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Wing Chun: With Sifu Ben Der
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- How does Wing Chun training work? How important is lineage and what should you look for in a Wing Chun school? Today our guest is Sifu Ben Der, of San Jose Wing Chun. Sifu Ben Der gives us a glimpse at his history, training, and advice for approaching Wing Chun.
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Oh this is great! Learning a lot about Wing Chun because we get this sifu’s personal experience. I love CMA, since I started with shaolin wushu before going into Goju Ryu karate and now doing Bajiquan. I get to learn so much from all around
What a great man!! Much respect! My teacher also trained in San Jose. But he was with Kang Duk Won / Kyokushin/ Tracy's Kenpo. The San Jose area was an amazing martial arts community then.
Ben Der is great. Never met him or touched hands, but seen videos and heard stories. I have touched hands with Kenneth Cheung several times. Both these guys are great and know thier stuff and are willing to share.. They are the real dealfor some traditional Wing Chun as taught by Leung Sheung👍
You've done it again, Dan! I love Wing Chun. I have incorporated some of its concepts in my own training.
Thank you for posting this interview. I am a student of Wing Chun in this lineage.
I love these interviews! I love that you're branching out to more styles, too.
Awesome! We've got more coming and I think you guys will like them :)
SIFU BEN DER IS A LEGEND.
Awesome interview Dan Sensei! Sufi Bed Dur has a really interesting origin! I love the story about his travels from San Francisco to Tampa in 1961. I thought Tampa was a quiet City in 1993! 🤣
Sufi is in great shape for a young 81, sharp as a razor! Really cool interview! 🙏👍Osu!
GREAT INTERVIEW THANKYOU.
First off, I really appreciate some shine on Wing Chun that isn't hostile or degrading. Dude you fill a much needed Niche in the martial arts community, being acknowledgment of these arts and perspectives from those built the bridge that allows us to enjoy these systems.
His story on Ip Man brought back some memories. I had an experience were I tried to learn at a Jow Ga school and the teacher convinced me to join.... Then pawned me off on one of his students. He wasn't very personable and I felt strange asking him anything.
I left and joined a Baguazhang school with a teacher that was far more gregarious and engaging. Different strokes and all that
I really appreciate this, thank you :)
Another great bit of information. I have wanted to learn wing chun for a for a while now, but there are no local schools for me right now. However, I love the 5 elements concept, it makes a great amount of sense. I also agree with his statement about his kids' learning, I too do not give my children a choice in learning the martial arts, once they get to black(not jr, but adult) then I will allow them to stop if they want. But they need to at least get the start.
Very interesting I hadn't heard of this guy, thanks for posting 👍
Great interview, wonderful man!
I am 4th Kyu Shitō-Ryū Karate student and former student and Yellow sash in William Cheung lineage Wing Chun,
I find that if students leave their stigma at home and drop the ego, one can really learn so much from any system, if approached with an open mind.
Great interview! My favorite comment was when Sifu Ben Der said to 'research your teacher & observe a class'.
I like this.🔥 I look forward to more. 👍👍
Another good one Mr. Dan
I am grateful for this interview. I am grateful for this channel. This made the start of my day awesome. Thank You
Thank you so much! Great video.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video!
Great interview and also a deeper and wonderful insight, into one of America's outstanding, Wing Chun Kung Fu masters. Looking forward to more biographical, video segments such as this, Osu 🇲🇽🇦🇺🥋!
Thank you! Oh yes, we have quite a few more planned and a couple of new ones that have been filmed but not released yet. We're doing a diverse exploration of other arts.
@@ArtofOneDojo awesome eagerly awaiting them Sensei Dan 👍✌🤟 😎.
Wing chun works beautifully with boxing & taekwondo!👊🥊🥋☯️🇰🇷
TKD is too stiff. I think jujitsu is better. If the fight ends up on the ground.
