The Stonewall You Know Is a Myth. And That’s O.K. | NYT Celebrating Pride
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- "Who threw the first brick at Stonewall?” has become a rallying cry, a cliche and a queer inside joke on the internet - never mind the fact that it’s not clear whether bricks were ever thrown during the riots at all.
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Maybe the real first brickthrower was the friends we made along the way
Woah dude that's deep
Is this a "Good Place" reference? I so hope it is.
PunkCheerleaderBetch Its from an 80s movie, but it was also in The Good Place. Go on KnowYourMeme and look up “The real treasure”
or maybe a time traveler
@@amellirizarry9503 or maybe just Michael Jackson
I did not expect the Rockets-style kick line to be the most historically accurate part of the story
Honestly same
Unexpected, but inspiring.
+
Weirdly, I kind of did. :)
David Lee this made me giggle. Love this comment
The problem is one person can’t start a riot, who threw the first brick doesn’t matter because there needs to be a second brick and then another it was all of them together
This needs to be heard, period. We need to remember to share credit, but a failure to share credit does not create a debt for the full credit of our community to black or trans LGBT. We are not going to allow vengeful revisionism, and this is going to force us to fall back on allowing racism just to prevent the undue theft of our history.
love this statement, thank you !
well said
Yes, I feel like that's the whole point.
@Leo Xx Why so mad?
Can we call the unknown first brick thrower a.... *Stone Butch?*
That joke rocks.
🙌
@sskhan booooo
*yes*
Butch queen
The man in pick glasses realizing 50 years after the fact that the song follows the toon of It's Howdy Doody time is my favorite part
@Barndancer61 same tune
What?!?!?!!?!
That’s Mark Segal, and he’s part of the LGBT pantheon of Pennsylvania.
Same ngl
"if people start telling stories not as they were, but as they would like them to be, that procedure can be used by anyone for any purpose."
Amazing
Gavin McCormick All day, every day. Last year, this year, next year. That’s why they’re called “stories”. LOL I really wish the LGBTQ+ community had a better collection of its history.
It’s a sad truth, but yeah, it’s especially true if it’s something that people want to hear, making it more believable to them.
Yes that was good.
Hey. It worked for the Bible..... 🤷🏽♂️
@@Alusnovalotus, you mean the Quran?
"If we are demanding that our history be respected, then we have to respect it ourselves"
PREACH 👏
Yeah no those words mean so little to me
@@epicfortnitegamer6325 okay? wtf 💀
👍
We will never know who threw the first brick. What we do know by everyone's account is that Marsha and Sylvia gave their lives fighting for LGBT+ rights. That's more than enough to celebrate them and to be thankful for their sacrifice.
We should absolutely celebrate them, but we should also honor the debated butch lesbian that sparked it all, all too often lesbians are excluded from lgbtq history.
white people are too busy throwing bricks at them.
And what Storme didn't?
Marsha, Sylvia, Stormé... it doesn't matter who started the fight, what matters is who kept fighting, that day and for years to come. All 3 of them (along with many many others) deserve our respect and recognition.
Im really stupid whis marsha and sylvia
dobby threw the first brick at stonewall
-jk rowling probably
@@TwentyNineJP a wet sock
@@jakobrzwiebel a smelly wet sock
"Dobby had a intense sexual relationship with the Stonewall Bar" - Jk Rowling
Dobby would never! He threw a vibrator in Dumbledore... who just happened to be near the police while Snape through shade
-JK Rowling
Omg lol
“I guess I was more of a stone guy” lmao
Id rather throw stones than bricks!
Are you saying Drunk History lied to me?!
Yeah they tend to show the most popular or interesting narrative instead of the most accurate, which is fine for entertainment, not for educatuon
God of Beans-also they’re drunk
Drunk history doesn't really do nuance, grey areas, or controversial narratives. It's funny and is good for introducing people to obscure parts of history. It rarely goes against the popular cultures/liberal view of history though so I wouldn't form an opinion on an event/person purely on the shows portrayal.
