Why Charging By The Hour Doesn't Make Sense
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“Here’s the deal, I work really fast. I’m being punished for being efficient.”
Me to my wife after I finished in 33 seconds
🤣🤣👌
This is why men have self esteem issues. You brag about 33 seconds and set unrealistic goals for people
Efficient wasn't the word she used though.
Sir..sir.. I was not expecting this 😂😂☠️..
Did she get off tho
Here is the problem. The business owner values his time but he doesn't value yours.
It’s your job to help them understand this.
Well, in the aggregate I'd say generally they value the result, but many business owners understand you need people with expertise & work ethic and that has a cost that is worth the trade. That's where, as @The Futur seemed to imply, you have to show that you are, indeed, worth that trade.
This is exactly what people need to realize is why they pay scraps to employees. 🤷
iam schocked
Except real world, u pay someone a lump sum to make this logo with a time table/deadline. There r penalties for taking longer.
Had a client tell me the same argument after I fell a massive tree that stood in between his 2 buildings. He argued that he paid me more than a surgeon cost to cut the tree. I told him he didn’t pay me to cut the tree, he paid me to guarantee it didn’t fall on one of his buildings. Its like a lightbulb went on. From there on I did all his landscaping at all his buildings and we are still friends 10+ years later. Skill costs money.
Well duh. Who pays a surgeon to cut down a tree?
@@ribbon_dyetree surgeons are people who cut branches off trees
@@ribbon_dye I do 🤕
You apparently missed the point of this....ugh
@ribbon_dye given how long it takes to cut down with a scalpel, they sure as hell would want to be paid hourly
He broke that down insanely good.
"Well", not good.
That's Chris Do for you
That's a well grammer lesson.
He's also stating the obvious. When's the last time you met a contractor for art, music, etc who charged hourly? There's a REASON it's the industry standard to charge per minute of music, rather than hours spent on it.
Yeah, because it's a concept a 5yo could figure out
Every hourly worker just shed an invisible tear.
Sure did
Invisible
That's why I don't accept hourly rates
When your young like me you don't have many options
Nope
That’s why artists typically don’t charge an hourly rate.
Well sure if you know roughly how long it is going to take you and charge accordingly on a daily rate.
Depends on the type of art as well tho, I think this mostly applies to graphic design opposed to something like illustration or sequential arts
For something like a logo, charging by the job makes more sense anyways. You say "I want a logo, workshop me five samples, I'll choose the one I want, then finalize that one. 20,000 dollars. I'll throw in an extra 5,000 bonus if you workshop me ten samples instead, but that's optional."
And then the artist either says "deal" or tries to negotiate the price a little bit.
The contract will always have a "get this job done in X months time" to it, but that doesn't mean they're paying you 20-25,000 bucks over X months, you're being paid 20-25,000 per JOB.
In the same way businesses shouldn't pay hourly for a job-based contract, artists/contractors shouldn't be requesting hourly pay. That's the other side of this issue is that a lot of artists think they can get away with that.
It's ultimately up to businesses to say "No, I'm paying you this much money to get the job done. 4 month deadline, finish it whenever. Bonuses for X" because that's the responsible thing to do. The artists definitely cannot make that request lmao.
How about that Italian artist that sold an invisible sculpture for $18,300... he is so efficient he doesn't have to do anything.
Or even at my shop. Cleaning a carb takes me 10 min. But I charge for an hour. Your paying for labor and knowledge.
Got a friend who is a part time wedding photographer 20-30 weddings per year. He spends 1-2 hours deleting bad photos, does no editing or processing at all, then sends accross his wedding photos. He guarantees that his turnaround is within a month. He usually makes everyone wait 21-25 days. People could have the photos next day, but then they always come up with complaints, because they feel they haven't got value!
I often "put off" delivery of 3d models now for the same reason as your friend. Depending on the complexity, I can usually design the models fairly quickly. But I found that if the customer knows this theyll complain about the agreed upon price, or say it feels rushed.
Your friends clients assume that the photos they receive are the best they can be because he tricked them into believing that he spent time editing and processing them. That's why they don't complain. Your friend is a dirt bag who is scamming his clients.
@@KiCkiN828It's not the same thing at all. It would be one thing if his friend was really efficient at editing and processing photos, but he actually delivers an unfinished product and uses the extra time to trick his clients into believing it is finished. It sounds like you actually deliver what you promise.
@@McP1mpinI'll bandwagon here and add that this is related to perceived value as well. I do. A lot of crafting shows and have to be mindful of not just my bottom line to profit but also what the same or similar items are selling for.
If my decorative wine glass is 20 bucks each to compete with a other Booth's decorative glasses, say at 40 or 50 each, then one of two things can occur. I profit because people see their's as over priced, or they profit because mine is seen as potentially cheap. "Why is it half the value?" is the question they never verbalize.
Now put my booth with 10 others. If I'm the cheapest, I need to raise my prices, because now not only could I be the cheap stuff but I'm more likely to be doing something less reliable than the other 9. This works in vice versa as well, but being seen as premium could push people away because being top price could be interpreted as some gold standard that is 'perfect,' and you don't need a perfect wine glass- just a good one.
It doesn't matter if I got a deal from a supplier and thus I could lower the price, all because of perception.
@@McP1mpin he tricks no one. He advertises as unfiltered and unedited, natural style.
This guy has a lot of patience. I wish I have the ability to break things down on how things work. ❤❤❤❤
He was getting paid by the hour.
@@danielmcfall539😂😂
You don’t pay hourly for a commission. You pay hourly for maintained work.
This is what I was trying to think of but my brain couldn’t get there lol.
While he was explaining it I was like “that’s not how that works, if someone can do it quicker for the same amount then that has nothing to do with valuing either time or money more, and when you propose the job they say “I’ll do this for X amount and it will take y time” not “I’ll do it for $180 an hour and I have no clue how long it’ll take”.
Okay, but he still completed the logo for the hirer, and the hirer absolutely loved it.
But now you are valuing someone who works efficiently per hour as much as the person who takes a bathroom break every hour. In a sense the guy is trying to explain how to get a raise.
Exactly, I was trying to figure out the context for this discussion. Were they talking about hourly wage beforehand? Or did this all have to do with commissioned jobs? It started with the guy asking about where his 18k goes and the presenter suddenly talking about hours and not why why commissioned artists charge for what they do.
apparently, some dumbass business owners/ startups charge freelancing work by the hour, it's pissing me off
“If I do a job in 30 minutes, it’s because I spent 10 years learning how to do that in 30 minutes. You owe me for the years, not the minutes.”
False no one owes you anything for acquiring a skill that made you useful to the world. That’s terrible logic
@@darkvader0248 And yet billionaire business owners use that same logic and they're praised as job creators.
@@darkvader0248 So you are okay with working for free then?
