Four Figure GPUs - Are High Prices Here to Stay?
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2022
- With the large increase in GPU prices, are these temporary or are these high prices here to stay. Will the high prices redefine the traditional enthusiast gamer? We have yet to live through a full cycle of $1,000+ CPUs being sold used without the effect of crypto. How will the greater financial losses on used GPUs affect the new enthusiast gamers in future generations?
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The biggest shame is that Radeon are still trying to squeeze into those same four-figures with underperforming flagship cards.. Nvidia is probably going to start leaving the 500 and under segment wide open, and Radeon will never manage the volume (AMD will never allocate them the wafer supply) to flood the low-end. Wasn't that what chiplets were supposed to be for? So we can get something next gen with RX 5700 performance on a little PCB with a single fan cooler, for 150-200 bucks and it's wonderful?
Hey, just gota RX 5700 XT for $120 and plays everything @60-120 FPS @ 1440p....I am set for next 10 years! Bought a Moza R5 DD sim setup for $560 and sim racing!
That is a great deal! Lot's of great deals for under 200$ GPUs right now.
TSMC is losing orders, so AMD could have more wafers...they just don't want to it seems.
@@tigerbalm666 now turn on raytracing and we'll talk again.
@@TheAsmileXD Almost 0 people actually care about path-traced lighting. It's a buzzword, just like 3D was for TVs or PhysX was for GTX. When it's no longer such a massive drag on performance, people will use it.
At this rate, the PC I built to game on last year might be my last one and I will move on to better projects for my money. A solid gaming PC should be $1,500 for 1440P Ultra settings but they are putting that card alone at that price now. Might just switch to console next year and play a little less.
you wont save money on console every game is $70 as opposed to $30 steam sale
@@charlesballiet7074 Every game is definitely not $30 on steam lol! Actually consoles have pretty good sales on games now and the savings between the two is not that much different, especially if you play newer games.
@@charlesballiet7074 you can just buy used games, no one is telling ya to buy new ones
Just make more money 💀
@@Pisscan I make plenty of money. It's the principal of it. This is for gaming and no way I am paying 4 figures for any cards to play games at this point as I have other projects I would rather put that money towards. Nothing wrong for others to support 4 figure costed GPU's if that's your thing. You do you. All good.
When Jansen leather jacket was made literally from gamers kidney....
lololololololol
As someone who only recently acquired the stable income to be able to afford upgrading my old (almost 10 years!) PC, I was really looking forward to the new gen of GPUs.
I guess I am forever spoiled and tainted by the 350$ GTX970 (at launch!) being a good deal despite the problems it had. Seeing the 4070 (albeit Ti) launch at like 900$ is insane.
I thought and had hoped to be able to go for an 80 series at this point.
"Oh well!", I thought, "I'll just wait for AMD's new gen!"
Same shit different name. Competition must be easy when your only opponent overcharges by 50%, and you can position yourself as "the good guy" by "only" overcharging by 40%.
And I consider myself someone willing to spend way too much for my main hobby, but even I have my limits.
$600 for a new mid range GPU is my max. If they stay high I will just switch over completely to consoles as their value is really good. The PS5 easily had some of the best looking games I played this year TBH. Value needs to come back to the PC market!
? the 1660 super retailed at 250 USD
you might just be part of problem
@@chronosschiron Lol, at this point a 60 class card will be $700! I wish prices would go back to $250 but I’m not holding my breath.
You can buy 6700xt which performs slightly better than ps5 for less than what console costs. Consoles aren't really an answer to the price of high end PC parts. Consoles perform and cost similar to budget PC hardware. RTX4060 will probably beat PS5 performance.
@@johnc8327 Well the 6700xt is one part vs a whole system (digital version is under $500). It’s probably the best value at the moment though. The ps5 pro will probably be out in a year and will be a good bit more powerful than that I would bet.
@@bfhandsomeface409 After what I've seen from RDNA3, i wouldn't count on PS5 Pro being faster than PS5 or coming out at all. PS4 pro was needed because PS4 was using really crappy Jaguar SOC. PS5 is using RDNA2-ish architecture.
4 figure gpu prices means I'll ether start gaming on a console or find another pass time.
Just play games from 3-5 years ago.
@@johngray3449 Those games are probably better anyways. Now its like 50GB+ per game and you don't even get the whole game. Its incredible how back in the day they managed to fit a whole game on a 16MB N64 cart that has more replayability then todays titles. 🤣🤣
Your videos are always a good watch ✌️
Thank you! I really appreciate that!
