Roland MC-909 Groovebox: Indie-Pop Dream or Outdated? (featuring Moon of Vega)
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2022
- the artist "moon of vega" shows us around his Roland MC-909, and we discuss its faults and favors.
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This machine was used to score Kill Bill and create countless hits in hip-hop, r&b and techno/trance.
i wish my brother didn't live on the other side of the country or i'd borrow it more often lol
I own one, and I bought it because we live in a time where subscriptions are taking over. With hardware, I’ll always be able to make music without paying for it. Also the fact that it’s a rare machine to find. Your brother should never sell it, the value is only going up.
i hate subscriptions so much, with few exceptions, and totally agree 🙌@@LGas31
Yeo, Wu tang, black ete'd peas etc
I love the Roland MC-909 Groovebox and only people who read the manual can really grasp the machine. moon of vega your sitting on a very powerful machine.
agreed 🙏🏻🙌🏻
This is actually a pretty solid machine. The bits on the left side can be used on drum sounds as well. You can modify any sound on it. In fact, I'd recommend it since many of the preset patches are not really something you'd want to use. But a little tweaking here and there and you have some really crazy cool stuff from this machine. It's true that Roland's grooveboxes can be a little bit unintuitive at first but if you read the manual whenever you're stuck you can totally learn these things inside out fairly quickly. Everything is modifiable. Run a drum beat through the arpeggiator for truly crazy stuff. The only thing I don't like about the 909 is the pads. I get why Roland wanted something more velocity sensitive vs the older groovboxes which hard keys but these pads have failed over the years and now they will trigger multiple times with one press. These machines really need an external midi keyboard these days because of this. I do agree that this machine was basically made obsolete right after it came out. So many DAWs were really taking off around this time so the idea of one box to do drums, synths and sequencing (and in this case, even sampling) just seemed a little "yesterday". I've used the 303, 505 and 909 very extensively and prefer the 505. The 303 is fun but can be overwhelmed sometimes with too much programming and start to glitch out and drop notes. The only bad thing I can say about the 505 was the craptastic ribbon cable on the screen. These machines are still fun to mess around with today and really don't require you to master them to get any utility out of them. Just pick the functions you care about and ignore everything else. Good times!
The MIDI piano roll on the calculator LCD screen was surprising! You really have to love and be familiar with a piece of gear like that to get the sweet stuff.
yes lots to unpack and not super easy (the wheel to scroll through huge menus)
Its an amazing machine, I got it back in 2003, an still use it. patience is a virtue
if i had one in my hands it would be amazing to figure out 🙏🏻🙌🏻
RZA from Wu-tang used the 909 for the Afro-Samurai soundtrack and Kill Bill if I remember correctly
if you have the patience, it's very cool. thanks for watching!
There are NO problems with the menus. I have this apparatus right now in front of me and it took two days to learn it and it is fun to use. What I cannot say about the freaking MV-8800 !
I love my MC909 :) Must be so great to have a brother that's into making music too. Your channel is awesome man
thank you that's very kind!
whoa this thing sounds cool
it’s got some vibe fer shure
I like it, is the Roland Mc-707 ancestor and I love that machine. The 909 was ahead of its time in many ways.
very interesting time period in music tech...
Thanks!
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THUMBS UP NOW ..YOU DUDE'S ARE HAVING FUN....
That glass table was putting in overtime lol That machine is HUMONGOUS!
bahahahha
You gotta master that Shit+Wheel+Tap hand work lol I have been producing with a Grooveboc (Roland MC-808) and you have no idea how much I would have LOVED work with this!!!
yo thanks for watching! I would love to see you work on this too!
Was wondering if this was the unit used by Peaches and MIA, but quick google check and that was the simpler MC505
I've never seen any other "groovebox" and not too eager hahaha
Yup they both used the Roland MC505 which was arguably the most dynamic of the groove box line. I bought one because of M.I.A. and loved the sounds of her 1st record Arular which was widely used during its production
Talented family! Grooveboxes are fun.
thank you so much! I've seen them in hands of folks who really know them, then I get inspired. But when I sit down at one, I get sad hahaha
I personally have an MC-505 that belonged to my paternal Uncle. I disagree with the notion of it soundind "outdated or unusable sounds".
