “an bhfuil cead agam dul go dti an leithrais” (can I go to the toilet)
Most people in Ireland actually do not speak the Irish language simply because the teaching methods sucked and it was beaten into us in school, the vast majority of Irish people hate it which is a shame
I'm sick to death of hearing the Great Hunger being described as a famine. The potato had a blight but there was plenty of food on the island. The English shipped tons of it out from ports each week. It's very well documented. They starved the Irish intentionally. It was a genocide, it's that simple. To say otherwise is an insult to all those who died, over 1 million, and all those forced to leave. To this day the population has not recovered. During that time it was 8 million, it then went to 2 million after the great hunger and today it is just 4.5 million.
don't forgot us northern fenians
It was done on purpose
@MsMissy "They were not starved intentionally and IT WASN'T GENOCIDE"
-person with the Union Jack profile pic
@MsMissy it was absolutely a deliberately engineered genocide .. Trevelyan wrote to Lord Monteagle of Brandon, a former Chancellor of the Exchequer, that the famine was an "effective mechanism for reducing surplus population", and was "the judgement of God". Further he wrote that "The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the (Irish) people”
@msmissy6888 Do some research please. Look up Charles Trevelyan.
The irish / british problem was not based on religious differences, not initially anyway. As they have described in the video, Ireland was colonised by Britain, with the native Irish population becoming more or less enslaved tenants.
I wouldn't call it a rivalry, more akin to how the US treated the natives. If a country tries to destroy another's culture, language and history. And then turns around and can't understand why you won't just assimilate, then its not a rivalry but something more
It's called genocide and it should never be taken lightly.
@@Fafnd Agreed.
Teachers used to hold secret classes out in the woods in order to continue teaching gaeilge and irish culture. They would have one of the children climb a tree nearby as a lookout for the British as it was outlawed.
Hedge schools
Nothing to do with religion. From an Irish point of view, we were simply invaded and occupied against our will. Its that simple.
We are known as the fighting Irish as we were still at war until the good Friday agreement.
We've been fighting to get bits out for 800 years.
Brits were enslaved by the Roman's for 400 years & when they left, they left a power vacuum & Britain fell into chaos & the Irish took advantage of this by slaughtering & enslaving innocent brits for a further 300years.
Good man, Devon, from an Irish person. You're from a completely different culture and background so big respect for diving into this. And yet, there are many many similarities between us Irish and African-Americans
Love that you're reacting to this - more people should know the history of Ireland and the deep systemic oppression it underwent for hundreds and hundreds of years. Frederick Douglass and the Irish political leader Daniel O'Connell were friends who saw their people had more in common with one another than what separated them. Can't wait for the next video :)
Frederick borrowed agitate agitate agitate from Daniel
18:48 The treatment of Native Americans in US history comes to mind.
I wouldn’t call it rivalry just a long history of wars and rebellions
My ancestors were Anglo-Irish, it’s not a great feeling but I’m here now.
It was not a famine, it was a genocide
@@tophatgaming1873 look up your countries history of how things happened in Ireland before you reply stupidly. Accept your history and open your mind if you can to what your ancestors done to my land
@@tophatgaming1873 I understand you don’t want to see it that way but it was absolutely genocide. They could have helped us and fed us but they chose to see us starve and watch our children die of starvation.
@@tophatgaming1873 They wanted the county not the people so yeah! It’s still genocide!
@@tophatgaming1873 Well if you don’t know by now, I’m not going to educate you.
@@tophatgaming1873 many sticks say the Holodomor in the USSR was a genocide like the great iranian famine where the disaster plus government policies made things worse
Fun Fact: The English and Irish have had beef since the word beef was invented.
said Piggy
Horrific as well, billions of innocent cattle suffering and killed by humans since then to now by the millions with no need to at all.
You're a good man
@Dharmabum9287 and beef is also female milking cows, worn out bodies from human abuse and killing.
Le Boeuf comes from the Normans.
I’m only at 10:00 but I can assure you it has nothing to do with religion. Religion is just a helpful delineator between native and invader.
Couldn't agree more
I'm Irish American, dad grew up in Limerick, Ireland. I have spent enough time in Ireland and learned enough about its history to realize we are the same. Solidarity with African Americans, native Americans, Chicanos, Puerto Ricans.