He has a nice voice too.
I hope Intel becomes a serious competitor in the GPU space. I'd like to see the same kind of battle going on with GPUs as we see with CPUs right now. Relative price to performance of CPUs is going wild while GPUs stagnate because AMD is not interested in competing with Nvidia in the same way they are with Intel, and it's a damn shame, because once upon a time Radeon made some killer GPUs. I still have my HIS HD7950 around here somewhere. That card was awesome, and back then AMD was giving Nvidia all they could handle, and it was good for the market. These days it's just "How much can I gouge you for with our current lineup?" on both sides.
You nailed it! And that's why it's so frustrating.
Unfortunately with the decisions they've made that is unlikely, demanding a special motherboard to not have your performance decimated, crippling legacy support, countless driver issues. It's just a bad card for any real gamers.
@@doltBmB - Unfortunately I can't argue with any of your points, but a guy can dream.
But how come AMD isn't doing better? What difference is there with GPUs that makes it not a good (financial) idea to compete aggressively?
@@han-huo - I think it mainly comes down to the fact AMD currently makes more margin on their CPUs than their GPUs (and there's a much heavier demand for them), so that's where most of their focus, effort and best talent is. Radeon's marketing division isn't very good either. Over the past few years, they've overhyped multiple releases (like Vega) and when they underdeliver on their claims, they just lose more and more market share. I think the whole Radeon division ought to be restructured, but AMD doesn't seem to have much interest in fixing it.
You are doing gods work my friend. 🙌
Thank you!
Great idea highlighting the enthusiast upgrade cost being increased majorly each generation recently. My 6900xt is a great card and will prevent upgrading by lowering settings and use fsr to keep high frames when need be.
That's what I did during the last two mining booms. Besides, it helps you appreciate the next upgrade that much more when you can crank up the settings!
My 2080 + DLSS has been great. CPU upgrade brought great performance
I can't afford to pay that much for a graphics card even if i wanted to.
Even used last gen cards are to costly considering that they are both used and old technology.
If this is the new benchmark for GPU prices, then i'm just gonna find another hobby.
Just make more money💀
Jensen,
It's done-ski !!!
DONE-SKI ! ! !
@@ImaMac-PC AMD seems to not like the video... They simply removed my post @ r/amd, reddit!
So, this attitude clearly shows that what u said, guessed and predicted were totally TRUE!
They just want to milk the gamers!
@@Boorock70 There is always Intel.
How much I missed one of these deep dives. Next-up! The 4080 impostor finally revealed as the 4070ti.
I always sell my current GPU 3 months before the release of the new generation and use an old 1070 to keep me going until the new launch. Worked perfect every time. Sold my 1080Ti for £450 in 2020, purchased a 3070 for £580 before price hikes. Sold my 3070 before the 4090 release for £400 and purchased a 4090. I'll sell the 4090 easily for £1300 if the 4080 prices don't budge. Never get stung by the new generation release.
Us gaming customers just need to wait them out to the point they lower the prices
Imagine if people just skipped this generation and waited. Eventually, Jensen would be forced to reduce prices.
To me, these high prices are obviously not going to stick. The 4090 might have sold well because of it's outstanding performance, but once you go even one step down, the 4080 is having a really hard time selling.
I think the top tier cards will continue to dramatically increase in performamce and cost until they stop selling (I'm guessing that point is $3k).
But how many people really need a top tier GPU? People need to stop believing the myth that you need a top spec card to enjoy games. I have a GTX 1060 6gb and at 1080p I can still run everything at high settings at 60fps. Cyberpunk, Elden Ring, God of War, and Half Life Alyx all ran nearly flawlessly after lowering the settings a touch. We need more people voting with their wallets for the cheaper cards, and even used cards when you find a good deal.
Big shout-out to the RX 6700 XT and RTX 3060 TI which both hover around $300 on eBay and can comfortably max out new games at 1440p (ignoring raytracing) at 60+ fps or high refresh rate 1080p. You can even do 4k if you lower the settings a touch.
Those two GPUs are IMHO great deals right now. And nothing in the new generation will offer better performance for the same money.
Personally, I only try to get the top tier GPU so I can hold off on upgrading for as long as possible. I bought a GTX 1070 a long time ago, and it’s lasted me well but I might have been in a better place if I sprung for a 1080ti instead.
