Grow for yourself. If you can't, push for places where you can. There is no better weed than that which you've grown yourself. If you're not free to grow for yourself, it's not legal. Licensed growing is not legalization.
As someone who lives in Ohio, the reason it didn't get legalized is because of the way they tried to institute it. If I remember right, there were only going to be 4 authorized suppliers that were all tied together. Then it started getting spread around in the local media that it would essentially be a monopoly here, which pissed off a lot of people that wanted it legalized, but not legalized that way, so they voted against it. Damn shame, too. It pretty much boiled down to the organization that pushed for the legalization wasn't doing it because it should be legal, but because they were just trying to make people that were already millionaires even richer.
Facetentacles They are trying to do the same shit in West Virginia. Some of our lawmakers have edited the bill a whole lot better but doubtful it'll pass. WV will always be a slave state where the people can never win but outside people can rape our state and nothing changes.
@Natty Fatty Powerlifting lol that's how I feel, never been there but know a couple homies from there and my friend lived there through high school.. I'm from Tennessee but I understand Ohio is the Alabama of the north
Yeah but why does weed have to account for 39% of that in the whole realm of taxes especially when bigger sums of money seem to continue to go tax free in comparison to the majority average or below?
Are you telling me that California isn't good at letting business do what it needs to and instead adds licensing to keep smaller companies down?! That's crazy talk.
Weed is called weed for a reason. It's a weed. This is not a manufactured product (like a car). In most places in the country, it can be grown at home. In my state, I can legally grow three plants in my back yard. Yet, somehow, this has still been turned into corporate profits and tax money.
Sure you can grow weed at home but if you want high quality weed or some kind of extract like an edible, hash, or a tincture then it becomes a manufactured product.
We have a chance here in NJ to set it up the RIGHT WAY. I’m watching the people and the process. So far, it’s a cluster f@ck with nothing productive happening. It’s a shame.
i had a talk about Ohio's medical cannabis with a cannabis lobbyist and talk about this issue where there are only a couple of distributors. the reason for the 4 for right now is because of something with the high start up cost/ insurance, something like several millions, that no local business could be started up. Also with mini farmers, in Michigan, i dont know the process there but anyone living in Michigan can grow and sell their cannabis to a distributor. The problem with that according to the lobbyist was that it would be really hard to regulate that because you dont know what people are using to grow their pot. Thats why ohio doesnt allow people to grow their own cannabis. Its easier to regulate for the highest quality of pot if we farms are there.
same in chicago,,,i pay 20 a gram for flower,60 an 8th, 120 a quad, 420 an ounce,,, 70 for a gram of shatter,,,and yeah this is at a medical dispensary
The legalization of weed in Oregon has dropped the price dramatically. But Oregon also made it legal to grow your own plants where other states have tried to stop people from doing that and that you can only buy from them.
Wait till it’s legalized federally. Big companies will start competing with one another and produce super cheap weed. Unless just one company monopolizes it. And once these companies start making big profits they’ll lobby to get taxes down and it’ll be treated just like alcohol. We’re having this problem because it’s only legal in some states and it’s in very early stages right now. I’d rather have expensive legal weed than saving money and having a fear of being arrested.
The look on Joe Rogan says it all...But, I agree with Killer Mike. Marijuana should not be in the hands of corporations. There shouldn't be a monopoly of any sort.
In Ohio the only way to pass the leagal marijuana law is to have 2 companies grow and distribution but the people who run it where against leagal marijuana laws until now.
My mother lost her small grow.. the price dropped per pound from 2,500 dollars to 1,300 a pack in a month. And the licence to sell to dispensaries legally was 1 mill.. fucked everyone.
Virginia’s bill was for 5 companies to have a complete monopoly on the market. A small committee was in charge of approving applications and making the selection, and 3 of the 5 are from out of state. Wish we could lobby for change but there is already too many hands in the cookie jar.
He's right on about the taxes not going where they are supposed to. It's the same scam as the Lottery. Great guest! Oh, and subscribe to my channel please!! lol
Ha! Imagine California over taxing something without any return to its citizens. Worse... not realizing how utterly stupid it is to be surprised by that... and how stupid it is to keep voting for politicians whose careers depend on continuing the status quo. 🤪
The bill in ohio , where it only allowed 2 monopolies to grow and sell was worded to be mistaken for the opposite. So many have said they ment to vote the other way it confused them. Look for that youll see how the corruption from the get.