@@clbdyc Ah yes, here we go with the whole "this style is better than that style" - any style can work if you make it work. Every system has it's purpose and uses. ✌️
Wing Chun is a complete combat system alone and perhaps the best practical, simple, direct, intelligent system of all systems, but...the practitioner must be really good at it and preferably the practitioner must have already practiced many other varied systems before coming to wing Chun. Because wing Chun isn't for beginners, it's an advanced art (like Bagua, tang Lang, xin yi, etc). A beginner can also practice wing Chun (I don't recommend) but in this case he/she must also practice other systems at the same time and test wing Chun against other systems (Leung Ting lineage wing Chun allways tests against other systems and they also don't recommend it for beginners).
Thanks
While I agree with much of what Mr. Der says, respectfully, wing Chun has both hook punches & uppercuts & they are found in Chum Kiu. Every Ip Man lineage has those movements. Wing Chun movements are not techniques, they are concepts that can be turned into techniques. Again I recommend watching Greenville Martial Arts Academy here on CZcams & view the breakdown of the sil lim tao & chum kiu forms.
Each concept has multiple applications & cannot be said to represent only this or only that.
We actually don't have those movements in Chum Kiu, those movements can be interpreted in different ways in different lineages and it's well known Yip Man changed things over time. Leung Sheung lineage training reflects the way Yip Man taught in the late 40s and early 50s. What you call an uppercut is not a strike for us at all, the movement is done differently and has a different purpose.
I've heard people say one movement in Biu Ji is a hook (though we'd also disagree with that) but not in Chum Kiu; which movement are you referring to there?
@@ISZAudio I agree, as I stated, the moves are concepts of attack & defense not techniques. As an example, tan sao is representative of an inside hand that the opponent's arm is on top of. By shooting the tan sao hand to the shoulder, it spreads out the attacker's force which is exactly why tan sao is called "spreading hand". However, tan sao does not have to look exactly like the prototypical palm up move, it can be palm down for example. As long as it fulfills the requirements of "spreading", is elbow down, & is the inside hand, the concept is tan sao.
The hook punch in wing chun is the double lan sao in chum kiu with the waist turn. Again, it's not JUST a hook punch, it's a concept that techniques can be derived from. It can be a back elbow, it can be a pull, it can be a hook punch, a throw or several other things. The concept is teaching you to use waist power when using hand techniques. It's actually quite brilliant. The uppercut is in the middle section of chum kiu where the bong sao is repeated three times. Again, concepts, not techniques, there's a lot more stuff in those forms that people realize. There is stuff for chin na & shuai jiao as well. All complete Chinese martial arts have 4 areas of study: Ti (kicking), Kuen (hand techniques), Na (joint locks, pressure point attacks, muscle & tendon ripping, etc.) & wrestling ( I forget the Chinese term). People vastly misunderstand & misapply Chinese martial arts because they were almost completely wiped out several times by the various factions that controlled China. Any country that has constant warfare for thousands of years is going to develop very scientific & lethal ways to win.
@@realherbalism1017 fair enough! I would say the uppercut there is more surface level, but the chin na application is what you get when you deep dive. As for the hook, I feel like throwing hooks kind of goes against the structural core of wing chun, but the turning laan sau is definitely the prototypical paai zhaang (slicing elbow) so I agree with your interpretation of rotational movement; that said, the rotation should come from the knee not the waist. Remember, body and horse together as one. The knee drives that turn, not the waist, which is what sets our rotational force apart from boxing and the like.
Great video on Wing Chun : I hope to see some more different Kung Fu systems like Choy Lay Fut , Sil Lum and Hung Gar systems and maybe some systems that kinda resembles Karate systems
Yes, we will definitely be reaching out to more Chinese arts. SO far these interviews have been an experiment to see how our viewers respond to them, and so far the response is positive.
Real Sifu!