But nowadays I don’t really partake in AAA gaming, preferring to play lower tech indie/open-source games and I’m probably sticking to 1080p. If the prices and sizes of video cards keep up at this rate, I might opt out of the current generation.
4060 8GB 128-bit bus for $600 incoming. Me with Intel ARC A770 16GB 256-bit bus at $319.99 with mail in rebate. Yeah, I'm set at 1080P or 1440P/60FPS for a while even 4K with XeSS and FSR. Also, Intel's first go at ray tracing went better then AMDs.
@@cobalt968 If you play on a screen 27in or less 1080P or 1440P is just fine at 60FPS. Don't buy the marketing BS.
@@phoenixrising4995 oh, I’m sure I’ll be fine mostly. But there’s some games out now that will tax my rig even with turning settings down. I’ll probably upgrade once a game I really want is going to be released, like Dragon’s Dogma 2.
in my place the 3080s are only 100$ below the 4080 so its a no brainer people buy those 4XXX series for Xmas and most folks have been waiting over 2 years now to upgrade their GPU only to find out that the 3090s are priced way above the 4080s
The overnight collapse of GPU mining has made the used market a much better place for deals in the states and put pressure on retail pricing. Was GPU mining a thing in your region?
@@ImaMac-PC I live in Eurozone where mining wasn't all that hyped due to extremely high electricity cost and NVDA 3XXX series together with AMDs 6XXX series had limited availability in every retailer coupled with the fact that the supply chain on those gpus was so severe that many brick and mortar traditional retailers decided to leave entirely from the gpu selling game. The situation as it is now from black friday and onwards the only gpu deals around are on Jensen's 4080s selling 100$ or 200$ above 3080s and 6800Xt. In fact if someone wants to pick a new 3090 from a decent AIB right now he will have to pay 200$ more than a 4080 which is crazy. In the used market mainly because all gpus are from gamers who want to trade their old gpus there are no real deals at all since every single one of them wants to sell their old 3XXX series way above MSRP.
3090's for a cheap as $650... that's how much I paid for my 3060 Ti Ventus 3X here in Poland during the summer of 2022. New prices are still holding around the same, whilst used prices have effectively halved. This is so demoralizing.
watching jensen strangle gamers to death for his shareholders
Buy used man I bought a rx 6800 for only 400 euro not worth buying new
Sell your current card and buy a 3090?
Are you going to cover the 4080 impostor? Really looking forward to hear your thoughts.
Currently have a series x ($500) 42 c2 ($750) & legion 5 pro 3070 laptop ($450, clearance Walmart). Continue to think to myself: What else do I need? “Maybe” I’ll upgrade the laptop to 4000 series, esp if they make OLED panels standard, but anything else continues to not make sense..
Why do you need a 40 series gpu in your laptop? Content creator?
@@Pisscan For the future, possibly adding 240hz Monitor or using C2 off laptop hdmi for pc games.
@@CarnivoryHODL so why have the series x at all, when pc gamepass is a thing?
Literally chilling with a RX 6600 watching high end GPUs pricing.
Driving a Honda watching Ferrari reviews 💀
KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090 SG 1 had £100 off to £1,699.99 and is in stock at one vendor. Don't think this will be the last price cut on new cards at least in Europe and UK. Drop card prices they will create shortage in other pc parts to make more profit.
Great video
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
the problem is that we as gamers are just not the targeted consumer anymore. AI is the new kid on the block and AI people will pay does prices.
I agree. If I were a professional working with AI, I would go straight for the 4090. However, the prices of mainstream cards don't need to be so high.
The very last nvidia graphics cards I bought back in 2005 "xfx geforce 7600 gt" and needless to say, I got no plan to buy another nvidia product in future... IT'S ALREADY "DONE-SKI" SINCE 2005...