@@darkvader0248 you’re paying for someone’s skills not their time. If you weren’t paying me for my skill you wouldn’t need me in the first place.
Not my fault it took you 10 years to learn
You don't pay me for doing it in 5 minutes, you pay me for knowing how to do it in 5 minutes.
Exactly.
Tht
You pay me for saving you 12 hours trying to fix it
Just because you can do it in 5 minutes doesn't mean your quality of work is good. You pay for quality, not knowing how to do something
@@user-id9rf6fh7o it’s implied that he meant “you pay me for knowing how to do it well in 5 mins”. Obviously doing something fast, but poor quality is not worth much.
I was once told that exceeding expectations should be the norm... The catch there is that it clearly isn't a default behaviour, because it is exceeding expectations, which BY DEFINITION is beyond ones prior contributions.
If I am going to work above & beyond what is expected then I SHOULD/WILL expect the same in return, which means providing me with rewards that go beyond the norm, additional pay, additional time off/vacation time, and that I can appreciate as such.
When my now former manager told me that, my response was:
You don't do that for me, why should I do so for you?
@@FBI-ju5no I graduated as an engineer, so I don't like blunt ends like that, I provided the opportunity for him to improve, and he actually did, and because of his review of options, such as this, he offered me a promotion to the Enterprise wide Systems Administrator, with the acknowledgement that with this promotion I would also be required to take more responsibility.
There weren't enough perks to make the position a lot more appealing, because it was a startup, but I liked the work I was doing, and would be doing, in the provided role. :-)
@@KyleManel
Glad to hear it.
My situation was a bit different.
I'd been passed over for several promotions, in favor of people that never cut it, as they all quit in short order, whereas I had been doing similar work for years.
I came in to cover for others, and even picked up additional shifts all the time, going a full month without taking a day off once, all at his request, heck I never even took a vacation for the eight years I worked there.
I could go on for quite some time actually, so I'll sum it up here:
I gave above and beyond to that job damn near all the time, and not a finger was lifted in appreciation, or even respect, and certainly not in better pay.
I quit because the management team has proven to be incompetent, and unwilling or unable to, bring any actual benefit to me, despite demanding, and receiving, far more from me, than what they were willing to do in kind.
They deserved every last negative thing they got after I left.
Charging by the hour punishes me more for being good...I FELT THAT🙏🏿🔥🔥
The only thing i used to count hour for is to not go under a certain amount. 😂 If your goal is let's say $20 for an hour you don't have to continue the things that take long and make little money.
This is a very strong argument for salaried positions for high value candidates.
Yea the other guy makes mo sense 🤦🏽♂️how you going to charge by the Hour for a Logo,Im sure they charge a direct price and then come up with the logo if he charges by the Hour than they Dude can take ling and charge more like he said 😂
Depends on your industry.
hes a noob business man hourly plus performance base contract also an option
The Patient asks the Dentist how much to pull his bad tooth. 🦷
The Dentist says it will be $250.
The Patient says that’s outrageous! How long will it take?
The Dentist says it will take about a minute.
The Patient is now even more angry and says charging $250 for a minute’s worth of work is insane!
The Dentist says to the Patient….Well, if it’s the amount of time to pull the tooth that you’re upset about, I can take as long as you like.
Nice one.
Bro that's a damn costly dentist 😅
But this exactly illustrates why hourly rate makes sense in certain kinds of services.
True, hourly billing pribably doesn’t make sense for dental services (at least for tooth extractions) because the amount of time it takes to perform the service is not considered to be an adequate reflection of the value of the services, and the time it takes to pull out a tooth is pretty predictable.
And this is exactly why a lot of services, dental services included, AREN’T being charged by the hour! I mean duh, the humor apparently seems to try to be smart and cheeky but that IS exactly why in the real world dental services are not typically being charged by the hour. So what is it that you are actually satirizing and poking fun at here?
The hourly billing is the norm in certain other industries because for those the amount of time spent is considered to adequately reflect the amount and value of the work. Or it could be that in certain situations, the service provider is simply unwilling to take on the risk of a project taking way longer than originally expected, and the hourly billing is just a risk allocation mechanism that results from the service provider and client’s negotiations.
@@thefuturwho asked that question
My guy, I don't think any sane person will ask "how"... But why? Don't make up things for likes
This is also the reason roadwork in the US lasts forever. We pay road contractors hourly, so they're incentivized to drag their feet and work inefficiently. A road will be under construction for years sometimes. Rather than just paying a salary and letting them go home whenever the task is done, the workers would just get it done as soon as possible and spend the rest of the month relaxing.
You're telling me the US government isnt smart enough to put a clause in the contract that will incentivise a contractor to finish a project on time 😂 you're talking put your arse
Roadwork also takes years in Germany
my dad is a generator tech. he said if youre getting paid hourly, you wanna take as long as you can on a job. if youre getting commission, then you wanna get it done as efficiently and as fast as possible
I had a job where they told me that if I finish my work early, they will give me more work to keep me there 40 hours. I said, "You just disincentivized me to work faster."
So you failed math or you just don't want money?
@@darthrubik8384 Let me try explaining another way. Let's say I do X work for which they pay me $50K. They suppose that it will take me 40 hours to do X work.
But it only takes me 35 hours, so they give me XY work (where Y is 5 extra hrs of work) for which I now make....$50K.
@@darthrubik8384 you must have failed math, or cant read. the same or more work, he gets paid the same. work normal, not harder.
@@TK-7193 or go get a different job. For you, preferably one without the handling of numbers 🤡
@@darthrubik8384 so, you are paid to work a certain amount of hours, and are given a certain amount of work. if you so choose to be goody two shoes and do more work, you should be paid more too, right? well thats not whats happening. you do more work, for the same pay. there is no reason to do more work than needed. you sound like you enjoy being taken advatage of. but i mean, whatever floats your boat.
This is a concept I have to explain fairly regularly to my customers. I own an automotive repair shop. We charge hourly based on how long a job is supposed to take according to industry standard labor guides. If a job calls for 2 hours and it takes me 3, you pay 2 hours. If that same job takes me 5 minutes, you still pay 2 hours. Charging this way serves 2 purposes. First it protects the consumer from overpaying for a job because a technician decided to drag his feet. Secondly it rewards efficient and experienced technicians who can complete a job faster than expected.
Thank you for helping me understand
It doesn't protect the consumer. It's admirable you say you'll charge 2 if it takes 3, but 99% of shops dont, and no one is monitoring shops to make sure they're charging the right amount of time. It protects the shop. If something doesn't take long, they make money. If it takes longer, they still make money. It's the same reason a Dr office charges you when you don't show. "Cause that time could've gone to another person". Except that slot is still 100% going to be filled by other work, but now you're making a guaranteed profit. Mechanic is also the only profession where you can get away with charging someone to fix something without actually fixing anything.