This is the only American reacting to Irish history and not pretending he knows it all and knows fuck all. my man you just earned a sub
An open-minded American is a rare ocurrence
I'm from the UK, hate what we've done with Ireland. Thing is, now as then, the *leadership* have different ideas and we can't always force them to behave... :/
Also, so you know, the UK was barely a democracy at this point in history. There were elections of a kind, but only men who owned property of a certain (significant) size could vote, and you would only vote for your local representative. But there was BS around that too, with some places where the population had decreased to almost nothing having 2 representatives, while other places where populations had rocketed to like 1 million maybe had 1 representative.
So basically all politics was controlled by male elites and was pretty f-ing corrupt.
One thing I would implore you to check out is the British historical comedy Blackadder, which had an episode about that (series 1 was meh, but 2-4 were gold). And Red Dwarf, a UK sci-fi sitcom, because I love it and it gets into real philosophy sometimes
@Harry the Irish lad I'm with you, man - I wanted to Remain. Boris Johnson is a tw*t, I'm hoping if the US elects Biden he'll keep the pressure on the govt to not screw over Ireland if we want a trade deal with America. If it's Trump though... well, it really says something about you and what you're doing if Trump likes it...
Aye, the Westminster elite haven't changed much.
I don't think anyone seriously blames normal British people for history in Ireland.
You had your own troubles with your governments.
We're all basically the same; human.
Unfortunately, governments tend to be inhuman
@@velvetunderpants44 That's right brother. I'm Scottish myself, ended up in Australia... I love English people but it wouldn't be wrong of me to say that I resent and hate Westminster with every ounce of my fucking soul. Westminster keeps Scotland down, it keeps large parts of England down too and then you have people from London who just look down on everyone outside London.
Funny few videos for you, watch these; "Scotland what country do you hate the most?", "England what country do you hate the most?", "Ireland what country do you hate the most?". You won't even expect some of the responses, a little bit of madness.
It was a genocide of the Irish people
11:59 We're from Australia and mum says she still remembers kids in her class in 1960s Tasmania talking about 'Irish Dogs' and 'Catholic Dogs'.
No blacks no dogs no Irish
And what did she do about it? How did she react?
One thing that is often forgotten about in relation to the famine and irish history is language.The vast majority who died in the famine spoke irish or as its called in america gaelic.The differences are not just about religion.
As an Irish person who lived in England for 6 years (I have moved home now) obviously you can’t blame British people for what went on in the past if they never had anything to do with it. But I did always find that they never seemed to be taught about their own history of what they had done. All of my English friends used to imitate my accent and say potatoooo which if you think about it is referring to a genocide, you wouldn’t exactly go up to a jew and say Holocausttttt. Also one young bartender once told me that his grandmother moved over to England during the famine, she must have been nearly 200 years old
Good man Devon. Great video. Ireland is an ancient place who taught the English how to read and write back in the 6th century. Also check out the choc taw nation in your country and our beloved bond. Keep up the good work dude
Dara in tullamore ireland
@Kyle P.V whats your point. The Irish taught the people living on the island of Britain to read and write. Fact.its irrelevant what race they were
PM Tony Blair in the UK - made full And decent apology in Parliament in the90s. It was hugely appreciated in Ireland 🇮🇪
Donal Mulvey sorry after the fact is always easy..., I can't go past my great-grandmothers lineage because her mother fled with her younger siblings. My heritage stops with her. But, thanks for your apology TB....
The problem of religion was already a part of English history, going back to the mid 16th century. The problems between Ireland and England was that we, the irish fought against being colonised and this was especially true after the famine.
Was nothing to do directly with religion this was genocide....there was actually enough food in Ireland during the famine but it was kept towards the landlords and sent back to the British Empire
Thank you for taking the time to try and understand our very complicated and long history. We had the same struggles as your people did and still have. I think that’s why the Irish people have such a close relationship with communities that have been beaten down like we were.
I think potato blight originated in Brazil, the home of the first spuds. Today, in Africa, they call potatoes "Irish potatoes" for some reason. Did we give Africa spuds? But on the humble spud, I no longer eat them with a dollop of butter, instead I drizzle some olive oil on them. Delish.
The English invasion of Ireland started around 1300, before England became Protestant but the English got much worse after they became Protestant. My own ancestors were massacred on Dursey Island in 1602.