You been using intel igpu since then? 💀
Jensen it's done-ski
3 Tiers of Gaming
x090: 1500 bucks plus 15 percent inflation every 2 years
x070: Price of a PSx
x50ti: Selling all your last generation shit on ebay and kicking in a hundred bucks
I think this gen is going to be turing 2.0. They're not going to sell in the volume Nvidia would like. I think the biggest reason they're selling at all is that the huge flood of used mining cards never materialized. We got some, and prices were better but not in the volume that would just crush the used market. We never saw sub $400 3080's. The other part of competition is availability of alternatives and the used market was not as strong as we'd hope it would be post crypto mining. There's still time, we could see a q1 flood. If 3080 Ti's drop under $500, I'll just buy one of those, undervolt it and definitely skip this generation (even though I got a 6800 for cheap. That'd be like 850 for 2 GPU's; 1 that can comfortably handle 4k and a very competent spare/collectable (my 6800 is a reference))
same but instead of the 3080 i would love to snap a 6950xt for 500 or less, and than we talking. You're 100% right
Yes, this is the generation to skip. The flood is not going to happen. Many miners are waiting for GPU mining to return and have just shutoff their rigs. It will be more of a ground swell of a lot of GPUs on the used market over the next year as miners slowly wake up to reality and sell off the equipment.
Jenson and Sue might have discussed the prices before launch 😅😅
last time I was this early 4090's was in stock
this time what you now have to do to get your coin like your early vid is skip a gen thus dividing by 2 asp
also you are seeing once old stock is gone the scalpers put into pcs
Bought myself 3080-10GB for 400$ recently off eBay. 0% chance of buying this gen GPUs, or even next gen's, if the prices remain the same. Just drop PC gaming overall.
Congrats, that's a great deal! It'll hold you over for a gen or two.
@@ImaMac-PC Thanks, it is. The funny part, that I bought 3080FE for MSRP first in May of 2021. Sold it. Thought gonna upgrade to 4080 or 7900XTX, but nope. These 2 relatives Huang and Su won't get any money this gen from me. (Lisa Su's grandfather is Jen-Hsun Huang's uncle.)
@@WENEVERLEFT And here was thinking Lisa Su was just Jen-Hsun in drag.
These prices have the potential to kill the PC hobby for all but the people with big bucks to spend. I mean i thought that $499+ for my 2070 was a ripoff in 2018 (it was) but now i'll need to spend $799 for a 4070 ti? Come on man. I'd only buy a 4070 if the msrp stays at $549 or $499. AMD has a lot of driver work still to so this gen.
And then if you go by the specs you realise the 4070ti is really a 4060.
The way it is going the 4070 will be much higher and the 4060ti will be in the $500 price range.
@@ImaMac-PC 4070 700$, 4060ti 600$. And of course actual price on the market will be 800-900$
Hope Intel can get the GPU division into shape and deliver some fantastic bang for buck GPU.
I have lost any hope I had with Nvidia & AMD.
Only 3rd player in GPU market or brutal recession will repair GPU market.
When your only hope left is Intel to save you, you've already lost, you just don't know it yet.
I wouldn't count on Intel. Intel isn't going to magically give everyone 4080 performance for $400 either. If your budget is at least $300, I'm willing to bet you can find a good GPU in USA right now that can play every game on steam. I can't speak for every country.
@@johnc8327 Battlemage will be pretty good for midrange and AMD and Nvidia just want to move high-end units now. If Intel plays its cards right the sub-$700 GPU segment could be theirs.
@@phoenixrising4995 Yeah, If Intel can improve, Battlemage might be interesting. We probably won't see B series Arc for a while though. They just came out with the A series.
@@johnc8327 Intel is pushing a yearly release cycle as per their keynote at the launch of Alchemist. Battlemage could be late 2023 or early 2024. Late 2023 would be awesome since that's when the holidays are.
Real depressing news, I have gamed for a long time but keeping the rig up to date is becoming more difficult to justify. Thanks for the video.
It is depressing if you've been doing this for that long. Not like it used to be.
Couldn't wait for Nvidia to release a reasonably priced 40X0 series GPU, so ended up buying a used 3060 TI off of ebay (for $300) to pair with i5-12600K build. Seems to be working out ok. Jensen, it's done-ski. (And also best wishes to intel to hopefully create some competition.)
That's a really good combo and nice system. You can skip this gen!
4070 ti is $1000 competing against 7900xtx
It seems that the intention is to move the PC sector to consoles or that you buy a video card and have it for 6 years
It's not the greed. They are just trying to milk whatever is left of their "free" node scaling. Moore's law is no more, yet they still have to make a profit somehow.
In Europe it’s even more ridiculous. I’ve just checked and in my area the cheapest you can get a 4080 is at 1400€. And you’re lucky if you can find a 4090 below 1900€.
You mean EU mainland… UK is fine, we have 4080FE for msrp
@@Pisscan what’s the MSRP there?
