Checkmate Lincolnites! A War Of Northern Aggression? REACTION | DaVinci REACTS
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I also love how, in this video as he's describing all the Confederate attacks on US forts prior to Lincoln calling for volunteers, it plays the Age of Empires II "Your town is being attacked!" alarm noise every time. Fucking classic.
Yes, it's hilarious. Also the "Unit Spawn" sound, when he shows the armies being raised.
One of John Brown's associates from the fighting in Bloody Kansas, Silas Soule, came to visit Brown while he was in prison in Virginia and offered to stage a jail break, but Brown turned this down and declared that he would be a martyr to the cause of freedom. That's dedication.
Love John Brown. I have a drawing of him on my bedroom wall.
There should be a movie about him
@@anon9579 absolutely. He has such a great story. A daring and heroic, if slightly unhinged, Christian man driven by his faith and love for the oppressed to fight for freedom. Literally a perfect movie idea.
@@dontchewglass who do you think would play the part of John Brown?
@@anon9579 well, I hate to say it, but with no beard he looks the most like Charlie Sheen. We could probably get away with Hugh Jackman, but that'd maybe be a bit of a stretch, and he would probably be a bit too handsome for the role. Without the beard, Brown has very sharp facial features, almost like a hawk. I'm trying to think of celebrities with that sort of angular face, but it feels like people just aren't as intense and curmudgeonly looking as they were in the 1850s
*From reading the comments of the original video. Lincoln was indeed for the relocation of African Americans to Africa, but it's important to note that at the point in time Lincoln was mostly ignorant of what African American's actually wanted at the time.*
*Thus it colored many of his opinions about what to do about slavery.*
*It wasn't till he began speaking with Fredrick Douglas and actual African Americans did he begin to come into his own or something like that and to give him the benefit of the doubt he was still considered a radical abolitionist for his time.*
That's the Witchfinder General, another one of Atun-Shei's recurring characters, offering moral and relationship advice of the 1600's Commonwealth of Massachusetts to the world (which usually seems to consist of being carted off the magisters of the shire in which ones live to face probable death).
and yes Jefferson Davis is essentially saying that the north (mainly new England) was founded by puritans who supported Cromwell and their rigid religious ideology is the driving force behind northern aggression
31:40 The tune is now known as the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
Indeed, though it’s original name was, of course, John Brown’s Body
Copy that Fellow Ranger.
Sounds like Solidarity Forever to me
21:56 I can answer this, so yes Lincoln did support colonization at first, but unlike others it wasn’t because he hated Africa Americans it was because he though they hated living in American. Also him opinion about the whole thing changed when he had a meeting with Fredrick Douglas. During it Lincoln ask Douglas about colonization and Douglas told him that most Africans Americans didn’t want that, that America was their home too. After that Lincoln never pushed for colonization again.
“We should all fear evil men, but there is another kind of evil that we should fear most and that is the indifference of good men.”
Cromwell was the winner of the English Civil War in the 17th Century. I think you might’ve confused it a bit because he did famously commit war crimes in Ireland, but that wasn’t related to the Famine in the 19th Century.
There was also a Cromwell, Oliver's ancestor, in the court of Henry VIII, who was one of the guys who really pushed the reformation hard in England. That actually kinda makes sense, and perhaps explains Oliver's seriously intense hatred for Catholics.
You can't judge Lincoln for thinking we could never live together as one people. It's been 160 years, and... look around.
Welll they were only free 1968 I think you need some research, all slavery done was free them from bandage, debt slavery lasted to 1950 genocides happened alot through out the 1880s and 1960 is where it really slowed down, we expiremented on them with syphilis, i mean its infinite thyev been free for 50 years give it time
1964-1968 is when black had actual freedom
Speaking a bit more assholeish, all races should be equal, and we should live together, but not as one people. It has always been the aim of tyrants and fascists to make men live as one people, rather, we should live as many separate yet equal peoples, respectful of each other as citizens, but pulling in all directions with many creeds and faiths.
NOT SEGREGATION that's stupid.
32:00 the song your thinking about is called “battle hym of the republic” I don’t know if that was made before or after John browns body. There is a very funny and dark version called blood upon the risers which is the us paratrooper song.