It's interesting and encouraging to see an Americans reaction to the history of this period in Ireland. A recent poll conducted in mainly England asked what percentage of people in England would be happy to see the UK get out of here in the North of Ireland and Ireland would be unified once more. A whopping 71% voted in favour.
During this brexit bollocks and the pandemic, many are worried that the English parliament will use the North of Ireland as another cash cow, food supplier as we are attached to the EU physically, and the EU said it will not leave Northern Ireland behind. They (English parliament) have taken our food stocks before during the potato famine, to feed themselves. And with johnson as the English PM, that evil empirical state of mind is back, unfortunately. Next year is the centenary of the invading British occupation of the North. Though something tells me it will either not happen, or if it does, it will be a damp squib.
Thank you, sir, it does my heart good to see people looking to learn. I try to talk to people every day. Learning leads to understanding, understanding leads to compassion
Religion was really just a label or identity. The real issue was Britain colonised Ireland and saw the native Irish as an inferior race. Almost barbaric. Catholicism was just part of that. But really it was just an arbitrary reason the British could 'other' Irish people to feel superior and to justify the actions taken against Ireland and it's people. IE take their land, rights and freedom by any means possible
Fkng spellcheck and YT
It happened bro
Irish were and continue to be mistreated
Blight is the disease that caused the famine. Hence why the title has the word in it. The blight causes the leaves to die on the potato plant and the potato will become rotten and smell. As it was the main food source in Ireland at the time it caused the famine. Occurs in very humid and wet weather. Famine lasted 1845-1850. The worst year was 1847. Its called Black 47. The problem with the UK was the fact that Landords evicted people from there houses and sent them to workhouses where families would be split up. Also the UK would take Irish grown corn for themselves while less nutritious and not as nice. This is where the song the Fields of Athenry came from. Also the fact that the Brits would send the people that would fish in rivers for food on criminal ships to the south of Australia and there's an island south of Australia not sure if its Tasmania or another one but its in Botany Bay, hence why Botany Bay is in The Fields of Athenry. It was the neglect of the British towards Ireland and its people that was a major cause of the Fenian movement. Also the Brits took Ireland because they thought the Spanish or French could use Ireland as a base to invade Great Britain.
It’s never just religion- it’s politics and power. England went Protestant because Henry VIII was desperate for a legitimate heir, and so became head of his own church when the Pope refused a divorce, because Henry’s wife was the King of Spain’s sister. This ended up meaning England had a State Religion, and if you didn’t tow the line, you were suspect at best, and not just Catholics- Baptists, Presbyterians and other non-conformist churches got it in the neck too. This is why so many Scots-Irish founding fathers were so adamant about maintaining a division between church and state; they saw where that inevitably ends up.
The same english/british banned Scottish people for being Scottish
Against the law to speak Gaelic
Against the law to wear tartan
Against the law to play bagpipes etc
Saorsa gu alba
Thx for covering this, I have 3 known family lines that came over through Ellis Island all under endentured servantude during The Great Famine. We found through research 2 of the families lived, worked & roomed w/ the owners' African slaves. We couldn't find info on the 3rd. Found 1 later living in The Five Points which you probably heard of w/ members having criminal records. You have a good head on your shoulders & really enjoyed your thoughts.
Really love your videos. Hope you're doing okay during these challenging times. I'm living in Scotland but I'm from Ireland. Haven't been home since December 2019 and I miss my family terribly. I really like how you make the point of doing positive things for your community. Having this time away from home it has given me an outside perspective on what Irish people can work on. I've had hard conversations with my parents and relatives about their prejudices and racial biases. Thankfully, for my parents at least, having that conversation and educating them about the issues has made them aware and willing to change their perspective. I can't do much from here, but I'm doing what I can.
You are doing a great job. Did hear of this mabe in one sentence in my history class. Same with a lot of your picks. I am from Iceland and our history lessons in the past focused a lot on us, Europe, US and less on other areas. I am a teacher and this has changed a lot.
