The Stonewall You Know Is a Myth. And That’s O.K. | NYT Celebrating Pride

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  • "Who threw the first brick at Stonewall?” has become a rallying cry, a cliche and a queer inside joke on the internet - never mind the fact that it’s not clear whether bricks were ever thrown during the riots at all.
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  • @gost7821
    @gost7821 Před 4 lety +3085

    Maybe the real first brickthrower was the friends we made along the way

    • @twotriz6395
      @twotriz6395 Před 4 lety +60

      Woah dude that's deep

    • @PunkCheerleaderBetch
      @PunkCheerleaderBetch Před 4 lety +12

      Is this a "Good Place" reference? I so hope it is.

    • @CalamityInAction
      @CalamityInAction Před 4 lety +19

      PunkCheerleaderBetch Its from an 80s movie, but it was also in The Good Place. Go on KnowYourMeme and look up “The real treasure”

    • @amellirizarry9503
      @amellirizarry9503 Před 3 lety +3

      or maybe a time traveler

    • @ryan20044
      @ryan20044 Před 3 lety +2

      @@amellirizarry9503 or maybe just Michael Jackson

  • @davidlee4198
    @davidlee4198 Před 5 lety +12324

    I did not expect the Rockets-style kick line to be the most historically accurate part of the story

  • @brendanmccabe8373
    @brendanmccabe8373 Před 4 lety +6183

    The problem is one person can’t start a riot, who threw the first brick doesn’t matter because there needs to be a second brick and then another it was all of them together

    • @harmonyqueue
      @harmonyqueue Před 4 lety +301

      This needs to be heard, period. We need to remember to share credit, but a failure to share credit does not create a debt for the full credit of our community to black or trans LGBT. We are not going to allow vengeful revisionism, and this is going to force us to fall back on allowing racism just to prevent the undue theft of our history.

    • @Faaithhh18
      @Faaithhh18 Před 4 lety +8

      love this statement, thank you !

    • @deseuryderia
      @deseuryderia Před 4 lety +6

      well said

    • @sitas9827
      @sitas9827 Před 4 lety

      Yes, I feel like that's the whole point.

    • @saintsarah8183
      @saintsarah8183 Před 4 lety +12

      @Leo Xx Why so mad?

  • @Khrene
    @Khrene Před 5 lety +2533

    Can we call the unknown first brick thrower a.... *Stone Butch?*

  • @audreydalum3413
    @audreydalum3413 Před 5 lety +5179

    The man in pick glasses realizing 50 years after the fact that the song follows the toon of It's Howdy Doody time is my favorite part

  • @gavinmccormick3658
    @gavinmccormick3658 Před 4 lety +2021

    "if people start telling stories not as they were, but as they would like them to be, that procedure can be used by anyone for any purpose."
    Amazing

    • @kwilliams8440
      @kwilliams8440 Před 4 lety +29

      Gavin McCormick All day, every day. Last year, this year, next year. That’s why they’re called “stories”. LOL I really wish the LGBTQ+ community had a better collection of its history.

    • @izanagi5136
      @izanagi5136 Před 4 lety +18

      It’s a sad truth, but yeah, it’s especially true if it’s something that people want to hear, making it more believable to them.

    • @SaturnCrashing
      @SaturnCrashing Před 4 lety

      Yes that was good.

    • @Alusnovalotus
      @Alusnovalotus Před 4 lety +18

      Hey. It worked for the Bible..... 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @Nite-Mite
      @Nite-Mite Před 3 lety +1

      @@Alusnovalotus, you mean the Quran?

  • @sgatlersquad2691
    @sgatlersquad2691 Před 4 lety +1746

    "If we are demanding that our history be respected, then we have to respect it ourselves"
    PREACH 👏

  • @leutrellbodden3743
    @leutrellbodden3743 Před 5 lety +7504

    We will never know who threw the first brick. What we do know by everyone's account is that Marsha and Sylvia gave their lives fighting for LGBT+ rights. That's more than enough to celebrate them and to be thankful for their sacrifice.

    • @Fainora
      @Fainora Před 5 lety +717

      We should absolutely celebrate them, but we should also honor the debated butch lesbian that sparked it all, all too often lesbians are excluded from lgbtq history.

    • @Gee-xb7rt
      @Gee-xb7rt Před 5 lety +23

      white people are too busy throwing bricks at them.

    • @saharsummer1794
      @saharsummer1794 Před 5 lety +77

      And what Storme didn't?

    • @Volvandese
      @Volvandese Před 5 lety +186

      Marsha, Sylvia, Stormé... it doesn't matter who started the fight, what matters is who kept fighting, that day and for years to come. All 3 of them (along with many many others) deserve our respect and recognition.

    • @midwestpride7693
      @midwestpride7693 Před 5 lety +1

      Im really stupid whis marsha and sylvia

  • @pizzasteve5802
    @pizzasteve5802 Před 5 lety +3035

    dobby threw the first brick at stonewall
    -jk rowling probably

    • @jakobrzwiebel
      @jakobrzwiebel Před 5 lety +52

      @@TwentyNineJP a wet sock

    • @bdoglance
      @bdoglance Před 5 lety +41

      @@jakobrzwiebel a smelly wet sock

    • @alexmonthine8535
      @alexmonthine8535 Před 5 lety +130

      "Dobby had a intense sexual relationship with the Stonewall Bar" - Jk Rowling

    • @scottstrange8809
      @scottstrange8809 Před 5 lety +55

      Dobby would never! He threw a vibrator in Dumbledore... who just happened to be near the police while Snape through shade
      -JK Rowling

    • @miistyflower9046
      @miistyflower9046 Před 4 lety +3

      Omg lol

  • @QteaTheSwag
    @QteaTheSwag Před 5 lety +576

    “I guess I was more of a stone guy” lmao

  • @AirQuotes
    @AirQuotes Před 5 lety +1868

    Are you saying Drunk History lied to me?!