@@javiermd5835 £1199
Me over here never having sold any GPU I bought for the last 20 years. I sold exactly 1 GPU in my life (my Voodoo2 12 megs) and I regret it to this day. Nostalgia > trying to make a few bucks back short term.
You like holding on to obsolete silicon? 💀
@@Pisscan Yes. I even have my Pentium 120 and its motherboard in my closet, my soundblaster 16 and my USR 56k modem, my 2 celleron 300 a systems and their boards, and so on.
@@JathraDH hoarders… gonna hoard
@@Pisscan I don't hoard anything non tech related or anything that I haven't personally used. Its about the memories attached to those items.
For instance how I had to work my ass off to get my first computer, going to EB and seeing those shiny Voodoo2 boxes then working to afford them etc. These things were major parts of my life and I can't discard them out of hand.
@@JathraDH did you keep your first monitor and first cellphone also?
Scamdemic! not Pandemic!
Yup
Jenson is doneski.
Had to say it.
We've been being screwed all since the Nvidia 20seires as in General by Intel and especially Nvidia. Now amd is on the same train.
It's a sad day when I find myself looking to Intel for help in this market.
I wish everyone should watch this.
/When I got my MSi Mech 6650xt OC at almost AMD sale price 250USD, I managed grab it for 7800CZK(21perc VAT thats 280USD VAT excl), I new its not yet at optimal spot, but currently those 6600xt/6650xt selling out, going for 8400CZK and up.
I got catched by AMD slot in Nvidia.
GTX1050 for 3280CZK(109USD) in end of 2017 is just history of budget pricing.
But transistor count with 6650xt came 3,3x for me, memory capacity 4x, better cooler, that useless dumb PCB back plate making nothing good IMO, just add costs.
3060 sells for either 8400CZK (single fan Palit) or 8949CZK (Gainward 2fan). Thats 2y old MSRP.
Let's ignore inflation, it newer had been issue for dropping prices of old stuff in past. /
If production cost is 200usd for 60 tier, then It's still 60perc margin at upcoming new stuff. Pretty evil.
I bet Jensen set new rule with 3060 8GB for 4060 memory capacity too. Nothing is out of evil logic.
Did I miss Rdna2 and 3. AMD MSRP of 6600, 6600xt, 6700xt were early optimistic, rely on drivers update - buyers investment in stuff to "mature". 6X50 refreh was joke with those prices up. But sales made it below shelves sitting 6x00xt models, what a surprise.
But who shout to be out of crowd.. You do! Good job.
Happy New Year.
Thank you and thank you for sharing your local prices. Happy New Year!
talk about radeon market shares when third party retailers struggle to get 7000 series despite being able to preorder and cards allotted to them even AMD themselves don't seem to care about market shares anymore now
And as TSMC is about to see its FAB utilization decrease to 60%, AMD could order up more wafers and increase supply...but they won't...because they don't care.
@@ImaMac-PC Absolutely
I’m gobsmacked people are buying at these prices. The old adage that a fool and their money are easily parted is sure be proved correct in the high end of GPU sales.
It is surprising. While I look to educated with my videos, if they don't care about losing money, I'll be there two years from now buying the used GPU and saving $1,000 or more.
Price to performance...I'll be keeping my 1080 a little while longer....
Living below the poverty line must suck
1080 in 2023.. Just buy a 3060ti and move on…💀
@@Pisscan Looks pretty good, but I don't know if I can justify $450-$500 for 25% performance increase. Have to do some research, but your suggestion is very tempting.
Update: Pulled the trigger and got the ROG Strix 3060-TI. I figured it's going to be a while before I can upgrade again, so I might as well get a matching GPU and CPU AIO cooler to go with my ROG Z370 motherboard. Thanks for the support!
Difference now is that you wont upgrade next gen, you will stretch out the card for 5 years before buying another one and Jensen knows this
The people who buy the 1600 USD cards aren't the same people who'd hold this card for the next 5 years. Do you think they can hold their autism in and not buy the 5090 when it launches?
I put off pc gaming for 2 years because I refused to buy an inflated GPU do to crypto mining now, It looks like Im gonna invest my money in something more solid not a PC product that will be obsolete in 2 years.
Invest in NFTs 💀
Same here. Rode out what I had. Now there are lots of great deals on the used market. Just need something to get by with and skip this high priced generation.