There doing it right in Washington state. They're putting money into the public schools. And now have started a program, where, if you graduate from Seattle public high school, they pay for 2 years of community college. And with all the wealthy people in Washington you know all the rich kids are going to public schools.
3 acres of bud for a 100? Ive grown for 3 years and states go by full grown plants mostly. If citizens were able to grow 3 acres per it would ruin the Goverments plan on taxation
FlourishWitherDie theres always gonna be some shady black dude down the street growning four five plants in his mom house shet is like that in the hood there always be street dealers
If you are allowed to grow your own I think it’s great. It’s just sad to see these companies profit off of all the pain and suffering that’s been happening since 1937.
We need to just have the government subsidize the weed market, and reap the benefits by increasing the state tax. We should run it kind of like Utah’s liquor sales except this is America we’re capitalist we will allow competition, however, the state run dispensaries should be able to have a lower price due to higher taxes. The main reason to due this is to put less regulations on growing, therefore making it not cost $10,000 just to put in application to have a reasonable farm. Pot & hemp are cash crops we need to start up in the US, but the most important part is making sure local governments & Education get the majority of the profits for funding
an ounce of weed for 320$... holy shitttt.. i can get a kilogram or two of the highest quality hash for that money where I'm from.. but then again i live in the third world and would get 6 months minimum if caught.
In America, if you help ppl too much it's considered Socialism which in turn leads to communism . And we can't have that, Americans would much rather see you , themselves or even their own family members suffer then to have any help from society .
If you want to treat marijuana like medicine then yea, you gotta make sure someone who grows out knows what the hell they're doing. Jimmy from the block isn't capable of measuring THC and CBD ratios. Sure, higher underprivileged folks to do the labour, but you can't give a dude a lab coat and expect shit is up to code now.
This is completely incorrect. In all the places where they allowed high quantities of growers (Oregon), the prices have fallen through the floor and now they're all much more broke than when they started (because of all the investment costs). In Oregon, you can get a pound for ~$200, in CA, it would be $2,000. It's good for the consumers, but Mike is talking about the producers, and lowering limits actually fucks the producers more than it helps. Also, with more stores open, the best stores will eventually expand and take over all the other stores, just like with supermarkets. If it becomes federally legal, companies with DEEEEEEP pockets (Coke, Marlboro...) will simply come in and buy every single competitor, get all the licenses to themselves, and then run it like a conglomerate. If you want to get rid of the black market, the price will need to be driven down low enough to not make it worth it to try to grow unlicensed. There's a reason people don't bother making\selling moonshine, because it's much cheaper and easier to walk to the liquor and buy a bottle. Same thing will eventually happen to marijuana, and there's no way to stop it.
its a pricing out of poorer individuals. we think marijuana legalization is great and will give people a way out of poverty. in reality its big business where to get a growers license is upwards of 100k$ on top of the tax revenue and only local boards have final say on who gets the license. so those who are adversely effected by the war on drugs are exactly those who are priced out of competing with bigger companies/nonlocal organizations
If people actually looked at or up or just pretend to pay attention to things you buy we wouldn't have these problems 😉 I pay more for my weed because I like locally owned, if you don't want to pay more than big cooperation, blaming companies is a bitch way to get out of the fact it's your own fault for not buying there stuff
@@GITMachine the better alternative, is to have every transaction be voluntary. To abolish the idea of government. For, there is no government. Only men and women pointing guns at you. Telling you that you owe them money.
Grow for yourself. If you can't, push for places where you can. There is no better weed than that which you've grown yourself. If you're not free to grow for yourself, it's not legal. Licensed growing is not legalization.
I grew for 12 years in my basement. Screw the laws.
YES, the mass market doesn't know shit, they want to smoke hype.
Joe finally has his first decent guest in months.
I’d rather listen to this guy talk then listen to rappers now a days rap.
Rap is garbage. And both Fat Mike and Rogan display the intellect of a couple of chimpanzees.
You havnt looked very hard..flatbush zombies.the underachievers.denzel curry.idk.joey badass.
to be fair... he's a really good rapper too
pkramerable why watch?