Not all of them are called "Checkmate Lincolnittes!" - generally speaking look for any of the Civil War related ones you'll find more of the series.
yeah, like his stonewall Jackson video
@@kamdenmadan3289 - and the My Opinion on the Confederate Flag as well as You're Probably Wrong about Confederate Statues
Oh and the original Checkmate Lincolnittes was "Confederate DESTROYS Yankee with FACTS and LOGIC"
Why not just check the playlist?
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@@rna151 - not all of them are on that play list.
lincoln was in favour of repatriation back to Africa for much of his political career but there is ample evidence that he changed his mind on the issue as president
I don't have a source on this, so take it with a grain of salt, but I've seen it stated in several places that Lincoln was a proponent of repatriation because he believed that they wouldn't want to be citizens of the country that took their ancestors from their homelands. His discussions (and subsequent friendship) with Frederick Douglass convinced him that free blacks did want to integrate and become full citizens of the US.
@@michaelbenson5677 I've seen similar statements, though I can't provide a source off-hand either. My understanding was that President Lincoln also believed that the hostility of whites toward Blacks, even after emancipation, would create a situation where Black people would never be able to live peacefully and equally in the United States and, as you pointed out, believed that they wouldn't want to remain in the US in the face of such circumstances. But as you mentioned also, I too have heard that conversations/correspondence with Frederick Douglass played a large role in changing his mind in this area.
@DANIEL BIN OMAR - According to what I've read, while it was freed African Americans who colonized Liberia in the early 1800s at the urging of the US government, they declared their own independence in 1847 and were internationally recognized by a number of nations, though not by the US until 1862.
A lot of Liberia's troubles seem to be more related to general colonialism and imperialism from economic competition against the nearby colonies of European powers such as Sierra Leone (England) and the Ivory Coast (France), than from US policy. I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am, but that's what I've read.
@DANIEL BIN OMAR - Yeah, that was the other major source of conflict, between the free African-Americans who colonized Liberia and the indigenous people already living in that region who didn't get full rights in the Republic of Liberia until 1904. But your comment seemed to imply that the US government just set up Liberia and then cut it loose, which is a kind of reductive description of what happened.
I mean if you look at the current state of race relations in the US, maybe he wasn't wrong in his prediction that forcing black people to stick around their former oppressors was a recipe for disaster?
The song you are thinking of is the Battle Hymn of the Republic
Lyrics:
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trapling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He have loosed the faiteful lightening of his terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
His truth is marching on
I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I have read his righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His truth is marching on
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
His truth is marching on
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnish'd rows of steel
As ye deal with my condemners so with you my grace shall deal
Let the hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
His truth is marching on
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
His truth is marching on
He has sounded form the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat
Oh, be swift, my soul to answer, oh be jubilant, my feet
His truth is marching on
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me
As he died to make men holy let us die to make men free
His truth is marching on
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
Glory, Glory halleluhja
His truth is marching on
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord
He is trapling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He have loosed the faiteful lightening of his terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on
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Yo! Loved that opening music.
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“If that many people came knocking on my door with watchtowers, I guess I would surrender too”
I laughed out loud, well done!
Oliver Cromwell was an English Puritan and eventually became the most important character for the Parliament side of the English civil war. Later he was basically president of England until he died and the Puritans were quickly shoved out of power for trying to do things like ban Christmas and drinking on Sundays..
The Puritans were also hated because Cromwell (who sided with the parliament at first) became a truely tyrannical military dictator who forced his Puritan lifestyle on the populace with brutal oppression.
Hell yeah another atun shei reaction sign me up
34:42
The Irish Famine happened in the 1800s, Cromwell was in the 1600s. Cromwell did invade Ireland, though, and effectively started the settling of English plantations and expulsion of native Irish from power that's still causing problems today
Yesss i was just binging your reactions to atun shei yesterday
The US itself inspired hitler, mostly through manifest destiny.
He liked it so much, he gave it a german name, lebensraum.
I am always thoroughly entertained by your reactions to historical videos, Atun-Shei’s especially. Your commentary and bringing in of personal opinions, anecdotes, etc. not only makes your reactions truly unique, but demonstrates what is a proper reaction. There are other channels on CZcams that I will not mention that just sit there and watch the whole thing and essentially earn money off someone else’s content and you never do that in your reactions. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.