We can say whatever we want, we are the not that loud minority, the majority of people just use their credit card to buy their four figure GPUs anyway, if they really want them, they dont really care about price structure, i am really happy to buy those gpus when the next gen comes arround. Like in most other things the majority of people decide what the future gonna bring to us
I look at it the other way. 4080 & 4090 sales are only a few hundred thousand and yet Steam has over 30M users. People buying four figure GPUs are the minority but they cast a big vote when they pay those prices. And I don't mind letting them absorb the four figure financial hit and buying used.
@@ImaMac-PC I understant but i fear that four figure gpu will become the norm in high end gpus and used last gen gpu might cost four figures as well, when the new gen arrives.
so 1500$ for a new gpu, now, that means for a lot of ppl, that they need to upgrade their PSU, which also means for people they need to upgrade t heir mobo/cpu to avoid bottlenecking. Just a new GPU+PSU hurts. I am staying with my 1080Ti till it dies!
That 1080ti keeps on going!
and their power bill goes up to the 4080/4090 are pigs for power.
@@phoenixrising4995 what are you talking about? 4080 draws the same power as 3080… 💀
Won't pay these prices. Still have my 2070 Super. Seems it will have to suffice for now.
IMO, this sort of ridiculous pricing cannot last. Who's going to buy these cards at these prices? Mining is as dead as disco, so it's back to selling to us regular gamers/enthusiasts. And from what I can see re availability of 40xx cards, not enough people seem to be falling for these prices. Unless a new mining-boom emerges in the very near future (which I doubt), us enthusiasts and gamers are NVidia's only customers.
It'll be interesting to see where on the price-chart they'll place the 4060/Ti and 4070 - but I don't have much hope those will be priced more reasonably. I for one had planned to perhaps upgrade my six month old RTX 3070 to a 4070 or even 4070 Ti because of VR ... but I surely won't do it at these prices. I'll just live with my 3070 being slightly inadequate in VR and do more non-VR gaming - for which that card is more than enough for my 1440p needs. I would imagine that many other folks out there with similar GPUs currently in their systems will do the same. I mean... even back in the days when I never had to spend more than €200 to 400 for a GPU, I didn't swap out my cards with the launch of every new generation.
Only get away with it for so long though, More people will skip a generation in future.
May even stagnate the industry move to 4k as people just stay at 1080p and 1440p to save money not upgrading gpu.
oh its going to kill progress alright. game companies have no reason to push graphics if olny 1% can play them. and likewise if no one is able to afford new it means new buyers to the pc market will get turned away effectively causing marketspace shrink.
You know people at nVidia and AMD are smart enough to understand this simple dynamic...and yet they press on anyways for short-term money while ignoring the longer term effects overall.
@@ImaMac-PC question is Jensen willing to strangle to death the hobby for the sake of his master plan? or will things change towards normalcy after he takes the hint?
People in the comments considering converting to consoles shows something in pc history already. When everyone was projecting pc gaming to die, no really good games came out and it was dying. Many switched to consoles, and some games finally saved pc market, but it was in bad shape. It is happening now, based on price
I agree. The PC market was revitalized by having better hardware than consoles at great prices. Now the increased prices will have the opposite effect.
My ASUS tuf oc 3080 12gb ran me 1300$ last February -march , and in January 2022 it was 1600-1800$, and after I bought it in march for 1300$ and two month later it was down to 750 $ lucky I had bought micro centers 2 year protection plan, so I waited for 4090/4080 to come out and I fried my 3080 so they gave me full 1300$ refund so I got upgrade 4080 free I wanted a 4090 but they were wiped out and there was only couple 4080s left since past two months they all been out of stuck completely bc I wanted to exchange my 4080 for 4090 and they been had none in the store …at least I have two year another protection on my 4080 maybe later I can do same and get 4090 and after I guess if I lose the money it’s fine at least I get my money worth, only way u can survive in this world at these prices
This gen is the most disappointed I've ever been lol. With the terrible pricing and underlived performance as expected (besides the 4090 which is the only card with a good uplift imo) the prices are just shockingly bad and it amazes me how dumb people can be to just bend over and take it and even defend the pricing lol it's just embarrassing. I'm skipping this gen, no one should buy at these prices. I can accept slightly higher than last gen due to inflation but these prices are way beyond inflation. More acceptable prices imo would of been $1,299 for the 4090, $799 for the 4080 and $549 for the 4070ti. Still not yhe best price for the 4080 since its not really deserving of an 80 series card but much better than the ridiculous prices we got lol. Why are people in such a rush ?use your heads and Vote with your wallet , if they don't sell they lose money and it sends them a message. I don't understand why people don't grasp such a single concept lol they're just not worth buying at these prices
nothing we can do about it, people with deep pockets are going to buy, every time the 4090s come into stock at my microcenter , they stay in stock every time only for a couple of hours or a few minutes. people dont think with their brains they just want the best. and it seems like the casuals who buy them up, outnumber the smart gamer or enthusiast buyer
Casuals are richer than the smart gamer/ enthusiast 💀
@@Pisscan lol
@Prince greene well all I can do Is just not buy lol I happy to wait for reasonable prices . If that means waiting until next gen then so be it. I refuse to accept these prices it will ruin pc gaming if it prices everyone out
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime let’s hope that the rumors of the 5090 costing 2’000 MSRP doesn’t become reality
Has to Be Jensen that loses! Lisa as well!!! Nvidia is just despicable, and AMD deserves the death of RTG with their follower mentality.