@@shanosantwanos3908 and a lot more
That ain’t 100% Tegridy
As someone who lives in Ohio, the reason it didn't get legalized is because of the way they tried to institute it. If I remember right, there were only going to be 4 authorized suppliers that were all tied together. Then it started getting spread around in the local media that it would essentially be a monopoly here, which pissed off a lot of people that wanted it legalized, but not legalized that way, so they voted against it.
Damn shame, too. It pretty much boiled down to the organization that pushed for the legalization wasn't doing it because it should be legal, but because they were just trying to make people that were already millionaires even richer.
Facetentacles They are trying to do the same shit in West Virginia. Some of our lawmakers have edited the bill a whole lot better but doubtful it'll pass. WV will always be a slave state where the people can never win but outside people can rape our state and nothing changes.
@Natty Fatty Powerlifting lol that's how I feel, never been there but know a couple homies from there and my friend lived there through high school.. I'm from Tennessee but I understand Ohio is the Alabama of the north
Yeah man it was some bullshit. I wanted it legalized but couldn't bring myself to vote a pseudo monopoly into existence
ohio resident also. it wasn't a "monopoly". that law allowed homegrows. the law that kasich pushed through without a vote, doesnt allow for homegrow.
also, the new dispensary that opened in Sandusky, Oh, is selling 2.5 grams for $50. black market will thrive with those kind of legal prices
What's sad is most of these companies that lobbied against marijuana are probably the ones investing in it now.
Tremedous podcast.
Yeah but why does weed have to account for 39% of that in the whole realm of taxes especially when bigger sums of money seem to continue to go tax free in comparison to the majority average or below?
its a plant. grow it next to veggies in garden.
Are you telling me that California isn't good at letting business do what it needs to and instead adds licensing to keep smaller companies down?! That's crazy talk.
JR not only are your vlogs good but your following are even better. I enjoy reading comments, especially when they're sensible
Really enjoy listening to this guy killer Mike, 👍
Weed is called weed for a reason. It's a weed. This is not a manufactured product (like a car). In most places in the country, it can be grown at home. In my state, I can legally grow three plants in my back yard. Yet, somehow, this has still been turned into corporate profits and tax money.
cause hippie likes money too
Lol it's not like that... at all..
Sure you can grow weed at home but if you want high quality weed or some kind of extract like an edible, hash, or a tincture then it becomes a manufactured product.
@@theeccentrictripper3863 you can make those at home.....
0:17 Joe just casually rips a fart
I was initially put off by some of Killer Mike's opinions in his Netflix show, but I still respect him because he's asking real questions.
Less government, less taxes.
We have a chance here in NJ to set it up the RIGHT WAY. I’m watching the people and the process. So far, it’s a cluster f@ck with nothing productive happening. It’s a shame.
This man is a genius
shit we only got 8 growers in Florida but i'm still here. Bring it on
JacksonvilleCannabisClub JCC Morgan and Morgan
i had a talk about Ohio's medical cannabis with a cannabis lobbyist and talk about this issue where there are only a couple of distributors. the reason for the 4 for right now is because of something with the high start up cost/ insurance, something like several millions, that no local business could be started up. Also with mini farmers, in Michigan, i dont know the process there but anyone living in Michigan can grow and sell their cannabis to a distributor. The problem with that according to the lobbyist was that it would be really hard to regulate that because you dont know what people are using to grow their pot. Thats why ohio doesnt allow people to grow their own cannabis. Its easier to regulate for the highest quality of pot if we farms are there.
Alcohol in India gets taxed at 300 % in some states
Industrial Hemp, that is the real cash crop. These plants shouldn’t be legalized, just decriminalized.
Mike!!!! ♥️♥️♥️
This is happening all under trumps watch
I live in Massachusetts, the first dispensary in mass (or at least in my area, I really don’t know) opened in fall river and an ounce is over $400
That's fucking ridiculous
Yo, dis big weed...who talkin bout me?
Minnesota looks like a monopoly state for weed
Yeah I lived to see it happen.
Government fucking up commerce?Why they’d never.
This guy is gold. He should do his own politics.
KILLER MIKE 2020!!!🙏
I’d back that ticket 💯
same in chicago,,,i pay 20 a gram for flower,60 an 8th, 120 a quad, 420 an ounce,,, 70 for a gram of shatter,,,and yeah this is at a medical dispensary
KILLER MIKE FOR PRESIDENT
I work in the industry, its expensive to stay in business since it went legal in CA.