If you can do a simplyfied version of the situation in America at the moment I would hail you and knight you. Much needed! :)
You see how they treated the Irish ☘️ no votes
It's nice to see an account about English colonizers and the genocide that almost happened due to the laissez-faire economics of the Whig Party! There is so much more to the Anglo-Irish conflicts, but that would take way more time and depth than could ever be covered in a few podcasts. Also, the conflicts are really not about religion although religion does come into play. The conflicts are more about colonization, taking away land, taking away property, taking away freedoms, taking away language, starving them out, and using politics to take advantage of the Irish people. On the Irish side, it's about standing up against the oppression and colonization. However, always remember that the Irish aren't victims here, they are stubborn, resilient, tough, proud and they are survivors! They don't give up, they even ate grass to survive! About 70% survived the immigration "coffin ships" with not enough food to last the 40-day journey across the Atlantic. So, the very least that could be done is for history to recognize that the British government could have helped Ireland (especially after the English took ownership of the Irish farm lands), but they did not provide help until it was too late! Call it like it is, "intentionally looking the other way and starving people out".
Keep the Irish language alive! Éirinn go Brách! 🇮🇪
Hello Devon. I admire you and enjoy your commentary. Thanks for sharing.
1847 was the year it all began deadly pains of hunger drove a million from the land, Christy Moore.
So, England invaded Ireland in the 12th century. By the 1500s, England was very much in charge of Ireland - and this presented some problems as time went on. The English Protestant Reformation - in which King Henry VIII essentially forced his territories to convert from Catholicism to Protestantism since the Pope refused to allow him to divorce his wife - made things even worse.
Basically, from King Henry VIII's reign onward, religion was... a very big reason for animosity.
The start of the Irish-Britain feud really began in 1169 with the English invasion of Ireland. Later because of English greed and also religion it got worse
The US Sharecropping system was based on the English Landlord system!
Religion is often a reflection of a people's culture. To say removing religion would solve things is like saying that removing culture would solve things. The main cause of divide was that the English establishment were supremacists who viewed it as their natural given right to invade, annex, and colonise the "savage" Irish in our own land, in order to "civilise" us and profit off of plantations. Most indigenous Irish were Catholic, while most colonials were Protestant. But the divide of indigenous culture versus colonial supremacy was a much bigger issue than religious ideological divide.
If you go around Ireland there are little stone built villages built on mountain sides that were built by the people after being kicked of the land that are abandoned now because they all either left or died.
The population of Ireland is still lower than it was before the famine
From Kilkenny
It wasn't religion behind it but ethnicity. The English were prejudiced against the Scots and the Irish, but they saw Scots as more "redeemable" than Irish. They saw an opportunity to take from the Irish and give to the Scots to pit them against each other.
Not about religion but it did play a role. it is really about land and self determination. Ireland was a colony of England much like America was. They did to us the same they did to native Americans.
The only thing I didn't like about this vid was when It said that that Ireland was the FIRST colony of England Cos that's untrue The first English colony was Wales, I ain't trying to be petty but it's important to be honest because everyone knows Northern Ireland has been pushing for independence from English RULE It always gets on my nerves cos being from Wales A LOT OF US WANT THE SAME THING because it makes us look guilty of (especially when they don't even point out the difference between the three different countries or even that mention that Wales is a separate country thats just ruled by England ),in fact WELSH PEOPLE ARE MORE CLOSELY RELATED AND ALIKE TO IRISH PEOPLE THAN THEY ARE ENGLISH PEOPLE
Respect to the Irish people though ♥️👊💯✌️
Go on ya good ting
I wouldn't worry about that David. I'm Irish and we're very aware of the differences between England, Scotland and Wales. Wales, Scotland and Ireland are Celtic people. We share a common understanding and a common oppressor.
@moorenicola6264 Yeah that's cool 😎 I know you guys know the history and differences and what is what and who are who , its not Irish people that comment was aimed towards, like I said you guys know your own history,
that comment was mostly to explain to people from abroad, who often, just lump England and Wales together as if we make or have made past decisions as equals with an equal say ,instead of the truth that welsh were ruledby the English ((and still are in fact), (that's if they've even heard of Wales, or even if they have , so many people from other countries just think its basically a county in England or something), and one of the craziest things about this fact is that even the PIRA knew the truth about this fact ,thats why actually they made a point of not bombing any Welsh or Scottish towns or cities, they only actually bombed one place in Scotland and that was an English oil storage unit/tanker, because they and also the Irish people in general knew the truth , that it was the English run government who were conducting the campaign against Ireland , in fact that's why so many people moved to Wales and Scotland (alongside the need for work the attitudes from the were much better towards them than if they moved to England) because where I'm from in Wales I don't think I know one person who would say that liked England more Ireland, No Way , in fact if someone did say that, to me it would be mind boggling to me , I'm just saying it psses me off to be lumped in with every time in history that something like that has spawned from England, because we ,Wales will always inevitably be either blamed for it or caught up in it somehow or another and it's so annoying, 💯🤯
But anyway you guys are cool as F so keep being you and dont let noone change your history ✌️
@@davidwatkins8395 thank you for your reply. Hopefully Wales and Scotland will be independent one day and not tied into a union they don't want to be in. Take care.