It's a shame that you've had that kind of negative experience with your local shops. Sadly, dishonesty is everywhere. I'd recommend finding a reputable facility that you trust. They're out there, just few and far between. Also, there are multiple free resources available to US based consumers to help you make good decisions when it comes to automotive repair. I'll leave you with a few tips.
1. Always get more than one estimate. Make sure they tell you what brand parts they'll be using and ask what their labor rate is.
2. Never replace a part the shop can't PROVE is faulty. All to often I hear of other shops saying something like "We need to start with this...". No, they can either perform a complete and correct diagnosis or they can't. Sadly, most can't.
3. Reading codes with a little handheld is NOT a diagnostic. If somebody simply checks codes then tries to sell you something, they're guessing. Their guess may be right sometimes, but when it's not you'll be the one stuck holding the bag.
About experienced and efficient crafts(wo)men . Looking at 100 of these 'skilled' peoples , say 50 of them will do , 25 are just greedy and fail in their working-qualities and the applied materials and the last 25 craftsmen still not yet on that high level of knowledge . Those 50% , eager for getting paid as the first 50% despite their lack of competence . And that is truly a big concern for most customers
Don’t forget the part that if you can do a 2 hour job in 30 minutes, theyre paying for your knowledge, talent, and experience, in completing a job that takes longer in less time and efficiently.
"Reward work, not time."
this one statement could end the whole seminar full of discussion
The explanation he gives is on point, bc sometimes others can give you the vision you are looking for in less time and if need be, some minor revisions for that cost🤗
“You don’t pay the plumber for banging on the pipes… you pay him from knowing where to bang” Harvey Spector Suits 😉
You don't pay me to press buttons, you pay me for knowing which buttons to press - My university professors in cybersecurity
@@adamjj001 Yes this one, this is what I will say
look up a 2 min youtube video called "It Costs that much"
I didn't pay the plumber to bang my wife either.
You don’t pay the plumber for banging on the pipes…, you pay him for banging your wife
My dad used to work for a construction company that offered very good bonuses for meeting the time, quality, and budget requirements, but after he started maxing out his bonuses, they decided that they were paying him too much, even though he could get a restaurant up and running twice as fast as the other superintendents, so they raised the standards and lowered the bonuses. The effect this had across the company was that everybody just decided to forget about the bonuses, and do the work at whatever Pace they felt like, so that production fell by a significant margin. It never fails that any time you meet a company's expectations, they just raise the bar and lower the incentive.
Yep bosses ALWAYS choose to think "Wow, are number's are great... this job must be easy, let's stop being so generous since people keep reaching for them and actually getting them". They always turn the bonuses into a "arcade claw machine" where the amount of effort to get something is titanic and BS
This is exactly how Verizon grew so fast in the mobile field. When I started we had to get 5 activations a month and then the bonus pay started, and increased in % every couple of activations. My bonuses were double my pay and I had plenty of overtime. Then it went to 15 then 20 when I left in 2012 it was up to 70 a month to keep your job. No appreciation for the employees that did the work.
You’re absolutely right so you’re gonna get fucked either way. welcome to corporate greed America capitalism. Great, isn’t it?
@@JennieG-ed8ef welcome to capitalism
Prospect theory at work. When someone lowers the expected reward or increases the expected cost, people tend to get angry. Thinking this way also creates an us vs them mentality which hurts synergy.
As an engineer it's always crazy to see business people talk about basic math like it's some mind blowing concept.
We feel yah, as an engineer you probably also noticed that basic stuff isn't so basic to everyone.
The person sitting down changed his answer real quick.
This is my biggest problem with hourly jobs , it makes me even sleepy just thinking about it
It can be used the right way, if I make something in 3 hours and charge a 100, but you make it in 2 and charge 150 or even 175, most will choose you.
F.e. look at the lawyers, top professionals have ridiculous hourly rates.
Yeah I just got changed from hourly to pure commission and at first I was nervous but now I don’t want to go back. I feel like I have more control over my time and work.
Wow 🤯
Don’t forget about customer service jobs… If I could just serve one table immaculately and collect my pay for the entire shift and go home, I would love to lol
@@Madi_Ernar lawyers is a terrible example as they are the ones who benefit from the hourly wage
"You're not paying for my time. You are paying for my talent, skills and experience."
A little redundant, skill is a product of talent, experience, and hard work
Imagination.
@@voltagestorm1787I think he's just trying to make a point
@@voltagestorm1787is an ironic statement. Repetition is intentional
I paint scenery and it only takes me longer, if there is fussy lettering. I feel funny saying that something that I painted on the stage only took a few hours. The weeks of planning and research on what I was going to paint and the transporting of my supplies take some of the time.
That’s the problem a lot of self employed trade workers have, my dad’s a prop builder from everything from theatre to magicians. And every time he finishes a project he rings me up for advice bc the jobs usually take 100s of man hours (bc of how much effort he puts in) but he can’t charge per hour otherwise the bill will be too high and not worth it for the customer
The unspoken thing is, there's no pleasing some people unless it's immediate, perfect and free.
A wise man once said, pay someone for the value they bring, not the amount of hours they work.
Who is that wise man?
That’s exactly word for word what he said bro it ain’t no quote 💀
@@skilxrd1203 Word for word what someone said is the literal definition of a quote lmao
@@Mrkti the guy in the video, verbatim 😭
Those days are gone sadly 😊
In an hourly job the laziest worker is the smartest one.
The laziest one that does enough yo not get fired
If they’re okay with being miserable watching the clock go by.
*they think they're the smartest
Not if it gets you fired...😅
Maybe I cant stand hourly work then.
Wow! This is what my older brother told me like 25-30 years ago: if they paid him $60 for the job vs $10 an hr for the same job= he worked slowly to get the $60 they could of just paid him for his knowledge & got the job done in 1 hr for the $60 vs having to piddle around for 6 hrs ( it’s the skill & knowledge that your paying for ! ) ( R.I.P. my brother )
Ti's instructor is really good at logic
If someone can fix a spaceship in five minutes, he's gonna be asking more than $15
you would charge for time along with the cost of materials
@@Julia-yx9ks not just time
exactly lol
You dont pay me for my time. You pay me for my experience so it doesn't take time
@@boom5732 they said that...
“I can do things two of three ways, fast, good, cheap. Pick any combination of two.”
Always liked this one, because it makes sense, it's based on reality:
Fast & Good = Expensive
Fast & Cheap = Bad [quality]
Good & Cheap = Slow [production/service]
Yeah but it can't be fast and cheap. Quality takes time. You have to always choose between quality and quantity. If you expect both, your a moron
@@TheEstafista Quality is whatever satisfy the client. If fast and cheap gets what he wanted, than it is top notch quality.
@@Alkis05it can be bad. Me fixing your leaking pipes in 10 minutes using cheap materials that will break the next day is NOT top notch quality.