    • @Hellooo134
      @Hellooo134 Před 5 lety +297

      Yeah they tend to show the most popular or interesting narrative instead of the most accurate, which is fine for entertainment, not for educatuon

    • @nixtheclause9984
      @nixtheclause9984 Před 5 lety +120

      God of Beans-also they’re drunk

    • @DrLennieSmall
      @DrLennieSmall Před 5 lety +60

      Drunk history doesn't really do nuance, grey areas, or controversial narratives. It's funny and is good for introducing people to obscure parts of history. It rarely goes against the popular cultures/liberal view of history though so I wouldn't form an opinion on an event/person purely on the shows portrayal.

    • @wiredpup
      @wiredpup Před 5 lety +1

      Yup

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety +15

      Yup. Plus accounts of the night said Marsha wasn't even in full drag that night.

  • @josiahpt1
    @josiahpt1 Před 5 lety +652

    I'm doing a presentation on Stonewall and it's ridiculous how many untrue statements and unimportant false details there are.

    • @maxrobertson9008
      @maxrobertson9008 Před 5 lety +6

      Please let us know what they are or better yet, give us a way to look at your presentation. Thanks.

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety +30

      There were lot of false details and it was sometimes provided by those who lied about being there (Sylvia, Miss Major) or who may or may not have been the butch lesbian who punched the cop (Storme). Most were adamant that Marsha was there both nights but the shot glass thing didn't happen because she had just come from a party uptown at Bryant Park with Sylvia (Sylvia didn't go to the Stonewall on either the first or second night because she was seeking and shooting up heroin).

    • @diegodelvalle888
      @diegodelvalle888 Před 4 lety +3

      @gray73 Im trying to research more on this, wheres this interview?

    • @alalalala57
      @alalalala57 Před 4 lety +5

      @gray73 So?

    • @aricm5973
      @aricm5973 Před 3 lety +6

      @@alalalala57 how about not mixing a dressing choice with gender?

  • @Iamjustherek
    @Iamjustherek Před 4 lety +265

    “No there was not A kick line at Stonewall, there were MANY.” 😂😂😂 why have I never heard of any of these kick lines???

    • @Anon12762
      @Anon12762 Před 2 lety +1

      Best quote in the entire vid lmao

  • @meowzy2439
    @meowzy2439 Před 4 lety +201

    “We had a BIG jar of Vaseline on the float.”
    😭😂iconic loool

    • @meowzy2439
      @meowzy2439 Před 3 lety +11

      @Pink Grape to use it as a lubricant during intercourse lol.

    • @leventpasaoglu3515
      @leventpasaoglu3515 Před 2 lety +2

      @flower meadows But Vaseline might break latex condoms, a water-based one will be suitable, just so you know.

    • @dpcisunbreakable
      @dpcisunbreakable Před rokem

      @@leventpasaoglu3515 Condoms? 🤮🤮🤮

  • @AandP4dummieslikeme
    @AandP4dummieslikeme Před 5 lety +842

    I never understood the connection between Judy Garland's death and Stonewall. Maybe because there never was one.

    • @s.osullivan1193
      @s.osullivan1193 Před 5 lety +70

      justcallme... I had never heard it before this video

    • @fabtastic2
      @fabtastic2 Před 5 lety +56

      Like the one guy said in the video some people had been to the funeral. I'm sure that was sad for those fans. Was it the cause or the main motivating factor? No, of course not but for some it just added to the overall emotion of the evening. Sylvia Rivera herself said as much.

    • @tieflingcorpse9817
      @tieflingcorpse9817 Před 4 lety +37

      The myth makes more sense if you know that judy was an avid supporter of the lgbt community

    • @ChibiChidorii
      @ChibiChidorii Před 4 lety +26

      Judy Garland was a big ally. Think how many people in the community would feel if Lady Gaga died. There's even rumors that she was bi but I've never seen evidence of that.

    • @frankiebowie6174
      @frankiebowie6174 Před 3 lety +5

      @Olive
      “Some actress”?
      SOME ACTRESS??!!
      Heretic.

  • @SuperTonymr
    @SuperTonymr Před 5 lety +2157

    That slight shade thrown at Tyler Oakley lmao 02:27

    • @YoungBlasarius
      @YoungBlasarius Před 5 lety +139

      anthony marquez but it was a dUmP

    • @beatnickblanket
      @beatnickblanket Před 5 lety +267

      I dunno if it was really shade. They showed a lot of clips of people, famous and otherwise, regurgitating the inaccurate narrative around Stonewall. Tyler was just doing what so many others do: believing the narrative to be accurate and reiterating it.

    • @SuperTonymr
      @SuperTonymr Před 5 lety +55

      James Bradford you’re right, I was just making a funny comment

    • @scottiiiii
      @scottiiiii Před 5 lety +19

      THIS was the comment i was looking for i was thinking the same thing

  • @nesssss343
    @nesssss343 Před 5 lety +398

    i really appreciate this video's attention to detail. it's always disheartening to see Stormé get swept under the rug when it comes to stonewall.

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety +9

      @gray73 Fowler may have been the one to scream at the crowd to "do something". Storme said she wasn't arrested or if they tried to, she managed to break off the cuffs and run away.

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety

      @gray73 Interesting... 🤔

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety

      @gray73 Yeah I think I read this too.

    • @GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER
      @GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER Před 4 lety +10

      Well by eyewitness accounts the butch escaped.