As someone who grew up in gang areas with family members in gangs and so on and so forth I can say for sure most of the crazy gang members who kill for no reason are either mentally fucked or they're extremely young usually extremely young and don't know the gravity of what they're doing or have been told not to care especially here in la you hear all the time that two gangs are having to sit down to meet up and talk about setting aside their differences but the one thing they always say is if something happens I'll talk to the little homies try to stop them from doing what they doing but that's all I can do I can only talk to him my word can only go so far and those young gangsters can be anywhere from 7 to 17 once you go past that you start seeing smarter or more fearful people the ones that survive to 18 are generally more cautious about what they do and how they do it and most people aren't necessarily even forced into the gang it's just that's all they know they grew up around those gang members they didn't even have to be jumped in it was just hanging around the hood one day and someone said hey you want to hit a lick next thing you know you were in a flag throwing up gang signs and if anything like me or Kendrick Lamar you don't even claim a set you just hang around them niggas and then people going to shoot at you thinking you going to shoot back and just knowing that means you have to shoot back or else there's high chance that you or someone you care for will die never most people are killed by people they know it's not that these gangs are terrorizing their own neighborhood it's that some things are unavoidable at this point most of these gangs existed for over 40 years and a lot of the fighting today are carried over from decades prior and I don't think it's something that will die out unless we're all dead in jail or the culture of gangbang and dies entirely which is the safest way for that to happen
9:35 kinda but also not really. It was the UK being the UK. Find any reason for outsiders to be "inferior" to them. Even before the Protestant reformation, England thought Ireland didn't do Catholicism "properly". But the religious division has been the longest and still present one between them.
the food was taking by gun point look up Chris Fogarty (author of Ireland 1845-1850: The Perfect Holocaust, and Who Kept it "Perfect") Ireland in 1845-1850 was entirely owned by English landlords,
Religion was a large part of the source problem, but (and I may be wrong) the issues between England and Ireland are more political/colonial issues. I.e. The English treating the Irish like sh*t and with indifference as a part of the British Empire.
Dan B they are yeah, they literally said we were Africans and not Europeans at one point as a justification for treating us as if we were subhuman
Religion isn't part of the source problem, the English and Irish would still be two separate ethnic groups regardless of religion. Meaning that one would opress the other based on ethnicity, just like it happened in this case, religion is just a side factor.
Religion had made the problem becoming even more big since the protestants english had now a "deus vult" "reason" for being assholes.
Honestly, there is a lot of talk about how the catholics treated the protestants (and they are true) but it's still (and not only in the british isles) the pot who call the kettle Black.
I am not catholic or protestant (not atheist either) i am just a believer and a person who is disgust by such awful actions.
If only the irish could had assemble a army enough powerful for be freed from the UK.
@@fandemusique4693 no way if that happened it happened it was religion one because for me my surname is of english descent but I hope we forgave them someday and leave the eu
@@o-o2399 can you repeat ? I don't completely understand.
And i am french, so even i learned english, i didn't learned enough for actually understand at some points.
I’m Irish, born and bred. My parents who are in their 60s and 70s (and I know loads of other people of their generation who are the same), do not consider a dinner a complete meal unless there’s potatoes included. I was a child in the 80s when Ireland was still a poor enough county, and our meals were very basic and unadventurous (stews, cuts of meat, veg, potatoes...). ‘Fancier’, more ‘exotic’ foods such as pasta or curries and so on didn’t feature (for our family) until the very late 80s. I was 12 before I saw a pizza. Even if there was pasta or rice included in the meal, potatoes were always cooked. This still continues. My mother will cook something like lasagne and it will come with potatoes. I often wonder if this is a bi-product of the famine and the importance of potatoes in the diet. As I say, it’s not just my parents, everyone I talk to says the same about their relatives of that generation. It’s funny.