Hey could you do a video talking about “Goshin Ryu jiujitsu” Thanks!
thank you, Sensei Daniel!!🙏🏽🙏🏽 I love chinese martial arts they are deep and romantic. Seeing a class mate of Bruce Lee is even more exciting and beautiful to see.
Great interview! I am curious though, are you only going to do videos on Hong Kong Wing Chun, or are you going to get into other lineages like Red Boat, Black Flag, Foshan, and Thai Wing Chun?
The goal is to eventually have more lineages speak. We're been trying a new experiment this year....people seem to love our art history related material, but producing the "History Of" documentaries take a LOT of time. We figured we could cast a wider net and be more inclusive if we started doing interviews with people from different arts. So far people seem to like it and we'll definitely be circling back to more lineages and other versions of arts, just trying to get some diversity in the content out there. We have a lot more coming too :)
@@ArtofOneDojo Can't wait!!
The words "sometimes divided" are a major understatement. I've been studying wing chun on and off for 15 years. And we can't even agree on the NAME of the martial art. Wing chun is toxic
Ive only expiered that online never in real life.
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Tried to contact the San Hose group via email and FB. Months later no response. If anyone knows how to contact.
Ok, so I reached out to a friend of mine who trains there and he said that this link has the days and times of training, and if you're interested to please show up at one of those times and you'll be able to ask for more info about classes. www.sanjosewingchun.com/
@@ArtofOneDojo very kind of you to respond. As I would be flying in from overseas ((not just for wing chum) I thought I better reach out ahead of time rather than turn up randomly. Was hoping for a private class. I tried the email and Facebook no responses. Thanks again.
@@pascal0868 It's a pretty close and friendly group. Showing up to a class might be good to at least observe and I'm sure you could talk to them about arranging any private lessons. I'm not sure why you aren't getting a reply through online attempts so I apologize for that.
@@pascal0868I'm a student of Ben's. It really is just a case of showing up. The Facebook and emails are unfortunately pretty much unmonitored, I'm not sure which of my sihing maintains them.
Your best bet is to just show up during a class time. Sifu doesn't really do private lessons with new students, it took a few years before I could ask for them.
Wing Chun in the bay area isn’t how it used to be. We used to have WC competition in the bay area every year in SF but that was 30 years ago. Ben and Ken was alot younger and alot of active schools in the area including Hoover Chan. The younger generation aren’t as serious anymore.
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Ben Der, Dan Dat.
Good interview. Full respect to you and the Sifu. Unfortunately the Sifu is obviously quite up in years and due to this he made many mistakes when explaining his art, which was very sad to see. I’m sure if you had interviewed him ten years ago he would have explained the system very differently. If you want good knowledge and insight and information on Wing Chun and Chinese Systems you should get in touch with your fellow countrymen Alex Rikter aka KFG The Kung Fu Genius. His Podcast is quite informative and his information is usually spot on. Your Channel is also very good and I find you too usually get things correct. Respect, Bless 🙏🏼
Pretty sure Alex would tell you not to disrespect someone who's been doing the art longer than any of us have been alive. Leung Sheung lineage approach is different than Leung Ting lineage approach. It doesn't mean either is wrong.
@@ISZAudio I don’t follow either of them lineages and I wasn’t disrespecting anyone. The only reason I suggested Alex is because he is pretty good with WCK info. Unfortunately the elderly Sifu made some mistakes when explaining his art and his age was showing big time. Anyone with good WCK knowledge would say the same. Sorry if I touched a nerve
@@1stMartialSageUnderHeaven what mistakes exactly? Sounds pretty solid theory wise to me.
@@ISZAudio I really can’t be bothered to explain. Go study WCK and combat and discover for yourself
@@1stMartialSageUnderHeaven been studying for quite some time. You make an explicit claim insulting someone who's been doing this since 1958, and then "can't be bothered" to explain? More like don't know anything.
Wing-Chun is to clean for true combat situations. It has only Hypothesis and laboratory type environments. The only way it works.