    • @queenadarona4451
      @queenadarona4451 Před 2 lety

      Not surprising

  • @hannahdavies601
    @hannahdavies601 Před 4 lety +483

    Scarlet Johannson didn’t throw the first brick at stonewall...but she will be playing the brick in an upcoming biopic

    • @LAQC1992
      @LAQC1992 Před 3 lety +5

      Lol

    • @ashleyhathaway8548
      @ashleyhathaway8548 Před 2 lety +3

      That would require having some range

    • @lunickiwrites7256
      @lunickiwrites7256 Před 2 lety +9

      Ugh. One day bricks will be able to represent themselves on the big screen, but there’s so much stigma now.

    • @jackclewley95
      @jackclewley95 Před 2 lety +3

      Her range... Iconic.

    • @kristophert932
      @kristophert932 Před 2 lety

      Naw Jodie Turner Smith got the part of of the brick

  • @irreleavant
    @irreleavant Před 5 lety +683

    7:42 "If people start telling stories not as they were, but as they would like them to be, that procedure can be used by anybody for any purpose"
    Literally just came from hbomberguy's video about Climate Denial. Whoop there it is.

    • @kilianfitzgerald5899
      @kilianfitzgerald5899 Před 5 lety +20

      El Yule Is that really apples to apples? Climate denial is usually malicious ignorance of science and basic data i.e pulling out of the Paris Accords.

    • @Iamthatis137
      @Iamthatis137 Před 5 lety +70

      Kilian Fitzgerald I think this is exactly what he meant. If embellishing facts for a good reason is acceptable, then embellishing or lying about facts for bad reasons is acceptable. Which is the era we’ve already entered.

    • @korazona3731
      @korazona3731 Před 5 lety +7

      El Yule love hbomberguy

    • @kristopherhasenbuhler5393
      @kristopherhasenbuhler5393 Před 5 lety +9

      That was the most valuable lesson of the whole video!

    • @algonzalez6853
      @algonzalez6853 Před 4 lety

      Ironic since whitetubers like him are changing stories as they please

  • @killgoretrout3671
    @killgoretrout3671 Před 5 lety +1470

    Garfield threw the first lasagna at stone wall

    • @skyerune
      @skyerune Před 5 lety +99

      Garfield would never throw lasagna.

    • @Gnomeybone
      @Gnomeybone Před 5 lety +46

      @@skyerune Thank you for your clarification in support of Garfield and his trademark meal of choice.

    • @emj602
      @emj602 Před 5 lety +37

      No Garfield threw Odie

    • @musicguy20
      @musicguy20 Před 5 lety +10

      No hun it was Garfield and Nermal of course 🐈

    • @scottstrange8809
      @scottstrange8809 Před 5 lety +9

      Garfield throw the first Jon at Stonewall

  • @allisonwonderland9161
    @allisonwonderland9161 Před 5 lety +1191

    we ALL threw the first brick at stonewall

    • @basilmemories
      @basilmemories Před 4 lety +1

      @Djek Jdje Stop throwing bricks at my temples! I have to sacrifice goats somewhere!

    • @sunnysea24
      @sunnysea24 Před 4 lety +90

      Maybe the real first brick was the friends we made along the way

    • @torivega1135
      @torivega1135 Před 4 lety +37

      I think we ALL know that we threw the first brick at stonewall

    • @DrummerGabs
      @DrummerGabs Před 4 lety +2

      @@sunnysea24 I was about to comment this until I saw it had already been done! lol

    • @pendingdeletionduetocopyri4634
      @pendingdeletionduetocopyri4634 Před 4 lety +8

      - Victoria Justice

  • @michaelfontana2865
    @michaelfontana2865 Před 5 lety +657

    This seems to be a Boston massacre type of situation, where the myth has stayed has lasted longer than the facts.

    • @ryanrodriguez1234
      @ryanrodriguez1234 Před 5 lety +4

      Michael Fontana what’s the real thing ? You got a link or CZcams video I can watch

    • @michaelfontana2865
      @michaelfontana2865 Před 5 lety +42

      @@ryanrodriguez1234 it's really just a bunch of stuff I learned on the American revolution in school. Patriot propaganda made the Boston "massacare" seem like it was equivalent to one of the worst things in history. For a specific video though. Extra history did a good job explaining the whole situation about before and after the massacare

    • @AN-ou6qu
      @AN-ou6qu Před 5 lety +5

      Michael Fontana thankfully my teacher (I live in America) didn’t exaggerate it.

    • @BarginsGalore
      @BarginsGalore Před 5 lety +13

      Not just the Boston massacre but basically all the circumstances surrounding the American revolution

    • @michaelfontana2865
      @michaelfontana2865 Před 5 lety +2

      @@BarginsGalore very true. The Boston massacare just came to mind when I heard. " Who threw the first brick"

  • @GraceMallory-is-awesome
    @GraceMallory-is-awesome Před 5 lety +595

    I’m just glad that stonewall happened, no matter what the actual story was. Just to see how far this community has come is amazing.

    • @nicola7021
      @nicola7021 Před 2 lety +13

      What actually happened is also important though. Let’s not dismiss it as “just glad that [it] happened”

    • @galolito
      @galolito Před rokem +8

      @@nicola7021 And becomes more important with the increasing number of lies being told.

    • @barringtonedwards7008
      @barringtonedwards7008 Před rokem

      😂😂😂

    • @barringtonedwards7008
      @barringtonedwards7008 Před rokem

      ​@@galolito 😂😂
      YOU ARE MEMBERS OF THE SATANIC ASHTAR CULT AND HER MONTH IS JUNE AND IT HAPPENED IN JUNE.
      IT WAS A RITUAL😂😂

    • @theuniverseisme432
      @theuniverseisme432 Před 6 měsíci +2

      The community has come far but now they’re going too far. They’re becoming the hateful ones now.

  • @patrickmike2524
    @patrickmike2524 Před 5 lety +174

    If it wasn’t a glass it was a dirty look
    I love that line

  • @Shetasen
    @Shetasen Před 5 lety +280

    Chrysanthemum ? That is an amazing flower to pick for a name. Move over Rose, Daisy and Violet.