But I agree with the phrase "work with what you have got" the MC-505 was a gift so can't complain but I tend to use it like a sound module
or a drum machine as it has midi. The one good thing about the sound pallatte is that many of these sounds are from SRJV expansion boards
like Hip Hop and Vintage Synth so at least I don't have to hunt down those cards for my JV-1080 ( which is most likely what Destiny's Child's
producer would have used, that or a JV-2080 ). But I managed to do more modern chart song covers using my MC-505 from the last decade,
it's possible to cover anything produced by Calvin Harris entirely on a groovebox without it even sounding "cheesy or dated".
in the hands of someone who knows the ins and outs, it's an amazing machine
I have always wanted one
I'm brand new subscriber from Australia!...you are teaching me heaps
ahh that's wonderful to hear! reach out anytime with questions and have fun! I have cousins in the Gold Coast and have never visited 😭
Could you please do a video on how to bounce down tracks on your reel to reel....I really need to know how to do this. I actually have the same machine as yours .cheers mick
This is an incredibly deep machine, I have the 505 and it can do quite a lot.
You're on my top favourite channels
that means a lot thank you 🙏
Great machine..at least you dont hide the size of your pupils...😊
Best groovebox ever made
Hands down!
FYI: RZA scored the Blade Trinity movie as well as Kill Bill... Source: czcams.com/video/BkeCHZpdX8M/video.html
have you guys tried the rs7000?
i have not! Just looked it up, similar era. I personally totally missed out on grooveboxes (was so focused on bass). thanks for sharing!
Cute vid...not much meat on the mc909 part though, but will most likely get one myself sooner or later, I believe it's extremely capable, albeit the mc505 may sound better or just more lo fi? Loved the soaked track and dope bassline, the bass chorus reminded me a bit of some early 2000's house tunes...
get inspired! have fun! 🙏🤘
glad you dug my brothers tune 🙏
Everyone is so "oh 808 hes really kickin it" Whereas there are many nice sounds...I use a lot of roland..."numbers" 303's.
I like the thought of workstations and limitations.
I'll be back later to see this.
So I might be a fan of your brother.
Tame Impala guy is uber...
Do you like King Gizzard and the Lizzard Wizard.
Quite a minblowing band.
Ill be back to check it out and the comments later.
Looks like a great video.
i hear you! i love the 505 sounds 😂
King Gizzard is amazing and it was my brother who introduced me to that band
You can also change the frequency of the metronome with the arrows and generally use it instead of the wheel.
And if you install an 05 expansion board, then increase the banks of instruments, especially drums, since out of 13 boards, this card was created for ms909.
he also has a great panorol and the same section for drums, so you can write everything just like on a regular DAW. The 909 has very good compressors and effects that work and sound really good.
my brother lives across the country! If I had this in my possession I'd love to get into the weeds with it, it's a very cool tool. Thank you for sharing!
@@MadeOnTape You are always welcome!! I love this instrument so far, and so does the MV8800. The MC 909 uses the same SRX waveform expansion cards as the Phantom series synthesizer. But what is interesting is that access to the entire collection of sounds of card 05 is possible only on ms909. I have a large collection of instruments in my library, especially keyboard workstations and synths. It's a pity that I live too far away from you otherwise I could provide you with tools for your videos. And yes you have a great channel!!
PS.I will clarify in general the expansion boards are not 13, but 12.
I’ll also add that RAM can be up to 272 mb, but I use 512 and it sees and works perfectly with it, although some people claimed that they sometimes have bugs, but I personally haven’t had more than 10 problems for many years.
Roland MC-909 was used by hip hop producer RZA while working on es and Kill Bill. Another artist using the Roland MC-909 is Switchf keyboardist Jerome Fontamillas for live setups.
@@Niko-ds6wiI had 909 about 15 years ago and I still remember it. The effects are real, reverb has spaciness , lo fi is crunchy and compressor has punch. Now I’m with the 8800 and I feel like 8800 is harder to learn and it is an overkill for my needs.
