Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth story is a mess (101 Hours Later Spoiler Rant)
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:25 - Why I dislike FF7 Remake Story.
04:50 - Existence of 3 Separate Worlds.
05:50 - Design choices for the game Overworld and its expanded lore.
12:46 - Square Enix found a working formula with FF's Combat approach.
14:06 - How FF7 Rebirth handled Barret & Dyne backstory.
17:50 - Yuffie's character approach & story involvement.
19:46 - Bugenhagen and The Life Stream reinterpretation.
20:31 - Red XIII childlike nature is fully realized.
23:13 - Where does the Story of Rebirth pick up?
24:00 - Zack's involvement in the game's plot.
27:31 - Rebirth follows closely to the original game.
28:00 - Tifa approaches Cloud about the Kalm Flashback (Major Story Changes!)
30:38 - Cloud remembers killing Sephiroth (WTF!)
32:15 - Cait Sith's involvement is reworked in Rebirth.
34:57 - Aerith approaches Cloud about Zack (New Story Changes!)
36:38 - Crisis Core Cissnei is now involved in the story.
37:27 - The problem with breaking the game into 3 parts.
40:21 - What happened to Wedge?
43:09 - Too many plots are going on at once.
43:48 - The Hooded Men and their Involvement.
46:12 - FF7 Ever Crisis character GLENN has become part of the Rebirth's story.
48:14 - Gi & The Black Materia (New Story Addition!)
50:36 - Yuffie & The Wutai War (New Story Addition)
51:48 - Unnecessary story changes.
52:10 - WEAPON introduction, why?
54:32 - Sephiroth continues to ruin the game's plot.
55:18 - Tifa falls into the lifestream instead of Cloud. (WTF?)
58:00 - Odd changes were done to Cid.
1:00:40 - Vincent & potential Deep Ground involvement with the Story.
1:02:06 - The Multiverse Concept in Rebirth and its Problems.
1:04:17 - Zack & his impact on the Multiverse.
1:06:20 - Biggs and the Multiverse.
1:08:00 - The White Materia & The Multiverse.
1:08:50 - Different Zack's?
1:10:14 - Did Aerith survive?
1:12:51 - Square Enix tried to be clever and failed.
1:14:07 - There's more going on with Aerith than what is let on.
1:15:51 - Cloud's bond with Aerith.
1:16:46 - Zack and Cloud finally reunite.
1:17:30 - None of this makes any sense.
1:18:00 - Sephiroth's motives are still unclear.
1:19:00 - Conclusion - Hry
The guy cry about woke and when a game is not woke he still cry.
A game can be as unwoke as it gets, if it’s mid it’s mid.
@@Anayoth If you think this game is mid, you F crazy.
@@JulienMoutin Dude, Remake turned me the hell off from investing in this bastardization of a JRPG.
Seeing how they’ve handled Sephiroth pisses me off to no end, by the time they meet this man he’s virtually a god already.
@@Anayoth Oh good, a puriste.
Sephiros is not that good in the OG, sorry.
@@JulienMoutin
If I’m a purist, what are you? A contrarian? OG fans aren’t here to fight Tetsuya Nomura’s creative temper tantrums made manifest *cough whispers cough*
The absolute worst thing you could ever do to a story about accepting loss is to do tired multiverse tropes.
The T rating REALLY held this game back..
😂 SE is made up of clowns, they're catering or supposed to be catering to a fanbase that's mostly 30+ and think Going T rating was a great idea just because Modern 🤡 s think Smoking is M rated.
Yup. Particularly where Cid is concerned
The Trail of Blood scene was hurt real bad by censorship. Why is there alien blood everywhere? The scene is JENOVA/Sephiroth massacering all the humans,not tje other way around
@@jthecryptid Exactly. And Square also pretty much ruined Nanaki's or Red XIII"s signature scene in the FF7: Rebirth. The Zack reveal so early on also completely ruins Cloud's backstory because it spoils his pivotal moment in Disc 2 in the original game. I know Nojima and Nomura and Kitase didn't want to do a one-to-one remake of FF7, but how is changing the entire tone and major plot points supposed to honor the legacy of FF7 really?
@@jthecryptid
The trail of blood scene was also censored in Ever Crisis. It was turned into blue colored. 😅🤦🏻
I hate multiverses (in every universe).
There are some movies, books and video games that make good use of them like Xenoblade and Spider-Verse movies.
It's way too tempting to use 'em as a crutch for 'pull your OC out the fire you dropped them in, narratively.'
I also hate the multiverse. I guess it feels almost like a cop out whenever time travel is taking place.
Final Fantasy already has a multiverse, its called Dissidia.
I can't think of a way to wrap up the story in a truly satisfying way. If they make it so that there is only one prime timeline and the lifestream is no longer fractured into all these other realities, people will just be pissed that they introduced a completely useless plot device. If other timelines do continue to exist, then all the events we've been through are cheapened since there will just be different versions of our characters in other realities and it basically gives everyone their own fan fiction universe, and the worst part is that this would allow for them to milk DLC indefinitely.
Yeah it's a cop out to be please everyone.
I love the original Cid in FF7, he is everyone's favourite cigarette smoking, foul mouthed astronaut. Best character ever, this is unforgivable what Enix has done to him. Makes you wonder what they will change when they remake FF9?
Make all of the playable characters human, and strip it of any meaningful story probably...
I don't think they will do it now unless sales in the West are better than Remake. They will have to finish this out, but I don't think seeing continued diminishing returns is what they expected or wanted. FFIX would be a nightmare because it was intended to be what it was on the PSOne with a classic FF approach that current SE seems to loathe.
Put simply-- you cannot show a smoker or the act of smoking in a video game and still be rated T+. If you do, your game AUTOMATICALLY get an M+ rating. That was an ESRB mandate a year or 2 ago.
And since they voice act, he can't drop Fbombs in the form of &#$&
Sweet baby inc bro.
It would be nice if we could see a darker Cid, I could see him as the life of the party.
There should be a imaginary rule that story writers can't use time travel/multiverse as a main story element in games. Chrono Trigger got away with it, but it seems like games that use it to a small degree like Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time often works.
I dont mind time travel or paralel universes but it has to be done right,often its used without knowing how it works and that just ruins it,but in this game so far its actualy done wel
It's VERY hard to do well and advice given has always been don't focus on the time-travel. Focus on things effected by it, because it's impossible to make trime-travel factual before you end up having the plot fall apart doing so. The Time Machine is the example to follow, Stein's Gate did it well, but near all Square and Square-Enix's attempts have not been good.
It's as if a group of idiots praised nomura and claimed him as a figure with a master in multiverse themes that in every product he touches he has to add the theme, it's as if he doesn't know how to link the plots with his nonsensical arguments. SE need to dump that dude without time to even pack his office.
LOL! Sometimes I think Nomura should just stick to character designs and stay away from storywriting XD
I know right lol.
Kazushige Nojima wrote the story....
@@Drakan86 Nomura's the Director. The buck (yen?) stops with him. Some video I watched said it best: He's a fashion designer, not a director.
Yep. Nomura has complete control of this cluster fuck
Pretty sure if not for Nomura in the first place. Aeriths death wouldnt have been a thing. The original idea was to have most of the party die during the Midgar raid at the end of disc 2.
I’m still not convinced that the “multiverse” trope added anything to FF7R in the least. And after how many games they’ve used and abused that plot device, this was the last entry that ever needed it added in. We got tired of this plot point in every DC event comic, we don’t need Final Fantasy to keep unnecessarily repeating it either, especially not in a damn “remake” for a game that never had it or needed it in the first place.