    • @christinamata3405
      @christinamata3405 Před 5 lety +16

      I'd get very tired very quickly of having to spell it out for people every single time. Nobody except gardeners know how to spell it 😂

    • @caligulalonghbottom2629
      @caligulalonghbottom2629 Před 4 lety +4

      @@christinamata3405 Has anyone ever been named Tulip? lol

    • @specificsoup
      @specificsoup Před 4 lety +28

      As a child I read a book about a girl (well, a mouse, but it's a children's book lol) named Chysanthemum who grew up having a lot of issues with her name because it was so long. People couldn't pronounce it and it didn't fit on ID cards and stuff, but she eventually became comfortable with it, and then her music teacher named her daughter Chrysanthemum.

    • @twinkerbell1333
      @twinkerbell1333 Před 3 lety +4

      @@specificsoup Heyy I remember that same exact story from when I was in elementary!

    • @aveuch
      @aveuch Před 2 lety +2

      How do you feel about Hyacinth?

  • @achillendimond2124
    @achillendimond2124 Před 4 lety +47

    ‘There wasn’t a kick line at Stonewall....there were many kick lines at Stonewall’ is the best sentence I have ever heard

  • @trashboi1286
    @trashboi1286 Před 4 lety +416

    The amount of misconceptions when it comes to historical events like Stonewall is honestly not surprising. But the fact is this: regardless of who threw the first brick (metaphorically, of course) the LGBTQ+ community should be grateful to ALL who stood with the movement and recognize credit where credit is due. Marsha and Sylvia may not have started Stonewall, but they made their own contributions to the community. If Storme truly was the one to start it all, then of course she deserves recognition. If not, she still defended lesbian bars not long after Stonewall happened.
    The point is they ALL contributed something, and there's no denying that.

    • @RFDeStefano
      @RFDeStefano Před 3 lety +24

      True but we should tell the truth with history and not accept things that are wrong. And yes Marsha and Sylvia made great contributions.

    • @trashboi1286
      @trashboi1286 Před 3 lety +4

      @@RFDeStefano I agree. Obviously a lot of things are incorrect with the way we retell the story of Stonewall, but the problem in telling the truth of history is that many of us don't know how it exactly started. There's lots of details left out and lots of speculation. With the evidence we have now we can say it's Storme who urged the crowd to riot, but down the road we may learn it's someone else. That's what I'm trying to say with "regardless of who threw the first brick".
      Not to mention I've had arguments with a lot of people who, because it was Storme and not Sylvia or Marsha, believe what we know for now is an excuse to discredit other people who fought with the movement. They even had the audacity to misgender them, especially Marsha, claiming that "they said they identified as a drag queen" without taking into account the language used back then.
      Sorry if there was any confusion about my comment.

    • @jaybird-8311
      @jaybird-8311 Před 3 lety +18

      Can you TRAs stop trying to downplay our history

    • @trashboi1286
      @trashboi1286 Před 3 lety +9

      @@jaybird-8311 dude I don't even know what you're talking about. What exactly am I downplaying here? This comment is aimed at the people who think this new information is an excuse to say others aren't important even though they also did great things to get the community where it is today. In some cases they even use it to be bigoted against other members of the community. And tf is a TRA???

    • @ashleyhathaway8548
      @ashleyhathaway8548 Před 2 lety

      @@trashboi1286 Some audio of an interview with Marsha czcams.com/video/_kE8P9DWwRA/video.html

  • @sundalongpatpat
    @sundalongpatpat Před 4 lety +167

    Toph and Aang threw the first bricks at Stonewall.

  • @brooklynnoe6492
    @brooklynnoe6492 Před 5 lety +59

    i did a presentation on stonewall for my english class, and the amount of ppl that don’t know what it is is astounding, so i’m not surprised about how many misconceptions are around it

  • @milhouse14
    @milhouse14 Před 5 lety +1874

    Gay by Birth. Proud by Choice.
    Happy Pride Month. 🏳️‍🌈👭👬

    • @lindseysummers5351
      @lindseysummers5351 Před 5 lety +27

      To you and yours as well!! 👭💖💛💚💙💜👬

    • @patavinity1262
      @patavinity1262 Před 5 lety +18

      Are you sure you were born with a fully-developed sexuality, or is it more likely that it developed throughout your childhood?

    • @milhouse14
      @milhouse14 Před 5 lety +103

      @@patavinity1262 Sexual orientation is not affected by one's childhood development.

    • @patavinity1262
      @patavinity1262 Před 5 lety +12

      @@milhouse14 Oh yeah? How do you know that? How exactly do you test a newborn infant's sexual orientation?

    • @milhouse14
      @milhouse14 Před 5 lety +92

      @@patavinity1262 Well, you could ask any straight person and he or she would tell you that his or her childhood development did not affect his or her sexual orientation

  • @nudnikjeff
    @nudnikjeff Před 4 lety +42

    I was not at Stonewall 50 years ago, but I turned 21 AND came out that very weekend in Chicago. Things began to change!

  • @omk573
    @omk573 Před 5 lety +236

    5:47 can we forget that movie existed already?

    • @kingbee2537
      @kingbee2537 Před 5 lety +92

      omk573 G A Y P O W E R

    • @tonta3983
      @tonta3983 Před 5 lety +41

      no one:
      me during pride month: 5:50

    • @omk573
      @omk573 Před 5 lety +21

      @gray73 did you watch the video lol and the god awful writing totally ruins the movie

    • @macksthetigerchild3417
      @macksthetigerchild3417 Před 4 lety +30

      gray73 1) not everyone who participated was arrested, obviously. 2) trans people involved probably didn’t have their names legally changed, so they’d come off as cis white men if they were actually trans white women. 3) how can you tell someone’s race from a cumulative arrest report of an event that spanned 5 days? 4) care to share a link to said arrest report because I haven’t been able to find one and most of the people arrested were there under false names anyway.