Even though RDNA3 has under-performed they are still impressive cards for first gen tech. They obviously have no desire to take market share.
Herkelman needs to be the first to get the AXE, next the RADEON Branding, Then whatever bean counters they listen to about pricing.
Radeon has not been first to new features since Eye-Finity 2014!!! My MSRP 3080 is getting mighty comfortable cause it ain't goin nowhere.
I think AMD just needs to sell Radeon to someone that will actually do something worthwhile with the brand. To see how good Radeon has been at various times in their history and then you look at their current market share, it's appalling how AMD is killing the Radeon namesake with failure after failure.
This one hell of a PSA.
Thanks. Someone has to say it.
I'll pick up a 4090 when ....ohhh no I won't ...it's too Damm big lol 🤣 for $600 maybe ..but it won't fit in my nice mid lian LI or fractal case
wait 4 years and you will see it
Just stick to 1440p man. It’s sad to see that in 2023 we don’t have high refresh rate 4k yet for anyone but the ultra rich.
I was thinking about getting a 4080 to replace my card to hand my 3080 down to my son. I’ll likely just buy a last gen x600 card for a few hundred and stay a gen behind and buy it deeply discounted. It’s the smart move financially to fight nvidia/amd.
Just buy a 4090, and give your son the 3080..
It is the smarter move and sends the message to nvidia/amd. Get him a used 3060ti for ~$300 and he'll be fine.
Grab a used GPU while they are hot 😅 With every new gen launch lots ppl get rid of their old card o ebay etc
I'm disgusted at the large percentage of people online vigorously defending nvidia's high prices, mostly from people who bought a 4070 ti. Screw those people and nvidia (and amd) too. I'm going to stick with my 3080 10gb I got for $450 used as long as it takes for prices to come down.
That's a great price for a 3080 and allows you to skip this gen.
@@ImaMac-PC I got tired of being ripped off. Last October (2022), used 3080's started going for under $500 and I knew that was as good as it was going to get so I grabbed one. I managed to get a 3060 ti for $620 at the beginning of the mining boom in January 2021 just as prices were rising which was too expensive but not bad considering how high prices went, and that card served me well for almost 2 years, but after that I waited patiently for a good deal. That's probably how I'm going to buy gpu's from now on - wait until the best possible time to buy at the lowest price, like I did with my $450 3080.
Dang I just paid $1147 for a 4080. No upgrade for me for a while. My target this gen was 4k. Previously was gaming at 1440p with a Radeon VII (2019) which was $699. The flagship jump to $999 seems reasonable but I totally missed out and to this day still can’t find an 7900 XTX.
yep think ill just buy a console tbh lol
Regarding reason 1, yet another reason to STILL hate the crypto culture haha.
80 series is no longer enthusiast gpu
Enthusiast will have to settle for 70/70ti series gpus.
More like 60 series stuff at $600.
People are supporting this business practice now a days. Like when the first $1000 iphone came out. People thought it was crazy. But hey guess what? Now almost everyone has a either a pro or a pro max.
nVidia does want to become more like Apple, and you are right, +$1000 iPhones are popular. But I know people who no longer buy iPads or entry level laptops and just use their iPhone for everything. Not sure what you don't buy if you spend so much on a GPU.
Housing here to is insane. The price of everything is insane.
@@ImaMac-PC I mean duh, they even ship dongles for their GPU. All I can say is that they need to improve QA to be an Apple. No more melty dongles please.