I like the multiverse aspect when done right,it shows interesting different versions of the same charc even different outcomes of eventueel,i dont like it as plot device to just redcon things thats not how it works,you dont create a New future you create a New time line next to the original one
@@Marcustheseer To be fair, regardless of how events have transpired so far, everything is still lined up like the OG. Cloud is a mental mess, Biggs/Wedge/Jessie are all still dead, Aerith is dead ( ppl are lying to themselves if they believe otherwise ) Tifa is still very concerned with cloud's mental state, Sephiroth still wants to destroy everything. Ppl might not like how the story is being told, but all the main story beats and plot overall is still very much the same, with the exception of Zack being around which in all honesty has not hurt anything plot wise currently. Just need Pt 3 to see if they completely change things, but as it stands there is no new future yet.
@@themorbidkid187 ya kind ya the story is stil largely the same but these days some people like to complain allot
Michael Moorcock and Stephen King are the only ones that have ever done the multiverse thing well imo. I thought it was kinda interesting in Attack on Titan too.
@@nightmarishcompositions4536Attack on Titan didn't had a multiverse. It didn't even really had time travel, they weren't physically back in time atleast. Eren was able to send select memories of the future back in time and only to people who controlled the same titan he used.
Kingdom Hearts was a mistake. Enix should split from Square before they are driven to bankruptcy when they pull off their next Spirits Within.
I'd like to see Hironobu Sakaguchi return to Square Enix , but I don't know if he can save Square again for a second time?
He's done son
I enjoyed the first Kingdom Hearts for what it was, but the it all went downhill after that. Overly confusing, pretentious, and utterly cringe writing and original characters, masquerading as 'depth' (I presume). The initial charm and craziness of seeing Disney and JRPG characters in a crossover is long dead - especially as the Disney inclusions have gotten progressively more of an afterthought, serving as little more than padding so we can get to the 'important' stuff (aka: cringe Organization XIII, Sora and his fifteen clones, etc etc).
Then again, it's not like Disney would even let the developers do anything with their precious IPs other than rehash the existing plots from their respective films with little to no changes. I'm pretty sure Disney only ever approved this concept in the first place because they see it as nothing more than an extended advertisement for themselves.
Sacaguchi return would be epic. It would an amazing recovery for squaresoft! on scale with the massive failure the spirits within was
So in this remake their playing with the concept of multiple timelines, three of them, one with the main crew with cloud, one where Aerith is alive after city of the ancients, and one where Zack is alive, and at moments the alternate timelines converge together.
None of this was in the origin, and this kind of storytelling is troubling. Aeriths death was so impactful in the original, because she simply was dead, but her death allowed her to guide the lifestream to help destroy meteor in the end, making her sacrifice significant.
In this, by having her alive post her death in some capacity, it cheapens the magnitude of her death, because even if the others can't see her alterate reality self walking around, we can, and so we don't feel the same things that tifa, red, yuffie and the others feel.
Time travel and alternative timeline stories just make a mess.
Indeed. A multiverse means that the characters are no longer unique, and so it becomes more difficult to care about them and/or feel grief when they die. It's more akin to someone moving to a different town than having to cope with them actually dying.
If u would mind to look deeper into the story u'd see that the game isn't a remake. It is obvious that all we are playing is just a memory of Cloud's perspective. It isn't a traditional remake so it shouldn't even feel like the original which is a completely different game.
@@pyrytuomela that's one perspective
@@pyrytuomelaThat's not obvious, it is one of 10 million theories that are floating around and nothing more for the moment.
FF7 remake feels more like kingdom hearts now
I guess the writer can't separate between final fantasy and kingdom hearts....
no it doesnt
You clearly did not played KH.
@drsw36 random storylines that don't make sense. Needing to play games outside the main title to understand some of the interactions, plots, and characters. Nothing like KH 😄
@@sketchasaurrex4087he doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol
Damn dude. This was your Mount Everest. What a challenge!!! Well done!!!
So here's my thought: in Doctor Who, even though they can travel through time and space, the Doctor makes clear that there's some events in history that are hard coded to every reality. For example, no matter what anyone does, Pompeii will be destroyed and everyone will die. No matter what anyone does, it can't be changed, and attempting to do so will either fail at best, or undo reality at worst.
Aerith has to die and join the lifestream. The world can't be saved otherwise. Cloud can try to undo it, but the results will always be the same. I don't like this, but the writers have decided that some things just can't be undone.
Is this whole experiment just a fever dream of a bad writer? Probably. Is it just another way to cash in on nostalgia for better games in a better age? You betcha. Is this better than getting Forspoken 2? Getting several STDs at once would be better than that. Will it withstand the test of time and be looked back on favorably? Absolutely not.
The best thing to come out of this series is your video. You can barely contain your enthusiasm, and it's exciting just to hear you talk about it. Excellent work, ML. It's refreshing just to hear a gamer talk about how much they like games for a change.
This is turning into a great year for you, and I hope to see your continued success!!!
Bro, I love your comments because I always learn something from you. That Doctor's explanation really explains all of this perfectly. This game will be known for its controversy rather than it's legacy that they were hoping to strive for.
My copy of ff7(original) as well as a (dualshock 1? gray ps1 controller) just arrived in the mail today. Never played the game on the OG playstation. Have been collecting old games as of late and ff7 was the next game in line. Looking forward to playing the game again in the way it was meant to be played. As a drunk adult and on a crt tv with the OG playststion.
Totally agree with you on Sephiroth, he went from god tier villain to just a pain in the ass.
The messed my boy up.
I bet we will end up fighting a dozen different sephiroths in part 3. Nomura loves his shitty kingdom hearts villain tropes
Organization XephIroth. You fight thirteen (XIII) Sephiroths while teaming up with seven different versions of Cloud
@@N.i.E.M.O lol
@N.i.E.M.O It'll be Zack, Cloud, and Angeal vs a bunch of Sephiroths
Woooord! Been looking forward to this. 🤘
Honestly... The biggest mistake is the whole multiverse aspect of it.
The most annoying thing to me is that I cannot recommend this story to people who haven't played the original ff7 like my kids.
This game is too meta and ruins key moments for new people. This games is ONLY for hc fans.
And yet it seems intent on alienating hardcore fans. Much like the rest of the compilation.
The Remake Project is making me like Sephiroth less and less. He's boring and annoying. TALKS too much.
That's a Nomura trope. Keep popping the villain, and they constantly lose. No sense of a threat
@@923cronouh Nomura simps will say normura didn't make the changes,as if the directors doesn't touch story.anyone who play kh knows when Nomura hits the screen.ff community is so different now
Yep. Sephiroth has been getting consistently lamer with each appearance after the original game. He's been shoved in our faces far too much, to the point that even in the 'remake' trilogy, he seemingly shows up in person every twenty minutes or so just to remind you that yeah, I'm Sephiroth and I'm cool.
But it's just not cool anymore. The air of mystery and awe from the OG game is gone completely. I mean, by the end of Rebirth, Sephiroth has now had his ass handed to him over and over again by every main character in the game. Yeah, he's not dead yet, but it's just getting really silly now. I know people like Sephiroth, but they didn't need to shoehorn him into the remakes as the obligatory final boss every time in their drawn-out 'remake' trilogy based off of a singular PS1 game.
@@N.i.E.M.O This is true. Also, for how much they're shoving him in our faces, you'd think they'd do something interesting with him. Nope! Just villain time and boring and suddenly wants to bang Cloud. When did we get fanfic yaoi Sephiroth?
@@SephirothOwa13
They definitely did Sephiroth dirty. He was once of my favorite fictional characters back in the day, but these days I don't think much of him, mainly due to stuff like Advent Children, Crises Core, and the 'remake trilogy' progressively destroying his character. It really is a shame.
This is another reason why I downloaded a bunch of the incredible texture and model mods for the OG. Including a voice over mod!
that 7th heaven mod with the voice acting is PERFECT! Loving the OG again!
@@SILVERONINThank you for the info. Going to look for that mod now.
@@viruschris3160It's called Echo-S, enjoy! Keep in mind it conflicts with the ESUI mod, and maybe others but don't know.
@@viruschris3160 Yeah, that mod is awesome from what I saw.