    • @algonzalez6853
      @algonzalez6853 Před 4 lety +2

      @gray73 can you give a source?

  • @whatsupdudebitch
    @whatsupdudebitch Před 4 lety +147

    Thank God there is clarification that Marsha P Johnson and Sylvia Rivera did not throw the first brick at Stonewall 🙏🏼

    • @musicaltheatergeek79
      @musicaltheatergeek79 Před 4 lety +50

      Hear, hear! So sick of hearing the myth that "Stonewall was started by trans women of color." Even the Democratic presidential candidates have been parroting that lie.

    • @yananedelcheva
      @yananedelcheva Před 4 lety +39

      Would it truly be that horrible if trans women of colour were the ones who started the revollution? Is it better if it's a black butch lesbian? Who do you want to credit to make yourself feel better?

    • @whatsupdudebitch
      @whatsupdudebitch Před 4 lety +61

      Yana Nedelcheva all I’m saying is stop spreading misinformation

    • @justerner3293
      @justerner3293 Před 4 lety +16

      Yana Nedelcheva it doesn’t matter who started it it helped everyone and it’s better to spread truth than lies

    • @chloe._.
      @chloe._. Před 4 lety +39

      @@whatsupdudebitch I just think they were a little put off, like I was, by the first reply. It seemed to hint at disdain for trans women or POCs. There are unfortunately a lot of people - outside and inside the community - who are prejudiced against those groups. Hopefully, they're just being protective and the whole misunderstanding can be attributed to weird wording.

  • @itsLia13
    @itsLia13 Před 4 lety +155

    saying that Judy Garland’s death was the cause 🙄 blatant disrespect to the valiant souls that fought for the cause

  • @missy9740
    @missy9740 Před 4 lety +22

    "There was a much better bar called the Cherry Lane"😂💀

  • @ninahoney6423
    @ninahoney6423 Před 5 lety +198

    YALL BEST BELIEVE IT WAS A BUTCH

    • @lv7118
      @lv7118 Před 4 lety +1

      HAHAHAHAAAA....Love.

    • @alysiamerdavid-wasser9165
      @alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 Před 4 lety +3

      That's the way that the pbs interviews portrayed it.

    • @mikedowner515
      @mikedowner515 Před 4 lety +5

      Honestly, that's what I had heard back in the late 70's from a guy who claimed to be there.

    • @SarosSol
      @SarosSol Před 4 lety +3

      Lesbians get everything done lmao

  • @BrunoFrance1974
    @BrunoFrance1974 Před 5 lety +217

    Thank you, Shane. An important video, even though the participants agree that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter who "threw the first brick". Great research, and super interesting archive footage. Would have liked to hear the tune of that song they sang. Great vid, thanks again!

    • @JR-qt8qb
      @JR-qt8qb Před 4 lety +8

      Since the one who started it was just a lesbian, rather than trans woman, it doesn't matter anymore 👀

    • @pryingeyes1551
      @pryingeyes1551 Před 4 lety +3

      It's Ta-ra-ra Boom-de-ay. A vaudeville and chorus line number. Howdy Doody copied the melody.

  • @MichaelYoder1961
    @MichaelYoder1961 Před 4 lety +39

    Thanks for this - I've hated the ongoing revisionism over the years

    • @dpcisunbreakable
      @dpcisunbreakable Před rokem

      So does the black community. I want to include us in history regularly since the school system never does, do you?

  • @wolfiehampton727
    @wolfiehampton727 Před 5 lety +53

    ??? I never thought stonewall was the beginning??? I didn’t know people thought it was.

    • @chelsey8737
      @chelsey8737 Před 5 lety +4

      I watched a video about stonewall earlier and it said that stonewall was the beginning. Thats why im here now

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety +9

      Many folks erroneously think it was the beginning.

    • @lucaix0927
      @lucaix0927 Před 2 lety +5

      Stonewall happened june 28 1969
      Gays before 1969:

    • @kristophert932
      @kristophert932 Před 2 lety +4

      Of course. Certain groups created a rhetoric of misinformation to fit their narrative that pride exist because of them and we should all be grateful for them

  • @nobu9705
    @nobu9705 Před 5 lety +153

    "Where did those bricks come from?" Hahahaha i love the lowkey conspiracy theory vibes
    (was Stonewall an inside job? Dun, dun, DUNNN) 🤣

  • @CharaViolet
    @CharaViolet Před 5 lety +529

    hatsune miku threw the first brick at stonewall

    • @prawn4527
      @prawn4527 Před 5 lety

      xD

    • @happybunnyntx
      @happybunnyntx Před 5 lety +7

      Obviously Kaito threw the first brick.

    • @bug3954
      @bug3954 Před 4 lety +8

      rin was the first one to throw the brick and as a result len died

    • @wolfie1703
      @wolfie1703 Před 4 lety +4

      our queen 🤩

    • @hexx6120
      @hexx6120 Před 4 lety +5

      Is there nothing she can't do🤩🤩

  • @MothLand
    @MothLand Před 5 lety +62

    THANK YOU STORME DELARVERIE. BLACK BUTCH DRAG KING

    • @helenasoldevilla8208
      @helenasoldevilla8208 Před 5 lety +8

      @Animal Liberation Yeah, she did indeed

    • @MothLand
      @MothLand Před 5 lety +7

      @Animal Liberation she was most certainly a drag king :)

    • @GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER
      @GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER Před 4 lety +4

      Yeah but the butch escaped, as people who were there claim.