I did what you wanted (fix the leaking pipe), but it's not of high enough quality to last a long time
@@bansheeharlowe1226 Yes, it can be bad. I think you missed the part where I said:
Quality is defined by the satisfaction of the client. I won't be satisfied if something breaks the next day you supposedly fixed. In fact, I expect now that you will fix it without me paying you again.
Also, doing it cheap doesn't mean I want you to use substandard materials that can't possibly work.
I will give you an example that is always mentioned in engineering circles:
A toothpaste factory had a problem. Some of the toothpaste tubes were not filling up and they need to remove the anomalies from the factory line. A bunch of skillful engineers started designing a system with robotic arms and object recognition algorithms to detect and separate the tubes.
Meanwhile, some of the workers put a strong ventilator so the unfilled tubes, which were lighter, were just blown out.
In the end, both would eventually solved the problem, but one was cheaper and faster to deploy.
I've worked with too many people who've said "why rush? We get paid hourly"
I struggle with this in business. A local businessman hired me to do a job and negotiated on a low price by the hour because he was going to keep me busy with steady work. On top of taxes and drive time I started slacking off and dragging my feet because if I were to do it fast and efficient like a professional that knows his business will get punished for less hours worked. It's hard to get around the whole "I want to know your hourly rate". In the automotive repair/body industry, they standardized hourly rates so everyone gets about the same. This is so one shop doesn't get ripped off while another rips off customers.
As a mechanic, I hate this. "But, It only took you 10 minutes." "YA! That's why you brought it to ME."
Get over yourself, shlomo. It was brought to you because the other shops were full.
But did you do anything or did you create a problem to create a repeat customer?
@@Murderface666 This is the assumption that all people have with every mechanic regardless of time or skill.
If he took a long time to do it you'd say the same thing and still pay the same rate.
Your exactly what the video goes against. If your car works after it had trouble in a short time you should pay more than if it took a long time to fix.
I have the same dilemma, for electrical work (electrician here).
It took you 10 minutes to fix it, but it took 10 years to figure out how to fix it in 10 minutes.
I know someone who opted to pay a contactor hourly instead of a flat rate for some odd jobs with the intention that there would be people around to help the contractor. Nobody was around to help and she kept adding small tasks for the contractor. She was shocked when the first bill from the contractor was more than the flat rate quote and the bulk of the work still wasn't complete.
From what I am seeing logically a Flat rate is good if your scheduling up services that need to be done or something that you want that have a complicated list of steps and can have a variable time but have a defined end goal. The worker in question is awarded in speed as the faster they do it the faster they get paid.
But Hourly rate is good if your wanting something upkept by a worker like a retail employee for example basically something with no destined end goal but something that needs to be kept up so your paid by the hour to keep it up. As I don't see how a flat rate can be applied to things that have no defined end where the goal is to just keep doing it. So you would be forced to use a time based payment model for such a case. 🤔
If you're a contractor you'd have to be out of your mind to agree to work on an hourly basis instead of the standard estimation/bid method.
I know a restaurant repairman who explained this to me about thier service call/charge.
He spent years, years learning the ins and outs of the machines,
So when he first comes in, he is seeing what is needed (everything breaks diffrent)
So he charges 75 just for dio, just to arrive. And is there less than 30 mins.
Seen few comps be upset to pay, for 30 mins.
And he explained to em. "Look, if you go hire another guy, go for it. Itll take him 2 to 3 hours, to figured this is where the issue is. And youll charge him couple hundred for those 3 hrs.
Where for me, your paying for my years doing this, i found the issue fast, now we can move one to repairing. And ill repair fast too, where whoever will take a while."
In short, your oaying that price for thier 'time' they took to gain the xp to do what they do at the efficiency they do.
It's a compelling argument. Artists spend so much time and effort to get at level that they can produce very quickly.
An excavation contractor I know was hired to clean up a huge brush pile; he showed up with several trucks and an excavator with a HUGE claw attachment he had built. After unloading, it took him about ten minutes to load the pile into the trucks, because the claw could get so much in one bite. The client said he wasn't paying the agreed amount because "I didn't think you'd get it done so fast". My buddy immediately started unloading the trucks and putting the brush back where he found it. "Wait, stop, what are you doing??" "You just said the job wasn't worth $X to you anymore, so I'm putting your brush back and you can hire someone else." 😎
Love it!!
Man, as someone who's stuck at work almost all the time and gets maybe a few hours to be able to work on things on his days off, this is the kind of contractor I'd want. Shows up, does the work quickly, asks for his payment, stays on contact in case there's future work.
Don't burn the contractors, man, it's not worth it! >:(
Did the client end up paying the agreed amount? what a douche
@@xenostim Yes, they backtracked in a hurry and agreed the work was worth $X whether it took all day by hand or ten minutes with specialized equipment.
I would have scattered it.
This is why you have a lot of workers who don’t do squat at their jobs. They get more work when they do their work quickly. It’s a model of punishment as the guy says. I was the boss of a crew for awhile and I told them that I don’t care what they do with their extra time as long as their work was done. That was the most efficient crew I’ve ever seen.
I used a similar tactic on a team I managed. Despite an increase in efficiency, my anally-retentive boss was so incensed at employees getting "something for nothing" he fired me and happily settled for lower efficiency.
We had a similar situation at one site when I worked security. We had 5 buildings between 2 patrollers and 2 desk employees. The patrols were difficult to get done in time, but as long as they got DONE with us making all the tag markers and such, we could hang out and relax in the back room as long as we responded to calls from the desk. It sounds weird, but the client said we were the most productive team they've had XD
Then you fail to understand your job title and or description of it. That's like a manager saying "Ok I'm done with everything today"...Everything? no possible way. And even if, you're legally obligated to get paid for any extra work done...if you have a legal job.
Not many jobs would let this slide, and it would be known most businesses have a certain clock in or clock out time. If not, they have a time when their business closes. Otherwise, they are a yearly/salary employee. I can’t think of many jobs that would let you work muuuch longer hours for the same result as just a few hours. Not off the top of my head.
@@vandalg282yeah what job could allow this without the business knowing or finding out they’re paying you longer/more than other workers for the same result.
In the story of how "Handel's Messiah" was written it was a similar issue.
A successful farmer saved up his money, assembled the scriptures for this piece and hired Handel. Handel whipped together the music in record time and gave it to the farmer. The farmer had spent a lot of money and was concerned that Handel did not take the contract very seriously. He eventually warmed up to the piece and shared it with the world.
That's a real father. What a man. I felt this right in the heart
‘If I only had one hour to chop down a tree, I would spend the first 45 minutes sharpening my axe.’
-Abraham Lincoln.
I like that
Well said
If only he was better at properly keeping his tools he wouldn't need 45 minutes to sharpen his axe.