Same 😂
Thanks for the video :)
Sure thing!
@mister me This channel is no ones safespace and I'm not going to avoid stuff to spare your feelings. If you don't like the content you're free to go watch something else.
@mister me How is it unresearched click bait? In case you haven't noticed almost all of the history related videos I've watched I said I didn't know a lot about the subject. That is why I watch the video in the first place, to learn more. It seems you just don't like hearing about this subject. In which case I say again, this is not your safe space. If you have a problem with the subjects I am reacting to go to another channel. If you want to have a discussion like an adult then feel free to do so. But, don't be insulting people unprovoked and threatening people because they have an opinion that you don't like.
It wasn't a famine, it was genocide.
"And your churches can't be made of stone' Is such a hilarious comment, but the wooden churches were easy to burn- my grandmother's church was burned by the british, and with it burned her birth certificate and many other forms of identification, which then made it even harder for her to exist in society, or even when she immigrated here to america
9:54 people will another thing to kill each other over
Its the people brother
It wasn't religion .... religion only became an additional factor after Henry VIII declared himself the head of the Church of England. The English landed gentry created a 'pale' around Dublin in the mid-14th Century. If one were outside of this perceived 'civilized zone' he or she was said to be '...beyond the pale.'
I wish that in school teachers taught more about Ireland
Learnt something new &am UK Nottingham robin hood LEGENDS fam ❤️ 🇺🇸 but my mum's &dad are both Irish 🇨🇮 tbh breath of fresh air 🇺🇸❤️🍀REPECT LOOKIN AT IT IN AH POSITIVE WAY & TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT I LEART SOMETHING OF U👍
Devon speaks more sense than many of his commentators. His attitude is more balanced, too. Talk of "genocide" shows a misunderstanding of the word, and of the situation. Mistakes and bad decisions were made by a ruling class that was elected by 2-3% of the population, so any suggestion that "the English" decided to eliminate "the Irish" doesn't stand up to a minute's scrutiny. Some landowners tried their best to help their tenants. Funds were raised for famine relief. It wasn't enough, and the result was catastrophic. On a personal level the British and Irish generally get along just fine, and have been intermarrying for the last 150 years.
well here comes the boys
When the English invaded, BOTH countries were Catholic.
They were BRUTAL from the start.
The Protestant reformation added just another layer of Viciousness!!!
The Irish king of Leinster Dairmurd McMurrough invited the Normans who had conquered England , to Ireland , to help him defeat a rival Irish king.......
@@jaypee6061 Diarmuid McMurrough was looking for Mercenaries.
The McMurroughs were unpopular and had been expelled. Even his personal bodyguard had deserted him.
He was looking for Mercenaries, not offering a country.
On arrival at Bagginbun, in Wexford, after defeating the local Irish and Viking force out of Waterford, the Anglo Normans demonstrated Exactly the way they would treat the Local Irish people - they threw 35 prisoners off a hundred foot cliff onto the rocks below to drown!
THAT'S who the English Are.
THAT'S how they acted in EVERY COUNTRY THEY INVADED!
@@michaelodonnell824 .........oh , and I suppose the Gaels never invaded Ireland ....and 2 million Irish soldiers helped to build the British Empire !
They only aloud churches built of wood because they were easy to burnt down, there are places called mass rocks which are usually large stones in wood groves or other out of the way places were they would have their mass... a few of my relatives still go to one once a year
It was genocide, plenty of daiy and crops in Ireland, all being taken from Ireland and transported to feed the English, the reason Irish starved was because the only food they had was potatoes grown on their own small allowd plots.
The landlords were absentee and most of them never set foot in Ireland, they stole the lands and then the fat of the land for themselves
one word to say the relationship between ireland and the uk is brexit
Yep, we were not even a thought.
Potatoes are rich in vitamins and minerals in the skin.
ironicaly this rent issue is ireland today
Relationship between Britain and Ireland... Let's just put it this way: Ireland was the first British colony. They applied the knowledge from their conquest of Ireland to all their later colonial efforts.
As for the responsibility for the famine, that's still being debated to this day, but here's my two cents. The British weren't responsible for the blight, in those days those were largely unpredictable, and we only have the barest control over them now, the British did bear responsibility for the famine that resulted from the blight. Famines are only relatively rarely caused by a lack of food to eat (not never by any means, there are plenty that were), but by poor distribution of available food, which itself can be caused by big economic and political factors.