Yup
Yup. Plus accounts of the night said Marsha wasn't even in full drag that night.
I'm doing a presentation on Stonewall and it's ridiculous how many untrue statements and unimportant false details there are.
Please let us know what they are or better yet, give us a way to look at your presentation. Thanks.
There were lot of false details and it was sometimes provided by those who lied about being there (Sylvia, Miss Major) or who may or may not have been the butch lesbian who punched the cop (Storme). Most were adamant that Marsha was there both nights but the shot glass thing didn't happen because she had just come from a party uptown at Bryant Park with Sylvia (Sylvia didn't go to the Stonewall on either the first or second night because she was seeking and shooting up heroin).
@gray73 Im trying to research more on this, wheres this interview?
@gray73 So?
@@alalalala57 how about not mixing a dressing choice with gender?
“No there was not A kick line at Stonewall, there were MANY.” 😂😂😂 why have I never heard of any of these kick lines???
Best quote in the entire vid lmao
“We had a BIG jar of Vaseline on the float.”
😭😂iconic loool
@Pink Grape to use it as a lubricant during intercourse lol.
@flower meadows But Vaseline might break latex condoms, a water-based one will be suitable, just so you know.
@@leventpasaoglu3515 Condoms? 🤮🤮🤮
I never understood the connection between Judy Garland's death and Stonewall. Maybe because there never was one.
justcallme... I had never heard it before this video
Like the one guy said in the video some people had been to the funeral. I'm sure that was sad for those fans. Was it the cause or the main motivating factor? No, of course not but for some it just added to the overall emotion of the evening. Sylvia Rivera herself said as much.
The myth makes more sense if you know that judy was an avid supporter of the lgbt community
Judy Garland was a big ally. Think how many people in the community would feel if Lady Gaga died. There's even rumors that she was bi but I've never seen evidence of that.
@Olive
“Some actress”?
SOME ACTRESS??!!
Heretic.
That slight shade thrown at Tyler Oakley lmao 02:27
anthony marquez but it was a dUmP
I dunno if it was really shade. They showed a lot of clips of people, famous and otherwise, regurgitating the inaccurate narrative around Stonewall. Tyler was just doing what so many others do: believing the narrative to be accurate and reiterating it.
James Bradford you’re right, I was just making a funny comment
THIS was the comment i was looking for i was thinking the same thing
i really appreciate this video's attention to detail. it's always disheartening to see Stormé get swept under the rug when it comes to stonewall.
@gray73 Fowler may have been the one to scream at the crowd to "do something". Storme said she wasn't arrested or if they tried to, she managed to break off the cuffs and run away.
@gray73 Interesting... 🤔
@gray73 Yeah I think I read this too.
Well by eyewitness accounts the butch escaped.
Not surprising
Scarlet Johannson didn’t throw the first brick at stonewall...but she will be playing the brick in an upcoming biopic
Lol
That would require having some range
Ugh. One day bricks will be able to represent themselves on the big screen, but there’s so much stigma now.
Her range... Iconic.
Naw Jodie Turner Smith got the part of of the brick
7:42 "If people start telling stories not as they were, but as they would like them to be, that procedure can be used by anybody for any purpose"
Literally just came from hbomberguy's video about Climate Denial. Whoop there it is.
El Yule Is that really apples to apples? Climate denial is usually malicious ignorance of science and basic data i.e pulling out of the Paris Accords.
Kilian Fitzgerald I think this is exactly what he meant. If embellishing facts for a good reason is acceptable, then embellishing or lying about facts for bad reasons is acceptable. Which is the era we’ve already entered.
El Yule love hbomberguy
That was the most valuable lesson of the whole video!
Ironic since whitetubers like him are changing stories as they please
Garfield threw the first lasagna at stone wall
Garfield would never throw lasagna.
@@skyerune Thank you for your clarification in support of Garfield and his trademark meal of choice.
No Garfield threw Odie
No hun it was Garfield and Nermal of course 🐈
Garfield throw the first Jon at Stonewall
we ALL threw the first brick at stonewall
@Djek Jdje Stop throwing bricks at my temples! I have to sacrifice goats somewhere!