Did you say multiverses and timelines? When did Disney marvel take over?
Lmao!
This has always been Nomura's style sadly lol
@@Molotov_Milkshake I am really getting to point where I am developing and deep distaste and vitriol for Multiverse storylines. Branching timelines and multiple worlds stories almost always are an excuse for lazy and desperate writers. I didn't even like "Spiderman: No Way Home" because of it, even though fanboys and fangirls seemed to love that movie.
@@LordMalice6d9 Totally agreed. It's extremely lazy writing for stupid people.
Square works with Disney. Yup
I liked Remake, but after the major story changes hinted at I decided not to buy Rebirth unless 100% of the story was spoiled first. Very glad I made that call, and will not be playing this game or the next.
Same, brother. I'll stick the OG with mods.
There were so many people interested in FF7 never played it
It would've been great to make something in modern times that you could walk off as "I played FF7"
But this is so meta that the O.G is almost companion material to it
I don't know if you mentioned this: they took away Cids smokes.
Ugh just like in Kingdom Hearts, whatever they stuck in his mouth...
They neutered his entire backstory. They gave him a goofy accent and I'm convinced he's got low T compared to the original Cid. What a joke
Cid's entire character was destroyed.
They took away his smokes so they wouldn't get a M rating.
@@SuperWallace78 God forbid you cuss out women and smoke cigarettes in a game where you have people burning down villages and impaling women with katanas
Best remake of the OG is the 7th Heaven mod for the original, it refreshed my love for 7 since the remake left a very nasty taste in my mouth!
Yeah, the mods are very good these days too. I think I have something like 17 or 18 mods running and the game looks and plays likes it's been remade in the Super Mario RPG style. True to the original but just better.
An hour and twenty minutes well spent. Appreciate the thoroughness.
Wow I really appreciate the feedback :)
They made an effing Schrödinger Aerith? Wow.
oh god i just finished and i can only say my god my head hurts after hearing what a vliter fuck this story turned out.
Was it really that difficult just to remake the story and just add some details
Especially if the results will end the same way, then what was the point in taking the story in this direction?
@@MugenLord Maybe it's to let people know that fate can't be altered, it may be delayed, but it will always end the same way. Aerith even says this in the game that the past can't be altered so focus on the future. Aerith, Zack, Biggs, Jessie and Wedge are all dead and what we are seeing imo are "worlds" and memories created by the lifestream. Sephiroth wants to converge all these lifestream memories so that he can control everything - Infinity itself and basically be a God! What a narcissistic prick Sephiroth has become! The Zack and Biggs stuff is just pure unadulterated fan service. After finishing the game there is an option where you can actually skip all the Zack interlude parts, and interestingly enough, it removes the Aerith dream date scene with Cloud.
While I understand the importance of the game expansion or being told in multiple parts, FFVII games size is 100 gigs. For one quarter of the games story. That's not a game. Its a demo with a sixty dollar price tag.
Also, I can't help but think of it this way:
Red Dead Redemption 2 has an install disc. The space required is 100 gigs. I havent played it, but Im willing to guess The game is longer to finish than FFVII remake, and has a larger world than FFVII remake.
The Witcher 3, which I have played has half the size of FFVII Remake, and probably has a bigger map than rebirth.
Lastly, Dark Souls 3 also probably has a bigger world than FFVII, and is merely just at least sixty gigs.
All of these games with the exception of one, came in one complete whole product.
Also, the first remake is for PS4, then PS5, now the second part comes out for the PS5 ... and not for the PS4?
My main point is this:
If this product has to be split into multiple parts, there has to be more pacing and theres none of that in the remakes. There's no pace because that would mean taking your time, and Remake doesn't wanna take it's time with the story or giving answers. Everything has to come at you at breakneck speed, so that you somehow] Don't notice the details.
If the story slows down for one second you spot the details, but if you say anything about those details that doesn't sound positive about it, you're the problem. For just saying anything. For any kind of criticism whatsoever.
Much like Remake, this game just seems like it wants to showcase a lot of nostalgic, moments from the original, but under a different context completely.
The multiverse and whisper stuff is not for me though. It really wants to make players think it is deeper than it actually is.
Surface level nostalgia sold to me like a Kingdom Hearts game just isn't what I was hoping for.
Not exactly sure why ppl keep mentioning Kingdom Hearts??? The story is not anywhere near as convoluted as the KH series and all major events thus far from the OG have come to pass in Remake and Rebirth so far, regardless of the order in which those major events transpired, they still all happened. It's rly not that complex to understand.
While the events in Remake/Rebirth are similar to the original, the intent and context are completely different. Personally, I'm not interested in this pretentious multiverse plot when the original had a far greater impact without it. Nor do I think its changes were worth splitting the game into multiple parts.
If you're into it, good for you. To me, this is nonsensical fanfiction.
@@CronoEpsilon I mean you can always replay the original for that experience, and is the exact reason why the Remake trilogy is not a Remaster of the original. It maintains the same story beats and is mostly pretty faithful to the 1997 game in the events department while making things feel fresh and new, along with much added character depth and world building. That is what makes the difference between a Remake, and a Remaster. Many individuals don't seem to understand or don't want to accept that, and just can't appreciate it for what it is, its own thing.
@@themorbidkid187 Yes, I could always play the original. Though, if I had that mentality for every remake, I simply would not look forward to remakes at all. Also, The game being its own thing doesn't mean it is exempt from criticism either.
For what its worth, I don't even think Remake/Rebirth are bad games. They look, play, and sound fine enough. Though, if I have to speak about the Story these games tell (the main reason I'm interested in Final Fantasy to begin with), I would say it is wasted on a game that clearly had a lot of time, budget, talent, and effort put into it. At most, the plot to me is just surface level fanservice intended to create mystery, discussion, and fan theories, contextualized around a plot that I don't care for.
It is, again, not what I hoped for and isn't worth buying in multiple parts. But, if you're into that, by all means.
@@themorbidkid187there are literally like 4 universe in the ending,ur right,its not hard for some1 who eats Nomura's story vomit...u
Obviously they changed Cid for woke reasons. Why else do you think they so drastically changed his story and character personality? Making him be in love with Aeris' mom was changed because we can't show him being mean to a woman. But they could have done that yet kept him as an asshole. But they didn't do that either. They changed everything about him. It's disgusting.
The multiverse trope needs to end. It is the absolute worst and lazy avenue of storytelling, allowing writers to write themselves into inescapable dead ends and then escape them because of the "lack of consequences multiverse". Death, bah.... Sorrow, meh... Why have all that when we can just bait your nostalgia and then flip it with soft landing in spectacle.
A mess indeed lmao. I'm glad you pointed out the whole Zack shit with him creating more universes (Zack plotholes) cause the entire thing with him towards the end was a complete mess fr. The whole Zack thing really becomes funny once you realize that they give you the option to skip his story segments after beating the game. Like they KNEW that shit was filler. 🤣
Another thing is, the whole thing with Cloud saving Aerith but not quite, I mainly looked at it as: "it was all in Cloud's head" rather than two separate universes cause of how it flashed from successful to failure (+ for shock value) and how Aerith basically only shows up "alive" for him specifically. Like she's still there in a sense communicating with him (like in AC) and helping him fight Sephiroth in that weird pocket dimension (idk what that was dude lol) but that sword still came down and killed her despite the lack of blood (i also thought that was cause of censorship🤷🏽♂️).
I apologize for the paragraph. I just have alot to say about how Rebirth played out. I believe the main goal with it is to mindfuck people whether it's newcomers or fans of the OG to keep us talking about it until they finish it. (Dosen't really excuse the piss poor Zack shit. Just fuck that character and his impact on VII 💀) Loved the video though. 🔥🔥🔥
Get it all out of your system! This is the place for it! Your complaints are completely legitimate!!!
I didn't know you can skip Zack's part after you beat the game lol. I'm planning a hard mode playthrough on stream this week, but I guess I won't be skipping it for those who are curious about it XD
@@100Servings Appreciate it.