@@taniksusu4034 Maybe it wasn't meant to be taken literally?
tf does that have to do with anything 💀
That’s why you pay an artist for the commission. Not a salary. We’ve known about this since the dark ages
All financial seminars gurus are kinda grifters… they are just selling themselves, they don’t teach anything new that you can’t get for free.
Let’s be real if he or anybody else had financial secrets, they’d keep it to themselves and be super wealthy
not a lot of people understand that.
Many don’t know about this, from both sides of the fence. I’m an artist myself and didn’t know how to charge commissions. This video helped me aplenty.
Thank you!
that's why it's called a commission. when it comes to one time things, you don't pay someone for his work, you commission him for a result.
I'm a small business owner. I never charge my customer by the hour. I have a minimum base rate, or I charge by the individual job. After 20+ years of working my business, I've become very efficient. It doesn't matter if it takes me a day or a week. My price is my price.
"Charging me by an hour, punishes me for being good" 🤔
I understand now.
Yes!
The customer hates feeling like “oh wow I could’ve done that myself in 5 minutes!” But reality is that they don’t have the behind the scenes wisdom to do it in 5
Yes it's 5-10years of experience learning hard work.
Yea they do
Yeah I just became a diesel mechanic and It opened my eyes to how dumb I was and everyone is
@@krackedbeats5947 the heck is a diesel
@@krackedbeats5947I’m thinking of getting into a more physical job. How long did it take you to get educated?
My dad was a sign painter. (As am I) He did a sign for a doctor's office in about 2 hours and charged x amount of money I don't know how much it was cuz it was back in the '70s. When my dad went to collect the doctor didn't want to pay him the amount agreed upon because he said my dad did the sign too quickly, and that the doctor said "I don't even make that much money per hour" And my dad told him maybe he should quit being a doctor and start painting signs. Ultimately my dad was paid.
Haha. Good come back.
I was a sign painter and similarly used to charge a rate for the job. It was my problem how long it took to do the job and sometimes it worked for me and times against me. I had some clients challenge me when I was faster than expected as they valued time not output.
I see people in work every day drag out their work to fill their hours as we value time not output. It's totally inefficient and illogical but it's the way that the working week operates. Also why would you work faster as then your boss would ask why your standing around or they would punish you and put extra work on you and then the lazy person is laughing at you being so nieve. In fairness it's different if your self employed.
having done a lot of odds and ends jobs for both rich and poor people. i just give them the option.
if you want this porch painted today and you want a one man crew. ill do a flat price, make an offer.
if you want it to look nice, ill do it by the hour with a cap on paid hours. so if i go over the estimated hours, its on me.
I know people who charge by the job, but sort of have a few going at the same time. In that sense, they can let a finished product lay fallow while they work on other stuff. Being efficient and satisfying the customer at the same time
I spent ten years at a newspaper. One year a new salesperson came in. He killed his sales goal clearing all the metrics and maximizing his bonus scale. They called him into a meeting to give him his bonus check and tell him his new, higher sales targets. He put in his two weeks notice. They asked “Why?” He explained that he had squeezed the market as much as it would give just to hit the current goals and there was no way he could ever hit the new goals, so why would he take a cut in his compensation? It was more beneficial for him to move to a new market with more reasonable goals so that he could maximize his earnings.
Business always think they are incentivizing one thing and nearly always fail to realize the other behaviors they are incentivizing.
I always tell people that I've been an IT professional for 20 years. When I do consulting, you're not paying me for the hours, you're paying for the years.
You right there exposed the whole consulting business model.
It's not exactly a secret why consultant services are generally very expensive, and does not necessarily provide a lot of value. But it sure provides a lot of pages and nice graphics and graphs and charts.
Yep - it's all a big con. Some people are just so gullible
Thats every business modal. Why you think road construction takes so long?
@@hen-rexcompanies hire consultants because they can push the blame somewhere else. No one gets mad at you when you pay IBM $10M and get nowhere, BUT if they pay you $300k to handle it internally with your own team and things don’t happen, now it’s a problem.
@@stonep11Braindead take. Companies hire consultants because sometimes problems arise that require experts you don’t already have on staff. Sometimes they get ripped off but that doesn’t make all of consulting a ripoff. Also in your scenario no blame is passed. Consultants don’t make decisions for companies, they consult, and the liability falls on the one making the decision. Also yeah, people do get mad when you spend $10M when you could have spent $300k.
As a software engineer, I've learned to always value my work by the value of my work, not the time it takes to create.
As a software engineer i just want to have a nice life in the farm somewhere.
always prefer a stable branch that took 10 hours then one shitty fork that took a single one
Whatever makes u sleep at night, am I right ?
Some good coping right there
"Value my work by the value of my work" is meaninglessly circular.
@@daghetto101as a Cloud engineer, please tell me the address of this farm so I can join you. 😂
Its a case by case scenario
If you're working a set schedule where you can get overtime, such as in a store or manual labour, stuff like that, then Hourly is better. But others may require commissions, salary, etc.
You just have to judge it based off the project
When I was younger, I did paintless dent repair. Every once in a while I would have a customer make a comment about how it "only took you 5 minutes" and I should charge less, even though the price was agreed upon in advance. I've literally made jobs take 30 minutes that would have been done in 5-10 just to not get the complaint about me getting $150 or $200 for 10 minutes of work.
I used to be told “don’t do your work fast, pace it until you clock out”??he’s so right!
Being too efficient at a regular job only rewards you with more work at the same pay. The trick is to be just above average and very very likable/charismatic. That’s what gets you promotions and higher pay. You create an illusion of high performance without being seen as a conveyor belt of productivity they can’t lose because then their numbers as managers decrease. Your numbers won’t hurt theirs as much, and they like you so you get the promo.
@ismaeljrp1 I am an assistant manager for a warehouse, and in charge of shipping logistics for a company that houses shipments ordered by customers, but I finish my work really fast, so my boss occasionally will give me more daily tasks because I sit around so much, but its never enough on slow days, and way too much on fast days.
There has not been a raise for my workload being increased.
@@archae10 you gotta show more value two levels up. So the one you want knowing your name is the guy above your boss. You are your bosses assistant, of course he’d want to keep it that way. From HR perspective it can become tricky if an employee creeps up the salary ladder too much without a title upgrade as well. It is political. Sounds like you need to be at that next level but this may not be the right place for you to do so.
@@ismaeljrp1 We work in a small company. My boss is the CEO, Founder, and HR
@@ismaeljrp1 : Oh..... so basically... cos it is an actual project.. if he wants to earn the company more money, he needs to be super sure, about that specific design... and not to be out of touch... and it has to be refined several times... etc etc etc....
"I'm being punished for being efficient" - every corporate employee ever.
That's not fully correct however, because by finishing your work faster it means you have more time to do more work being extra productive or saving time for a break
@@kylelucien7632 or you could slack off. Don’t the same amount of work and getting paid more
@@kylelucien7632hahahaha, extra productive, that’s when they load you up with responsibility and the pay grade doesn’t change
@@kylelucien7632 and you get payed the same as someone taking their time… this is why the younger generations are starting to have problems with employers.