Not sure if you will see this, but a question or two… do you ever do any of your livestreams on Twitch anymore? I haven’t seen you on Twitch in a while, but I keep missing your livestreams here anyway. Also, I know you mentioned it once that you had seen his ‘Gods and Generals’ breakdown, but do you have any plans to do a reaction to that? I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on it and I don’t even care if it meant your video would be well over an hour-I’ve watched some of your longer videos anyway. Obviously recording something that long would take a lot out of you so I of course understand if you’re hesitant, but I bet a lot of us would enjoy seeing a reaction to it.
Thanks for the content nonetheless and I hope you’re doing well and continue to grow your channel. Cheers mate
I am planning to do streams on Twitch again. Mainly live reactions. I'll announce when they will begin. I am actually about to stream today in a few minutes. Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays at 3:30 pm ET. I usually stream for 3 hours. And thank you for the kind words.
I like it man, I like your format in this video. Oh and the intro music was cool too.
Devon - In the late 1960's and early 70's that John Brown song had been co-opted by at some point into a violent childrens anthem that we sang in the schoolyards. The lyrics today would have the children suspended, expelled or charged with a crime of some sort.
Here they are :
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We have tortured all the teachers
We have broken every rule
We are marching down the hall
To hang the Principal
Our Truth is marching on !
Glory Glory Hallelujah !
Teacher hit me with a ruler
Met her at the door
With a loaded .44
She ain't gonna teach no more !
Did you ever hear or sing this in grammar school ?
Great reaction Devon 🙌🏾great insight as always!
Thanks, appreciate it.
The song is The Battle Hymn of the Republic and one of the many origins of the song besides "John Brown's Body" was a song titled, written, and performed by "The 76th Arkansas" who were a union regiment of freedmen volunteers. The 76th Arkansas, from what I remember, may be the earliest use of the tune.
I am so glad that I clicked on your channel. You have given me a lot of food for thought. Thank you.
31:53 The song you're trying to think of is called Battle Hymn Of The Republic. It was considered the USA national anthem by many, although the concept of nations having actual musical anthems didn't properly exist at the time as they do now . John Brown's Body was simply set to the same tune.
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on
Glory, Glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His truth is marching on
I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His day is marching on
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel
"As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal"
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
Since God is marching on
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Since God is marching on
He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! Be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Our God is marching on
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free
While God is marching on
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
While God is marching on
Hey I just found this channel and it is so refreshing to have a reaction video where the person is adding onto these ideas and not just giggling along and that is it. I applaud your honesty and love the video! I also really want to hear more on Civil war stuff from a black perspective since I can only learn so much on my own. One quick thing is, Lincoln did back colonizing freed slaves but after they tried it (during the war) and it did NOT work out at all (with around 500 people I believe and only so many made it back to the U.S. after the experiment failed) Lincoln realized that would not be a good option and seemed to abandon it (need proof here lol). So to answer your question, when it was all said and done I think Lincoln knew we would have to integrate but we never got to see that plan thanks to booth's silly ass. Thanks again for the vid!
Exactly! City council, Mayer, local, city, state, county! Elections are really important!
Songs written back then would often use a well known melody and apply their own lyrics to it, John Brown is one, so is Yankee Doodle and My Counry Tis of Thee
32:09 the Battle hymn of the Republic
Battle Hymn of the Republic
That's the name of the song
8:00 Chief Justice Roger Taney (1777 - 1864) delivered the majority opinion in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), ruling that African Americans could not be considered citizens and that Congress could not prohibit slavery in the territories of the United States, soooooooooo...
another great vid on the lost cause is Cynical Historians Understanding the Lost Cause Myth
Hot sauce in my purse? Is that some sort of black reference? I mean I'm friggen' white as snow, but I put hot sauce on damn near everything.
20:30 I think when it comes to the soldiers who fight, both the soldiers and civilians have to keep in mind that why a person *chooses* to fight and what they're fighting *for* are not always the same thing. I would wager that the vast majority of US troops choose to enlist because they genuinely love their country, and they want to serve and protect it, and the military is a stable career that also allows you to do that.