Rebirth ain't a perfect title, no game is. But despite my issues with Rebirth's story (while minor pet peeves), I still loved the shit out of it. Like, my 1st impressions on Rebirth are a lot more optimistic this time around in comparison to Remake which left me highly disappointed and concerned for the future of 7R cause of how things played out. But I think the way they handled it this time around was a lot better cause they pretty stayed on track with the OG story (minus the Zack shit).
It's weird too cause personally, I really don't have too many problems with Rebirth's plot outside of Zack cause his inclusion really just makes it more convoluted than it needed to be plus ALL of his stuff is literally just "fanservice"/filler that doesn't really add anything to the overall narrative to VII.
@@MugenLord It's only a NG+ option from what I noticed but the fact that it's there in general is REALLY telling if you ask me. Lmao
I really think the point of Zack's inclusion is to explore the lifestream more. I think that is what we were shown in Rebirth, not alternate timelines.
Original is one of my fav games of all time. I played half of ff7 remake and for all the things it did well the flaws severely overshadowed it. How any fans of the original would like this mystifies me. However It makes sense that a younger generation who has only heard of but didn’t actually play through the original might like this. It’s a shame cause square had a real opportunity here and it won’t come around again. It’s kind of like how the original resident evil 1 is probably the best remake of all time because they updated the graphics, voice acting etc but they didn’t change the fundamental nature of the game. That is one ff7 needed. Maybe just a graphical overhaul and some new side quests and everybody would have been happy. What a shame
I'm 43 and i played the original decades ago, if this was an exact copy of the original it would be lame and boring. Did square take away your original game? The original will always be there for anyone to play, there is no need to make a copy with better graphics, they made a good decision by making a sequel to the original, even if it is a sequel/remake it's way better than just a reskin of the first. The story of this one depends on the original, the original already took place, now we have to wait and see if the final part will make it all good or not.
For your question on how can a person who played the original like this? It's because i know it is a sequel, and i understand that the original will always be there, this game is not taking anything away from me, that's why I'm excited and curious to see where this leads.
I only just played through OG FF7 last year and I still thought the changes in Remake were stupid as an outsider looking in.
@@Re-PhantomZero This arguement is dumb and completely falls apartwhen you actually remember that other remakes exist that manage to not be 1 to 1 copies of the original, while also not completely changing the thing into something completely different.
The pokemon remakes, Resident Evil
remake, basically every JRPG definitive edition ever, so on and so on.
@@Re-PhantomZero This comment, and every like it, also fails to understand that the major franchises that are in flames right now are in flames because the "sequel, prequel, extended material, etc" affect the view of the OG. This remake is way more shit as a sequel than a stand-alone version, since that means that there was always a multiverse bubbling in the lore of FF VII, but fate was not killed in the OG so it never started along with all other stupid new things. Every canonically linked media always retroactively inserts stuff into the OG and changes stuff, especially stakes (the reunion in the OG was about an alien becoming whole again, but now it is a multiverse threat). So it is really a total shit argument that shouldn't even see the light of day. The OG is still there, tarnished by additional bullshit, just like how many consider the compilation damaging the OG.
@@vincentgraymore this! People don’t seem to understand how this stuff can tarnish and re-contextualize the original media in a negative way basically destroying what was good about the original. Let alone the fact that cloud discovering he was the one who killed sephiroth is arguably the most important revelation in the entire game proves they have little real understanding of the source material.
Preach! You nailed it bro! Great video!
One of the best videos I've seen. You covered things I forgot about. Nicely done.
Thanks!
Unpopular opinion, but I think FFVII Remake was better written than Rebirth. I could replay that title multiple times and still appreciate most of it's story, it was the ending I hated. In Rebirth? It's just so convoluted and messy that it's made me lose hope in the series. Remake made me excited, scared, but hopeful.
Rebirth makes me feel disappointed. Don't get me wrong, fantastic graphics, excellent character moments, but it feels like it lost the essence of makes a story great.
This was funny, the no blood part, calling bizarro sephiroth safer sephiroth, then safer sephiroth the final sephiroth with one wing, the sprinkling of advent children without context, just really funny stuff. You should review the end of Final Fantasy 8, it would be very entertaining.
I really hate multiverse crap.
Nailed it on Barrett. His back story was one of the greatest reveals in the game and completely made his character super complex.
Finally!! *Preparing some popcorn & energy drink.*
Given his personality in the original and the obnoxious obsession of demonizing smoking in games, which they don't do with drinking, I don't doubt they censored his character; they used shitty writing to do so.
The game sold below squares' expectations. Period. I'm happy for the people who can enjoy the new story arch but for me, and many others, it's a disaster. And if I were a betting man, it is exactly why it is selling poorly. As big of a fan as I am, I dont think I care to play the last installment because of the story changes. All of my friends won't play the game because of the changes. But square will not take accountability and address this... instead they are blaming the market.
This is my assessment.
The good:
- More Yuffie.
- Visually is a masterpiece.
- The music.
- Tifa's tits.
The bad:
- How they massacred my boy Cid.
- Everything involving Zack
- A lot of unnecessary bullshit in the game, a lot it really pretty and the extra care to details is appreciated but that's exactly yhe kind of thit that overblowns the budget of AAA games.
- Temple of ancients resolution, it literally made me scream for how much bullshit i was watching, enough to stop playing the little remaining left for a week.
- Odin
- The fucking final boss, holy shit you were not kidding when you told me on X I need to repeat the whole fucking thing.
I told ya that last boss gauntlet was no joke lol.
everytime a zack scene start is skip the scene and dint bother, what the purpose to dig into a dead dude. Is like setting the road for 3 or 4 more DLC?
This was a really good review you told us you lied to dislike, but you kept it honest I do like that 🔥🔥🔥
I’ve read comments. Saying that re-showing the same scenes, but with updated graphics won’t be the same and it needs to change. My mind was…….the F!! I was mind blown by those statements and ppl in the west from the streamers and content creators loved it. Now, this game is pretty much a month old and it’s a total flop and the same ppl confused onto why it failed so goddamn hard in Japan. The cope was so deep that ppl aren’t talking about it anymore. Not even SE themselves announced how much units sold. The game is already forgotten. No talk of how this game is on par with OG FF7.
If I was a CEO of Square Enix, I would be livid, yet terrified because this company cannot afford any more Ls, more flops. This western pandering, fanfic has to go.
this game was not western pandering,its literally ff7
it floped in japan cause they aint having kids and the average japanese is late 30s and heavily over worked lmao
its not the 90s anymore
japan is a dying nation,too many old not enough young...and the young are too over worked to spend 101 hours on a game
@@random_an0n not only with less ppl, but floundering economy so it’s not a good idea to bloat the series with unnecessary slop. Not going to stop those who like the game. I still look at it as the future for Square Enix and a pivot must be made or will get bought and liquidate and firings will happen.
@@MasterOssy no changes need to be made,game was based.
@@random_an0n whatever you say.....
@@MasterOssy if you didnt play it you dont get an opinion,cause your opinion is just the salty opinion of someone you didnt play it and is bootyblasted for x reason.
people wanted a remake, not a reboot. i dunno how much people there are in the age range of 30-40 here but since the first ps2 tech demo of ff8 showed up people wanted a "remake" of ff7 seeing the graphical possibilities. Nobody wanted a change of story
A remake is not about changing its story but enhancing it, show more indepth on character as well like they did with Jessys sidestory about the mako reactor explosion being too big. Good they catched up on that; thats what a Remake is about.
People like to argue that a Remake is a personal opinion; no its not. because we still have the term "Reboot" which means telling a new story which FF7 basically is. Changed characters, locations, changed characteristics, pacing and other stuff.
Dear FF7 Reboot lovers; is it so difficult to accept that SquareEnix brought up false advertising by saying its a Remake rather than a reboot?