Because it is true.
good job bro, explained well, most of the clients don't understand this and start arguing
I’ve been a interior trim contractor for over 30 years , I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve had this conversation with people if it takes a long time for someone to do something means inexperienced . Period
One of my art design professors used to tell us that we aren't paid for our time, we're paid for the knowledge and skills we've developed.
Sounds like an art teacher. Lol. Not saying it's wrong just sounds like "creative person" logic. I'm a musician so I do understand. It just sounds funny cause I've also worked hourly jobs .
Works fine except art teacher considers themselves the exception.
'Yeah it's okay not to make money it's for experience. Now pay me' 😂😂
and thats why i rather use ai
@@Eddneton94 Because you don't value art, the artist, or the talent.
@@lessonslearned2569 you are 100% right.
i only value the end result not the hoops they took to get there.
This is how old school management in any industry or job approaches their direct reports. We are expected to work and be onsite 40+ hours a week to earn our keep, but if we finish our work faster and leave earlier, we are "lazy" and not meeting our hours. If we reveal that we work faster, we are expected to work even more. The incentive structure never makes sense but most managers (and business owners) are unable to comprehend this.
The only bad review I got in 18 years at my current company was from a manager like this. She never saw my name on the production issues board because I had a really good turn around time, 8 days faster than any one else in the dept. But since my name wasn't on the board I was "lazy". The next year I just stopped closing out my issues in a timely manner, I would let them sit there for a week or two then close them out. That same manager gave me an exceeds expectations review that year when in reality all I did was become a worse employee.
Then work a job that pays by completion or commission.
That's also what raises are for.
Yup, learned early on that working faster just mean your boss will expect you to do more work, all the time.
The problem is college education. They go to school and can't think outside the box
I tried explaining this to my boss once. I had a job that could literally be wrapped up in a few hours a day tops. But they INSISTED I had to be there 8 to 5 every single weekday.
I LOATHE having to sit and run out a clock. It s a colossal waste of my time.
Back when I used to work a 9 - 5 fresh out of highschool, I had a really cool boss. I got all my work done within the first two hours, and there was never anything left for me to do, so he would just let me goof off for the rest of my shift. When I first started working there, everyone including him kept telling me to slow down, otherwise I would have nothing to do for the rest of the day. But I never listened. I just kept working at a good pace until everything was done. He eventually got used to it and just adapted to me. He also fired two people because I was doing all the work and they had nothing to do.
As someone who does photography for a living. This is 100% accurate. I can take the photos you wanted in 15 minutes. But clients pay for hourly sessions. If I told someone 300$ for 15 minutes, I wouldn’t have a business, despite being able to get what I needed done.
Don’t do hourly. Charge for a certain number of looks/outfit changes.
3 looks $300
5 looks $500
Etc.
@@24djparker this is the way. i did this for car photography as well.
@@24djparker you should 100% charge hourly. 3 looks could take 6 hours. Then on top of it editing time. Plus how would you charge a wedding if not by the hour? Tbh your way is an easy way to underpay yourself.
@@josephflannery9015 completely agree with you, I used to record drone videos which wouldn't take too long, so I charged by the job, your job takes longer, so those six hours it took you to take those photos you'll be payed say one hundred dollars per hour guaranteed
this why certain job need specific paid
not all work have same way to be charged
“You’re paying for my experience, not my time”
Paying for the years not the minutes
Lol okay. More like artificially inflating the value of your service because of what you did years ago.
@@charliebakerspen If you have more experience in a particular field, you have more incentive to be hired, meaning you can charge more for your services. Are you gonna pay fresh out of school bachelor the same as the person who has 10 years of experience in that field?
@@leovang3425If they are doing the exact same job, with the exact same responsibilities & performance target, then yes, the workers should be paid the same.
If you could do it, you wouldn't be paying for it. Whatever the service is. @@charliebakerspen
For about 10 years, I've charged clients for value of deliverable, never value of time. I ask them: How much is having a good logo worth for your organization? Is your organization worth a $200 logo anyone could design or $15k logo only I can do? They rarely fight this approach.
In this context it can work, as an outside contractor. But for permanent employee, hourly rate is wear it's at.
A designer is someone who studied 13 years to create something great in 10 seconds
You said it so eloquently. This lady tried to hire my mom, and when my mom told her her rate, she said it wouldn't fit her budget but she can't get someone else so my mom has to negotiate. My mom asked her why she should prioritize the ladies budget over her own, and she couldn't reply.
@@12Kyra121 Fighting small uneducated business owners about how I've got an MA in brand identity from UAL I know stuff better than you has become my second job at this point. Wanting to pay me 10 pound an hour because my "fees are too high" is just shameful to me at this point.
13 years of education!?
You guys must be joking, not even a medical specialist takes that much, you designers live in a bubble, we have logos that were created by unskilled people that until this day exist after decades.
@@k4ba I have an MA in brand identity from UAL and BSC in marketing from Northumbria you have a problem with that.
Also branding is 400 other things apart from a logo. The fact you think that proves your inexperience with any of this.
@@lonelyone69 that's credentialism, a piece of paper doesn't guarantee skill or knowledge. 13 years could mean you've worked in the field and gathered experience and honed your expertise.
You don't pay for a designer's time to create a good logo, you are paying for the experience needed to create a good logo.
Good logo (or design in general) doesn't require a lot of experience. It requires creativity; that's what's valuable
@@brixan... no?
@@brixan... creativity is a skill that can be developed.
@@PJJHydo of course
Yep same for any professional, you are paying for their experience and time to be able to do the right task for you at the right time. Same for Designer, Lawyers or engineers and consultants
It depends on timescale.
If a service provider comes to me and says "I'm so amazing I'll get this done in a week for 10k", and someone else says "I'm amazing and I'm going to take my time to make sure you get the best deliverable, it will take 3 weeks and cost 10k".
I will go with the second option every time.
If we start stretching the time out and it's 3 months v 6 months then the time value becomes greater, provided I believe it is actually doable to get a high quality deliverable in the 3 months.
THIS! Right here! This is exactly what I’ve tried to verbalize for years.
People don’t understand the “value of experience” has a cost
Well, the problem is that it's hard to evaluate how much is it worth actually worth. The truth is that it's impossible to evaluate properly since we put a value on it. Why some designers work supposed to cost thousands when in theory random design student should be able to do the same?
Yes more experience, larger hourly rate - its that simple
Engineer and the chalk mark
@@N4chtigall its not experience that really matter its the result. you might have all the experience but if you are a shitty worker the result might actually still be crap. Demand regulates the result not the labor. Demand sets the price for the quality and availability of your work. while experience allows efficiency and more profit. but it will only translate if you use that efficiency to bolster quality as well.