  • @aurorawolfe6060
    @aurorawolfe6060 Před 5 lety +39

    Whoever threw the first brick or glass, I am immensely grateful for the people who were there, who went to pride events and protests, fighting for their rights and our rights. Fighting for equality. It took a lot of guts & bravery to do so, especially back in those days. These LGBTQ elders paved the way for later generations of LGBTQ, including my generation and future generations. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have marriage equality, we wouldn't be largely accepted in American society, etc etc. Happy pride month everyone! 🌈

    • @aurorawolfe6060
      @aurorawolfe6060 Před 5 lety +4

      Although the fight is not over yet, these brave people set the example of how our generation can carry the torch and keep fighting.

  • @ChukkaChukka74
    @ChukkaChukka74 Před 5 lety +28

    This is great, I love getting the real tea on what happened. I read David Carter's book also, and it was exhaustively well-researched and informative. In my opinion there was a bit of a connection to Judy Garland in that so many gays went to her viewing at the funeral home earlier that day and some of them must have thought "Wow, I didn't know there were so many of us!" I think having seen such a large public group of gays out in broad daylight gave them a sense of the power that we had, previously untapped.

    • @ChukkaChukka74
      @ChukkaChukka74 Před 5 lety +5

      @@shaneoneill8422 Am I trying to form a causal relationship? I don't think so, it's just a theory that I have, I just think it's possible that it influenced it a tiny bit, along with so many other things that influenced it.

    • @bluecollarlit
      @bluecollarlit Před rokem +1

      I think this is a very good theory, and very probable.

  • @guyyouseewhenyoudie
    @guyyouseewhenyoudie Před 5 lety +17

    I like that the story has been so uncertain that even the object that’s thrown keeps changing from account to account

  • @liwest511
    @liwest511 Před 5 lety +65

    this video brought tears to my eyes honestly. the way we unite as lgbtq people... we are a family. we love people we've never met because we know we share common ground within who we are. if that is not powerful, i don't know what is.

    • @saifavalencia1156
      @saifavalencia1156 Před 4 lety +3

      Li West the biggest lie. lgbt of color never get the same hunky dori love that is portrayed by hollywood

    • @izzy350
      @izzy350 Před 4 lety

      Jadi Taina was but true

    • @tishwolfsong2869
      @tishwolfsong2869 Před 3 lety

      Absolutely!

  • @Grotomode
    @Grotomode Před 4 lety +20

    The man says it all at 7:41
    Everyone should remember that. Always the truth, the facts. Even for stuff that have to do with our identity. Because lies can be used against one's cause as well.

  • @denniskillin9853
    @denniskillin9853 Před 3 lety +8

    The trouble with a lot of history is that it is often written by those who want to push a particular angle, the truth can often get lost along the way leaving the future to historians the task of trying to find it . If the past has anything to tell us then let it give us strength going forward

  • @user-mt2co8ip4u
    @user-mt2co8ip4u Před 3 lety +47

    "It doesn't have to be true to be meaningful" is a kinda troubling statement in a video about the mythmaking around a historical event

    • @jaranowska
      @jaranowska Před 2 lety +4

      And it's coming from a supposedly serious person. Scary.

    • @Maglors_grief
      @Maglors_grief Před 2 lety +11

      Their point was that there are many conflicting accounts of what happened during Stonewall and we may never know the true version but that doesn't take away what Stonewall means to people.

    • @tracelynnsangster
      @tracelynnsangster Před 2 lety +1

      But in that part they were talking about speculative and historical fiction. I think they meant that is the place for explorations of this history and those explorations can be meaningful but that does not mean those explorations replace true history

  • @visualthinking
    @visualthinking Před 4 lety +4

    THIS IS SO GOOD. Thank you, @Shane O'Neill for producing this piece that can question the myths while respecting the need for myths around this pivotal historic moment.

  • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated

    So... Judy Garland threw the first house?

  • @arturomestanza
    @arturomestanza Před 5 lety +9

    Wow, this is the kind of content I've been missing on CZcams. I learned something today and I thank you for this.

  • @neuroseptember1020
    @neuroseptember1020 Před 5 lety +153

    Tan France threw the first brick at stonewall

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety +2

      No, Jonathan Van Ness was!

    • @lgxa6483
      @lgxa6483 Před 4 lety +1

      @@timmy841212 Can you believe?

  • @Hortonheardahoe
    @Hortonheardahoe Před 2 lety +15

    What an amazing and informative video. Thank you for putting this history out there for all of us. Even though I’m not a LGBTQ+ member, I’m an ally. Their history is all of our history. It’s human history.

    • @jeremylee5990
      @jeremylee5990 Před 2 lety

      Relax, you will not win an award for being PC ... LOL

    • @davidsilvarz
      @davidsilvarz Před 6 měsíci

      @@jeremylee5990just thank them and keep it moving

  • @kimj5037
    @kimj5037 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Mr Brian's words at the 7:43 mark spoke the most to me, "If people start telling stories not at as they were, but as they would like them to be, that procedure can be used by anybody for any purpose. ...we need to be consistent in the truth." So much of that is happening in today's world. History is constantly being rewritten, and always to progress a certain narrative. And I'm looking at you, NYT. As wonderful as this video is, the NYT is one of the worst offenders.

  • @KaneneProductions
    @KaneneProductions Před 5 lety +36

    So happy to be introduced to NOLA (New Orleans) *Stormie Delarverie* #LouisianaPRIDE

  • @Kimmie6772
    @Kimmie6772 Před 5 lety +151

    You don't need to embellish the truth to be proud or interested in history. Its still an accomplishment. It doesn't need to be one person and that's okay. Give credit to all the people who struggled and made themselves known.