If they wouldve ended the Remake after Motorball without all the ghost-BS and Chapter 18 this couldve been a good entry to the Remake. But it wasnt...
Also I agree on Sephiroth showing up early in the Remake as well. Just destroys the immersion, as well as Jenova. The gf of my brother never played the og ff7 and when we talked about the ending she didnt understand a thing and she was really upset to some degree. Just shows that even people which didnt play the og wanted a "normal" game instead of some multiverse/different universe BS. People are sick of that. Just do a normal story with a normal ending.
Final Fantasy is anything but normal, which is exactly what makes it "fantasy". You have guys swinging around 300LB swords like its a tennis racket, all kinds of crazy ass mutated creatures, ppl that can use magic, airships that from a physics standpoint, would not fly successfully but does anyways cuz it looks cool design wise, giant kaiju planet protectors that show up when it is dying, the list goes on.
My point here is everyone can suspend their disbelief for all this crazy bs ^ but the moment they add in anything time/space related all of a sudden it is wrong? Not to mention the fact that we don't even have the full story yet and we have a bunch of ppl saying its ass already when nobody even truly knows wtf is going on exactly and won't until the final game.
Also, the actual definition of the word "Remake" - make (something) again or differently. Key words there, "make (something) again or differently" which is EXACTLY what SE is doing, so no..... they did NOT lie or mislead anyone, and is not SE's fault for ppl not having the understanding of the term Remake.
Also 90-95% of the story is unchanged across the entirety of the first 2 games, all the major story beats and events are for the most part still present, just told from a bit different perspective or told in a way that would make more sense in the modern age, and in most cases adds more depth to these moments granted not all the time. The character depth is better explored more than it has ever been. Everyone seems to forget that if things are indeed missing in parts 1-2 then they will most likely be addressed somewhere in part 3 but most ppl do not have the patience to wait that long. The trade off of this is we got much deeper backstory to each of the characters and much more in depth world building.
Sephiroth being shown early on is fine for both vets and new players in my opinion. Vets already know about Sephiroth and so him showing up early, messing with clouds head and seeing the dynamic between the two of them only adds to the experience as a vet. As for most new players I think it builds intrigue, as a new player will be wondering who Sephiroth is and wonder why cloud is having visions of him. There is a reason Sephiroth shows up as much as he does, and that is because this is not the same sephiroth from the 1997 original.
I understand these games might not be for everyone but they are definitely not for the ignorant or close minded. The game is not perfect, it does have some flaws of course, but overall I believe what it set out to do, it does, and does it well.
@@themorbidkid187 The copium is real... A remaster is a remaster, a remake is a remake, a reboot is a reboot and a sequel is a sequel. This game was marketed as a remake for ages so yes they actually did mislead people, stop coping and trying to redefine words or what was publicized. Plus the writing is objectively shit, if by doing what it does well you mean shonen level fan service then I suppose you are correct.
@@tigerfist341Bro stop being a hater remake is not a 1 for 1 a remaster is
Or they want to call it a sequel which is literally defined as a publication that continues a story of a previous installment. AKA a linear continuation of a story.
FFVII Remake being called a sequel is comparable to this analogy: I live 7 days, write a book about it, go back in time, live the same 7 days over again with some slight changes, write a book about it again, and call it a sequel. Wow, I'm such a clever writer!
Applied: Final Fantasy VII OG story occurs, we have that story from 1997-2020 (Everyone loves it), Sephiroth goes back in time, the same story happens again with some ridiculous changes, and they call it a sequel. Now we've opened up to time travel and Multiverses.
How can one story told twice in a row be called a sequel and not a reboot or reimagining?!
If you wrote a story like that in a middle school creative writing class you'd get an F! Because IT'S NOT CREATIVE! It's lazy and sloppy!
Imagine if Mark Twain wrote The Adventures of Tom Sawyer in 1867, published it, everyone loved it and then he wrote the same story a second time 10 years later in 1877 with some minor changes and then published it calling it a "Sequel to Tom Sawyer?!" People would think he was crazy! Nobody would buy that shit!
@@tigerfist341 The word remaster typically refers to audio but can also apply to video as well. In the case of a video game the word remaster means to remaster the music and visuals of a game. As in updating the graphics/textures ect... and or updating the audio that already exists from the original and that is it.
Remake means exactly that. To REMAKE it... Not mine or SE's fault ppl are fkin stupid and don't understand the difference between the two.
re·make
verb
/rēˈmāk/
make (something) again or differently.
Also seeing as you want to mention the word reboot as well. Normally this word is used when referring to a PC reboot, but can also be used in the context of the complete recreation of a series. An example would be the original Devil May Cry vs DMC. The gameplay is roughly the same, but everything else about them are totally different.
What's funny is you try telling me I'm trying to redefine words when they mean exactly what they mean, I guess the dictionary is wrong lmao.
All 3 words are in fact NOT the same thing. Now that I have educated you, is there anything more you need to get off your chest because you misinterpreted what they said and are unhappy about the resulting game which nobody forced you to play?
This game is a generic Ubisoft title grafted with FF7 as its skin.
God, I hope Squeenix is replaced with developers and leaders who actually understand and respect the FF franchise (or just gaming and gamers, in general). Like Soyny, their push for a "modern audience" is the reason why FF is dogshit, along with how badly they need to tard-wrangle their top dogs (Nomura, Nojima, Yoriyama, Kitase) yet don't. Give me big tittied Tifa in her original outfit and sailor-mouthed, smoking Cid!
At this point I hope they go bankrupt cuz Squeenix has given me zero fucks to care, given their record of separating integral story elements into other media projects to increase monetization.
Perhaps we need Hironobu Sakaguchi back, the father of Final Fantasy could pull this around?
It's even worse, because at least some of the Ubisoft side content can be engaging. The side content in FF7 remake and rebirth is just tedious garbage.
I FINALLY 🙄 got around to watching your review (my apologies, ML).
You make a passionate yet studied case against some of the narrative decisions that went into Rebirth and even Remake... versus the original. In particular, I was pulling my hair stubs out trying to keep up with the universe-juggling!
No need to apologize, this kind of video is meant to be watched whenever you have the time. You can just imagine my mind exploding with some of the nonsense in this game XD
How many Clouds are there in this world beside the one we follow? There is the one who is being dragged to Midgar by Zack. Then there must be at least a third one at the beginning of Rebirth captured by Shinra along with all the other doppelgangers of our party. No, seriously though, I couldn't care less. This story is the product of an autistic 12-year old's mind. Infantile, convoluted and an absolute waste to think about.
I really lament that they turned Cid into a turbo simp, not even close to being the same character.
Yes, perfect word to explain him. I was to excited describe him in my video and lost the word to describe him. Yeah, they made him a simp and not only that when he called Aerith Missy, she replies back "It's Aerith". She got offended by the word missy, that's not Aerith at all.
I knew there was something wrong with him because the way he acts doesn't suit his character design..and this is coming from someone who doesn't play original.
I feel like they will botch that scene when they parachute into Midgar once they return there....
Yeah not even close to the original Cid, who was the best Cid in franchise history
@@AmorFati777X Hadn't ever thought about that but yes, he was the best Cid ever and even though I think FF6 had the most emotional Cid Scene when he dies at least but yeah FF7 Cid is best Cid.
MugenLord's reaction to Maximilian Dood: "Even him... Even he... His facial expression, his body language, he was like "What the fuck is this?!" when he looked at it." LMAO!!!!😂😂
Bro, look at how stiff he was when that scene came up. Just compare to every segment he shows intrigue and excitement, dood went completely blank lol.
Which scene? The final ones?
@@MugenLord Yeah. But then he ignored critisizing it on Easy Allies' latest podcast that I watched yesterday. As far as I remember anyway. If he did critisize it, please correct me on that.
@@viruschris3160 Start at 54:03 for full context.
Bro he look so moody 😂
They really fucked up Dyne's story by having the Shinra soldiers kill him. Takes away all the impact of him killing himself in despair.