However even if you join hte military with that purpose in mind, when the elected government sends you into an unjust war, you're still fighting for that government and for their unjust cause. Even if you joined the military for entirely pure reasons, it's impossible to deny that the US soldiers in Iraq in the 2000s were fighting for corporate financial interests and very little else, regardless of their individual motivations of soldiers. That was the nation's War Aim, and that goal was what informed the army's strategy and tactics.
So I think we, as civilians, could do to acknowledge a more often that people often do have pure and admirable reasons for choosing to join the military. However people in the military should also acknowledge more often that the reason they choose to enlist might not end up being what they wind up getting ordered to fight for.
"They"? Julia Ward Howe heard Union soldiers singing John Brown's Body. She found it a stirring tune but wrote the words to the "Battle Hymn of the Republic."
Reminds me of a fun little meme cartoon, goes something like this: P1-The civil war was fought for state's rights! P2-State's rights to do what? P1-*weeps in tears of privilege* (aka Karen ancestral version of clothes tearing OT)
Also, Cromwell seemed to be the catalyst of what I term a Carlin Buffet, because "Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I’m a happy guy."
I want to comment on cognitive dissonance of the civil war and iraq war as presented. Your hesitance to stand by your moral objection to an unjust war for fear of offending people really sparked a train of thought for me.
First of all, I get it. Criticising the troops in america is a huge social faux pas. But a lot of people who think "there's no way I would have supported slavery if I lived in the south back then because it was obviously wrong! Therefore how can I believe my ancestors would do the so?" forget how much social pressure exists, not only the opinions of your peers and communities but also in everything you're taught growing in that society.
You clearly view the wars triggered by 9/11 to be unjust, based on lies and eventually a self perpetuating face-saving exercise. And there's more than enough evidence that this is the case that anyone who cares to look, it's a justifiable point of view and personally I agree with it. Therefore the people who did join the military specifically because of these wars are either ignorant of this fact, or perfectly happy to enjoy some good old fashioned death and destruction of an indiginous group of people.
This is essentially the position of the southern civilians in the civil war. Even if they did not agree with slavery, the alternative justifications for their military actions and willingness of the rest of their society forced them to be silent, or even assist in the actions. They'll tell themselves it's the patriotic thing to do, that their cause is just and the other side the evil aggressor.
If people today won't or can't speak up on their moral objections without fear of reprisal, we shouldn't be surprised people in history didn't either. In many cases they fought for and supported an objectively evil faction, knowing there were problems with the side they supported, but able to ignore this fact because of other justifications and social pressures.
Now lost-causers and confederate idolisers will point out that there's no way an entire nation could just jump up and fight for evil. They'll point to the other justifications and look desperately for any logical reason that means they were actually fighting for a good cause, when the cognitive dissonance can explain it perfectly. They knew what the cause they were fighting for was, and some of them probably disagreed with it. They fought anyway, for complicated and logically flawed but socially understandable reasons. It does not asbolve them of being on the wrong side of history, or of committing crimes against humanity in the cases where that happened.
But it is understandable. It is human. And we should learn to accept that people now, as through history, are not all one thing or the other.
I know this is 2 years after the fact but god damn your t-shirt rules dude
It is the Battle Hyme of the Republic.
My sister and I have always said, if you don't vote, don't bitch.
Thanks!
I love how it takes a left turn to lotr reenactment but its a witch hunter and a nazi
Nah, Cromwell was a commander in the English Civil war.
And the military dictator of England during a really weird period in English history
yes but he also was responsible for atrocities committed in Ireland that his intellectual descendants celebrate to this day
8:01 Of course Roger Taney challenged Lincoln. Taney wrote the Dred Scott opinion. He was a CFA sympathizer.
It was before the Civil War I think he talked about sending them to Africa
It’s called “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”
Battle hymn of the republic is the song you’re thinking of
Not sure if your channel reacts to such content or if you already have reacted to it
But i recommend The Fat Electrician as he talks about Cassius Marcellus Clay
To understand Lincoln's public views, you need to be aware of that in the election of 1856 the Republican Presidential candidate John C Fremont ran on a much clearer anti-slavery ticket and got soundly defeated.
Dude, that shirt is dope.
Also respect for the Moon theme in the intro. :)
Appreciate it!