    • @JR-qt8qb
      @JR-qt8qb Před 4 lety +15

      Since the one who started it was a lesbian, rather than trans woman, it doesn't matter anymore 👀

    • @nightfighter7452
      @nightfighter7452 Před 4 lety

      Especially the kickline girls

    • @meagan8666
      @meagan8666 Před 4 lety

      gray73 I knew one of you would show your true colors and what this is really about for you. Regardless of who threw what....on behalf of the transgender community (at least those that feel as I do)......F-OFF!

    • @82566
      @82566 Před rokem

      100 % agree

    • @Tzinacacihuatl
      @Tzinacacihuatl Před rokem +3

      @@JR-qt8qb funny how that works huh

  • @VMoss
    @VMoss Před 4 lety +5

    This is such an amazing video. I made my family watch it (much to their chagrin as they were doing other things). But everything was perfect. Informative. Funny. And I saw some of my fav queens being interviewed. Amazing job Shane. Would love to see you with a series.

  • @marcos.666
    @marcos.666 Před 4 lety +13

    So glad that "Everyone Gets Stonewall Wrong But Me" season is over for the year.

  • @toshimaguyoftokyo8361
    @toshimaguyoftokyo8361 Před 5 lety +33

    The next year there were four parades, not three. Chicago had an original parade and has had one every year. San Francisco and Los Angeles have missed one year each, only Chicago and New York have had one every year.

    • @toshimaguyoftokyo8361
      @toshimaguyoftokyo8361 Před 5 lety +2

      @@shaneoneill8422 My basic way of figuring this out was to look at the count each city uses for each parade. Chicago and New York are at 50 and SF and LA are at 49. Each of those two cities have posted explanations, but I don't have the source at hand. I'll look for it. Owen Keehnen is especially the historian for the Chicago community.

    • @emjenkins464
      @emjenkins464 Před 5 lety +2

      There was also the first UK pride parade in London in 1970...

    • @toshimaguyoftokyo8361
      @toshimaguyoftokyo8361 Před 5 lety

      Was it the final weekend of June? Do you know if other European cities held parades in 1970? Toronto is also a possibility. The Chicago was actually before the other three in the US, as our parade was on Saturday and the other three followed the next day on Sunday.

    • @alysiamerdavid-wasser9165
      @alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 Před 4 lety

      @@emjenkins464 i think i saw THAT on the pbs doc. i'll search.✌

    • @djsmithusa
      @djsmithusa Před 4 lety

      You're right, technically Chicago had the first celebration the following year on the 27th while New York had theirs on the 28th.

  • @PsychoSavager289
    @PsychoSavager289 Před 5 lety +30

    Donkey Kong threw the first barrel at Stonewall.

  • @Acherus29A
    @Acherus29A Před 4 lety +14

    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid."

  • @metalcorequeen
    @metalcorequeen Před 8 měsíci +1

    It would be such an honor to meet someone who was at stonewall. Such a pincial moment in our history I could sit and listen to stories about those days all night

  • @mikayla7260
    @mikayla7260 Před 4 lety +2

    1:24 look at this amazing group of people who were comfortable being themselves back then within the right community, so beautiful and the history too

  • @kaseykaufmann3663
    @kaseykaufmann3663 Před 4 lety +13

    This showed up on my recommended now, a year later during the protests and riots. this is just crazy timing

  • @wericks3
    @wericks3 Před 5 lety +8

    Wow, thank you for putting so much work and research into this video. This was a fascinating and nuanced look at history. Great job

  • @Jovenza2
    @Jovenza2 Před 5 lety +144

    I am reminded of a quote from a western, THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE(1962):..
    ."This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

  • @parachute3725
    @parachute3725 Před 5 lety +24

    Great video Shane! I liked the in-depth analysis. I learned a TON about Stonewall

  • @churchghouls
    @churchghouls Před 5 lety +38

    Thank you for including the Daughters of Bilitis, I just finished a research essay on their impact on the history of the LGBTQ+ community

    • @Tzinacacihuatl
      @Tzinacacihuatl Před rokem

      Stop lesbian erasure! The historical revisionism of stonewall is also lesbian erasure. Whoever that butch lesbian was IT WAS A LESBIAN YOU GUYS

  • @the3spirit
    @the3spirit Před 5 lety +7

    THANK YOU for telling the TRUE story with people who were actually there, and for breaking down the myths surrounding this historical moment.

  • @Zeyev
    @Zeyev Před 5 lety +33

    Before Stonewall . . . even Wikipedia has a nice albeit probably partial list. My personal feeling is that Stonewall became more important because the mass media were more centralized in New York. So the 1959 riot in Los Angeles (with donuts!) and the 1965 and 1966 semi-riots in San Francisco did not garner attention because the New York press didn't care about "marginal" locations. Whatever the facts about Stonewall, it has given the world a recognizable name and date that we can use. Maybe that's enough.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_actions_in_the_United_States_prior_to_the_Stonewall_riots

    • @timmy841212
      @timmy841212 Před 4 lety +2

      New York had most of the mass media whereas Los Angeles and San Francisco didn't, surprisingly since you'd think California would have enough media to document it. Apparently they didn't!

  • @dina8542
    @dina8542 Před 2 lety +2

    As someone doing a 2 year research paper over the Stonewall Riots, reading the accounts from people like mark segal and then seeing them in interviews in simply amazing, thank you

    • @82566
      @82566 Před rokem

      Can I ask you wich book about Stonewall would give the most unbiased and factual account you've found so far ? Thank you 😊

  • @alexb1312
    @alexb1312 Před 2 lety +11

    Thank you for clearing this up. I’m so tired of all the misinformation related to stonewall.

  • @NightOwl_30
    @NightOwl_30 Před 2 lety +5

    That's what happens when your history teacher is twitter and instagram instead of a book and well founded research.

  • @shegua
    @shegua Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for all the research. Very interesting video and a very important part of history I didn’t learn in school.