Tax everything flat.
The legalization of weed in Oregon has dropped the price dramatically. But Oregon also made it legal to grow your own plants where other states have tried to stop people from doing that and that you can only buy from them.
What Joe is talking about is the same argument states used to pass "Education Lotteries".
Wait till it’s legalized federally. Big companies will start competing with one another and produce super cheap weed. Unless just one company monopolizes it. And once these companies start making big profits they’ll lobby to get taxes down and it’ll be treated just like alcohol. We’re having this problem because it’s only legal in some states and it’s in very early stages right now. I’d rather have expensive legal weed than saving money and having a fear of being arrested.
The look on Joe Rogan says it all...But, I agree with Killer Mike. Marijuana should not be in the hands of corporations. There shouldn't be a monopoly of any sort.
No *Tegridy*
Fuck i hope its not like this in IL. I hooe its like regular crops.
In Ohio the only way to pass the leagal marijuana law is to have 2 companies grow and distribution but the people who run it where against leagal marijuana laws until now.
Killer!!!!
My mother lost her small grow.. the price dropped per pound from 2,500 dollars to 1,300 a pack in a month. And the licence to sell to dispensaries legally was 1 mill.. fucked everyone.
Virginia’s bill was for 5 companies to have a complete monopoly on the market. A small committee was in charge of approving applications and making the selection, and 3 of the 5 are from out of state. Wish we could lobby for change but there is already too many hands in the cookie jar.
Other side of the coin - consumers would rather buy product from a respectable, tested, taxed facility than Joe Bob down the road.
SHIT!!! Not if Joe Bob has a better deal
He's right on about the taxes not going where they are supposed to. It's the same scam as the Lottery. Great guest! Oh, and subscribe to my channel please!! lol
Big money talks.
HEAVY
Ha! Imagine California over taxing something without any return to its citizens. Worse... not realizing how utterly stupid it is to be surprised by that... and how stupid it is to keep voting for politicians whose careers depend on continuing the status quo. 🤪
Why killer mike sound like ice T 😂
They ran me out of buissiness
Shit.
Coca Cola gonna be your dealer yo.
Build your positions in weed companies, get in on the ground floor.
They ain takin are gunz maga
Michael Huh? I meant buy stocks in weed companies before mass legalisation and the stocks go through the roof
The bill in ohio , where it only allowed 2 monopolies to grow and sell was worded to be mistaken for the opposite. So many have said they ment to vote the other way it confused them. Look for that youll see how the corruption from the get.
There doing it right in Washington state. They're putting money into the public schools. And now have started a program, where, if you graduate from Seattle public high school, they pay for 2 years of community college. And with all the wealthy people in Washington you know all the rich kids are going to public schools.
If Mike said Cali was spending our tax dollars the "right way." Joe would have agreed with him
What about water treatment operators ?Water is most important &water treatment operators should gets same tax breaks.Wake up!
3 acres of bud for a 100? Ive grown for 3 years and states go by full grown plants mostly. If citizens were able to grow 3 acres per it would ruin the Goverments plan on taxation
Lol, wait until all you can get is government regulation weed
the people will literally never let that happen.
FlourishWitherDie Lol its a plant good fucking luck with that. What if you find a seed in your government weed. Bam.
Meh no different than when it was illegal
FlourishWitherDie theres always gonna be some shady black dude down the street growning four five plants in his mom house shet is like that in the hood there always be street dealers
Americans sniper You sound really ignorant
Been saying it since 05. Legalizing weed will screw weed smokers in the end.
If you are allowed to grow your own I think it’s great. It’s just sad to see these companies profit off of all the pain and suffering that’s been happening since 1937.
Oz. Of weed for 300? Damn... I can get that 🔥 for 175
Cannabis is still illegal if you're a smart person
check out the weed monopoly in Canada its a joke.
use to make a godly joint for $5, now its $30... fuck this shit...
Boondocks
In some possible future, Killer Mike makes a damn decent president
Amsterdam anyone!