@@romeoneverdies I was going to say that the top level comment was worded poorly. I think the key word would be "expertise." and thus it'd be clearer if it was, "expertise has a cost" so that's why the hourly rate would be higher. Also the point you make about what would be called industriousness/conscientiousness (working hard).
On the subject of experience (just rambling here): most people measure experience in years/time (which, of course, it, along with anything else related to improvement and skill development, is corelated quite highly), but it's clear that some people learn faster than others so, aside from increasing the liklihood of encountering rare events, experience itself is a unit (or at least is not measured in time) and a person's experience would be calculated with a multivariate function where only one of the arguments is time (not saying that function is easy to define, just that experience is a much more complicated concept that merely the time someone has spent doing it).
Again just rambling here.
My dad was an mechanical engineer and would design on the side for additional income. He would always give an estimate up front. He had two types of clients, those who would say “okay” and talk shop, and those who would exclaim “I could find someone cheaper!”. He would respond, “you sure can, especially if you hire one of my students”, and walk away from the deal. I didn’t understand until I, as a student, took a dev job making almost nothing for a project I was under qualified with an realist turnaround time for my skill set and almost zero budget.
Some business owners do not value their own product or respect your time or effort. The more experienced you get, the quicker you spot those types.
I only gave you a thumbs up cuz I couldn't give you five. Spot-on assessment of reality.
@@brownstonecustomcabinetry5309 Don't worry I gave him a thumbs up too, you can call it one of yours. So you have given 2 now.
@@Anonymous-pv7ob make it 3
@@brownstonecustomcabinetry5309 you can have mine too, so you just need one more
@@brownstonecustomcabinetry5309 I'm here to fill you up... I mean filled in for the fifth thumbs-up
$18,000 for a logo is ridiculous. I went on logo tournament and ended up working with a great designer who came up with my corporate logo that I’ve been using now successfully for almost 18 years.
I'm a tradesman. (Electrician) The thing is competition. If you can do the job faster, more efficiently and better than your competitor you will get the job over your competitor and your slower less efficient competitor will get nothing as they won't get the job. It also depends on the job. Some jobs require skills that others don't have. These can take longer and be charged accordingly and the client is usually happy to pay more for a solution to a difficult problem.
My father used to say; "Give 100% when you are work. But unless they give you a raise *never* do 110%."
thats dumb you cant do more than 100% of anything lol
How about 85%, and I keep busy
📝
You gotta be willing to do more than youre paid so you can justify them paying you more.
@@matthewalejandro6232 I think his father's a communist
to be realistic, given how low employee rates are vs business owner rates.
An employee should really only be putting in 20% maybe 15% effort and then work harder if you get more from there.
it's even crazy to put in 100% effort for 20% pay
You're paying for quality and talent. Not the hours.
Also incentives and bonus for a task exists
i could not care less. i want a product that i deem worth it to me. i don't give a dam who makes it or how long it took to make
EXACTLY!!!! Thank you!!!!! Bad bosses/managers cannot get their minds around this concept and it is why they are always loosing key talent and experience because the bosses/managing morons only care about time and just the dollar amount it coat them. Warren Buffet: “Know the difference between what something costs and what something is worth.” It is cost versus value.
@@inigobantok1579 This exactly. The responsible way to do a logo contract is something like "I'm paying you 20,000 dollars. Workshop me at least 5 samples based on some parameters I'll give you, then I'll choose the one I want the most, and you finalize it. You will get another bonus 5,000 dollars if you workshop me 10 samples instead of 5, but this is optional. Get this done in X months time."
Artist will either say "deal" or negotiate if there's some wiggle room.
BOOM. Contract complete. Job-based pay for a single-instance based product, bonuses included for extra effort, etc. Also deadlines instead of "hours". "Get this done in 5 months" does not necessarily mean "take 5 months to make it", if you're good you can finish in a fraction of that time. Issue is, a lot of artists think they can get away with asking for hourly rates for single instance jobs, and a lot of businesses dont know any better.
Hourly pay for instance-jobs is dumb and needs to die for the good of *both* sides of the transaction.
@@victorhopper6774 That's sound dumb ...you not making sense. If you want a product that is worth it to you you'd get the best person for the job... so you could have actual profit..if you just get anyone it will come off as less valuable and would have went over the intended dead line...????
I've been saying this for years... Most of the best efficient workers are punished for their skills, by given more work then their colleagues. This Creates resentment, and ultimately the loss of the employee. If the mind set was different and the person was rewarded it would encourage and inspire others to do the same. We live in a counterproductive society.
It's just like the story about the woman who approached Picasso in a restaurant, asked him to scribble something on a napkin, and said she would be happy to pay whatever he felt it was worth. Picasso complied and then said, “That will be $10,000.”
“But you did that in thirty seconds,” the astonished woman replied.
“No,” Picasso said. “It has taken me forty years to do that.”
Yeah, but most of the time, if one works very fast on piece rate, and if the bosses notice it, they will just add more to your work for the same pay. You will still get punished for working fast. The whole system is messed up.
My dad worked in a sofa manufacturer before retiring, and they had two systems. One was hourly, the other was by piece. So my dad was making close to 6 figures because he worked fast
Not necessarily. There's no good way to pay a mcdonalds cashier by the job they're doing. There just aren't enough managers so they kinda have to do a lot of jobs as hourly pay
Thats when tou slow down to remind them that they either pay for more service or you dont do the service, jobs are everywhere people stop acting like you can only have one your entire life.
This happens to me at my job ALL THE TIME
Showing competence in a corporate job does nothing but get you more uncompensated work. I wish it was not this way but they really do punish any kind of initiative.
It's not the time, it's the result that matters
I wish that's the case. I could finish a whole week of work in 2 days but the won't pay me for the rest of the week because I wasn't present.
If I'm being paid by the hour, the time matters very very much.
100% @@mrdude88
the result? uhmm... so an airplane ticket should be cost the same as a bus ticket. i mean they're all going to the same place? 🤷🏻♂️ see... that's not quite the logic isn't it 😊
what you buy there is time, one only take you an hour or two, the other took you a day or two, with the same result, going to point a to point b.
so in this case, the faster your logo(brand) is finished, the faster you start on (marketing or advertising) your business. yes?
Let the others continue being paid by hours. You can always do it fast and deliver it later man. Not all the persons have the same skills and you are punishing others for not being so "brilliant" as you when you can be smarter and deliver later while you do other stuff and you have more free paid time.
This is exactly what my stepdad told me.
" I could hang a door in 15-20 minutes and get $15 an hour and charge for one hour. Or i could charge $100 to do the same job in 15-20 minutes"
Miss that man 😞
I’ve always said getting paid for production is better than by the hour.
It promotes efficiency and diligence
and weeds out slackers.