  • @samanthablanchette
    @samanthablanchette Před 4 lety +1

    Outstanding!!! Thank you for posting this!!! XO

  • @keiran4572
    @keiran4572 Před 5 lety +51

    millie bobby brown threw the first sock at stonewall

  • @sparrowhawk4641
    @sparrowhawk4641 Před 4 lety +12

    😱 I didn’t know this! Lgbt history has to be told. It’s part of regular history, but it’s never spoken about. For example, when learning about the human rights movement at school, we only hear about MLK and PERHAPS Malcom x, nothing else.

  • @Clem62
    @Clem62 Před 5 lety +2

    Our community lost so many of our elders due to AIDS. It is so important to listen to those of us who actually fought for the basic rights we have now, finally. I worry that our history will be forgotten if younger people don't hear us. We are a perfect example of how oppressed people can rise up and make positive changes in society. We did it relatively quickly and with intelligence and determination. In Canada, we had the same battle and we won. We had our own Harvey Milk in George Hislop of Toronto. I am very proud to have been a part of the movement.

  • @jassyjass1586
    @jassyjass1586 Před 4 lety

    I’m so glad I found this video! I knew certain things about it from research but I still learned from this video!

  • @TheDeLucaShow
    @TheDeLucaShow Před 5 lety +18

    Well done, one of the best topic research OCs I've ever seen

  • @sweetpea3134
    @sweetpea3134 Před 4 lety +5

    Happy Pride everyone!! ❤️💛💚💙💜

  • @bunsyami
    @bunsyami Před 5 lety +2

    This is so important NY Times! Thank you for this.

  • @RFDeStefano
    @RFDeStefano Před 3 lety +1

    What an excellent video! History should be presented truthfully and we should not let it get twisted!

  • @toxoplasmagondi
    @toxoplasmagondi Před 2 lety +7

    istg if i see another comment saying "it doesn't matter who threw the first brick uwu" now that they know it was a black lesbian who did it i'm gonna commit a crime. i love how instead of trying to reivindicate yourselves and give credit where credit is due, you decide to take away all the relevance from the event now that it doesn't fit your agenda. it's pretty disappointing and it sure doesn't make me feel welcome as a lesbian at all.

    • @ashleybyrd2015
      @ashleybyrd2015 Před 2 lety +2

      Underrated comment

    • @titanblade3706
      @titanblade3706 Před rokem

      Agreed. If it didn’t matter who threw the first brick, then why were people continuously spread the message that TW did? OFC, LGBT contributed to help make LGBT’s human rights happen, but to brush off someone’s credit is wrong. Especially when they deserve it

  • @mac19019
    @mac19019 Před 5 lety +42

    I love this video. Because I am someone who is a huge LGBT+ history geek, and Stonewall has such a loving place in my heart. I've spent the last few years researching it and all the talk about who did what was always so messy. All I knew for sure was it wasn't Marsha or Sylvia, and I heard the clip of Marsha saying she didn't show up until it was on fire.
    However, I agree that it doesn't matter who was the first to throw whatever. What matters it happened. It was important. What Marsha and Sylvia did after Stonewall was amazing. And we should remember stuff like the STAR house when remembering their names. Maybe they didn't throw the first brick. But they did some amazing things.

    • @Fainora
      @Fainora Před 5 lety +20

      Except that it does matter that almost university the lesbian involvement in stonewall is erased and ignored. A trend that runs rampant in all lgbtq history.

    • @JR-qt8qb
      @JR-qt8qb Před 4 lety +1

      Since the one who started it was just a lesbian, rather than trans woman, it doesn't matter anymore 👀

    • @GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER
      @GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER Před 4 lety +1

      What other lesbian history is erased?

  • @StopThatSquirrel
    @StopThatSquirrel Před 4 lety +1

    This was super informative!! Thanks for making this

  • @AdderallPopsicle
    @AdderallPopsicle Před 4 lety

    Really cool to see Karla and Jim interviewed as well as hearing a clip of Sylvia after reading Martin Duberman's book on Stonewall

  • @David-sn9lq
    @David-sn9lq Před 4 lety +3

    Wow. This is tea. This really hits different in the last couple of weeks.

  • @Whosaskin
    @Whosaskin Před 2 lety +3

    2:34 is my favorite part, I don't know why it made me smile.

  • @mikee9851
    @mikee9851 Před 5 lety

    I love this! Congrats Shane, this is a great video.

  • @ImThatSami
    @ImThatSami Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for this video and educating me on something so important to me and our community 💖

  •  Před 4 lety +7

    It must be frustrating when myths and untruths spread and becomes common "knowledge"... people don't seem to wanna do their research... power to the
    people, comrades

  • @gadamis
    @gadamis Před 5 lety +4

    Thank you Shane. I really appreciated getting to hear the opinions of various applicable people. I've got some friends to enlighten!

  • @hungrysoles
    @hungrysoles Před 2 lety +1

    I'm glad you interviewed people who were actually at the Stonewall Uprising as to what really happened. The New York Public Library in Manhattan had phones you actual stories from the people who were there on the 30th anniversary in 1999. I was there. The David Carter history and a PBS documentary tell the story with great accuracy to cprrect the myths that have grown about it.

  • @wickedk47
    @wickedk47 Před 5 lety +2

    Beautiful journalism, thank you.

  • @andyiswonderful
    @andyiswonderful Před rokem +3

    I don't think it is OK to push a myth. That is absurd and manipulative. And why so self-appointed myth-makers get to distort the truth with impunity? disgusting.

  • @HarionDafar
    @HarionDafar Před 4 lety +10

    Yay! Finally some credit for Hirschfeld and Berlin! :) And I love the end of the video where people agree that singular and particular actions are not what makes history. this is a narrative westerners love, but what it is simply untrue.

  • @dmc8092
    @dmc8092 Před 4 lety

    Excellent video! There are so many myths and legends around Stonewall.