Maybe the real first brick was the friends we made along the way
I think we ALL know that we threw the first brick at stonewall
@@sunnysea24 I was about to comment this until I saw it had already been done! lol
- Victoria Justice
This seems to be a Boston massacre type of situation, where the myth has stayed has lasted longer than the facts.
Michael Fontana what’s the real thing ? You got a link or CZcams video I can watch
@@ryanrodriguez1234 it's really just a bunch of stuff I learned on the American revolution in school. Patriot propaganda made the Boston "massacare" seem like it was equivalent to one of the worst things in history. For a specific video though. Extra history did a good job explaining the whole situation about before and after the massacare
Michael Fontana thankfully my teacher (I live in America) didn’t exaggerate it.
Not just the Boston massacre but basically all the circumstances surrounding the American revolution
@@BarginsGalore very true. The Boston massacare just came to mind when I heard. " Who threw the first brick"
I’m just glad that stonewall happened, no matter what the actual story was. Just to see how far this community has come is amazing.
What actually happened is also important though. Let’s not dismiss it as “just glad that [it] happened”
@@nicola7021 And becomes more important with the increasing number of lies being told.
😂😂😂
@@galolito 😂😂
YOU ARE MEMBERS OF THE SATANIC ASHTAR CULT AND HER MONTH IS JUNE AND IT HAPPENED IN JUNE.
IT WAS A RITUAL😂😂
The community has come far but now they’re going too far. They’re becoming the hateful ones now.
If it wasn’t a glass it was a dirty look
I love that line
Chrysanthemum ? That is an amazing flower to pick for a name. Move over Rose, Daisy and Violet.
I'd get very tired very quickly of having to spell it out for people every single time. Nobody except gardeners know how to spell it 😂
@@christinamata3405 Has anyone ever been named Tulip? lol
As a child I read a book about a girl (well, a mouse, but it's a children's book lol) named Chysanthemum who grew up having a lot of issues with her name because it was so long. People couldn't pronounce it and it didn't fit on ID cards and stuff, but she eventually became comfortable with it, and then her music teacher named her daughter Chrysanthemum.
@@specificsoup Heyy I remember that same exact story from when I was in elementary!
How do you feel about Hyacinth?
‘There wasn’t a kick line at Stonewall....there were many kick lines at Stonewall’ is the best sentence I have ever heard
The amount of misconceptions when it comes to historical events like Stonewall is honestly not surprising. But the fact is this: regardless of who threw the first brick (metaphorically, of course) the LGBTQ+ community should be grateful to ALL who stood with the movement and recognize credit where credit is due. Marsha and Sylvia may not have started Stonewall, but they made their own contributions to the community. If Storme truly was the one to start it all, then of course she deserves recognition. If not, she still defended lesbian bars not long after Stonewall happened.
The point is they ALL contributed something, and there's no denying that.
True but we should tell the truth with history and not accept things that are wrong. And yes Marsha and Sylvia made great contributions.
@@RFDeStefano I agree. Obviously a lot of things are incorrect with the way we retell the story of Stonewall, but the problem in telling the truth of history is that many of us don't know how it exactly started. There's lots of details left out and lots of speculation. With the evidence we have now we can say it's Storme who urged the crowd to riot, but down the road we may learn it's someone else. That's what I'm trying to say with "regardless of who threw the first brick".
Not to mention I've had arguments with a lot of people who, because it was Storme and not Sylvia or Marsha, believe what we know for now is an excuse to discredit other people who fought with the movement. They even had the audacity to misgender them, especially Marsha, claiming that "they said they identified as a drag queen" without taking into account the language used back then.
Sorry if there was any confusion about my comment.
Can you TRAs stop trying to downplay our history
@@jaybird-8311 dude I don't even know what you're talking about. What exactly am I downplaying here? This comment is aimed at the people who think this new information is an excuse to say others aren't important even though they also did great things to get the community where it is today. In some cases they even use it to be bigoted against other members of the community. And tf is a TRA???