@@juravhs3848 I also have an MB8800
is this the roland groovebox that glitches when it goes from one pattern/part/section to another?
i'll have to ask my brother!
@@MadeOnTape it is.
Wasn't that fixed in a firmware update?
You okay mate?...I got health issues myself...but hope you're well.
I agree on cymbals...especially crash cymbals. Ride can sound ok.
hey thanks for checking in! my health is fine: I've been on holiday with family and hadn't "batched" any videos... NYC has gotten crazy busy again. hope you're well!
New sub here I think I want a 909 now
thanks for that! it’s a crazy cool machine 🤘
Great video!! He's definitely your brother!!! You guys must have a good time 👍🏻🤣
💯 i wouldn’t be a musician if not for him, the trailblazer
@@MadeOnTape The OG!!! 🙌🏻🔥
Evidently it was used to create the entire Kill Bill soundtrack.
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when this line of products came out, an 808 was already 1K$ if you could even find one. 1K for an 808 seems like a pittance today but in the late 90s it was a princely sum to have on hand in case a rare 808 sale crossed your path. So, despite the cheap look and feel 90s Roland, their marketing promised a kind of all-in-one digital version of a 808/909/303, with MIDI, for $500. When you actually put them through the paces, turns out they're mostly just Romplers with extremely low quality digital filters, terrible MIDI spec, and very poor external connectivity. By contrast, the devices Korg released, like the ER-9, were forward looking inexpensive digital synths/rhythm programmers with X0X grids and professional features.
great insight! thanks for sharing 🙏
they should get the nay sayers to try and design one... then they will appreciate it.
I want a mc 909 soooo bad..... heck even a mc808 would do.....but dont know if they are worth the money over a new mc707 or one of the many other "grooveboxes" out there for the same price as a used one of these
i'm putting out good vibes that you'll acquire one! thanks for watching!
Never realised you have a fro! 😃
some days it's flat and frumpy hahaha. Arizona was good for my hair, nice and dry
I've just started to check out this baby (owned 30+ synth)...the hardware is impressing...but the sound is not, I don't know what Roland did to it, it sounds tired and outdated. (Listened to HD sound videos on YT) I like the interface though, this is how a groovebox should look like, with pots, mixig faders and a nice big display. Peace
it's wild!
@@MadeOnTape
As a synth nerd I would have liked to test it live anyway, for a while, to hear it properly. I really like the amazing inteface though, they could have used it later on, with different and improved synth engines. Thanks for the video!
Hi, quantize only ?????
Seems Roland is plagued with their bad choices of what proper dimensions for their gear' s interfaces should be. The boutique line of vintage synth recreation products is fine example is of that, my U1 rack space fantom XR full blown sampler is another
ahhh yes, the awkwardly tiny boutique line, yes? I havent gotten my hands on one to see...
I think the mc909 has proper dimensions for the amount of buttons, sliders, knobs and lcd size.
HOOK IT UP TO A KEYBOARD CONTROLLER..AND PLAY REAL STUFF
excellent suggestion, thank you! 🤘
You young guys don't know what you are doing.....I made realistic music with the MC909...IT IS AN ALL IN ONE STUDIO AND IT CAN MASTER YOUR MIX YOUR MUSIC..
WHEN WE DO REVIEWS WE SHOULD KNOW
HOW TO USE THE EQUIPMENT...
I MASTERED THIS ...I HAVE A FEW VIDEOS
ON CZcams WITH THIS...
BABY BOYS STOP CRYING....
I hope that you find healing in whatever it is that compels you to verbally lash out. peace and goodwill, my brother ✌️
@@MadeOnTape It was probably when buddy said the Turntable Emulation was the only redeeming feature and the synth sounds suck, when it looks like he doesn't even know how to program envelopes or understand the sound design side of things at all.
OUTDATED... please.
if i said that word i do apologize
it’s as outdated as a guitar, which is to say: not
A great tool if you know how to use it, I still have it in my studio.
I also have 9 is 13 tone expansion boards. it also connects to a PC and can be adjusted through it; there is a special software.
amazing! thanks for sharing watching!