9:40 I have the exact opposite reaction. People are people, it doesn't matter what religion (or lack thereof) they follow, if they want to dislike people, they will find out construct a reason. This has neither stopped nor slowed with the gradual rise of atheism. Since might argue it's increased with it, but I'm not one of them, I feel the correlation there is irrelevant, the real relevant factor for the increase in conflict between people is and has always been increases in population density, forcing more people closer together.
The colonization of Ireland began long before England was protestant, with the earliest incursions being in the eleventh century, centuries before Martin Luther was even born.
My direct ancestor had a Manor in West Clare. Around 300 tenants (plus their families of course). Apparently he did nothing whatsoever to help. His agent/ factor was only interested in extracting rents. Seems so cruel viewed from the perspective of today. Poor women and kids :-(
I'm Irish I look at you and I see only beauty in a Darker Shade
You're laughing at how petty the laws were but there was logic behind it
There was a lot of food produced in Ireland during the famine.
Unfortunately it went to the upper-class English colonists or was exported to the UK.
The reason Irish people were so dependant on potatoes was they had to produce other crops to sell to survive.
They were generally tenant farmers with English landlords.
Potatoes could be grown easily in a small area of land for their own consumption.
The type of potato favoured was the Bloomer.
It was incredibly nutritious, but very susceptible to blight.
The English government thought of the Irish as a nuisance and considered the famine a kind of divine retribution.
As far as the religion goes, the British colonists were Protestant and the indigenous people Catholic.
So it was less a religion thing than an associated thing.
Although the United Irishmen in the late 1700's were comprised of both Protestants and Catholics.
They identified a common enemy; the British government.
Unfortunately their movement was brutally crushed by the British and afterwards, the religious divide was entrenched.
It's important to remember that things like religion and the blight were simply a catalyst for Britain to take over Ireland. Britain's main goal was to Not just conquer or control the country they wanted to erase the Irish people from the Earth and make the island of Ireland An extension of Britain. Many Irish will say that the correct word for this injustice was the Irish holocaust not the Irish famine because that was the goal of Britain and other people win against Ireland. They wanted to erase the Irish people.
Religious differences were not causal. The religious differences were symptoms of cultural, ethic & national differences.
Those "planted" from Britain were generally Protestants while Gaelic & Norman Irish people were Catholic. The conflict predates religious differences.
There was also a penal that it was illegal to speak irish. Hence why english is our main language thats spoken in ireland
Genocide. Irish farmers could grow other crops than potatoes. It was just all they were allowed to keep. Other crops where taken and shipped to england.
Love this series. Regarding your last statements about gang violence, I feel like it’s a failure / corruption of the government that creates a space for violence. It’s never the failure of the teenager, but a failure of the system that raised them.
Admitting that it’s wrong is the first step, but realizing the wrongness was created by systemic oppression is an equally important step to forgiving yourself and others. We must create a space to learn about the corrupt system that so many people were raised in.
No child is born violent, but learning that certain actions will give them what they want / need will only reinforce those actions. I’ve experienced it myself, and I’m sure everyone alive on earth has experienced it in some way, as well.
Exited for the next video, friend ✌️
Nobody is born violent, and nobody is born kind either. If you live around toddlers, you realize that the only thing we are born with is a sense of self preservation (physically and emotionally)
Kindness and sharing helps reinforce self preservation, because giving a person something you like is a way to form bonds. It’s a win / win scenario.
If you aren’t able to act in kindness and sharing, you won’t learn that win / win scenario, and will either “shut down” socially, or act harmfully in order to protect yourself. It’s sad, but it’s not the individuals fault IMO.
I’m not a therapist or anything but I’ve got a lot of toddler cousins who will give me their own toys / treats in order to socialize and form a closer bond. It always works btw. Those kids are worth the world to me :0)
Irish landowners lived in England.
Some people might say we got through fighting years ago. Thats not my take
It’s not really a rivalry it’s just that a lot of us can’t get over how we were oppressed, butchered and had our culture stolen from us while under British rule for over 800 years. That and we’ve only been free from there rule for 105 years so many people’s great grandparents or grand parents and there parents growing up had to deal with there rule and the aftermath so yeah it’s kinda understandable and it’s more of a distaste for the country itself, like we don’t have anything against the current people, they didn’t do anything wrong after all
It wasn't a famine. It was Genocide
you should do the saga on justinian and theodora. it is by far their best series.