@@trashboi1286 Some audio of an interview with Marsha czcams.com/video/_kE8P9DWwRA/video.html
Toph and Aang threw the first bricks at Stonewall.
It was obviously done by earthbenders.
But still, there's no war in Ba Sing Se.
@@sundalongpatpat the earth king has invited you to lake Lao-gai
What are you talking about? There are no riots in Ba Sing Se.
i did a presentation on stonewall for my english class, and the amount of ppl that don’t know what it is is astounding, so i’m not surprised about how many misconceptions are around it
Gay by Birth. Proud by Choice.
Happy Pride Month. 🏳️🌈👭👬
To you and yours as well!! 👭💖💛💚💙💜👬
Are you sure you were born with a fully-developed sexuality, or is it more likely that it developed throughout your childhood?
@@patavinity1262 Sexual orientation is not affected by one's childhood development.
@@milhouse14 Oh yeah? How do you know that? How exactly do you test a newborn infant's sexual orientation?
@@patavinity1262 Well, you could ask any straight person and he or she would tell you that his or her childhood development did not affect his or her sexual orientation
I was not at Stonewall 50 years ago, but I turned 21 AND came out that very weekend in Chicago. Things began to change!
5:47 can we forget that movie existed already?
omk573 G A Y P O W E R
no one:
me during pride month: 5:50
@gray73 did you watch the video lol and the god awful writing totally ruins the movie
gray73 1) not everyone who participated was arrested, obviously. 2) trans people involved probably didn’t have their names legally changed, so they’d come off as cis white men if they were actually trans white women. 3) how can you tell someone’s race from a cumulative arrest report of an event that spanned 5 days? 4) care to share a link to said arrest report because I haven’t been able to find one and most of the people arrested were there under false names anyway.
@gray73 can you give a source?
Thank God there is clarification that Marsha P Johnson and Sylvia Rivera did not throw the first brick at Stonewall 🙏🏼
Hear, hear! So sick of hearing the myth that "Stonewall was started by trans women of color." Even the Democratic presidential candidates have been parroting that lie.
Would it truly be that horrible if trans women of colour were the ones who started the revollution? Is it better if it's a black butch lesbian? Who do you want to credit to make yourself feel better?
Yana Nedelcheva all I’m saying is stop spreading misinformation
Yana Nedelcheva it doesn’t matter who started it it helped everyone and it’s better to spread truth than lies
@@whatsupdudebitch I just think they were a little put off, like I was, by the first reply. It seemed to hint at disdain for trans women or POCs. There are unfortunately a lot of people - outside and inside the community - who are prejudiced against those groups. Hopefully, they're just being protective and the whole misunderstanding can be attributed to weird wording.
saying that Judy Garland’s death was the cause 🙄 blatant disrespect to the valiant souls that fought for the cause
"There was a much better bar called the Cherry Lane"😂💀
YALL BEST BELIEVE IT WAS A BUTCH
HAHAHAHAAAA....Love.
That's the way that the pbs interviews portrayed it.
Honestly, that's what I had heard back in the late 70's from a guy who claimed to be there.
Lesbians get everything done lmao
Thank you, Shane. An important video, even though the participants agree that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who "threw the first brick". Great research, and super interesting archive footage. Would have liked to hear the tune of that song they sang. Great vid, thanks again!
Since the one who started it was just a lesbian, rather than trans woman, it doesn't matter anymore 👀
It's Ta-ra-ra Boom-de-ay. A vaudeville and chorus line number. Howdy Doody copied the melody.
Thanks for this - I've hated the ongoing revisionism over the years
So does the black community. I want to include us in history regularly since the school system never does, do you?
??? I never thought stonewall was the beginning??? I didn’t know people thought it was.
I watched a video about stonewall earlier and it said that stonewall was the beginning. Thats why im here now
Many folks erroneously think it was the beginning.