I knew that the Nazi concentration camps were modelled on the US Indian reservations and the Boer camps in South Africa, but I didn’t know that the Confederates inspired the Nazis. The Nazis, in fact, praised the efficiency of the genocide of the American Indians. We pretty much did the same to our indigenous population in Australia (mass killings and relocations to reserves). Might is right, i guess.
Nice shirt
It just took me a second to think about it I’ve watched this video a dozen times how the fuck did he slap himself
9:15 Checkmate Palpatine!
Confederates had nothing to do with the nazis rise to power. Stab in the back myth was the primary reason. A read richards level stretch there
Abraham Lincoln's stances on race changed radically over the course of the war such as becoming pretty close with Frederick Douglas. Though that doesn't forgive his earlier statements on race.
Yep. Welcome to 19th century America
Is there a source to this?
I'm pretty sure every man alive at that time was fairly racist no matter their skin color. I'm not excusing it but I am saying that was the time they were livin in.
Watch the Parody of these Checkmate Linclonites please its so funny
These are always funny. Glad someone decided to make a fair channel like that.
Tyrannical shit comes with war on both sides for sure.
Feel Just glad the end result is we can all be brothers today.
You should react to the witch finder general videos by him. They’re hilarious.
Thank you for what you said at the end. Politics sucks, but it’s VERY important, ‘cause it’s our whole lives. If you want the world to change, you _gotta_ get involved, especially in local politics. Social and political movements are built from the bottom up- grassroots shit.
Let me start this off by saying I am Australian with no known American family so i think i'm a bit less biased in this than the average american, I think the problem with judging southern soldiers is that we in the 21st century will never understand how they were brought up and how that influenced there views, I guarantee that if MOST not all of these people that claim the southern soldiers were evil were brought up in their environment they would've done the exact same thing, You say that they shouldve known form the start that it was evil and they would have if they viewed these people as equal which a LOT of them didnt as thats what they were taught growing they were essentially mind washed. You say that because you knew that gay rights was morally right they should've known that slavery is wrong but the problem with that is that unless you were the first person to think that the gay rights movement already had some traction and a lot of people were viewing it as correct which simply wasn't the case in the south there were no anti slavery newspapers being printed as far as i'm are, Look don't get me wrong the leaders of the southern states were evil they knew EXACTLY what they were doing and don't take me saying any of this as trying to defend these people because at some point they should've seen it was wrong but was it too late by that point? Had the war taken a different meaning by then? Especially considering to my knowledge a lot of southern soldiers (including stonewall jackson himself) knew that slavery was a moral evil but that it was somehow in gods plan for the progression of the race. I just personally have an issue with people trying to judge every single southern soldier that fought and try to make them out to be the same as the leaders which is not true because yes even though they were fighting for the institution I doubt a lot of them would've seen it that way in fact i'd imagine most of them would've seen it as defending their homes. I could be wrong about all this but this was just my take i'd appreciate it if we could have a respectful discussion about it instead of hurling insults lmao
I don’t know if the John Brown song is what your talking about. Lots of civil war songs sound similar
Never underestimate an attack by Jehovah's Witnesses.
I love your selection of a cover of The Moon from the DuckTales video game.
While Abraham Lincoln might have had some racist ideas, like the vast majority of Americans especially back then, the man was not a racist. To say that he was is not just factually inaccurate it's intellectually dishonest.
I think there is still one left you haven't reacted to it's called 'TARIFFS and TAXES: The REAL Cause of the CIVIL WAR?! '
Devon is the most reasonable man on earth.
Devon 4 Prezident
XD You sound like my mum. "I don't care _why_ women got the vote; we have it now, and we're not giving it back."
It is important to look at every Southern State and the date they succeeded you can get a better picture of for the reason why they left the union my state of North Carolina didn't leave the union until federal troops invaded the South. The deep South they left for slavery that's for damn sure the other southern states that didn't leave until after Lincoln was either inaugurated and federal troops came into the south. And another thing people don't take into consideration is the time. This is they didn't have cars to get around in a week so it's most certainly a lot of people felt more loyalty to their states instead of nation. And it is still like that there are still people who are loyal to their States before they would be loyal to their Nation if it came down between choosing the federal government or the state. For example robert E lee had a chance to be a general in the Union but when his State left the union he went with his State because of that is where his loyalty lied first. And I would hope any American would put his State before the loyalty of the federal government. If the federal government was doing something I felt was wrong and so did my state I am going to stand with my state. I don't care if I have to die on that Hill I am willing to die for it.