He said he couldn't do it which actually makes it more upsetting. He wants to kill himself but can't do it. He pushes Barret out of the way as a final act and gets 'suicided by cop'.
Much better than just jumping off a cliff almost out of nowhere.
@@lukedodson3441it wasn't out of nowhere, he already looked out of himself, as he says he basically lost his humanity, consciousness so he kills himself. The goofy sacrifice with him taking many bullets before dying was worse
A great video, that being said this whole story is just exhausting, and I'll be glad once that last part of the remake comes out and it can finally end.
Please don't spend more money on this trash.
wahou, thank you for the explanations because i just finished Rebirth yesterday and i didn't grasp it all. I played the original 2 - 3 times when it released, but i never played it from start to finish since then, so not only are my memories hazy, but the new story adds several new elements and some can only be fully understood if you notice little details (which i often missed 😅).
I liked the game 100% but the story of this episode is not its stronger point; I really, really, hope the last episode (and maybe an intermediate game, like they did with Reunion) will truly make the trilogy whole and the story really make sense once everything has been released.
Also, the Aeris final scene, in the original i really cried, and each time i've seen Aeris make appearances in different projects since, or hear her music, i have a tear coming; But here, i felt nothing but confusion and this is a real bummer because, in the original, it's THE defining moment why i i hated Sepiroth for real and wanted to hunt him through the universe. And this strong feeling was taken away from us and it's quite sad; Even the fight vs Jenova doesn't bear the grief like the original did (just because of the music).
Gonna be honest. All this sounds dumb as fuck. I said it before, but I'm just gonna not acknowledge any of the FF7 sequels or spinoffs, especially Remake. Even beyond the pants on head retarded story changes, the model can get fucked. They absolutely could've made this into one game, but chose to split it because money and because "Muh billion dolla open world". The fact that this is gonna end up spanning 3 whole console generations in absolutely insane.
That being said, I do look forward to playing FF1-12 + some of the spinoffs. Why only 1-12? 13 was my first FF game, and I dropped it after 2 hours. 14 Looks interesting, but it's an MMO, so fuck that. I followed the absolute shitshow of 15, and I'm not going anywhere near that. Then there's 16, which just looks bland as hell to me. On an unrelated note, the fact that both Final Fantasy (a turn based JRPG) and Sonic (a 2d mascot platformer) have both ended up as open world character action games is insane and sad in that "evolution" in gamig basically just means homogenization.
That's kind of my philosophy. There's only one FFVII Story and it occurred in 1997. Full stop. Everything else is DeviantArt fanfiction by a 53 year old J pop wannabe who dresses like he's 14.
As someone who beat 16, I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's one of the better modern FF games. Unlike 13 and 15, which both still haunt me.
I love your passion for the world and lore of FF7. We are in disagreement over Remake anf Rebirth, but that's no biggie. Keep that passion, buddy!
Thanks, nothing wrong with having different opinions on things we like :)
@@MugenLord absolutely! Been in love with this series since the original on the NES, still remember the hype around 7's launch, that shit was special, man.
The 'problem' with the ending, is that the game gives you all the pieces, but then pushes the player to putting all the pieces together to create meaning for the ending.
The problem is those pieces are fragmented nonsense.
@@Molotov_Milkshake I call those pieces very smelly organic matter
@@Molotov_Milkshakealmost look like there should be another instalment to complete the story... Oh wait
@@takeo_624 Ah yeah, just like the original game...installments 🤣🤣 I'm not remotely interested in playing any more of this trash. I've seen how ridiculous they've with Rebirth and it's pathetic.
@@Molotov_Milkshake Basically every critique of this game I've seen from ff7 fanboys is some variation on "I'm mad the 2nd game in this trilogy ends on a cliffhanger"
Does Rebirth actually remember Tifa's Dad's name later on? I notice in the flashback scenes he is just called 'Tifa's Dad' rofl, like they forgot he was called Brian.
They made Nanaki sound like fckn Tidus . . . It's unbearable
Correction;
Sapphire, Diamond, and Ultimate are the three main WEAPONS in the original. Ruby and Emerald were optional superbosses.
Sapphire gets shot by Sister Ray in a cutscene, Diamond also gets blasted after a battle, and Ultimate is fought in several story centric places.
Yea, that was a mistake on my part.
When you walk away
You don't hear me say
Pleeeeease, oh baaaaby, just go
Simple and Clean was the way that it should have been released
It's allll a meme
While I can't say I've seen the real impact/point of multiverse stuff yet, I've loved the overall additions and direction of the story so far. Leaning even further into Cloud's broken mind is something that will pay off huge in part 3, and it was always the main story point of the OG.
Honestly i expected an alternate story. The beginning of part 1 with Aerith made me think so. She is the last surviving ancient after all.
I’m working right now, just saw this vid, and can’t watch it yet, but let me thumb this vid up rite quick cause I HEAVILY agree with the title. I was right to be cautiously optimistic about future titles after Remake’s garbage ending 4 years ago, Rebirth’s ending didn’t leave as bad a taste in my mouth due to my low expectations beforehand.
The whole unaliving sephiroth... you knw the sephiroth we met before the north crater is just jenova, right? Ultimately, it doesnt matter if cloud remembers unaliving him or not, since the real sephiroth has always been sealed away in the north crater.
I personally was hoping for them to hold off on the weapons until the crater and wasn’t a fan of the fish look to them. Really hoping they do homage to ruby, emerald, diamond, and omega in the final game. Also I love the OG cid from ff7 and hope they up his spunk in the next game.
The devs said it will link not lead into AC which could mean anything and would not dwell on it too much. As far as the multiverse thing it might not be as it seems. The lifestream is made of the memories of those who lived and died, it could be that the planet after the events of the first game is having a 'Cloud' moment and creating false memories due to jenova's spiritual form now having free roam in the lifestream. This in turn creating a lot of negative memories causing the lifestream to corrupt so that Jenova/Sephiroth can kind of feed of it. Zack is a kinda like Tidus at the start of FFX. FF7 OG is what the planet wants to happen all humans dead and Jenova/Sephiroth trapped in it's prison that why they refer to it as bad in the first game it still did happen and is not a different timeline. As for Sephiroth he still wants the same thing to travel the cosmos and corrupt and absorb everything. But who knows for sure we won't know for sure till the last game.
After playing this games story, I don't even believe the development team know exactly what it is that they want to accomplish. It feels like they are trying to satisfy both sides of the fandom and ends up becoming a mess of a plot. One more game left to go, let's see if they will stick the landing with this story because if it doesn't this will blow up in their face.
Note: I will be live streaming tonight to have a discussion about the game and FF7 in general around 6pm EST.
You the same type of person that thinks KH is too convoluted? LOL
"Creative business division 1" aka devs for this game cannot tell a coherent story even if their life depended on it.
@@kyero8724and you're saying it's not?
Bro. This is the best break down of the rebirth story I've seen thus far. I swear I was so confused and hated how convoluted parts of the story were. But still enjoyed the game regardless.
Wow, thanks bro glad I was able to break this down for ya XD
The big dealbreaker for me isn't just the story, it's that the post-story content abuses the players time. Brutal challenges are one thing, BUT when the player needs to re-do a bunch of fights they have beaten before, several times, just for another attempt to practice where they failed, it becomes a tedious chore. Think of it like this. There is a half hour cutscene you need to watch prior to fighting an extra hard boss, capable of one shotting you. If you fail an attempt, then you must sit through that half hour cutscene again. You have to pay perfect attention to that cutscene or it to will restart. - That was my dealbreaker in FF7 Remake with the post story content, and after beating them I was pissed at all the time wasted. Rebirth tripples down on the boss rush challenges, and again, forces the player to re-do stuff they already know they can beat, but in an extreme time wasted way. The OGFF7 had some tough boss rush stuff at the Gold Saucer, but it was nowhere near as much of a chore. I'd rather be washing dishes. At least then I could listen to a podcast and not need to pay perfect attention to the repetitive chore.