I got into an argument with a supervisor i worked for over this. We were minimum wage and told that once we finish our project we would go home. So some people started working faster. They got mad at me for working slower. I told them that unless i got paid for my full shift, why would i work faster to get paid less?
You’re right in those situations this won’t work.
so instead of being paid for the hour, have a contract job and you can finish as fast or as slow as you want.
Yup
Some people just want to finish a project and then jump to the next project to get paid again.. just because you’re slow doesn’t mean everyone has to be affected by it. Get a contract job or salary job. Otherwise stfu.
@@jesusdrz9620this is why the job market is declining and tanking in most things bc people are tired of that type of 💩 attitude like you got.
That’s exactly what I’ve tried to explain to people and the response is usually the same. “Why are you charging me $400 for a job that took you 3 hrs!?!?”
You charge by the job and now have an incentive to do it correctly the first time and quickly.
Because it would take our inexperienced asses forever to do what you do in 3 hours 😅
Plus, if I'm hiring out for a job, chances are that the company has all the tools and experience that I don't have. I might be able to paint my home on my own (for example) and save $400... but it's going to cost more than that in the materials and mistakes that I'm going to make. Good tradespeople are worth their weight!
Because the service is worth $133.33/hour😃...demand vs supply
My husband is a mechanic and they have a book that tells them how long on average the job will take and per hour charges. If they take less time they still get the money for that rate if they take longer it’s the same. Efficiency and knowledge matter.
this applies to hourly employees too. if you actually made a commission on your service job, you would extract a much larger rate when your busy and working hard
I love how he is interactive rather than just saying what it is - great way to learn
Thank you
@@thefuturscripted af
@@4doorsmorewhors scripted or not it’s still educative
Do you even need a live teacher in the classroom, if he isn't going to be interactive?
If all you are doing is reciting a canned speech, then you can just distribute a text book and a DVD, or put it all on a website.
@@KevinSproul that's what I'm saying it's so dumb
That’s why i don’t do hourly rates. I just tell the customer how much it’ll cost, and then I do it as efficiently as possible.
Like every business does. That's why this analogy is stupid.
@@nekad2000 in my line of work, most people charge hourly rates. I think it’s stupid because it wastes mine and the customers time.
What type of industry are you in?@@ModestPigeone
I tell them they can either pay by the job or by the hour. They cost the same in the end, but one will get done a lot faster.
@@ModestPigeone What line of work are you in?
This video is correct in pointing out that the method of payment should be different depending on the job.
A single focus or commission based job makes sense to be set salary where as workers with multiple responsibilities taking place over an extended period make sense to be hourly.
Wow this gave me alot of insight on how to conduct a consultation business mind just leveled up
Bro deconstructed his whole argument respectfully you love to see it
At amazon i used to get paid my full 10 hour shifts paid even if i finished 2-3 hours early. After some months they would start giving me extra work since i was done early until i completed my 10 hours so i started slowing down waaaaaay more
I had the same job, I told them straight up I wasn’t going to help other people at the end of my shifts. Why would I be punished for working faster
How do u finish shift work early?
I thought u had to do ur hrs no matter what.
@@intergalacticdegengypsy6135it depends what your responsibilities are because they probably are not needed every minute of the day if they get a certain task completed before closing or scheduled time out
Did you ever finish early after slowing down or do you just get less work but take all day every day? I work for Amazon too
How do you finish? This sounds like BS
Do you want it done right, or do you want it done right now?
It really IS that simple
ALL INDIE ARTISTS LISTEN TO THIS. DON'T CHARGE HOURLY ON UR WORK, ESPECIALLY AS U GROW AND GAIN MORE SKILL.
I'm a freelance translator and had exactly this! I did the job in 2 weeks when the allocated time was a month, and it was charged per hour. So i nthe end people dragging their feet and doing 3 words per day and procrastinating would get twice the money I did, instead of the business paying me twice as much for doing the job fast and WELL. I was being punished for being efficient. So I also started telling people I worked on things more than I did.
congratulations. you have now learned how everyone works
Then charge for the job and not the time.
Im a spray paint artist on the side, i dont charge for my hours i charge for the piece of art, if it takes a day or a week they paying for the product not for the hours.
Freelance translators here paid by words or pages and every niche is different (law, health, academia). By hours sounds so counterintuitive. It's idiotic.
@@sazanaviThe problem with paying translators by word count is that you're encouraging them to do everything as quickly as possible so that they can make more money in less time regardless of the actual quality of the translation (so long as it's not downright unacceptable). The fact that their work is numerically quantifiable is, somewhat counterintuitively, a bad thing for them. If they were illustrators or composers, they could just go _"yeah so this is what my work looks like, it'll cost you X to get something like this",_ but as a translator, you often can't show off your work, and businesses only care about the numbers, so you either learn to prioritize speed over quality or you're stuck with a hourly wage that may not satisfy your needs. It's like being caught between a rock and a hard place.
@@Zakakerperhaps have someone evaluate their work, like a quality checker or something? I think that would help
I do handiwork with a group of subcontractors. I make $15 more an hour than most everyone because of this. Knowing how and being effeciant at your job should be rewarded. Thats why i could never have a desk job.
One thing business owners learned during COVID was we were getting more production out of our employees when we allowed them to work from home and didn’t have them clock in and out at the office. When you take the concept of time away from employees, and pay them for their output and not actual time spent working, the results are; better quality work, faster and efficient results, and fewer mistakes. People tend to goof off online and waste time when they know they can’t get “off work” until 5:00 anyway.
I like how he takes this guy's own logic and shows him that first he wants to pay more for it to take longer, then he wants to pay more for it to take less time.
That’s the art of argument.
In the end he was reasoning poorly. He wants the product to be good. But if someone delivers a product in half an hour, regardless of how good it is, it's easy to feel cheated, or as if the artist didn't really put in the effort.
Even as a professional, a good design should take more than that. So there are lower and upper bounds to the "time" argument.
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@@SeraphsWitness depends. I used to do service work as a plumber. I fixed countless issues in under 5 minutes simply because something was slightly loose and just needed to be tightened. While not a log designer, the concept is the same. You don’t pay for just the time a person spends on a project. You also pay for the experience that person has. Someone with logo design experience likely has templates to start off of or has the experience in software to burn through the process while still providing the same level of work. But the “customers” logic in this video was that he should be paying by the hour and the job at the same time. You either pay by the job or by the hour for services like logo design. As the presenter proves, the customer doesn’t like it when he says that he could say it took 4 months for double the amount with the reason that he worked hard on it because he would find someone that does it faster. So the customer proved his own argument was flawed as soon as he claimed that. I’ve seen people design crazy things in just a few days since they have the knowledge and skill to design parts that quickly.
@@SeraphsWitness yeah but it shouldn't be about how you feel just because you base you expectations on dumb ideas. The fact that people get paid on the hour instead of quality of work is a huge problems in a lot fields. It just incentivises sluggish working