4 of the 10 states that seceded did so before Lincoln was even inaugurated. 6 of the 10 states seceded before Fort Sumter. US troops didn't even enter the South until May 24th 1861. By that point, only Tennessee hadn't seceded yet. North Carolina was already gone. The Confederates attacked first at Fort Sumter. Anything else that happened after was "fuck around, find out."
I'm sorry I am confused which one is the rebel flag that supported slavery? P.s a Brit p.p.s slavery as been illegal in britiab since the 1100s
The confederate flag is on the right on the side of the creator in grey uniform.
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The difference I would make between the South, and whether or not they would count as fighting to defend slavery, and a German soldier in WWII is that there's a *significant* disconnect between the average german soldier, and the nazis who did the warcrimes. Nearly all of them were in the party... because if you weren't your career was basically dead. At least a few individuals we know of were... persuaded to commit suicide as a result of their criticisms of the party, Erwin Rommel as an example.
The soldiers of the south don't really HAVE that disconnect. The reasons they fought may not have been specifically to continue slavery, though it was for more of them than it wasn't, but it wasn't because they disagreed with that war goal.
"significant disconnect between the average german soldier, and the nazis"
As an ongoing german historian (young one and still I have to do one of my two academical degrees) I can say you thats a myth. There was a big conection. Not between some of the camps in poland (But on other side there where bic civial conection with some camps in germany itself, for examplfe shared labour, near by civil housings ect. even radio program which telld about the KZ, ofc propaganda but still) but between much more what was going on, particualry in the east.
It was so high that the conection even did going above soldirs and action against Slavs, jews, communists ect. A good example is the "Hamburger Polizei-Bataillon 101". It was a normal police unit and then used to kill the population in an polish village, and the could step back from it (and did not because the pressure to commit treason against there group).
To be in the NSDAP as an party was neither a sign of radical behavour, or that if you dont where that you had no conection with the nazis.
Both happened and the opposite too.
The conection between "Nazis" and the people where extremly high, actualy because the nazis maked great effort to include everything and everyone which they dont wantet to exclude. There was no stremaline nazi, because it depended very much on who you where, when where and different nazi Players tryed to include all sorts of german people. For example the oath on hitler of the soldirs where an invention of a general (Walter von Reichenau) 1934 which was no member of the Nazi party, also his boss at that time which supportet him in that. (Werner von Blomberg
)
Syr for my poor english
@@Tarnatos14 I suppose if you want to take that literally, and not 'being in the german military of WWII does not make you like the Nazis responsible for ridiculous numbers of atrocities' yes.
However I said "And the nazis who did the warcrimes." Were there German soldiers who actually believed in the Nazi creed and not only commited war crimes but knowingly supported it? Yes. Was that all of them? No. There was a large portion of the German Military who, while members of the party because not being in the party was a quick way to get accused of some trumped up charge or another, actively disliked or even hated Hitler and the policies they created including a lot of the surface navy. That's not including those who were ambivalent about the party leadership, had little connection to, or ability to do anything about, war crimes and were simply acting like a soldier fighting for their country.
As far as your english is concerned, well... honestly it's a mess, I have no idea what you were trying to say in a lot of that, though I'd... really try to trust spell check a lot more than you did.
When you say (paraphrasing a bit here) "humans should know by nature not to enslave others", Im not sure thats actually true.
In my opinion theres many behaviores that human societies learned to do or not to do and the shift in attitude can be quite sudden. Take human sacrifice for exemple : humans killed each others as offering to gods up to the end of antiquity and in some societies probably longer. A lot of people probably where even willing to sacrifice themselves for a better afterlife. The binding of Isaac story is probably christianity denouncing human sacrifice and arguing to replace it with animal sacrifice (the ram given to Abraham by god) marking some sort of a transition where the practice then fazes out of existance where abrahamic religions take hold.
It sounds crazy and barbaric today but people used to do all kinds of fucked up shit to one another that we dont do now on any meaningful scale.
Im not saying societies cant go back or that you would be wrong to consider these people from the past as monsters (I do), I just think that morality is an infinite scale and that
probably all of us at some point in the future will become the barbarians, the beasts from the past. Aliens to new, hopefully even better humans.