This was a good video
I agree on everything, Also your hair reminds me of Laguna
Wow thanks, I seriously thought no one would watch this because of how long this video is XD
heard about the end , i cant say im surprised they would mess it up
Final Fantasy 3 and 4 on the DS are better remakes than the entirety of FF7R trilogy
Thanks for the video, much love. Loved a lot in the game, but the continuation and escalation of the stupid stuff is too much to bear.
No prob bro!
1:13:21 in the remake universe she’s dead. Cloud create an alternate timeline when he saved her just like Zack did when couldn’t decide to see Biggs or Hojo
Too all those Remake Fans who ask how we wanted a remake to look like:
Watch no further to the Resident evil 1 remake.
Itts just perfect. Same Story, same gameplay, it obly adds, it doesnt take away and it doesnt change the story,.
And even the other RE remakes are not bad, Even though they change a lot of the gameplay but at least they keep the story.
Not RE 3 remake. And people want a FF7 remake in third person camera. So stop saying bullshit.
@@JulienMoutin even the RE3 remake is a million Times more faithfull to its original then ff7 remake and rebirth
It did boulder puncher Chris from the future punch Nemesis into an vulcano and then tales Jill into the future to fight a fate god?
@@RealEvilLordExdeath You are on Drugs ? Wtf are talking about ? No, Re 3 remake is not faithfull at all.
@@JulienMoutin morw than this ff7 trash
great video
Woot! Thanks!
Been watching your video on some occasion. And I belive, your whole video is on point. My biggest problems with the game however is how they handled this whole mess of a plotpoint.
Not sure if you mentioned it, but they also f*cked up Dyne's death. In the Original, it has so much impact and tells us, that we should never, ever become what we hate: Our worst enemy is ourselves. For the context, there was a dialogue that was cut out in Rebirth. That dialogue, was when Dyne talks about visiting Marlene and "sending her after her mother". Plus in the OG, Dyne realized after the fight, that he also lost something "irreplaceable". Mainly, his humanity. So he tosses his pendant to Barret, tells him to show it to his men and give it to Marlene. And Dyne wanted Barret to promise, that he shall never make Marlene cry. In Rebirth, not long after the "How could I ever hold my daughter ever again" line, Shinra soldiers show up out of nowhere and Dyne goes down in a hail of bullets (WTF?!). And then Dyne literally smites Barret, telling him that he should live with his regrets forever.
Also...The optional date. Personally, I don't mind the pairings you can make in Rebirth. But I do mind one thing: Shipping Wars. You might not know the series called RWBY, but that show was partially destroyed, because the writers decided to give in to the loudest voices of the community. Mainly, the shippers, who wanted their favorite ship to become canon. And I have a sneaking suspiscion, that Nomura and the writers also made the same mistake. Like I said, I don't mind any of the pairings, especially the Cloud x Tifa pairing. But that must have raised a huge number of people into toxicity and begun to harass others, if they disagree. Personally...I would prefer to pair canon characters with my OCs, but I'm afraid that I would relive some unpleasent memories... 🥺
There is also the ending. I wanted to add some addition on this. I belive that the writers wanted the emotional impact from Aerith's death. But they didn't actually wanted her to begone from the story, so they decided to cheat instead. And my book says this: If you want your audiance to cry over Aerith's death, then kill her off. Plain and simple. If you want to commit yourself to the changes, then don't kill her off. Have the others show up as Cloud and Aerith fights Sephiroth and saving her will be guranteed. However, the writers did both cases. Which came out as confusing, emotionally manipulative and nostalgia bait.
Sorry for the kind of long comment, MugenLord. But this is my personal thoughts. I hate the changes they have commited... And I cannot possibly think what the writers will do during the third part, considering on what Nomura and the other devs said. For example: The devs said, that it doesn't matter where Aerith is, Sephiroth always kills her off. And when I was reading the comments about Nomura wanting to give the remake trilogy a happy ending then two examples came to me. KH3 and FF 13 Lightning Returns.
It's all good, totally understand where you are coming from with your comment :)
@@MugenLord
Kind of a late reply. But I appreciate the understanding. Many people are possibly afraid to say it loudly, that they were disappointed in Rebirth, because if they do that, they upset the people. Mainly, the hardcore fans. 🥺
And I'm so sick of it... We should be able to think, using logical sense to comprehend the story. We should be more open minded, because if we won't do that, we just becoming a mindless robot, who consumes everything without logical sense. We should handle criticism with more respect and care, not with anger or blindness.
We all might have different thoughts, but we should respect opinions and discuss it maturely.
What were they thinking? To pander to dumbass's instead of just simply remaking one of if not the most beloved game of all time. Last Square Enix game I'll ever play.
I disagree about the gongaga. I like they introduced Concept of traversing the lifestream early. With this Tifa would later be more help navigating it with Cloud.
Sephriroth in the original is ominous, but his motivation is clear. Now he's like an insane ex girlfriend who makes no sense, never shuts up, and it feels pointless fighting him because this universe has no rules, and no real stakes...
Crazy that this is considered good content in 2024.
18:47 they sure did incorporate yuffie clean. I’m excited for Cid and Vincent.
Thanks for the video; it was great. I sympathize with you since you have to get through all this. I actually did not think it was possible to drop the ball so hard on a classic, and now I'm happy for videos like this since it helps to avoid this type of horrible fan fiction. Now I'm afraid if they decide to do a "remake" of Chrono Trigger, if they will do the same thing, I hope another team makes it. The Star Ocean remake was good. Thanks again. Continue with the good work
No prob, I love FF7 in general, so I was going to play this game no matter what, just as I did Crisis Core, which I hated. This video is for those who are on the wall when it comes to determining if they want to give the game a shot and for the fans of the original who won't play this game but still wants to know how bad they fucked the story up. We have one more game to go, and finally, I can put all of this together to make sense of it all.
I completed the game in both normal and hard mode...and I can sum up my thoughts in one statement.
They are doing way too much. And I mean this in both a good way (Mechanically) and DEFINATELY a bad way. (Story, characters and the multiverse crap.)
It's not to lead into advent children. This is a sequel to the original game and advent children. From what I can tell, the sephiroth from advent children is somehow able to send his mind into the past and is trying to change everything.
It's not a remake in the sense of the devs remaking the game for us, its a remake as in sephiroth is trying to remake the universe in his image.
It's nomura, what did you expect.
They ruined Cid. They ruined a very heart felt moment with Barret and Dyne by having us fight Palmer in a goofy scene.
Sephiroth is just some annoying villain spouting convoluted bs at eveey 5 minutes in the game.
They made Cloud into a schizo instead of someone who is under Jenova/Sephiroth's control.
They turned Vincent into some Shinra grunt when he would never stay working for shinra after what they did to him lol. Wtf.
Yuffie is annoying af and always running away for no reason. Talks about materia all the freaking time! Wtf! Give her an arc, wheres Wutai??
Also, whats their obsession with musicals and goofy scenes? It takes away from the seriousness and creates a big disconnect.
You liked Nibel? Heck no! That was supposed to be a Shinra conspiracy and cover up and they turned it into some care for jenova dudes? Who are those families and children then?
Aerith's mom was shot and was dying but they just daid oh she was frail hahaha. Shes an ancient, but she's frail? And Cid knows her now?? And he didn't notice the woman was dying but was thirsting after her???
Sephiroth is the last boss of eveu installment now and that dude is not a threat like in the original. I don't feel any stakes that are high here. He's just some goofy villain now and we know we beating him eveey turn.
well people wanted to save aerith since 1997. It did but in a very confusing manner lol. This is why I always suggest people to go the aerith date because otherwise its gonna feel like they skipped an important cutscene that would had made the ending more relevant.
the music is 10/10
mini games are so so, some fun some others are a tedius chore
I enjoyed the chocobos a lot
some scenes where great "like the loveless and aerith singing her love letter to cloud"
Final boss is too long
sometimes the whispers "feelers" wouldnt let you appreciate the scene or enviorment.