I love your honest reaction. But The Great Hunger was a genocide, not a famine. The British government killed 4 million Irish people. It was not a "patato famine"
Grontia! ❤
its complicated
You should check out the video Extra History has on the Warsaw Uprising
Thomas Sowell talked about Irish slaves and not just indentured servants which was bad bc you could work for generations and not be paid!
The Anglo-Irish conflict is one of those historical quagmires that you don't want to get into lol.
As for the church’s. You can’t burn stone my friend.
They were built out of wood so they could easily be knocked down or burnt
Something I find personally interesting is how the Irish were forcibly converted to Catholicism and then when Britain change from Catholicism to its own church of England/Protestantism the Irish are then punished for being Catholic.
We weren't forcibly converted.
From what we know it seems that Ireland converted to Christianity quite peacefully and, if I'm not mistaken, St. Patrick actually feared being assassinated by the druids and their allies for a while
@@eith44 there is an element of truth to the forcing. Forced from Celtic Christianity to Roman Catholicism. Saint Bernard of Clairvoux and others called the Irish heretics for having their own systems of belief separate to Rome. That's why Pope Adrian the IV ( I think the fourth, and the only English pope in history) "granted" Ireland to the king of England
I wouldn't compare the two. The Irish church wasn't too dissimilar to Catholicism, it had its own Gael traditions and agenda within and wanted to remain independent with blessing of Rome and all previous Popes to Adrian IV, who was the only Anglo pope in history. It was the Anglo-Norman church that wanted to bring it into the fold.
The Norman's had only partially conquered parts of Ireland which didn't result in a mass persecution on the religious front like the penal laws of Cromwell.
They were not forcibly converted. They were unique in that Catholicism was readily accepted and fitted the national character perfectly. You ought to do research before you embarrass yourself publicly.
Potato Famine 1845-1852.
Irish. Gaelige is mo chroi ❤Go raibthe maith agat!! ✌️😎
This subject is sensitive enough that the orange on the back of your chair could end up being the cause of drama.
Seriously it's an ugly depressing mess that looked like it was improving up until the last few years.
But as an english person I know I need to shut my mouth about it now.
That's the reddest orange I've ever seen
@@OutlawStar87 doesn't matter, close enough, if I as an Englishman wore that colour in NI I would get my head kicked in.
Saying that just being english in the wrong part of NI I would get my head kicked in.
@@tmarritt I'm from NI. No you wouldn't 😂
@@tmarritt few years back on the 12th of July a Orangeman came walking into a bar in a Catholic area pissed out of his mind. Orange sash and all lol someone gave him wrong directions looking to get him into trouble. We just put him in a taxi lol
@@OutlawStar87 that's honestly nice to know. I have always been scared shitless of NI as a londoner, and I actually agree with u guys,( but ya did bomb us, vus why I'm scared, I'm worried I show up with a cockney accent and get beaten)
Well apart from the whole religion thing, but let's be honest that's not been the issue for a long time.
It's just dumb nationalism.
Weird thing is I have more politically in common with the Republicans than I do with the unionists.
I know you just wanna learn. Which is beautiful. However the states would drastically change because of this. I see this is an old video, I can still appreciate the fact that your just trying to learn. We need to eliminate all of this completely. Let's make a history of our own and come together across race, belief and political ideals. We are all here to take care of ourselves, families and most importantly each other. Thank you for sharing and showing interest my friend
The deceased potatoes arrived from America in ship holds , the whole of Europe got the same decease My country took in 500,00 people even though my country Scotland was having a Famine, get facts right, the peoples good food and cash from England including Queen Victoria, all the rich Irish did was make their people build a road from the South to the North for food if lucky, this blight was first seen by Aztecs hence all the sacrifices. America caused it all.
I like your insight and commentary. It does affect you, (not my place to say, but) if other black folk are uneducated, which means poverty - leads to crime, which leads to some white folk, including cops, thinking badly, and treating all black folk unfairly in traffic stops etc.
there are poor white folk in Ireland who live project life - it’s hard for a good kid to escape.
England has been oppressing Ireland for centuries, maybe millennia. I have mixed feelings about my English blood ...