Stonewall happened june 28 1969
Gays before 1969:
Of course. Certain groups created a rhetoric of misinformation to fit their narrative that pride exist because of them and we should all be grateful for them
"Where did those bricks come from?" Hahahaha i love the lowkey conspiracy theory vibes
(was Stonewall an inside job? Dun, dun, DUNNN) 🤣
Molotov cocktails can't melt steel beams
Aliens threw the first brick.
hatsune miku threw the first brick at stonewall
xD
Obviously Kaito threw the first brick.
rin was the first one to throw the brick and as a result len died
our queen 🤩
Is there nothing she can't do🤩🤩
THANK YOU STORME DELARVERIE. BLACK BUTCH DRAG KING
@Animal Liberation Yeah, she did indeed
@Animal Liberation she was most certainly a drag king :)
Yeah but the butch escaped, as people who were there claim.
Whoever threw the first brick or glass, I am immensely grateful for the people who were there, who went to pride events and protests, fighting for their rights and our rights. Fighting for equality. It took a lot of guts & bravery to do so, especially back in those days. These LGBTQ elders paved the way for later generations of LGBTQ, including my generation and future generations. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have marriage equality, we wouldn't be largely accepted in American society, etc etc. Happy pride month everyone! 🌈
Although the fight is not over yet, these brave people set the example of how our generation can carry the torch and keep fighting.
This is great, I love getting the real tea on what happened. I read David Carter's book also, and it was exhaustively well-researched and informative. In my opinion there was a bit of a connection to Judy Garland in that so many gays went to her viewing at the funeral home earlier that day and some of them must have thought "Wow, I didn't know there were so many of us!" I think having seen such a large public group of gays out in broad daylight gave them a sense of the power that we had, previously untapped.
@@shaneoneill8422 Am I trying to form a causal relationship? I don't think so, it's just a theory that I have, I just think it's possible that it influenced it a tiny bit, along with so many other things that influenced it.
I think this is a very good theory, and very probable.
I like that the story has been so uncertain that even the object that’s thrown keeps changing from account to account
this video brought tears to my eyes honestly. the way we unite as lgbtq people... we are a family. we love people we've never met because we know we share common ground within who we are. if that is not powerful, i don't know what is.
Li West the biggest lie. lgbt of color never get the same hunky dori love that is portrayed by hollywood
Jadi Taina was but true
Absolutely!
The man says it all at 7:41
Everyone should remember that. Always the truth, the facts. Even for stuff that have to do with our identity. Because lies can be used against one's cause as well.
The trouble with a lot of history is that it is often written by those who want to push a particular angle, the truth can often get lost along the way leaving the future to historians the task of trying to find it . If the past has anything to tell us then let it give us strength going forward
"It doesn't have to be true to be meaningful" is a kinda troubling statement in a video about the mythmaking around a historical event
And it's coming from a supposedly serious person. Scary.
Their point was that there are many conflicting accounts of what happened during Stonewall and we may never know the true version but that doesn't take away what Stonewall means to people.
But in that part they were talking about speculative and historical fiction. I think they meant that is the place for explorations of this history and those explorations can be meaningful but that does not mean those explorations replace true history
THIS IS SO GOOD. Thank you, @Shane O'Neill for producing this piece that can question the myths while respecting the need for myths around this pivotal historic moment.
So... Judy Garland threw the first house?
Wow, this is the kind of content I've been missing on CZcams. I learned something today and I thank you for this.
Tan France threw the first brick at stonewall
No, Jonathan Van Ness was!
@@timmy841212 Can you believe?
What an amazing and informative video. Thank you for putting this history out there for all of us. Even though I’m not a LGBTQ+ member, I’m an ally. Their history is all of our history. It’s human history.
Relax, you will not win an award for being PC ... LOL
@@jeremylee5990just thank them and keep it moving
Mr Brian's words at the 7:43 mark spoke the most to me, "If people start telling stories not at as they were, but as they would like them to be, that procedure can be used by anybody for any purpose. ...we need to be consistent in the truth." So much of that is happening in today's world. History is constantly being rewritten, and always to progress a certain narrative. And I'm looking at you, NYT. As wonderful as this video is, the NYT is one of the worst offenders.