Thank to that T rating and all the censorship, we will never get to see the Reactor scene in its full weight and brutality. Sephiroth should be steeped in the blood of innocent villagers, his guts spilling out from the gaping wound in his side, a rabid monster.. and Cloud, this country kid who thought he was nothing, defeats THAT.
Wait, so according to your take at the end, Aerith pulled an Obi-Wan Kenobi and became one with the Force (Lifestream)? That actually makes sense. Is that why they didn't show Cloud submerging Aerith's body? Cuz there's no body at all in the Remake timeline. Still, I agree the multiverse stuff just makes everything else unnecessarily convoluted.
That's a great observation, I was mad that they never showed her body dropped into the water. There maybe a reason for it or SE just fucked up one of the most iconic moments in the game.
Maybe they did submerge her body. They just didn't show us that... I mean something was done, it's obvious when they are all sitting by the water mourning except Cloud. Possibly Tifa submerged her since it seemed to bother her the most. Cloud doesn't see Aerith as being dead. So in his mind she is still there. All I know for sure is this is an absolute mess! We've gone from two or three multiuniverse to several now! It is so bad that I don't think they can even begin to explain it so it makes any real sense now... Totally gotten out of hand!
Not to mention Clouds mind is so fractured... We don't know what is true with anything regarding Clouds narrative. Then you throw in all of the multiuniverse crap they got going on. Pretty much impossible to decipher out anything substantial in this story now.
This is what happens when you give Tetsuya Nomura complete control of the story.
Bless your heart.
so are we still going to see tifa and cloud in the lifestream in part 3
I think we will. I think Tina falling in is a kind of prelude to it. Since she has already been there she can help Cloud navigate it.
@@Duckywallpaperexactly. You get it. It’ll make more sense with her being there once before.
Cause of the topic I thought you said “MoogleLord” in your intro. I’ve been watching too much Final Fantasy content lately…
Lol!
I thought the game was incredible. I love what they are cooking for part 3
It's a shame that Vincent and Cid aren't even playable in this. Cid didn't have to join even in the original. Had he not been dealing with Shinra trying to use his rocket, he could have been an NPC in the original as well. I am greteful he was playable years ago. The modders for 7th Heaven are the MVPs making the original feel like a remake with the crazy mods they have been whipping up. Now there is a mod with an expanded story for Jessie.
Thanks for the good analysis of the game.
I did not like overall plot of rebirth at all. And i can feel that writer is the same as in KH1, kh2 and ff7 compilation
- Sephiroth is an annoying, uninteresting character. Also it feels that he wants to Kiss Cloud or smthg
- story is very slow
- character development is missing for some characters, because plot is splitted and we should expect characters growth later
- there were some strange logic of the characters. And sometimes you feel that characters even dumb.
- Zack should be important only as a character for Cloud character arc in the memory section. Other things with him are not interesting at all and fan fiction for me
- multiverses are not interesting
- due to rating and overall style, the game missed horror/dirty style of the original. No massacare, blood, scary seph/jenova alien stuff, Cid is very polite man, Dyne suicide.
- Dyne arc was done good, but ending suffers a lot due to meaning and what character says to Barrett at the end
I am not expecting anything from the third game. Same as i was not expecting anything from Rebirth after Remake
New to your channel and loved hearing your thoughts on it. From my perspective as on OG FF7 fan. Damn .. can't believe im already close to pushing 40 😂. But back to this game... I don't see the overall change, its still very much the old Game we grew up and loved. Minor little changes sure but it has interrupted the overall scale of the story events weve come to love, not yet anyways. We will just have to see what happens in the final game. Aerith is dead. As long as they keep her that way than im cool no matter how they flesh it out. As far as Zack and Cloud fighting side by side, that was no doubt fan service. Not gonna lie, that shit was awesome 😎
Let's hope the 3rd game sticks the landing XD
As for someone who didn't play the OG when it came out. I somehow missed the FF7 train growing up. All I can say is this. Final Fantasy 7 Remake got me into Final fantasy franchise. Now Final fantasy 7 Rebirth makes me wish I never played the games.
I dont see the point of the Trilogy. It will take 12 years and almost 210 dollars for a full experience. For a story that is 90% the same and 10% different. Its whats the point of it? I understand all roads leads to Advent children and Dirge of Cerberus. Im more curious about Dirge of Cerberus now.
I have no attachments to the OG story or OG cast. I do hope we get a multiple endings like Chrono Trigger. You get the bad ending where Sephiroth wins and you get the good ending where everyone is happy. This story is all over the place. But it probably will end the same way as the OG game.
Just disregard this dumpster fire and play the OG FF7. It's still a great game.
@Molotov_Milkshake
That is an excellent point.
@@lunarkrueger3341 Enjoy!
@@Molotov_Milkshake
Thank you.
I didn’t get the game but kept my eyes and ears on this game. Just like I expected.
The gameplay does look fun and I don’t mind it even though I would’ve loved a return to Turn-Based.
When people wanted a Remake we wanted the original game and it’s story with new graphics, fix some old issues, and enchant and expand on character and lore.
We didn’t want a Reboot. I hate how Remake is being misused nowadays.
I never wanted an Open World for FF7 especially with how there’s too much stuff. Even the Chocobo bits look bad except for swimming.
They even changed characters like Cid! I’m happy Yuffie and Vincent get expanded on, but sheesh the story is awkward.
The whole timeline thing is ridiculous. You can blame Kitase and Nojima for that (Nomura has nothing to do with FF7R’s story) especially when Kitase is ashamed for the OG story for whatever reasons.
Splitting the game into three parts. Why not have a single game with two discs or compressed everything in one disc?
People say they didn’t have the technology to remake 7. Technology for what? Adding the Whispers who shouldn’t exist?
I wanted a Remake to give a fresh coat of paint and re-live the old game in a new way for even newer generation to experience what we experienced.
I knew they screw up the story, but man they dropped the ball. I was so confused on how they handle Aerith’s fate. I was shocked in the OG… Remake thought it was stupid.
Even Dyne’s backstory got nutted. Him taking a nosedive to show how far gone he was and didn’t want his daughter to see him like this and gave Barrett his blessing.
Remake took a dunk on it.
Sorry for the rant. I just don’t like how Remakes are being handled nowadays compared to RE1 when that’s still the best take on Remakes in gaming history.
If they had returned to Turn Based, then I would have bought it. I'm replaying FFX and loving it.
@@ffviifakeremake9997 Yup. Turn-Based can be really fun! I like to see them expand on Turn-Based with interesting mechanics.
It’s not really multiverse , it’s more about the lifestream holding their memories and being used a plot device. The multiple worlds won’t be used like a marvel movie , they’ll all come together
This is a distinction without a difference. The scene where AU Aerith gives "prime" Cloud the White Materia so that he can use it in the "prime" universe CLEARLY shows that the alternate universes are tangible--they are REAL places with real, corporeal people and objects; not illusions or hypothetical visions of what could have happened otherwise. Handwaving it as "lifestream shenanigans" does not change this fact. Actually, trying to handwave it as "lifestream nonsense" just makes it worse, because it makes even less sense than if it were a conventional multiverse. Sephiroth's line about how: "THE PLANET (singular) encompasses a multitude of WORLDS (plural)" is one of the stupidest oxymorons I've ever heard. It's FF7R's equivalent of FFXIII-2's: "If you change the future, you change the past."
@@obsessive_hermit Its not tho. @Salmark9080 is right. The lifestream and its multiple worlds which was created after Sephiroth consumed the whispers at the end of Remake are made up of hopes, dreams and memories. This is also why the materia is able to be transfered, because materia is made of Memories/Prayer. Also, the materia was never physically handed off to Cloud, it was a symbolic transference of memories.