To rebut what you are saying not all southerners were fighting for slavery.... this is true not every southerner fought for slavery but what is true is, all southerners were fighting for a system of life where they were guaranteed to be above their fellow man to be better than someone else and guaranteed to be a form of middle class over a perpetual underclass of black men. Anyone who said otherwise in their journals was fooling themselves.
I was actually in the middle of signing up for the Marines when the Iraq War started. I was a kid still in high school but I fortunately had the mindset to see how wrong it was and backed out.
On your support of LGBT+ people from the start. It doesn't seem like bragging, or self-righteous or anything, and I personally feel it's somewhat commendable. It, of course, should be a given that we see it that way and so it's not something that should really be commendable but should be a baseline. Unfortunately, that's not the society that we lived in until relatively recently.
Growing up and into my adulthood, I was not a good person. I was incredibly conservative and bigoted and that's the environment that I grew up in. For me, it took not only my entire life falling apart, but me as a person as well, via severe medical issues and going to a really dark place before I was able to break out of that mindset. I used that experience to put everything back together the best I could.
It's always great hearing about other either changing their perspective, or not having to at all, without having to go through their life and self falling apart. I wouldn't wish that on absolutely anyone.
#davincireacts could you react to Kraut's Imperial Japan: Fall of Democracy video?
Yeah the idea was that shipping black people back to Africa would fix the problem. That black people beingn in America would always result in tension and it would have the benefit of freeing land and jobs for white people. They also thought of races in classes with white at the top so they beloved that even without the difficulty’s placed in our way by racist systems that black people couldnt be as smart as whites.The greatest thing is that if you look at education in the south one of the first things besides reuniting with family that black people did was focus on education. On average a former slave was more educated than a poor white southerner because of the focus on education that had been kept from them as well as the rise in resources and focus of reconstruction.HBCU’s like Morehouse , Lincoln and Howard provided education for black people to higher levels that we used. Yeah
Well I agree with you on the slavery thing the one thing I do have issue with is saying you should have known only people were wrong yes people knew it was wrong but if you're going to judge people who were living in 1860 by today's standards I think it's only fair to judge humans the earliest humans by today's standards than. A lot of people when they talk about the Civil War you judge them people by today's standards not yesterday's. And I get why you're doing it because it's morally to try to defend it but if we're looking in context of human history slavery was just another normal thing brother. You know who built the pyramids slaves you know who built the earliest infrastructure in the world slaves and yet there are still people worshiping all that but you can hate on the south? It makes no sense it's like people are nitpicking what they can be mad at and what they cant be mad at. If you're going to judge the South based on slavery I think it's only fair for you to judge every other human civilization that's ever had slavery even Africa and they still participate in slavery in some parts of Africa but I don't see anybody with that big of an issue to go fight for them people being enslaved right now as we speak.
Yes, i will judge them. Because there was a very large abolishion movement that existed. So, a large number of people at that time had enough sense to see slaves as humans, not property. Even children could see this.
And slaves didn't build the pyramids. This can be easily researched. And we hate the Confederacy because instead of seeing the way things were going and adapting like every other country in the world when it comes to slavery, they instead choose to commit treason against this very country to keep their precious "institution." And stop pointing fingers and saying, "What about them?" Yes, other places had slavery at some point in their history. But, they also ended their practice when the time came. The Southern US is the only place on the entire planet to be forced to end slavery kicking and screaming.
Surprised you didn’t jump on the Bo Burnham reaction hype train again
THANK YOU!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD GRIEF I'm sick of people saying you have to either not vote or vote for the lesser of two evils!! The only reason it works that way is because no one's taking the alternatives like voting third party or running themselves!
argument it was American history during the CSA because they lost.
Lincoln was a racist, checkmate lincolnites! It's the perfect title for those videos, allways trying to one up you. Of course he was, there was allmost no one who wasn't from our point of view.
My Gramps was in part of the Wehrmacht, he did not have a choice, he was born here, he was the "right" age and there was no where he could have gone, well maybe 'Murica, it's not as easy as it sounds to just drop everything, say your goodbyes to your family and leave. And of course money. Emigration costs lots of money.
Obviously not a fan of the Confederate states. But dat accent tho...
Obama was great.