Come to Oklahoma
have you heard of the marijuana license lottery in canada? 25 people can win a license to sell
We need to just have the government subsidize the weed market, and reap the benefits by increasing the state tax. We should run it kind of like Utah’s liquor sales except this is America we’re capitalist we will allow competition, however, the state run dispensaries should be able to have a lower price due to higher taxes. The main reason to due this is to put less regulations on growing, therefore making it not cost $10,000 just to put in application to have a reasonable farm. Pot & hemp are cash crops we need to start up in the US, but the most important part is making sure local governments & Education get the majority of the profits for funding
Is it just me or does Jammie sound like SwaggKage?
I been stop smoking weed. Those strands are no good internally. Been eating oatmeal every morning since. Phila
save seeds they will taint the weed next with additives like tobacco once they get the corporate strangle hold over us
It's finally legal and he's complaining? fuck sake wow......
How about politicians live among the people they fight for!
The Powerful People are waiting to put there people in high positions
an ounce of weed for 320$... holy shitttt.. i can get a kilogram or two of the highest quality hash for that money where I'm from.. but then again i live in the third world and would get 6 months minimum if caught.
I do t think joe can speak his true feelings because I bet he is invested or sponsored by BIG WEED
In America, if you help ppl too much it's considered Socialism which in turn leads to communism . And we can't have that, Americans would much rather see you , themselves or even their own family members suffer then to have any help from society .
They have to make the money back from court cost and probation that they would put people on in the past it's a joke
truth
WORD.
420 baby! ;)
Is joe ok here ?
He's confusing capitalism with big government
Joe dgaf about any of this now
If you want to treat marijuana like medicine then yea, you gotta make sure someone who grows out knows what the hell they're doing. Jimmy from the block isn't capable of measuring THC and CBD ratios. Sure, higher underprivileged folks to do the labour, but you can't give a dude a lab coat and expect shit is up to code now.
Lol love killer mike, but interest free loans??? Who is gonna loan out money they may not get back, without making any money on the initial loan??
grow your own.......if you cant, move somewhere you can
We should have left the weed laws the way they were
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA PAYING AN MONEY FOR WEED .
This is completely incorrect. In all the places where they allowed high quantities of growers (Oregon), the prices have fallen through the floor and now they're all much more broke than when they started (because of all the investment costs). In Oregon, you can get a pound for ~$200, in CA, it would be $2,000. It's good for the consumers, but Mike is talking about the producers, and lowering limits actually fucks the producers more than it helps. Also, with more stores open, the best stores will eventually expand and take over all the other stores, just like with supermarkets. If it becomes federally legal, companies with DEEEEEEP pockets (Coke, Marlboro...) will simply come in and buy every single competitor, get all the licenses to themselves, and then run it like a conglomerate. If you want to get rid of the black market, the price will need to be driven down low enough to not make it worth it to try to grow unlicensed. There's a reason people don't bother making\selling moonshine, because it's much cheaper and easier to walk to the liquor and buy a bottle. Same thing will eventually happen to marijuana, and there's no way to stop it.
A pound for 200 seems fucking impossible to believe
Duh. Gov. Gotta paid either for or against. No different than tobacco. Lemme get a pack of them northern lights.
👍
its a pricing out of poorer individuals. we think marijuana legalization is great and will give people a way out of poverty. in reality its big business where to get a growers license is upwards of 100k$ on top of the tax revenue and only local boards have final say on who gets the license. so those who are adversely effected by the war on drugs are exactly those who are priced out of competing with bigger companies/nonlocal organizations
Never turn your back on people who were always there.
BUT don’t KISS ASS!!!
Was Elon musk interview this long killer Mike has a 3 almost four hour interview black magic baby
Didn't we know this when they legalized marijuana or where you guys to high to notice.
He’s wrong in California I go to good shops lol but Vegas they tax like a bitch and Vegas weed ain’t as potent
If people actually looked at or up or just pretend to pay attention to things you buy we wouldn't have these problems 😉 I pay more for my weed because I like locally owned, if you don't want to pay more than big cooperation, blaming companies is a bitch way to get out of the fact it's your own fault for not buying there stuff
Statists, debating on their flavor of staism. SMH
Lol
So provide a better alternative. Don't be the guy who bitches then does nothing. What would work better, in your opinion.
@@GITMachine don't be the guy who bitches about other people bitching and does nothing about it.
@@GITMachine the better alternative, is to have every transaction be voluntary. To abolish the idea of government. For, there is no government. Only men and women pointing guns at you. Telling you that you owe them money.
@@sandlotscout6358 I see what you did there. Well played. Dickhead.