So happy to be introduced to NOLA (New Orleans) *Stormie Delarverie* #LouisianaPRIDE
You don't need to embellish the truth to be proud or interested in history. Its still an accomplishment. It doesn't need to be one person and that's okay. Give credit to all the people who struggled and made themselves known.
Since the one who started it was a lesbian, rather than trans woman, it doesn't matter anymore 👀
Especially the kickline girls
gray73 I knew one of you would show your true colors and what this is really about for you. Regardless of who threw what....on behalf of the transgender community (at least those that feel as I do)......F-OFF!
100 % agree
@@JR-qt8qb funny how that works huh
This is such an amazing video. I made my family watch it (much to their chagrin as they were doing other things). But everything was perfect. Informative. Funny. And I saw some of my fav queens being interviewed. Amazing job Shane. Would love to see you with a series.
So glad that "Everyone Gets Stonewall Wrong But Me" season is over for the year.
The next year there were four parades, not three. Chicago had an original parade and has had one every year. San Francisco and Los Angeles have missed one year each, only Chicago and New York have had one every year.
@@shaneoneill8422 My basic way of figuring this out was to look at the count each city uses for each parade. Chicago and New York are at 50 and SF and LA are at 49. Each of those two cities have posted explanations, but I don't have the source at hand. I'll look for it. Owen Keehnen is especially the historian for the Chicago community.
There was also the first UK pride parade in London in 1970...
Was it the final weekend of June? Do you know if other European cities held parades in 1970? Toronto is also a possibility. The Chicago was actually before the other three in the US, as our parade was on Saturday and the other three followed the next day on Sunday.
@@emjenkins464 i think i saw THAT on the pbs doc. i'll search.✌
You're right, technically Chicago had the first celebration the following year on the 27th while New York had theirs on the 28th.
Donkey Kong threw the first barrel at Stonewall.
Indeed
"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid."
It would be such an honor to meet someone who was at stonewall. Such a pincial moment in our history I could sit and listen to stories about those days all night
1:24 look at this amazing group of people who were comfortable being themselves back then within the right community, so beautiful and the history too
This showed up on my recommended now, a year later during the protests and riots. this is just crazy timing
Feels uncanny
Wow, thank you for putting so much work and research into this video. This was a fascinating and nuanced look at history. Great job
I am reminded of a quote from a western, THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE(1962):..
."This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Great video Shane! I liked the in-depth analysis. I learned a TON about Stonewall
Thank you for including the Daughters of Bilitis, I just finished a research essay on their impact on the history of the LGBTQ+ community
Stop lesbian erasure! The historical revisionism of stonewall is also lesbian erasure. Whoever that butch lesbian was IT WAS A LESBIAN YOU GUYS
THANK YOU for telling the TRUE story with people who were actually there, and for breaking down the myths surrounding this historical moment.
Before Stonewall . . . even Wikipedia has a nice albeit probably partial list. My personal feeling is that Stonewall became more important because the mass media were more centralized in New York. So the 1959 riot in Los Angeles (with donuts!) and the 1965 and 1966 semi-riots in San Francisco did not garner attention because the New York press didn't care about "marginal" locations. Whatever the facts about Stonewall, it has given the world a recognizable name and date that we can use. Maybe that's enough.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_actions_in_the_United_States_prior_to_the_Stonewall_riots
New York had most of the mass media whereas Los Angeles and San Francisco didn't, surprisingly since you'd think California would have enough media to document it. Apparently they didn't!
As someone doing a 2 year research paper over the Stonewall Riots, reading the accounts from people like mark segal and then seeing them in interviews in simply amazing, thank you
Can I ask you wich book about Stonewall would give the most unbiased and factual account you've found so far ? Thank you 😊
Thank you for clearing this up. I’m so tired of all the misinformation related to stonewall.
That's what happens when your history teacher is twitter and instagram instead of a book and well founded research.