Always lagg behind a generation never buy cutting edge
Im skipping this generation myself as i cant justify these insane price hikes. i believe the 30 series will be the new 10 series. something people hang onto for yrs to come. at least until nvidia and amd wake up and realize nobody is going to pay these exhorbant prices. hell i may even skip the gen after these as well. im not into just throwing money away. the price to perf just isnt there this gen at all. they still dont perform imo as good as they should. reminds me of how apple does their minor incremental upgrades. this gen 720p front camera next gen 1080p. its honestly laughable. tech is supposed to get cheaper and faster. its not supposed to get faster and a shit ton more expensive.
I agree. Ampere will be like the Pascal generation. Ada will be like Turing. I actually thought I was going to skip Ampere and go right to Ada however, the used deals on Ampere are a much better value than Ada. This trend of just paying more every gen can't go on forever. They have to earn my money by providing better value or like you said, I'll just hang on to what I have for years. I've done it through two mining booms already. I can out-wait Jensen.
@@ImaMac-PC very well put, they do have to earn my money just as i have to. so far im not impressed w pricing or perf over ampere. the 4090 is an outlier here as not everyone has that kind of cash. is it good yes, is it expensive absolutely. the 4080 imo is just horrible for the price of it. i have a 3090ti i got for a deal and im good for a gen or 2. jensen will learn the hard way on his pricing thats for sure. i will be holding out myself thats for sure. i built my first pc and have certainly learned alot. im surprised everyone let nvidia get away w these shenanigans this long. they need to be taught a lesson. the lesson is they sell a luxury not a necessity. if you wanna overcharge for it keep it. i can wait quite a long time i ask jensen can you? im betting investors will say otherwise. thanks for the response as well.
No one is a loser when you have disposable income. These cards are cheap. Let be real, it’s not like the average person is upgrading every generation. A 4090 over 2 generations is really cheap.
People need to boycott rtx 4000 series. Stop buying that crap. Or we will have to pay 4 figures all the time from now on.
“People”… tell that to businesses that make money from these GPUs… it’s not just used for gaming 💀
Boycott Nvidia now!
Imagine buying a 3090 to play elden ring 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah, I'll never understand that one
Giant ripoff.
The problem is young men. None strive to get their Driver's Licenses, even less covet a cool automobile and with a pedal bike and man-bun being symbols of the status that they are comfortable portraying to the opposite sex, it seems to leave them with ALOT of spare income that they are able to dedicate to overpriced Video Cards to occupy all of their solitary time at home, because the girls sure aren't beating down their doors. It's all about priorities I guess.....
Shut up , price is still high and high end 4090 GPUs are still in high demand .
You know there's cheaper cards, right?
Yeah and the "cheaper" cards are going to start becoming disproportionately expensive too.
@@Kryptic1046 Nvidia's high prices are getting increased market share. Just sayin.
@@drewjackson3858 - Market share does not equal total units sold. It just means your competition sold even less than you did. GPU sales on the whole are down 42% year-over-year, and discreet GPU sales in total for 2022 are at a 20-year low. This can't be simply explained away by the mining crash because mining wasn't around 15-20 years ago.
I wonder what else is leading to this dip in total GPU sales. Could it be, I dunno, the stupidly high prices maybe?
@@Kryptic1046 Actually, I just saw something on that. I'm not sure high end gpu prices are entirely to blame though. Play COD lately? But yeah, I'm not sure we're in total disagreement.
I've got a job so my Suprim watercooled 4090 is due on Jan 8th. If I were still eighteen I'd say 'screw raytracing' and get a 2080. There's plenty of cards that'll give you good fps for cheap and you'll have a better experience than I did with all those cheaper graphic cards they had back in the day.
@@drewjackson3858 - I already have a Gigabyte OC 4090 because, ironically, the 4090 is in my opinion the only current-gen card worth its price because its performance is so good and it's a halo product. I work as a financial analyst, and the overall upward shift of pricing on everything below the top tier is concerning. I'm not worried about pricing on the highest-end, I'm more concerned about everything below it. The 4080 for example doesn't have halo appeal, its specs and performance are nowhere near the 4090, but Nvidia still thinks you should pay $1200+ for it. Then there's $800 for the upcoming 70-class card, which could be argued is actually a 60ti-class card.
The pricing of supposed mainstream cards is quickly getting out of control and I don't think it's healthy for the market overall.
Jensen is killing pc gaming.
And Lisa is not stopping him...or even slowing him down.