Thanks for all the research. Very interesting video and a very important part of history I didn’t learn in school.
Outstanding!!! Thank you for posting this!!! XO
millie bobby brown threw the first sock at stonewall
Keira N and then she ran me over in her Mercedes
😱 I didn’t know this! Lgbt history has to be told. It’s part of regular history, but it’s never spoken about. For example, when learning about the human rights movement at school, we only hear about MLK and PERHAPS Malcom x, nothing else.
Our community lost so many of our elders due to AIDS. It is so important to listen to those of us who actually fought for the basic rights we have now, finally. I worry that our history will be forgotten if younger people don't hear us. We are a perfect example of how oppressed people can rise up and make positive changes in society. We did it relatively quickly and with intelligence and determination. In Canada, we had the same battle and we won. We had our own Harvey Milk in George Hislop of Toronto. I am very proud to have been a part of the movement.
I’m so glad I found this video! I knew certain things about it from research but I still learned from this video!
Well done, one of the best topic research OCs I've ever seen
Don't go that far.
Happy Pride everyone!! ❤️💛💚💙💜
This is so important NY Times! Thank you for this.
What an excellent video! History should be presented truthfully and we should not let it get twisted!
istg if i see another comment saying "it doesn't matter who threw the first brick uwu" now that they know it was a black lesbian who did it i'm gonna commit a crime. i love how instead of trying to reivindicate yourselves and give credit where credit is due, you decide to take away all the relevance from the event now that it doesn't fit your agenda. it's pretty disappointing and it sure doesn't make me feel welcome as a lesbian at all.
Underrated comment
Agreed. If it didn’t matter who threw the first brick, then why were people continuously spread the message that TW did? OFC, LGBT contributed to help make LGBT’s human rights happen, but to brush off someone’s credit is wrong. Especially when they deserve it
I love this video. Because I am someone who is a huge LGBT+ history geek, and Stonewall has such a loving place in my heart. I've spent the last few years researching it and all the talk about who did what was always so messy. All I knew for sure was it wasn't Marsha or Sylvia, and I heard the clip of Marsha saying she didn't show up until it was on fire.
However, I agree that it doesn't matter who was the first to throw whatever. What matters it happened. It was important. What Marsha and Sylvia did after Stonewall was amazing. And we should remember stuff like the STAR house when remembering their names. Maybe they didn't throw the first brick. But they did some amazing things.
Except that it does matter that almost university the lesbian involvement in stonewall is erased and ignored. A trend that runs rampant in all lgbtq history.
Since the one who started it was just a lesbian, rather than trans woman, it doesn't matter anymore 👀
What other lesbian history is erased?
This was super informative!! Thanks for making this
Really cool to see Karla and Jim interviewed as well as hearing a clip of Sylvia after reading Martin Duberman's book on Stonewall
Wow. This is tea. This really hits different in the last couple of weeks.
2:34 is my favorite part, I don't know why it made me smile.
I love this! Congrats Shane, this is a great video.
Thank you for this video and educating me on something so important to me and our community 💖
It must be frustrating when myths and untruths spread and becomes common "knowledge"... people don't seem to wanna do their research... power to the
people, comrades
Thank you Shane. I really appreciated getting to hear the opinions of various applicable people. I've got some friends to enlighten!
I'm glad you interviewed people who were actually at the Stonewall Uprising as to what really happened. The New York Public Library in Manhattan had phones you actual stories from the people who were there on the 30th anniversary in 1999. I was there. The David Carter history and a PBS documentary tell the story with great accuracy to cprrect the myths that have grown about it.
Beautiful journalism, thank you.
I don't think it is OK to push a myth. That is absurd and manipulative. And why so self-appointed myth-makers get to distort the truth with impunity? disgusting.
Yay! Finally some credit for Hirschfeld and Berlin! :) And I love the end of the video where people agree that singular and particular actions are not what makes history. this is a narrative westerners love, but what it is simply untrue.
Excellent video! There are so many myths and legends around Stonewall.